User talk:WikiWikiWayne/Archive 11

Trajan
I've been making some edits to Trajan, mostly in the Trajan section, and I just noticed that, when looking at the section in regular view, when an en-dash ends at the end of a line, the next line appears slightly indented from the left margin. I don't think it should look like that. Is there anything you can do to tweak the snds template so that doesn't happen? – Corinne (talk) 02:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . Hmmm. For that instance, try the template. It puts a normal space after the en dash instead of a non-breaking space. Cheers!   08:18, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * O.K. Thanks. – Corinne (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I just changed three in that section to the snd template, then saved. When I looked at it, I saw one still shows a slight indentation at the left margin. I wonder if it is because the en-dash follows a reference number. It's reference #157. Can you take a look at it? If the en-dashes in that section do not end at the end of a line, try increasing the resolution until at least one does. – Corinne (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Using Ctrl + +, I increased the resolution in steps all the way up to 300% which is where the page started to overlap itself. I got some resolution steps to show en dashes that were at the end of a line but none of the end-line en dashes caused hanging indents of sentences starting on the next line.
 * I then used Ctrl + 0 (that is a zero, not a cap Oh) to return my screen back to default resolution.
 * I did notice 3 inline spaced hyphens and replaced them with snds, and I noticed one missing space after a reference and before the beginning of the next sentence as seen.
 * Maybe in this case the solution is to move ref-157 to the end of the sentence, right before ref-158. Putting too many refs inline within a sentence is not the best form; usually best to hang them on the end of sentences, or better yet on the end of paragraphs. Cheers!   21:36, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Planned Parenthood
The article Planned Parenthood you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Planned Parenthood for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Casliber -- Casliber (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hallin
Some edits has changed the article about Margareta Hallin drastically. Take a look :)--BabbaQ (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . How do you feel about the recent constant re-addition of "citation needed" tags to her article? Cheers!  15:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, please don't template me, talk to me. As I have stated clearly, each cn has been added to items that are not verified by the Swedish Wikipedia.  I have checked each Swedish Wikipedia article and each source therein.  If you would like to do the same before providing me with an incorrect and templated warning in future, that would be great.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:35, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Budapest
Hello, Checkingfax -- Are wiki-links allowed in a "cite ref" reference template? See  edit to Budapest. – Corinne (talk) 02:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi .I generally see that with publisher= or with works=, as done later in the reference. WP:Checklinks frequently delinks them but despite my inquiries the Checklinks developer has never explained his rationale to me. I will ask around. Cheers!  02:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . I poked around and found the answer: Template:Citation


 * Do not wikilink author= (or last=, or first=). Use the  parameter instead. If no such parameter exists, try adding one, doing a preview, and see if it renders properly in the References section. That link I gave you is to the "citation" template. The "citation" template is a general stretch to fit citation template that adapts on the fly to the parameters you use with it. I just checked "cite book" and it does support an author-link= parameter. If you need more than one, you can go to author-link2, author-link3, author-link4, and so on. I have gone up to author12=, but I have never used author-link at all. Alternatively, you can start out with author-link1 and go from there. So on Budapest remove the four square brackets to delink the author name, but leave the author name there, then add an author-link= or author-link1= (plus a vertical bar to separate it) and then wikilink that one (I think). Maybe try it without wikilinking it and see if the cite book template wikilinks it automatically? Cheers!   05:18, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

March 2016
Re this edit: Looking back, I do think that the edit summary is a bit rubbish, but as a general rule users should not edit a page simply to alter WP:ENGVAR.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:07, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Article
Please take a look at the article about Frans Jeppsson Wall. Appreciate it :)BabbaQ (talk) 19:22, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, . I made some minor edits, created a few redirects, and tidied up a disambiguation page he was on. Cheers!

Duplicate accessdate
can you fix [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marie_Curie&diff=prev&oldid=710174816 the massive number of duplicate accessdate parameters] your script is adding? the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marie_Curie&type=revision&diff=710283960&oldid=710174816 bot is working hard] to clean up after you. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . I do not know how to fix it. WP:Checklinks is an official user Gadget that has a pretty good record. However, in this edit Checklinks set 80 accessdates when its edit summary declared only 8. I always do a Changes run on each run of Checklinks and I noticed this bug so I reported it immediately to VPT here but I did not hear back yet. I did not report it to the developer directly because s/he never reacts to direct reports from me and I thought VPT might fix it sooner than Dispenser would. I pinged Dispenser in this convo so now s/he knows. Cheers!   21:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

TAFI
Have you visited the WP:TAFINOM page lately? It looks like nothing is happening there. – Corinne (talk) 03:43, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . I successfully promoted a couple and approved them for the holding area. I also voted Support on a few. The next three articles coming up from the holding area look pretty good. I wish you knew more about adding references so you could add more content to TAFI articles in addition to your spot-on TAFI copy-edits.


