User talk:Wiki Raja/ARYAN818

I have asked user ARYAN818 to show more civility, but he continues to show intolerance for other people’s ethnicity and heritage. Furthermore, he has posted one of his messages in between of couple of older messages on my talk page, which I find disruptive. I have responded to all his messages diplomatically. Below, is my last response to his latest message summing up his previous messages:

To ARYAN818 :


 * Posted on User talk:Wiki Raja:
 * "Well anything can be an ethnic group....But Indians are not Dravidian....Nobody calls themself Dravidian...And some probably dont even know what it means....And again....Why do u keep telling me about the word India?....I never disputed who coined the name India....BUt I dont understand why u keep telling me about India......And I have been very civil what are u talking about?......Bottom line....THere is an Aryan heriatge....but not a Dravidian heritage...." ARYAN818 07:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

My reply to above message:

To whom exactly is this statement “anything” referring to? Are we considered as "things" now? Is this in regards to the name ‘’Dravidian’’, or the indigenous people of Southern India? OK, let us set aside the word ‘’Dravidian’’ and not think of that now. Logically speaking, who are we? Yes, as a nationality we can say ‘’Indians’’, but I am not talking about nationality. I understand what nationality is. However, on the other hand linguistically speaking, it is more than obvious that the languages and language scripts of North and South India are totally different like night and day so we do not need to get into that. Now, on the lines of ethnicity, who are we? Are the Tamils, Telugus, Malayalees, and the Kannadigas Aryan? If we are not Aryan, then to what ethnic family do we belong? What is our heritage? Do we not have our own heritage? Why do I keep mentioning about the word ‘’Indian’’ even though the term is not being disputed? Well, the reason is because that too is not an indigenous word, just like ‘’Dravidian’’ is not an indigenous word. Therefore, both terms ‘’Indian’’ and ‘’Dravidian’’ fall in the same category of being named from non indigenous or outside sources. For some odd reason, the fact that the word ‘’India’’ itself is not an indigenous name is blatantly avoided. On the other hand, the term ‘’Dravida’’ gets attacked at every given moment. Furthermore, the term ‘’Dravida’’ is mentioned in Sanskrit sources like the Vedas, while the term ‘’India’’ is not mentioned in any South Asian literature (be it Sanskrit, Hindi, Tamil, Bengali, Punjabi,etc.). The people who should be concerned or, if so, upset about the term ‘’Davidian’’ are the people who are categorized as ‘’Dravidians’’ themselves.


 * Posted on Talk:Dravidian people:
 * I cant believe there are still people who think there are people who call themselves Dravidian.....THe term Dravidian is a racist term made up by Euorpeans....In India nooooobody calls themself Dravidian.....I live in America and ive never met one person from south India who says there Dravidian.....I dont know anyone that takes pride in saying there Dravidian......And a big chunk of people dont even know what a Dravidian means!......Dont u people get it by now!....Its 2006!.....The Aryan invasion theory is a joke.....ANd the label of Dravidian is a joke to!.....Brrrrrrrruah Punjab India! ARYAN818 22:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

My reply to above message:

I cannot believe that someone would post something like this on Wikipedia. First your statement "the term Dravidian is a racist term made up by Europeans..." is an accusation against the Europeans and calling them racist. "Dont u people get it by now!..." is posted. Just what on earth is that supposed to mean? "u people"? Is this statement directed towards us, or the ethnic groups in Southern India? And then the message is ended with, "Brrrrrrrruah Punjab India!"? Correct me if I am wrong, but am I sensing some kind of superiority aura here?


 * Posted on User talk:Wiki Raja
 * "U asked me if I consider the Punjabis & Tamils the same group of people.....today no.....In the bigger picture....yes...they are the same." ARYAN818 23:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

My reply to above message:

What exactly does "in the bigger picture" supposed to mean? I'm sorry, not everybody thinks the same, or can read other peoples minds, but please be more descriptive. The more we discuss into detail about the ethnic cultures of India, the weirder and eerie it gets. Now, I am not talking about the name ARYAN818. In the first place nothing crossed my mind about that particular user name since I understand that it stands for Indo-Arya. There is already a disclaimer message in bold face cap letters on your site. It is not the user name that is offending people, it is this discourteous attitude of intolerance towards other people’s cultures and heritage, and I am not talking about nationality. The above statement posted on my user talk page sends me the message that the indigenous people of Southern India in general do not exist, and should not exist.

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Wiki Raja 08:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)