User talk:WikiWikiWayne/Archive 8

Person of the Year
Hello, Checkingfax -- I saw your recent edit to Person of the Year: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Person_of_the_Year&type=revision&diff=697106661&oldid=697104729] I re-read MOS:CAPFRAG (I had read it many times before this), and I interpret it differently from the way you seem to have. To me, this caption is a sentence fragment. Therefore, it should not end in a period/full stop. It would only end in a period/full stop if there were a complete sentence before it that ended in a period/full stop and, since there isn't, there should be no period/full stop there. Corinne (talk) 17:07, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , got it. Thanks! PS: That is the way I used to handle it too.  17:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

User:titusfox/RPG
You are invited to join the discussion at User:titusfox/RPG. A New Turn has begun! Thanks. T F { Contribs } { Edit Quest! } 15:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * A new turn has begun at Edit Quest! However, User:Dat GuyWiki has requested to be absented from the next two turns. Come and join the fight! T F  { Contribs } { Edit Quest! } 17:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, User:Samtar has now made a script to deal with the tediousness of manually putting your diffs in at Edit Quest! You can install it here if you'd like. Don't forget to give Samtar lots of thanks! T F  { Contribs } { Edit Quest! } 16:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit quest script
Hi, how're you finding the script? Any suggestions or bugs? -- samtar whisper 07:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . We used to put a # next to each line item for submitted Diffs. Is that still needed? Otherwise ... it is sweet! Thank you for the effort.


 * Maybe you can help me. I updated the doc for Template:Ping group as it used to be called Template:Pinggroup. However, I did not know how to update the JavaScript documentation for tweaking the output of Ping group. Can you have a look-see? Thanks. Cheers!  07:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll have a look at adding a # in front of submissions :) and I'll have a look at Template:Ping group when I get a mo --  samtar whisper 09:22, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I have some time now - which part of the documentation is it that needed a look-see? I'm guessing It is also possible to manipulate the output using your common.css or common.js to turn on or off [...]? --  samtar whisper 18:58, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi,. Yes, this section of the doc, and does the underlying JavaScript need to be updated too?

Cheers! 03:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi,. Is it possible to edit the Edit-Quest Script so it will reject duplicate Diffs when submitted? Thanks. Cheers! 14:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi hi, sorry for the delay! I'll have a proper look at the ping group, but it seems not much of the docs will need changing. As for the script, yeah I'll add a check which compares your URL to every other pasted URL cheers! --  samtar whisper 14:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi
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Thank you for fixing the source at Oba Chandler. If you find time for it, please take a look at the article about Clara Henry as well. Much appreciated. --BabbaQ (talk) 07:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . OK, I made a few edits. Happy New Year! Cheers!  08:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I hope you had a great New Years Eve! Could you please take another look at Clara Henry. Another dead link has popped up. regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 18:47, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . That one has me stumped. The two main tools I use (WP:reFill and WP:Checklinks) do not show it as being a dead link but if I follow the link it looks useless as a citation. I do not know Swedish. Who tagged it as being dead and how did they arrive at that conclusion? Cheers!  04:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is weird. Lol. I will take a closer look at it for sure.BabbaQ (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * knows Swedish, if you need a Swedish-speaker. Corinne (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

St. Paul's Cathedral, Kolkata
Hello, Checkingfax -- I have just finished copy-editing St. Paul's Cathedral, Kolkata. I saw a red link at William Nairn Forbes, and I thought I would try to see if there were an article to which I could link it. (Sometimes I have found that there is an article, but there just needs to be a minor change in the way the name is written in order for the link to turn blue.) I found a whole lot of Forbes at Forbes (name) and the Forbes baronet page. I'm wondering if you feel like looking to see if one of those is the Forbes mentioned in the article. Also, if you feel like going through the article to see if there is anything I missed, that would be nice also. There is one thing I've got to ask the requester, though. It's the fact that Sir Edward Burne-Jones is mentioned twice in one paragraph, and I can't figure out if the "West Window" is in a separate area of the cathedral from the tower, whose windows and their design by Burne-Jones are mentioned about two sentences later. If they are separate, then should the link to the Burne-Jones article, and the phrase "the pre-Raphaelite master", be with the first mention or leave it at the second? (When I found this, there was only "Burne-Jones" at the first mention; I added "Sir Edward" to it, then stopped working on it when I realized there was a problem.) So that's the only thing left unresolved. Corinne (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC) Actually, I realize that there are two things that need to be resolved. I've left a comment at User talk:Nvvchar. Corinne (talk) 01:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I failed on the redlinked name but I did a lot of technical microedits on St. Paul's Cathedral, Kolkata. However, I hit an edit conflict so I had to merge my changes with yours. Can you have a look-see and make sure I did not break your edits with the merge? I did fix at least one other redlink by creating redirects. Cheers! PS: When I have trouble finding an article