 * To start in baby steps if it is a URL you are using as a reference just put up a bare URL between ref tags and then somebody can fill the rest in later or you can use reFill or Reflinks to fill them in. There is no requirement for references to be filled in but it helps prevent "linkrot". So, a simple reference is just: Just hang it on the end of your contribution with no space between your contribution and the reference, and put any sentence or paragraph punctuation before the ref, not after it. If you get it wrong, a bot or another editor will fix it before long. Cheers!   08:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Maybe I'll search for something I could add to an article and try it. – Corinne (talk) 14:28, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Good morning, . If it is a book or journal you can just do:
 * Cheers!  14:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Apostrophe templates
Checkingfax, I thought I'd move the apostrophe template and bolding discussion out of the Planned Parenthood DYK nomination, since we it was starting to get in the way there.

I just took a look at the documentation for the various templates, and it appears that the and  templates have been merged into the latter, which is now supposed to be used after both bold and italic (and presumably bold italic) text. According to the documentation, the and  work the same in terms of spacing (both are 0.1em wide), so I can't see any reason why they should not be used interchangeably. Whatever they used to be, the text says there is no longer any differentiation in their use following bold and italic text.

I do agree that the DYK guidelines should be updated to reflect these changes, rather than continue to ask for or  after bold and  or  after bold italic, when the latter two can be used after both and the former two are now superseded. However, the DYK guidelines, WP:DYKSG, show that the possessive portion is not supposed to be bolded or italicized. I fail to see anything in MOS:BOLD that would contradict this; indeed, it doesn't address hooks at all, and only refers to bolding in the context of articles, where its use is highly restricted. There don't seem to be any MOS guidelines for the main page.

This should be brought up at the DYK talk page: first, that there need to be changes to C7, and second, if you wish to argue for the change to extend beyond the template usage to whether the apostrophe-s should be in the same font as bold link before it (or even if it should be included in the link). Any change to the status quo (C7) should be discussed, so that the DYK community is aware of the issues and can say how it wishes hook formatting to be done going forward. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thank you for nudging the PP DYK along.


 * If you refactored the DYK, please put it back, as the other editor was modifying hooks with the template, so the discussion of how to use that template is germane to the PP hook discussion.


 * I am saddened that the main page, article space, and DYK all have a different MoS. It is not logical to my Vulcan mind. I noted on the Signpost that they were improperly using pull quotes and they replied "the Signpost has its own MoS and that is the way we do it". This came from the top. However, I note that the past two issues of the Signpost no longer improperly use pull quotes. There is hope for DYK and the main page. Cheers!  20:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Accessdate
You added it 4 times to some refs? And books do not need an accessdate. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * . Read the dummy-edit that follows that edit for an explanation. Already reported to the developer and to Village Pump Technical. 13 days ago it laid down 80 dates instead of 8. LOL. Cheers!  12:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Books are static published sources. Access date does not add anything. Especially not four of them for one book. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * . With all due respect, books with URLs are not static. They are subject to link rot just like any other URL is. The four accessdate thing will be dealt with by the dev team. Have some patients. Cheers!  13:03, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The book is static. I guess the url is not. Use the tool when it works properly. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 13:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Yeah. The tool worked fine for years. Then 13 days ago it went bonkers so I reported it to Dev and VPT and it got better. Now it is bonkers again. Cheers!  13:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Have fixed the dead links using internet archives. Rather than tagging dead links it is nicer just to add an archive link IMO. I am not seeing errors from a lack of access dates. But you were saying these were soft errors so they do not show? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 13:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi.


 * URL + accessdate = no errors


 * no URL + accessdate = error


 * If you cite a book but do not include a URL, do not include an accessdate.


 * If you cite a book and include a URL, do include an accessdate so the URL can be recovered easier if it rots out.


 * I always archive dead links but you asked me to stop on articles that you work on. We agreed that I would tag them as dead and then you could archive them. Cyberbot678 is doing a pretty good job of recovering dead links. Hitting about an 80% archive success rate (archiving to a live archive), so now I just tag all pages dead and let the bot find the archives. When you add archived versions do you add the archive date too? Archiving more than about five dead links by hand is tedious to do it right. Cheers!  13:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay will do going forwards :-)
 * Yes have added the archive dates. And yes it is tedious.
 * Does the tool you use also archive automatically? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 15:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . The tool WP:Checklinks by automatically finds the dead links (with a very low rate of false positives) and lists all the page links on an output page with each link four different ways. The totally dead ones are tagged red and on the far left they have a deeper red portion. These are the ones that need to be archived.


 * At this point Checklinks becomes a helper if you choose to fix the dead links (otherwise if you save you changes it will just tag them as dead links). You have to proceed manually at this point, but Checklinks makes the archive process less tedious.


 * I have found starting at the BOTTOM of the Checklinks report is easiest, and work your way up.


 * Below each dead link there is a [+] sign to expand the details about the dead link.


 * To the right of each detail box there is a browser frame that shows you the dead links actual web page.


 * You go back to the left side of the screen and click on Wayback and now the browser frame shows you the Wayback page for the dead link. You RIGHT-CLICK (on a PC) on the Wayback year you want to check (I start with a year near the date of the dead link). Then you pick dates until you find a live archive (many are archives of 404 pages). Do you check to make the page you are archiving is not 404 or that it is germane and not an off-topic page? I used to pick the latest archive version and use that but then found by double checking that many archived versions are 404 or off-topic (worthless).


 * You copy the archive URL and memorize the archive date then go back to Checklinks and paste the data into the replacement text box in the germane dead link information area.


 * The format I use for pasting into the box is:


 * I work my way up the Checklinks output page link by link (pressing the [+] next to each deep red link. As I pass an ACCESSDATE button I press it and enter an accessdate in the text box.


 * Then I go to the top of page and save the changes and a python script merges all edits into the article page. At this point there is cleanup of the archive links inserted, depending on the citation style they hang on. For curly brace citations you have to remove the two extra curlys that ended the existing citation template. If the archive link hangs on a plain link style citation you have to remove all curlys.


 * This process, although still tedious, is much easier and more uniform than finding and replacing dead links manually.


 * As 's bot gets more accurate will will just be able to run Checklinks, enter the accessdates for URLs, press the save changes button and let the cyber678bot find and insert the URLs (it finds ones that I cannot find, but it also posts 404 and off-topic archives too).


 * If Cyberpower678 and Dispenser were to directly join forces they would have a Mac Daddy tool for us. In summary, Checklinks is a semi-automated helper tool, or if done quickly it is totally automated. Or, there is a midpoint helper if it is used to quickly insert accessdates. Cheers!  23:15, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually I've already tried that and for reasons that are too long to type out, because I'm lazy and likely to lose power soon, we can't. That being said Cyberbot II 5a has been initiated over at WP:BRFA which will allow Cyberbot to check the links on it's own, and rescue them on the spot, or tag them if it can't.  Also, since I am working in combination with the Community Tech Team on this, we are planning on creating an easy to use interface, for calling Cyberbot on specific articles, with specific user settable rules, as well as manage Cyberbot's internal DB.  Theoretically it would be better than checklinks.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 00:20, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi (with cc to ). Thank you for the speedy reply. Your signature here is causing my text highlighting in wikEd to show my typing here in all bold. What is causing that?


 * I do not understand what you meant by "Actually I've already tried that ...". Tried what? My post was long.


 * I am amazed that Cyberbot II has found archives that I could not. So, I have stopped using the dead link fixer helper within Checklinks at all—‌unless there are only a few dead links to archive.


 * What about the 404 (or non-germane) archived links that Cyberbot II inserts? One day, Cyberbot II missed 6 of 6. At least when I insert archives manually I can do a pre-check to make sure the link is not 404 and that it is a germane archive. Sometimes the archived version is a later version of the page needed. This is worthless What kind of power are you losing? Cheers!   00:41, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've tried teaming up with Dispenser. Cyberbot is suffering from a mildly corrupt DB as a result of a bug with the Wayback API.  The DB now contains some bad data.  We are working on cleaning up the corruption. In short Cyberbot's accuracy should slowly be getting better soon.  We are suffering from intermittent power failures.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 00:47, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi (with cc to ). Thank you for another prompt reply. I really appreciate it. What is the issue with your custom signature?

Where is the power out? You mean at your place or at WMF?

I am looking forward to the improvements in Cyberbot.

I forgot to mention I really like the extra features that Checklinks encompasses like: choice to add accessdates to citations with URLs that are lacking them, fixing/adding square brackets to plain text citations, fixing page number parameter mismatches like pages=5 or page=345–401, running common fixes that repair wikitable issues and deprecated values (plus other common fixes), removing unneeded DEFAULTSORT:, and other fixes and I cannot recall off the top of my head. Checklinks really cleans things up that would be tedious for the average editor to address.

Currently, does Cyberbot just go after pages that are tagged with dead links by others? Or, does Cyberbot proactively find dead links in the wild? Cheers! 01:02, 29 March 2016 (UTC) Hi. Checklinks no longer seems to be vexed about adding access-dates. Checklinks is an easy way to add access-dates: you run Checklinks, click on each "add accessdate" button, enter an access-date and work your way up or down the list (I work bottom to top because of the way Checklinks expands frames), and then go to the top of the page and save your changes. Preview things to make sure it has not done anything wrong, and then save your article page edits. To speed things up I copy the first access-date to my clipboard, then paste it in to the remaining ones that need access-dates. Cheers! 20:05, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * For adding access dates generally or for adding access dates for the archive links? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:20, 31 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . The Checklinks results page tags all the articles that have URLs but are lacking accessdates. It does this by adding an button near each URL on the results page. You have to fill in the accessdates manually in a box, but then Checklinks merges them to hang on the proper link when you save your changes in Checklinks. After the Checklinks page is save, then your stand Diff/edit window opens up for the article, showing you the proposed changes. Cheers!   22:02, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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Your welcome message to me
Thank you for the informational message! I hope I'm doing this right. It was a pleasure meeting you today, and I'm sure I'll see you around the site. Loreen.Ruiz (talk) 02:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . You are welcome. You are doing great. Perfect. I got your message. I will enjoy seeing you around the site too, but with Special:Statistics articles on the English Wikipedia it can be hard to bump into each other.