a mental note of the names I had trouble with and then when I figure out the correct article name I create redirects from the alternative article names to the "correct" article name. Do you ever do that? 04:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for working on the article. No, I've never done that. I think by the time I found the article with the right name, I'd probably have forgotten where I'd seen the red link. Besides, I don't even know how to create a redirect. Also, why would you create a redirect instead of going back and correcting the spelling of the name? I'll take a look at the article to see if any of my edits were somehow not made, but I looked at the article late yesterday and didn't see anything amiss. Corinne (talk) 14:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow, you worked late last night! Or perhaps it wasn't night where you live. But anyway, I see you did quite a bit of re-arranging. I didn't notice any of my earlier edits missing. I think you're better than I am at seeing the big picture. I find it a little difficult to see the overall organization without seeing the entire article in front of me; I ought to look at the article in the regular form (I don't know what that's called) – I usually read most of the article in edit mode – during and after I finish copy-editing; then maybe I would see the overall organization better. There is a bit of a problem that needs fixing in the second paragraph in the "History" section. I don't know if I did that or not, but there is a sentence that appears twice. I don't know where the best place for the sentence is. Do you want to fix that? Corinne (talk) 14:56, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi,. The History paragraph is the one I botched up. Old:

New: Trying to merge your changes with mine after the edit-conflict:

As you can see I did a bad job of merging the edit conflict versions. I will need a lot of coffee to wrap my head around remelding it properly. Please jump in first.


 * I think the job of cutting what is not needed and putting sentences in the right order will not be so difficult, but upon re-reading the first paragraph (which is the less wordy one), I realize that there is a problem with one of the sentences. If we write that sentence correctly, we can then take care of the other things. Here is the sentence that I think needs some attention:


 * In 1762 the area had been described as a forest so wild that it harbored tigers, and, at first, it was regarded as "too far south" to serve as a location for the cathedral.

Here are the problems I see:

(a) "In 1762" is following a sentence that starts "In 1819" (in the first version, at least), so is going in reverse chronological order, jumping back fifty-seven years.

(b) The time phrase "at first" refers to 1819, and within the same sentence inexplicably jumps forward fifty-seven years from 1762, so "at first" (which really refers to reaction to Bishop Middleton's suggestion in 1819) doesn't really make much sense in this sentence.

(c) There is not a strong connection between the location of "Fives Court" being too far south and being "a forest so wild it harbored tigers". The information about it having been a forest so wild it harbored tigers in the 18th century is just a bit of interesting information, but I don't think that in 1819 it was the reason for the initial rejection of the location, so, if that information about the forest and tigers is to be included, the sentence has to be worded carefully. I wonder whether the information is important enough, or sufficiently germane, to be included in this paragraph, but anyway, I'll try a revision:



Corinne (talk) 03:50, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

As for redirects, let's say 1934 Nepal–Bihar earthquake was redlinked but I found a live page at 1934 Nepal−Bihar earthquake. For future convenience I would create a redirect from the one with the endash to the one with the minus-sign and then both articles names would be live. Later, if I found out that the earthquake is also known as 1934 Bihar–Nepal earthquake (with endash) I would create a redirect for that and also for Bihar−Nepal earthquake (with minus-sign). To round things off I would create redirects for Nepal Bihar earthquake and Bihar Nepal earthquake too. Creating a redirect page takes about one minute. The format is easy and consistent: Start with a blank page; add one line of wikicode; save it. When people are typing in page names they don't always know which diacritics or punctuation to use and creating redirects makes it easier for typists and also can ease searches.

Most of the redirect pages I create are for intuitive or misspelled attempts that I make to find a page then I create redirects to the page as found. Sometimes people have alternative names like Eric Satie was born that way but later switched to Erik Satie so a redirect page is helpful so his page can be found both ways and both spellings are proper. Sometimes I create short article names to redirect to very long article names. Cheers! 23:24, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining a bit about redirects. I think I'll leave that to you and other editors who know how to create them. Corinne (talk) 03:59, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * P.S. Why did you change an en-dash to the en-dash template in a date range? I don't think it's going to break since there are no spaces either side of the en-dash. Corinne (talk) 04:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . I change raw endash and raw emdash to templates when I can because I like to be able to tell at a glance which one they are. In the raw they hard to differentiate especially on small screens. I do not change them within references, images, wikilinks, or within the left side of the pipe in piped wikilinks, as I fear breaking the file path of those particular instances of endash or emdash. Also, in citation templates adding nested templates can break the hCard ability of the citation template. Cheers!  05:40, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

SHCC
I appreciate your edits to the article and its Wikidata page, however I reverted a few of your reformatting edits. I prefer fewer spaces, both between paragraphs and images and in the ref tags. I keep it consistently like that in every article I write, so please don't change it on me.

As well, I'm not sure where in the MOS you've read that images shouldn't be on the left at the start of a section. Now there are far too many images on the right side, which means the images are being pushed down into sections where they're no longer relevant (eg the library photo in the stable section or the pool house photo in the riding ring section). Also, MOS:IMAGELOCATION doesn't mention what you did, but it does suggest left and right staggering, which is now almost not present in the article. ɱ (talk · vbm  · coi) 22:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . First off, Sleepy Hollow Country Club is not your article. Once you published it in the main WP:namespace you released your control over it.


 * None of the spacing additions are rendering but they assist other editors that have accessibility issues when editing in a text editor window. Your deletion of them is merely self-gratifying. No more, no less.


 * Adding a space before the closing slash in a self closing HTML tag is SOP.


 * Many of the sections are too short to support a left justified image. It is considered a better MoS to not start a section with a left justified image ... but the one paragraph sections do not support that MoS. This is also common sense. Common sense trumps any MoS every time.