 * It is customary to reply to messages in the same place where you read the message, and the Wiki way is to indent your talk page reply to the message you are replying to (some editors use colon indent, some use asterisk indent). I always mess up the indent. If you do a paragraph break in your reply, you have to keep adding the indent colon. Replying where you see a message keeps everything in one place. The Wiki coders are working on a new system called Flow that will not require all this. You can also start a new message on your talk page, and ping others to it, or you can start a message on somebody else's talk page and ping others to the conversation as well. If you want to mention somebody and link to their user page but you do not want to ping them, you can use the template (e.g.- ). It will render like this:


 * Also, when you reply to a message, it is helpful to the person you are replying to or to ping the people that are included in the reply or message. In this case you were on my talk page so the ping to me is automatic. If you forget to ping somebody, you cannot add your ping after the fact; very frustrating. You have to append a new mini-message with a fresh ping. (and with a fresh four-tilde signature). Also, pings require a signature, and you cannot insert that after the fact either. I make this mistake almost daily! Flow will address this too. Certain editors do not want Flow! The ping template allows you to ping 7 users within one template. I find the  style ping template to be prettier, but it limits me to pinging one editor per template. Sometimes I use the  template. That one is weird because you put the first sentence of your message in the ping. Click on these blue links for each template to see their parameters. Ignore the   that shows up in the source code: I am using that so I can illustrate the template to you without invoking it. If you ping somebody on their talk page, no harm will be done, and they will still receive the ping. Another thing I forget is that the   template includes a trailing colon, whereas with the   template I have to add the desired punctuation. I was raised that the colon is for business letters and I feel it is too formal and not personal enough. I also dislike the leading   sign the ping template generates—‌it is a legacy thing. Do an edit-source of my reply to you here, and you can see how I pinged you, how I indented, and how I linked to other editors without pinging them. If you want to ping a group and use one template, you can do it like this:  (up to seven total per template, with up 50 pings in total per message—‌by using multiple templates within the message).


 * The Teahouse is a great place to ask questions because a lot of experienced editors have their eyeballs on incoming questions, and they all add their 2-cents to any questions and answers.


 * When doing research you may find the Wikipedia reference desk handy.


 * For real-time interaction you can start your own IRC channel for Nueva. There are also many existing Wikimedia IRC channels (note this list is hosted on Wikimedia, not on Wikipedia) that are topic oriented. Your IRC channel does not have to be registered or listed to be used for Wikipedia.


 * When you are logged in and you visit an article, Wikimedia page, help page, user page, talk page, etc. there is a small white star near the top of each page. Clicking on that white star will turn the little star blue and the page will be added to your Watchlist. I have 10,000 on mine. I do not suggest that many as the cleanup is tedious, although you can get pages off your watchlist by clicking on the blue star and turning it back to white, or you can edit your watchlist in various ways.


 * Here is my MoS tip for the day: Pick the spaced-endash or unspaced-emdash, and use one or the other consistently within an article. Both are tolerated, but for harmony one style should be picked throughout.


 * To launch your user page or to add to it, you might enjoy adding one of the nine various Tip-of-the-Day templates and you will automatically be served with a new, helpful Wikipedia tip each day. It is easy to add: Copy and paste the template code onto your user page (from edit source mode).


 * If you always Preview your edits on Wiki you can avoid a lot of unintended output. Consider using the #nueva hashtag in any of your Nueva related edits. I have added a lot of wikilinks to this reply, and hopefully they help you on your exciting Wikipedia journey. I hope I have not bored you. I apologize for any typos or grammar issues in this reply. Reply back if you spot any. See you around the Wikis. Cheers!  05:52, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Battle of the Mareth Line 2
I was just looking at the latest edits to Battle of the Mareth Line. There has been quite a bit of back-and-forth editing lately. I was just looking at the revision history and saw that one of my edits had been reverted a while back. I suppose I saw it then, but had forgotten about it. It's edit. (Hope I formulated the diff correctly.) I prefer words to numbers, so had changed 4-1/2 to four and a half in the lead. It was reverted with an edit summary saying simply "Briteng". Can you tell me (a) what "Briteng" has to do with writing out a fraction or not, and (b) what you think of using a fraction, especially in a lead, and in an article which is not a science or math topic. – Corinne (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I just saw that there is another section on this article above in which I asked the same question. (Feel free to combine the comments.) I'm still not clear whether the fraction (in numbers) should be there. – Corinne (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I will jump around. For percentages, I never use, I always spell it out. For conversions, I spell out the first use of a unit in the body. For United States, I spell out the first use, then go to U.S., but if U.S. would be near say Soviet Union, I spell out United States so they have the same stature. I think for fractions, which I have never really run into, I would always spell them out. The only reason to abbreviate or truncate is to avoid redundant redundancy. I do not feel that applies to the occasional fraction.


 * There is a template called but I do not know how it would apply to the above scenario. Ping me back. Cheers!   02:03, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Checkingfax. What do you mean by "Ping me back"? This is on your talk page. I don't want to get into any arguments with military history buffs, but I would leave a comment on the article's talk page if there were something specific in MoS that would support using words instead of numbers (and I think there is; I'm too tired to look for it now). – Corinne (talk) 02:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Meant write back. Ping me back is force of habit. I'll poke around some more on fraction MoS. If you cannot find a MoS, use WP:5P. Cheers!  02:23, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Gärdestad
If you find time for it, please take a look at the article about Ted Gärdestad. I am thinking about improving it as it is about one of Swedens most famous singers. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:46, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

April 2016
(in response to being incorrectly templated, here)
 * Listen, you pretentious ass-hat: if you consider this edit to be "blanking page content or templates", you might want to consider how we do things here in Wikipedia. First of all, you don't template the regulars. Secondly, you actually take the time to use the discussion page to hash out difference of opinions. Thirdly, you had best understand the terms that you are accusing people of violating. I will get over your behavioral faux-pas (aka, 'major fuck-up'); if you do it again, however, you will shed any assumption of good faith you will ever get from me. Consider that your last warning. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:17, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Discretionary Sanctions/Alert (topic=blp)
Thanks for the further templating. Please do not post on my page again. Ignoring my request will be considered as harassment. You have nothing to say that I want to hear. Don't go away mad, just go away. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Anbe Sivam
Hello, Checkingfax -- I've been copy-editing Anbe Sivam (am not finished yet), but I was just looking at some edits made since I took a break, and I wanted to ask you about  edit. I thought neither templates nor HTML codes (such as for no-break space, etc.) should be added to a wiki-link, that is, the part before any pipe, which is, of course, the title of a WP article. (I thought they were all right to added to anything that follows a pipe; if that's wrong, please let me know.) – Corinne (talk) 03:17, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I just realized that I had already finished copy-editing the article last night. The editor changed a verb "has been regarded" back to the way it was before I changed it, to "is regarded", so I had to fix that just now. But I still need to know about templates/codes in a wiki-link. – Corinne (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I have tested it and HTML codes although rarely warranted do not seem to cause any problems on the right or left side of the pipe within a wikilink. However, I only put templates on the right side of the pipe—‌as I am not confident about putting them on the left side of the pipe. I hope that helps. Cheers!  04:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh. O.K. Thanks! Actually, since it has been a while since I have used HTML codes, now I only remember one, the one for a no-break space. Where can I find a list of the others?


 * You said earlier that I shouldn't put templates inside cite ref templates. Can I put templates (such as no-break space, spaced en-dash, etc.) inside regular ref - ref codes? – Corinne (talk) 04:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Your recollection is correct: nesting certain font templates inside of cite templates can cause COins pollution. Here is a long list of HTML escape codes. If you use the name vs a number you just put the name between a leading ampersand and a trailing semi-colon: e.g.- the name for ampersand is amp, whereas one style of numbering for it is 34. Look down the chart and you can see you may use trade spelled out or substitute it numerically with 8482. There is probably no use for that one on Wikipedia. LOL.


 * Other than within citation templates you can use the font templates just about anywhere. Cheers!  04:33, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I guess the main one I would use is & + nbsp + ;. (What is that vertical blue bar in the "Character" column next to "nbsp"?) How do you say "HTML"? Do you say "aich tee em ell"? It looks like an abbreviation for "Hotmail", but I guess it's not. – Corinne (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Off-wiki or for special on-wiki projects some of the other HTML (HyperText Markup Language) can be useful. I use copyright, trademark, the cents sign, and others occasionally. I utter it as H-T-M-L. Cheers!  15:39, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, but
I appreciate your support in this edit. I'm just wondering how you end up putting some non-breaking spaces after en dashes. Is that something you do explicitly for a reason? Or your editor does it automatically for whatever reason? Are you worried that the line will break after the dash for some reason? I thought it was recommended to put the non-breaking space before a space en dash, as in Template:Spaced en dash. No? Dicklyon (talk) 06:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Good catch. For some reason the  template calls for a plain space before setting the template and after setting the template, whereas the snds template does not require that, and it prevents any hanging indent on the next line. As for en dash, I either use space en dash space in most cases, vs an unspaced em dash, but I use an unspaced en dash for simple date or score ranges: e.g.- the final score was 8–10, or pages 199–201, but for a birth, death date where there are words with spaces, I would use a spaced en dash, like (December 23, 1915 – January 19, 1951). If an article requires an em dash—‌I would use an unspaced em dash. Your thoughts? Cheers!   06:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I don't understand how your edit inserted a few non-breaking spaces far from your part. Also I'd never heard of the shorthand Template:snd; such non-transparent abbreviations seem like a bad idea. Dicklyon (talk) 07:00, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I would hate to type out the full name of the template every time, so they created a shortcut called .  The mnemonic is: S-paced N-Dash, but they want you to put a plain space after the template. My template is really long in name,, but has a template shortcut of , mnemonic: S-paced N-D-ash S-pace. I can glance at the source code of a page and know if something is an en dash, an em dash, a spaced en dash, or an unspaced em dash. Your thoughts? Cheers!   07:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see a lot of value in the non-breaking aspect, typically, and don't understand why you'd ever want non-breaking after the dash. I just type the dash – I have a Mac, so it's trivial.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Does the Mac type en dash in with a keyboard command when you are in the edit source window?