 * As you and others expand the article the images will smooth in better and then it will be easier to do some staggering to the left side without riding the images up on the section heading.


 * The extra non-rendering spacing I inserted is appreciated by a cadre of special needs editors that I roll with. Reverting it is only self-gratifying.


 * PS: Your username is cute but a disservice because you can only be pinged by copy/paste or by using alt characters, etc. I will give you props that it is at least a legible signature. Cheers!  04:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I never once stated that it's my article! Sure I researched and wrote everything, and took all the photos (or scanned and uploaded them), but I never once claimed ownership. I'm telling you not to change those formatting details because when it comes to the MOS, the Arbitration Committee has ruled that editors should not change an article from one guideline-defined style to another without a substantial reason unrelated to mere choice of style, and to defer to the style used by the first major contributor. And the spaces do nothing for accessibility or anything, I don't know what you're talking about. As for my username, it's allowed when creating accounts. Sorry your keyboard doesn't have that character, that's your problem. Reprogram your keyboard or complain to software developers that the character shouldn't be allowed as a username, what can I say. Plus, what's wrong with copying and pasting? I do it all the time, even on mobile devices... ɱ  (talk · vbm  · coi) 05:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . What did you mean by this:


 * That sounded like article ownership to me.


 * AFAIK, the Arb has never chimed in on MoS about visuals on an article. MoS is a guideline subject to common sense. MoS is not a policy.


 * MoS does suggest sticking to datestyle, citation style, and British vs. English spelling when it comes to which style came first. This is for consistency but can be overwritten by consensus. However, I made no such changes anyway.


 * My comment about your username is a friendly heads up. It is cute, but that is all it is. I am not sure what the net sum gain is. The downsized version of your username does not copy/paste to be functional for a ping.


 * Thank you for expressing your appreciation for a portion of my efforts. Cheers!  05:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Canseco
Seriously this has got to stop. There is zero reason to remove the * next to the teams. There is absolutely zero consensus for your edit.--Yankees10 20:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Am I going to get a response here or not?--Yankees10 05:05, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . Exqueeze me? [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jose_Canseco&diff=699176779&oldid=699165699 I did not remove anything]. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jose_Canseco&diff=prev&oldid=699165699 You did needlessly]. You need to chill. Cheers!  05:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, No. Plainlist removes the * next to teams. Zero reason or consensus to do this.--Yankees10 05:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . OK, I have removed the plainlist template because it removes the bullet points from the rendered text. You had me confused because you kept saying I was removing asterisks which I was not, and you were distracting me with your wikilawyering. OK. That is settled now. The bullet points are back to match the infobox section below it. Peace and cheers!  05:27, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well great, instead of just admitting you were wrong and moving on, you decided to insult me with this wikilawyering nonsense. Thank you, very classy gesture.--Yankees10 05:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . You were not clear in what your issue was with my edit. You said I was removing asterisks but I was not. You mentioned that I was violating consensus but I did not. This was distracting stuff. Once I understood you really meant bullet points not asterisks I manned up, fixed it, and explained my confusion in understanding your issue with my edit. I am sorry this was not satisfactory to you. Now we can move on. PS: Go Yankees! Cheers!  06:17, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Martin County High School
Can you please explain why you approved this pending change? I unapproved it and reverted the edit. Please explain your actions. John from Idegon (talk) 22:35, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . As Pending-Changes-Reviewers we are tasked with enforcing a barrier to vandalism. Period. The good faith edit was not vandalism. Why is that page protected anyway? Under normal circumstances it would be freely editable and subject to standard BRD protocols. AGF. Cheers!  04:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Adding entirely unreferenced BLP to an article is close enough to vandalism. And do not presume to lump me in with you with your vainglorious royal we. It was a bad pass, period. Try listening once in a while. The article is protected because of the addition of name cruft. Name cruft--just like YOU approved with your pending change privilege. With privilege comes responsibilities. You should have found the answer to your rhetorical question above prior to exercising your privilege.  John from Idegon (talk) 06:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . I take no umbrage at your revert of my approval, just as you should take no umbrage at my approval. That is by design. Pending-Changes-Reviewers are a group of Special:ListUsers/reviewer editors on the English Wikipedia who make snap decisions on whether a new revision is broadly acceptable for public view. Period. There is no royal we. Just a huge number of us. The article has been protected for over a year. That is a bit over the top. I doubt if the page is currently threatened by high levels of vandalism. You really need to chill. PS: Articles are never page protected for name cruft. That is not a valid page protection request. PSS: Did you research the BLP entry for notability before blanking it? Undoing an edit is a bigger moral responsibility than approving one. The normal response is to look for citations, and then tag it with a maintenance tag if no citations are found. This gives the editor and others time to find citations. I notice most of your edits on Wikipedia are reverts and snarky scoldings in the edit summary rather than helpful repairs. The encyclopedia needs to be built up, not torn down as you seem to be doing. Here is a template of templates you can put on your user page to keep a list of inline templates handy: Cheers!   07:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Articles
Please take a look at the articles Jonas Åkerlund (politician) and Emil Källström that I have created. Any help is appreciated. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Malliswari (1951 film)
Checkingfax, I need your help with another article. I'm just about finished copy-editing Malliswari (1951 film). I have two or three concerns I'll be raising in a minute to the requester. But I want to ask you about something else. In the last section of the article, Malliswari (1951 film), I changed a pull quote to a block quote per guidelines at MoS. However, I see that the reference is visible at the end of the quote, and I know it shouldn't, but I don't know how to fix it. Also, I thought it was frowned upon to start a section with a quote. Can you figure out a better place to put it so that it fits in smoothly with the rest of the material in that section? Corinne (talk) 00:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