 * Also, with my vision and screen resolution, when I am in edit source mode I cannot tell the difference between an existing hyphen, en dash, em dash, etc. They all look about the same width. I do not insert a lot of them, so using the templates is a no-brainer for me. Cheers!  16:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, option-hyphen is en dash, and option-shift-hyphen is em dash, since 1984. I changed my font to one where he different is obvious.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

MIT Press Journals application
Hello. I would like to ask if the required minimum of 500 edits only take into account contributions from a specific version of Wikipedia, or contributions from every edition of Wikipedia? Does it also count contributions outside of Wikipedia, like Commons? Hoping for your reply, k_cms (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . It is a global account count including everything you mentioned and more in aggregate. Cheers!  16:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Here is your global account tally for the K CMS account. 500 is not a bright-line rule. Cheers!  16:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Cataphyll redirects
At the, you were correct in my opinion to populate the category. It's a more general usage of the category, and yet still appropriate. There was no need for the alternative name sort, because the category tree goes: On the other hand, there is no need to include the in the science category. Best of everything to you and yours!  Paine  03:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Developmental disability
I was just looking at the article Developmental disability, and I saw an external link in the section Developmental disability. I don't know what to do with it. Can you look at it? – Corinne (talk) 15:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Without reading the article I assumed it is meant to be a reference so I converted the long URL to a footnote by doing [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Developmental_disability&diff=714440826&oldid=714404874 this].


 * Now, it is a useful footnote and shows up in the footnotes (References) section, but it is now a bare URL which is subject to WP:linkrot.


 * Let's make it into a templated citation, OK?


 * Here is the format:




 * Leave any parameters blanked that you don't have or know what to do with.


 * By creating a (short) name for the ref, the ref can then be reused by only using that portion of the long ref. In this case the reuse name would be:


 * The double quote marks are required for spaced names, but I use them for all names in case an editor following me and making a ref name change does not know the double quote mark rule.


 * Short, cogent ref names are a good thing, but they cannot be all numerical.


 * If the ref name is reused in the article the forward slash ( / ) is used to "close" the named ref tag.


 * Honor the datestyel (dmy or mdy) of the article as best you can.


 * Just fill in the blank parameters as best you can and then paste that citation template in place of the plain text reference. Preview your edit; scroll down to References and make sure it's outputting the way you want it to; save it; bam; you're done.


 * You will have to open the PDF URL to get all the details to put into the citation template. Good luck. Cheers!   20:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Battle of the Mareth Line
Hello, Checkingfax -- I accepted an assignment at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests a week ago to copy-edit Divisional Cavalry Regiment (New Zealand). I finally got to it today. I decided to read it first. I got to the end of the lead and a little more. As I was reading, I skimmed some of the linked articles, including Battle of the Mareth Line. I made one copy-edit. I thought the fraction "4 1/2" looked odd in the lead, so I changed it to words (I always prefer words over numbers unless it is a science- or math-related article). An editor reverted me with edit. I want to ask you what you think. I don't see any reason to use a number here. Corinne (talk) 01:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear, I like:
 * better than:
 * I will dig in further. Cheers!  05:58, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I will dig in further. Cheers!  05:58, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * OK.
 * Found here: Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. So the four should be spelled out. But the fraction portion is a bit more difficult according to this: Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. I would say if the integer is spelled out, then the fraction should be too (unless it is Fellini's eight and a half). Cheers!  06:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Found here: Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. So the four should be spelled out. But the fraction portion is a bit more difficult according to this: Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. I would say if the integer is spelled out, then the fraction should be too (unless it is Fellini's eight and a half). Cheers!  06:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Checkingfax -- I think there is something about not mixing words and numbers in that MoS section. On an unrelated issue, see User talk:Firebrace. Corinne (talk)


 * Hi . I could not find that section so I looked in Firebrace's history and found it had been [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firebrace&diff=next&oldid=703531140 blanked]. Somebody needs to grow a thicker skin Cheers!   21:21, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . You had a fraction question the other day. Does this section help? Cheers!  04:51, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Question Reversion
You reverted my edit to this sentence in the article "Septic tank": "A properly maintained system will likely not need replacement during the homeowner's lifetime."

I had changed it to "A properly maintained system will likely not need replacement during the builder's lifetime."

Sentence 1 is clearly false. I.e., if you were the 10th person to buy a 70 year-old house you would be the homeowner, but it is by no means certain that the septic tank would outlive you, no matter how well it was maintained. At some point it simply reaches the end of its design life.Seligne (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I fail to see how changing homeowner's to builder's is a valid solution to the problem with that sentence. Try putting the sentence into your own words to accomplish the gist. Cheers!  00:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Your reply a non sequitur. Seligne (talk) 00:30, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Unfortunately, replacing homeowner's with builder's does not fix the problem with the sentence. I do not know what else I can tell you. What if the builder lives to be 120? Forget about lifetimes, and quantify the life of a septic tank, if that is even possible. Cheers!  00:38, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Michael Laucke part II
The article Michael Laucke you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Michael Laucke for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of MPJ-DK -- MPJ-DK (talk) 14:41, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations! – Corinne (talk) 15:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . As you were part of the team that fruited this, please add this template to your user page: Cheers!   19:27, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Are you sure I won't be taking some of the credit from Natalie? – Corinne (talk) 04:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, Corinne. Positive. It was a team effort with you being a major spoke in the wheel. Cheers!  04:48, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Corinne, Ditto. ...as per Checkingfax's comments above. ...with renewed thanks for the superb fine tuning you brought to the article as well ... --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 06:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

wikinews article
just wondering how you select people to invite/encourage them to write wikinews articles.--Wuerzele (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I was editing the Zika virus article and I was testing the Wikimedia sister project links from the Zika article (in the wikimedia box at the bottom of the page) to the sister projects. I clicked on the Wikinews link on the Zika page and was shocked to find there was no news article for Zika. So, I thought of Doc James.


 * I do not know much about Wikinews, but the style is similar to a Wikipedia article, but it is written as a news article instead of as an encyclopedic article. The Zika article gets like 15 million page views per year so it is an important topic, and I am sure there is a news angle there too. You are free to create the Zika Wikinews piece by clicking on the red link on Wikinews. I am glad you noticed my post. Ping me back. Cheers!  20:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Summer Palace of Peter the Great
Hi When you can, and if you're able, can you please check over the Summer Palace of Peter the Great article I've just expanded? Thank you so much. Picomtn (talk) 12:19, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi With the improvements I've made to Summer Palace of Peter the Great, can it be placed at Today's articles for improvement and/or Today's articles for improvement/Accomplishments? And if so, can you please do that after you're done? Just wondering. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 12:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Good job doing a 3x expansion of SPOPTG. TAFI does not work that way. The process is:


 * Nominate an article that needs improvement, with rationale, by category
 * Once a week category spots on the nom page are shuffled so no particular category dominates the top of the nom page
 * Get three net aye votes from folks that know about the nom page (nom period times out 30 days after most recent vote)
 * Have the article go into a hopper (queue)
 * Once a week a bot randomly picks an article from the queue and notifies TAFI subscribers of the nom (this happens on Sunday)
 * A TAFI banner is put on the article
 * The previous week's TAFI banner is removed


 * There is, in true numbers, a five year backlog in the nom'd queue, however because of randomization of picks a recent nom can still be TAFI.


 * I would encourage you to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Today%27s_articles_for_improvement/Members/Notifications&action=edit join] the TAFI project so you can get a feel for it. So, there is no way to add the SPOPTG article to the TAFI "improved" page without going through the TAFI nom process. As this juncture, the article may be "too improved" from the regulars to give it three net aye votes (nay votes cancel out aye votes). There is no obligation to work on a TAFI. You can ignore all but the notices that interest you, although I have found that I can add something, albeit minimal, to any article. The one I added the most to is hors d'oeuvres, which is now a #1 listing on Google, and it went to maybe 8x expansion within the 7-day TAFI period so it qualified for, and passed the review to DYK, and was posted in the main page primo position with an image.


 * Do you have a rationale to nom the article for TAFI? TAFI is a good way to get a weekly suggestion for an article that needs improvement. Cheers!  17:31, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi All I was wondering about is if the improvements I made to this article changed it from being a start class one as it's listed at Articles for improvement, and if so, what class would it be listed in now, and how does one change the class of an article for that matter. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 14:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . You can nominate the article at TAFI to have it considered for further improvement. Then, if it goes from say a start class to a C class or B class then it would be listed as such.


 * Most article promotions are done by the germane WP Project, but in good faith you can promote them (or demote them). You do it in the Project template on the talk page. If there is no template(s), you can add the cogent template(s). All templates take a class= parameter, and some accept an importance= parameter. Most articles, even though important in your mind, are classified as "low importance". Do a view-edit or view-source at the top of a few talk pages and you will see the parameters to add or adjust. Sometimes, there is checklist on the talk page in the Project listing that helps you evaluate an article for promotion to class=B.