P.S. Why did you change "c.nbsp&" + year to a "circa" template? The MoS, in the abbreviations section, does not recommend that or even italics. If the template produces a little "c" with what looks like a dotted underline, I think that looks awful. I prefer the simple "c." Corinne (talk) 00:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . The 1917 nomenclature puts a tooltip under the c.


 * Hover your mouse pointer precisely on the → c. ← dots and you will see a question mark with an explanation of what c. means.


 * Actually, a more efficient use of the circa template is: as it automatically formats the non-breaking space like this: c. 1917


 * I will fix that reference in the quote.


 * Yes, I agree it is odd to start off a section with a quote, especially if it is an unattributed one.


 * I like it when blockquotes end with an attribution rather than starting with one. With the template you can add the attribution at the end after a pipe and it will insert a line break and an indented attribution with an emdash (actually a quote-dash) and a hair-space or thin-space. So, you can do  and it will format the quote and attribution nicely.


 * Good call on removing the pull quotes. They are allowed in the encyclopedia if the quote is a repetition to highlight a portion of text in the body of the article. Shaded backgrounds are deprecated too.


 * Click on this template link and it will provide a nickel tour on pull quotes: cquote


 * When converting box quotes to blockquotes it can be hard to find a place to smooth them back in.


 * I will check up on your remaining questions. PS: There is an template that allows you to make a tooltip for any abbreviation and you can even create a wikilink to a page about the abbreviated word using this template variation: . So, you could do 1000 people, and it would look like this: ≈1000 people. Hovering on the ≈ would tell you what it means, then clicking on it would take you to the wikipedia article about its meaning. Cheers!   04:22, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi,. Good news. I fixed the blockquote by using a quote template to replace the HTML tags. You can see the way I did it [].

Or, here it is: "When people talk of good movies, of clean films, of purposeful cinema, BN is remembered, and his films like Sumangali, Malleswari, Bangaru Papa, Devata are screened, some go nostalgic...some give out deep sighs...some shed silent tears. Sentimental folks long for the bygone days of glory that was Telugu cinema and that was BN Reddi."

- Film historian Randor Guy about Narasimha Reddy in the 9th International Film Festival of India's manual.

Notice the | after whereas the HTML blockquote tag requires a /blockquote to close it. Then with a blockquote tag you still have to format the attribution line with a further indent and an emdash. PITA if you ask me. You can use the quote template with or without invoking the attribution feature: Without attribution: ; with attribution:. You can hang a reference within the quote template or hang one on the closing tag of a blockquote. Cheers! PS: IIRC, the quote I fixed had an attribution that looked like a reference because it had an author= parameter, but the quote also add a reference attached to the attribution. You can have both if needed—‌an attribution and a reference. The reference will show up as a superscripted number encased in brackets. 03:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh. Thanks again for explaining. What are "PITA" and "IIRC"? Corinne (talk) 03:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . Check out the Acronym section: PITA, and IIRC = If I Recall Correctly. Cheers!  03:58, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh. Thanks! Corinne (talk) 04:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Pinophyta
 I'm reading the article on Pinophyta, and I saw that a kind of suffix preceded by a hyphen had become divided at the end of the line, with the hyphen at the end of the line and the suffix at the beginning of the next, so I decided to substitute the code for a no-break hyphen that I've had at the top right of my talk page for a long time,. However, I noticed the same thing I noticed a long time ago, and that is that the no-break hyphen is shorter than a regular hyphen. I've asked about this with the "helpme" template (told in Archive 9 that it was not the right place to ask), and have had two editors tell me it looks the same to them. See User talk:Corinne/Archive 9 and User talk:Corinne/Archive 12, but to me the two hyphens look different. Any suggestions? Corinne (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I shall dig in on that. In the meantime I did a test in my sandbox: User:Checkingfax/sandbox


 * I put pipes on either side of the hyphen so we can see how they line up. Cheers!  06:46, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Chiloé Archipelago
I was just skimming the article Chiloé Archipelago, and I made a few copy-edits including adding a few conversion templates. When you convert from square kilometers to square miles, is it all right if the kilometers show km2 and the miles say "sq mi"? Or should it come out as "square kilometers" or "sq. k" and "sq. mi"?

I noticed while I was in edit mode that there is a notice in red letters at the top of the page, something about the infobox. Can you look at it and fix whatever needs to be fixed there? (I didn't read the article through carefully yet, so if you see any other errors, that's why, and of course feel free to make any edits that need to be made.) Corinne (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I am not a big fan of abbreviations, and this one, IMHO, was inharmonious. Since real estate is cheap on Wikipedia pages I changed abbr=on to abbr=off and I think it looks much more explanatory and harmonious without being overly dominating. PS: It worked well in this conversion but sometimes you have to restrict the conversion from being too detailed: The rule is to have the conversion be about the same accuracy as what is being converted, so you don't want one-inch converting to 2.54376453749857476 cm. You can restrict it by adding a pipe and a digit to the end of the conversion telling it how many decimal places to go out (zero is valid too).


 * The red letter warning was a soft warning that there was a non-critical unknown parameter in the infobox. I went to and took note of the supported parameters and adjusted them a bit in the infobox itself, but I could not find a place to put the data that existed in the unknown parameter. Oh, well. At least there won't be any more error showing during edit. Sometimes I can find an alternative parameter like maybe somebody used website= when they should have used web_site=. If I really get stuck I try the Template Talk page, or I just leave the soft error and let somebody else figure it out since those errors do show up in a maintenance category that some Template editors monitor. Cheers!   06:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing that and for your explanations. I also am not a fan of abbreviations, but I see them used so often on WP that I thought I should be using them. I'm glad you wrote it out (I didn't look at the changes yet; I'm just going by what you said). I also knew about the option of controlling the decimal places by adding a number (but I had forgotten if I just had to put the number after the last pipe or if I had to add something else), but when I looked at the number I saw that it was something like 6.8. If I limit it to zero places, I would just get 6, and since it's close to 7, I thought 6 would be misleading. Of course, I would prefer that inches be expressed with fractions, which is what we're used to: 6 3/4 inches, 5 1/2 inches, etc., and feet expressed like this: 5 feet eight inches, or 7 and a half feet, etc., but I haven't seen either of those combinations very often on WP. Decimals with inches and feet don't mean very much to American readers. Corinne (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . 10ths are only good if you are a surveyor. They divide a foot in to 10ths and then each of those are divided in to 10ths on their surveyor rods. Throws a carpenter for a loop to use a surveyor's rod as a yardstick. The 10ths look like inches but they are not inches. Makes their Trig easier. Cheers!  17:49, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Gino D'Auri flamenco page
Dear, I found a flamenco page that would be easy for you to polish up here. The user worked on it for one day and made 7 edits. Looks like the user's whole editing career was over in a very short period. Cheers! 08:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I wrote this thread back when your Talk page was not taking new entries because your Talk page lacked a closing nowiki tag in a reply. Did you ever see this thread? You/we could edit the page in that Sandbox then we could Move it to Article namespace when it is a tad more robust. Cheers! 23:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hm... I dont remember seeing this. Gino D'Auri already also has a small stub besides the User:Meridian108/Gino D'Auri page which is more ample. We could copy over the later, along with its references, to Gino D'Auri. best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 17:29, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, Interesting that Doc Blofeld created [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gino_D%27Auri&oldid=693089580 this stub] a mere 4.5 hours after I posted the first message to you on November 30. Meridian108's version has dead references now. I will try to resurrect them with The Wayback Machine. Cheers!  18:05, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice the date ...what a coincidence . I see you did some very nice work on the article, and I sent you some thanks. Hope to contribute to it a bit later, as well. very best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 18:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . OK I recovered and archived the lost refs using WP:Checklinks and some elbow grease. Tag. You're it. Cheers!  19:01, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Wonderful. ...a bit taken at the moment. ...hope to attend to copying things over to the 'official' page at Gino D'Auri later this evening. Meanhwile, I added Gino D'Auri to the list of flamenco guitarists, as needed. best, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 19:05, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Ayuda, por favor (Help). I want to transfer content from User:Meridian108/Gino D'Auri to what I think is the official Gino D'Auri page, but i see I'm confused;%) let's say more confused than usual . Why is an article called "User:whatever". What is it? If I transfer from User:Meridian108/Gino D'Auri to Gino D'Auri, what happens to User:Meridian108/Gino D'Auri? Do we end up with two articles with the same content? Ideally, it would be easier to transfer Gino D'Auri to User:Meridian108/Gino D'Auri. Then we could rename User:Meridian108/Gino D'Auri and ask to have Gino D'Auri deleted. Hm, ...how to proceed ...I await your wise advice, as has become my custom and solace best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 11:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi,. Since the main namespace article is the shortest I think we should cut and paste sections of the user namespace article in to the main namespace article leaving the user namespace article blanked. We will need to put careful attribution in the edit summary and maybe afterwards do a dummy edit that include the cut Diff in the edit summary. Too bad Blofeld poached the main namespace or we could just do a simple Move. Then we can edit the main namespace article to clean it up. We can put up an template during this process to try and avoid the dreaded edit conflict. Cheers! 12:13, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

PS: You can always create sub-folders, which is what User Meridian108 did by putting a forward slash after your username. It is pretty much unlimited. Some users have thousands of subpages to keep everything organized. In this case the user created a subpage for for the article. You don't always have to work in your sandbox, and creating a subpage might give you some protection from prying eyes as they would have to go looking for subpages. If you click on the page information link on the left side of a page you can always follow the bread crumb path to a directory of its subpages. Cheers! 12:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Piping
See MOS:PIPE, and again, this is a standard way of linking. You may address further questions to the creator of the script. We happen to agree with the formatting style. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:18, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . Cease. There is not a single word in MOS:PIPE about removing the genitive 's inside the Wikilink. You're not supposed to revert the work of other editors without good reason, and you don't have one. Just stop. Now.