 * I would encourage you to join the TAFI talk page notification list so you get a weekly article for improvement suggestion on your talk page. You are free to delete them when you're done with them. Cheers!  19:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Pinging another editor
Hi Checkingfax. Just to let you know for future reference that this ping won't have triggered a notification for the editor, because you didn't link to their page in an edit you signed. See Notifications on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Or did I misunderstand your edit summary? Maybe - sorry if I did. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:50, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * . :Hi, . Thank you for your quick notice of my botched ping. If you read my edit summary you will see what I did, knowing that re-pings do not work. I sent the OP a Talkback notice using the TB link. Oddly, they have not received it yet, AFAICT. FYI, is writing an essay on pinging that will put all about pings into one easy to read article. Please let him know of anything you can add to his upcoming essay. As one of the Teahouse regs your input would be invaluable. Do you use the Teahouse Talkback script to apprise askers when you answer them? The little [TB] is odd, and hard to click on with an Android, but I can hit it sometimes. Cheers!   18:56, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have the [TB] thing, but sometimes use the talkback template manually (usually for IPs or when another editor has provided an answer and failed to notify the editor who asked the question). Personally, I now prefer to ping when I've answered a question. I've been trying to encourage hosts to notify guests of answers more thoroughly, at Wikipedia talk:Teahouse, but it doesn't seem to have had much impact. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:02, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I constantly botch pings. I wish there were a nag screen. Also, if they would tweak the system to allow us to make a subtle change in the message that would allow us to reset a valid ping. Years ago I was told we could re-add the ping, then change the time stamp by one numeral and it would restore the ping, but it does not work that way. Flow does not have these issues. Cheers!  19:10, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * At least you're aware you're getting it wrong, Checkingfax! Lots of experienced editors (including me until relatively recently) don't realise that their pings are failing. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:22, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . On the flip side of that, if an editor's username contains an equal sign, like 7&6=13, they cannot be pinged with any of the ping templates. Two options are to "escape" the equals sign by encapsulating it in four curly braces or to use the "oldstyle" ping method of using square brackets, and no template. With c.c. to . One reason I made my custom signature the way I have is so folks can easily ping me back. Cheers!  19:33, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, heh, I was just thinking most of what you'd written to Dicklyon would make a good tutorial with a few extra details. I'm not sure I understand all the nuances (bugs/misfeatures) well enough to write much of an essay about it. It's probably more that WP:PING needs improvement, and a quick-guide summary.  We probably don't need another separate page about it.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  19:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Planned Parenthood
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

What are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts about this for you? Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 07:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Tile edit requests
Hi! Just a heads up that I've revised my edit requests for Tile per your feedback. Your input was super helpful — several "lessons learned" I added to my personal manual of Wikipedia best practices. If you have a few minutes, I'd be so grateful to have you look over my requests again. Thank you for your help so far! Mary Gaulke (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Are the edit requests change-X → to-Y, and copy/paste ready (after being reviewed)? Cheers!  23:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Re-ping PS: Space emdash not MoS compliant on Wikipedia: Use unspaced emdash, or spaced ndash (space ndash space). There are two easy templates to use:  and  (one stands for no-space/emdash/no-space whereas the other stands for space/endash/space) You include the four curly braces. Do NOT put a space before or after the templates themselves or you will defeat the purpose of the emdash template anyway.   23:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the note on emdashes, and yes! All copy-paste ready. I bolded "add"/"remove" for my remaining pending requests in the original ask. Mary Gaulke (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi! Just checking if you're still interested in this or if you'd prefer for me to take this request elsewhere. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 02:07, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi,. I just looked at it and the edit request is a hot mess. I cannot decipher what needs to be done.

Under "revise the lead" there is one line item marked as done, but you said the undone stuff would have a bold note, and there is no bolding for the group of requests. Are they all done?

It says things like Add, but not to where. It mentions the section, but not where in the section. The top, the middle, the bottom, weave it in? It implies adding something but not removing anything or adding to it. The references are not visible in the copy/paste request. I need the whole enchilada to make it easy.

I really need things in a "replace X" ... "with Y" format as I keep requesting. That looks something like this:


 * Replace:


 * Gen 2 of the Tile device has a volume of 90 decibels


 * With:


 * Gen 2 of the Tile device has a volume of 90 decibels, three times louder than Gen 1's volume. It also offers a "Find Your Phone" feature—‌users can double tap the "e" on their Tile device and if their phone is within 100 feet, it will start ringing. Tiles are 1.5 square inches and waterproof.

This is offered as a separate add-on, but what does it hang on to:


 * Add: Tile has partnered with Blunt Umbrellas to create a "smart" umbrella that can be located through Tile when it gets lost.


 * Revise the end of the "Function" section for clarity and detail, plus third-party sources. I recommend replacing "Tile hardware is useful for one year after activation of the Tile app, and then the hardware portion must be replaced." with:
 * Tile's built-in batteries begin to wear out after one year of use. Through the company's ReTile program, Tile users are automatically reminded when it is time to replace their Tiles and can receive new Tiles at a reduced price. The new Tile also arrives with a self-addressed stamped envelope that the user can use to send their old Tile back to the company to be recycled.

Please provide X → Y copy/paste request that include the text and the references, and include what to replace or append to. Cheers! 02:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Got it! I've reformatted per your specifications, with the ref codes inline. Thanks for taking the time to clarify what you were looking for. Hopefully this does the trick! Mary Gaulke (talk) 20:55, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, touching base. Would you still like to take a look at these edit requests, or would you prefer for me to take them elsewhere? Don't want to bug you but don't want to exclude you from the process either. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 16:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 03:22, 24 April 2016 (UTC)