 * Furthermore, the tool is messing up the emdashes. Emdashes are not to be spaced. See: Manual of Style


 * The Script you are running is doing some good but do not run it on any pages with emdashes or genitive 's inside the wikilink until further notice. Thank you. Cheers!  15:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You are now WP:3RR and I'm not sure wtf this has to do with the five pillars. It's actually fixing the em-dahses, may be spaced as the MoS you pointed me to indicates and it's common in International English. As I said, take it up with others. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:45, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * and then you tag me for edit warring? I'm fixing your mistakes and you have the nerve to correct me. Stay away from my talk page and don't template the regulars. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . You started this by changing edits I had just made. That made you 1RR. Then you changed them again and went 2RR. Then you had the audacity to come here and tell me I was 3RR. 1+1 does not equal 4. That is why I had to violate DTTR. You did not mend your ways. Also, reverting bad edits does not count toward RR anyway. Did you read the MoS yet? I did not think so. Now will you stop approving those silly misguided edits? Man up and admit they are against MoS. The MoS that you linked me to. Then you call in your tag team to revert my valid edits again? You did not fix anything. Read the MoS. I even quoted it for you. Cheers!  17:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * By changing it you made the first of your reverts. Go read WP:3RR. Each individual group of changes is considered a revert. Your four together was your first revert. My application of the script was my first revert. Feel free to confirm at 3RR. Reverting vandalism is not the same as reverting what you consider to be a bad edit. Reverting clear and obvious vandalism is exempt from 3RR. Me reverting what I consider to be your bad edits is not exempt any more than you reverting what you consider to be mine. The fact that another editor reverted you lends to the idea that my edits, and that of the script, are the accepted standard.
 * Yes I read the MoSes. 5P is not a MoS and it makes no sense to link to it. Em-dashes may both either spaced or unspaced. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . Did you read the MoS:DASH for em dash? How much more clear can this be? This is copied right off the MoS:
 * You are wrong again. The MOS:DASH is a MOS. Read it again and again until it sinks in: Do not use spaces with em dashes.
 * You are wrong again. The MOS:DASH is a MOS. Read it again and again until it sinks in: Do not use spaces with em dashes.


 * Plus, you reverted my valid genitive 's edits. You started this. Now man up and stop it! Why are you making this so difficult? I think you may have en dash rules confused with em dash rules. That's OK. I know it's challenging. Cheers!  17:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_and_holiday_season&diff=699644724&oldid=699640013 says your genitive 's edits were wrong. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear . Evidently your crony has not read the MoS:PIPE that you provided me either. Have you read it yet? You're getting boorish. Have you read MOS:DASH yet? It's only one half on a sentence long. Should be easily to assimilate. Cheers!  19:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * you might want to read WP:NPA and comment about content and not descend to name-calling. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Namecalling aside, I have no crony. You might want to talk to that other editor and after you read WP:BATTLEGROUND (and then Wikipedia:Civility. I don't think I've been a dick about this, but may have had my back up. Your edit notice reminds all editors of this page to be civil. I'm not sure if you've read that recently.
 * Yes, I had read manual of style on punctuation and yes, I did confuse it with en-dashes. The mistake was honest. I had always used un-spaced em-dashes since I was an undergrad. An editor I respected reverted my removal of spaced em-dashes on several football articles while claiming that this was the way that it was done in England, and I took the editor's word for it. Too many football articles on my watchlist to try to remember which articles those were.
 * However, the piping is incorrect. I suggest that you raise the issue on the talk page of that MoS since your specific case is not discussed and three editors oppose you, the script's creator, me and Secondarywaltz. While you may be right to include the possessive within the link, you presently have no support.
 * Meanwhile, have you read WP:3RR? It does not support your interpretation of what constitutes 3RR.
 * An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert.
 * So the series of consecutive edits that undid the formatting of the possessives was actually a revert. Again, feel free to ask if that is a correct interpretation of 3RR.
 * Finally, don't be so demanding. Just like you, I'm not a paid staff-member of Wikipedia. I have a life outside of editing this project and I pining me twice doesn't make me magically appear. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi,. An editors' initial edit does not count as a 1RR. That is ridiculous. The counter started when you reverted my edit. When I reverted your revert I went to 1RR. Besides you just said above that 3RR is doing more than 3 edits. 3+more=4 to be 3RR. So, I would have to do my initial edit, then 4 more edits for a total of 5, to violate 3RR. You might want to keep that in mind. If you ever take anybody to the court of 3RR the admins will shoot you down if you only bring 3 reverts, unless somebody has been seriously disruptive all over the Wikipedia.

As for moving genitive 's from inside the wikilink to outside the wikilink, that is just nutty. And, there is no Wikipedia MoS to support the revert of those. In fact, the MoS says that apostrophes are one of the cases where you cannot pull the genitive 's to inside the wikilink without piping it. Read the MoS:PIPE carefully—‌the link you sent to me.

For no-space emdash I have created a handy macro:. ns=no space; md=emdash; ns=no space. I have created another handy one for date spacing where you need a spaced endash. It goes like this: : s=space; nd=endash; s=space.

Here is what is proper according to the Wikipedia house style:

1900–1905

1900–1905

Live June 19, 1901 – July 16, 1971

Live June 19, 1901 – July 16, 1971

on to say—‌what are you talking about?

on to say—‌what are you talking about?

Glad to hear you do not have a crony.

Let's ask Secondarywaltz to tweak the script so it repairs emdashes to always be unspaced.

As for the genitive 's inside the wikilink, can you just let them be? Cheers! 06:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to argue with you any longer. You clearly don't believe me, so please go ask at the project as I have asked you to do twice.
 * As for possessives, you're right, it's nutty that there is no MoS to support your actions. You should try to get one made. As for the MoS, which I have read and understood, what it says is "This does not work for affixes beginning with hyphens, apostrophes, or capital letters". That does not imply that you should bring apostrophes into the link, only that it does not work with leading or trailing punctuation and capitals. Again, not clear to you that you should not do it, but clear to three editors that it should not be done. If you want it to work as you have described, you'll have to gain consensus at the MoS. I won't support or oppose your request and I won't agree to "let them be" because it's not correct. And Secondarywaltz isn't the script's author, and I did mention to the author that you're angry. I'll let him come discuss that with you.
 * As for en-dashes, I know how they are to be used.
 * You might want to look at outdent.
 * Finally, as for requests, I will likely ignore all further requests to come to your talk page unless it's an urgent request for police or medical assistance with clear instructions on how to get that to you. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I've just been pinged here concerning some edits that may have involved use of my script. I'd like to start by making the following observations:
 * I don't know precisely what article the complaints are about, so a diff or two would be helpful bearing in mind the all-encompassing nature of the apparent style changes
 * I'm not aware of any one of my scripts inserting spaces either before or after the emdash, could Walter possibly confirm that he made this change manually?
 * As to the unpiping of the genitive, I would disagree with your assertion that moving the apostrophe outside of the link was "silly". It seems to me that the piping is misleading one that would fall into the WP:EGG category – note that there is rarely an article referring to objects belonging to a given person (physical or otherwise), and as such Clement Moore's "A Visit from St. Nicholas" and  Church of England's use of the term Christmas season, in this edit, is not wrong. Maybe  might have a comment? --  Ohc  ¡digame! 20:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think your MoS script is grand. Thank you for building it.


 * Are you saying  U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower's 1955 card  is an easter egg, but  Christmas season  is not an easter egg? Or did I misunderstand your bullet point three. I do not see either one as being an easter egg. Neither one is going to astonish anybody when they click on it.


 * Looks like I misspoke and your script is [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_and_holiday_season&diff=699634922&oldid=699628338 making a spaced emdash in to a spaced endash], but I would think an unspaced emdash would be appropriate per MOS:DASH. Per MOS:DASH, a spaced endash is only appropriate for date ranges that have a space in the portion of the date after the endash, like January 19, 1937 – February 29, 1953. Cheers!  20:56, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I did not make any manual changes on the page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Probably better to keep word morphology and grammatical tags outside the pipe ... it's what we're used to anyway. Tony   (talk)  09:10, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Hors d'oeuvre
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Odd one out
This reminded me of your odd one out comment in our discussion of the 's: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Abbreviations. If you hadn't seen this, I thought you might enjoy the puzzle. Corinne (talk) 15:23, 16 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I do not comprehend the gist of the puzzle, but I tried to play along. . Also, commenting out the names in any replies seems lame since the source code shows up anyway when you click on a Notification and click on Show changes (which is the way I usually pick up Notifications). Are you going to play? Cheers!  07:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I can't play because I have no idea what any of those abbreviations are. I think the poster wanted people to find one that should never be abbreviated. What does "comment out the words" (toward the end of the comment) mean? How could you tell at a glance which ones were redirects? What's a redirect anyway? Corinne (talk) 14:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . A redirect is a wikilink that says one thing but goes to another thing like this one: Lock out chamber. Also, note that after you go to it there will be a link down below the new title that tells you where you were redirected from. In this case it will look like this: (Redirected from Lock out chamber ). If you click on that link it will take you to the redirect page instead. If you click on edit-source on the redirect page you can see what a redirect page consists of wikicodewise. The format to create a redirect page is very consistent. Here is another redirect: WP:GOCE. I can tell at a glance which are redirects because I installed a user script in to my common.js file that makes redirects turn green. I have found it to be remarkably handy. Half of the initialisms s/he posted were green to me. I assumed that comment out the words meant s/he did not want us to post spoilers so we should wrap our guesses with tags so they would not render. Cheers!   14:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Category addition reverts
Hi, Eliedion. Why did you revert five category additions I made such as one regarding images of René Angélil? I added his images to the category correctly showing both diacritic marks in his full name while his images were currently in a category only showing one diacritic mark which is incorrect. Ping me back. Cheers! 10:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. You created a new category. Why? It already exists. Why don't you renamed it? I was on iPad so I can't ask to delete this category to rename René Angelil to René Angélil. I'm hoping you to understand. Eliedion (talk) 20:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Teahouse templates
So, I took a dive through the Teahouse sub-pages, and found a few other cases of  CSS, similar to Teahouse/Editor welcome. I have changed all of the instances I found to eliminate the problematic CSS, while preserving what I believed to be the intended results. Given the huge number of sub-pages there, I could easily have missed some, or there may be other similar CSS issues I've yet to spot. Please feel free to ask me to take a look at any of the other stuff there, if there are any templates still giving undesirable formatting, etc. I'm also quite happy to revisit my fix if you feel it needs any adjustment. --Murph9000 (talk) 03:41, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your recent revert-
-In the edit quest page. The user has been doing it for a couple of other articles. Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmm . Seems like only the nominator should remove the nom. What says you? Cheers!  15:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Checkingfax, in cases where a person new to GA clearly doesn't understand the process and goes on a drive-by nominating spree—Adrian 8076 nominated thirteen articles earlier today, which I think is some kind of record, and also posted a highly problematic GA review—the nominations are all reverted. I wanted to let you know this, because your reversions of DepressedPer are about to reverted so the nominations are removed. Thank you for your understanding. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Understood. Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:45, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * and . DepressedPer needs to leave better edit summaries so as not to appear to be a vandal. Cheers!  15:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll agree that "Not ready for GAN" is somewhat lacking as an edit summary, even if it was accurate. However, I'm curious as to why you continued to think DepressedPer was a vandal as the number of nominations that were made by the same person made at about the same time started to mount, and as you saw that DP was taking the time to update the WikiProject information on some of the talk pages—updates that would normally not be removed even if you thought restoring the GA nominee template was in order. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * . I shall be sure to drink my coffee before reverting in bulk next time. Cheers!  16:57, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Deleted page "Intrapsychic Humanism"
Hello, I am one of the contributors to the Intrapsychic Humanism (IH) page. It was deleted 7 Jan by RHaworth for "copyvio". Our editing pace is very infrequent so we didn't see RHaworth copyvio warning in time to communicate. What is the best way to start dialog with RHaworth? I cannot find the "IH" talk page. bobbcarroll2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbcarroll2 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, there . Sorry about your article. Yes, deleted it after it went through some kind of process. You can contact him here. That will open a direct edit page to leave a message. Be sure to sign it with four tildes ~~~~


 * Let me know how it works out or if I can assist. Cheers!  17:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Chandler
Could you take a look at ref 57 at the article about Oba Chandler. Something is wrong.. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, it was my pleasure to find and archive 2 dead links on the Oba Chandler article. One was #57 and one was the first External link. Please check the archived version of the links. Cheers!  02:13, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Bangladesh
I don't know if you want to get involved in this, and I don't know who is right, but there is incipient edit-warring at Bangladesh. See. About two weeks ago, a request for a copy-edit for this article was declined; see the brief discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. Corinne (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . In this Diff:  seemed to plump up a lot of bare URLs but s/he removed an image. Then in the Diff you showed me  shotgun reverted all of SheriffIsInTown's edits good or bad. That is toxic. Sure I will get involved. I shall probably set a DS/A template on each of their talk pages. Cheers!   05:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * He seems to like to own Bangladesh articles and seems somewhat allergic to Pakistanis editing Bangladesh articles. He has seen my userboxes and reverts my edits indiscriminately. My only choice is to let him own the articles and let him run like a bull or confront and keep insisting that I have the same rights to edit as he does. I was thinking about opening an RFC but he does not basically let any of my edits stay. It would be like opening an RFC every day. I am not sure what to do. If you look at the edit history, there were series of them. He could have just added the picture back if his objection was only on removal of the picture but he reverted just every thing because those edits were done by a Pakistani. Please advise what to do in this situation.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 09:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Checkingfax. Out of curiosity I looked at both talk pages and I didn't see the notice about discretionary sanctions on one of them. Corinne (talk) 14:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . SheriffIsInTown: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SheriffIsInTown&diff=701052261&oldid=700867465]


 * Akbar the Great: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Akbar_the_Great&diff=699160985&oldid=699160742]


 * We are only allowed to set one DS/A per year per user or we can be subject to harassment sanctions. When you set a DS/A there is an edit notice that stops with a big red stop sign and gives you 2 links to check the DS/A set logs, and warns you of the sanctions for oversetting DS/As. Cheers!  15:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh, thank you. Corinne (talk) 15:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * . Codicil: On the first DS/A I attempted to set it just went right through without the normal edit filter notice warning, but the 2nd DS/A attempt by me the edit filter did stop me with the warning and when I double checked the logs, sure enough that user had gotten a warning on the 10th. Usually there is no evidence in the logs of priors and I go ahead and set them. I am going to report this anomaly to one of the admins on the forefront of the Edit Notice Filters. Paging Samwalton9. Cheers!   15:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Checkingfax. Not sure I entirely understand the issue here; could you provide me the diff for the edit you think should have given you a notice? I'll look into it. Sam Walton (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I see it. I think I see what the issue is so I'll bring up a discussion at EFN. Sam Walton (talk) 15:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Clara Henry
&mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 12:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

"Hanging chads"
What are you talking about, and what does non-breaking spaces and dashes implemented as TEMPLATES do to fix them? Too many unnessecary template calls. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . The-non-breaking-space-prevents-the-10-from-falling-off-from-the-Windows-at-a-line-break-especially-on-a-mobile-device. The template is the preferred method of invoking the non-breaking-space. Cheers!  16:37, 28 January 2016 (UTC)