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Bindows framework
Wiki editors systematically delete articles about Bindows, and any reference to Bindows in the "Ajax Framework" article. Other products (smaller, less advanced, less popular, etc) are freely listed (both as article and as references in the "Ajax Framework" article).

Bindows is the pioneer Ajax framework, and one of the market leaders with thousands of users, worldwide. Bindows is one of the richest and most complete Ajax frameworks and is the only framework with full support for accessibility for the visually impaired (US law Section-508) in Ajax environment. The link, a technical article, and a short description are being consistently deleted by you.

Not listing Bindows in an Ajax JavaScript article, while listing other frameworks is misleading and discriminatory. All requests for explanation have not been answered. You have my email and I welcome an explanation from you.helpme
 * See notability and the below message.  Mi r a n da   18:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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helpmeHi Miranda, I went over all the links, and the articles I submitted comply with all of them. Please advise how I can repost the articles and the links. Thanks Wikiajax 19:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

helpmeHi, I went over all the links, and the articles I submitted comply with all of them. Please advise how I can repost the articles and the links. Thanks Wikiajax 11:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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Ohnoitsjamie - you are misleading and discriminating
Wiki editors (you included!) systematically delete articles about Bindows, and any reference to Bindows in the "Ajax Framework" article. Bindows is the pioneer Ajax framework, and one of the market leaders with thousands of users, worldwide. Bindows is an innovative, unique, and one of the richest and most complete Ajax frameworks. In addition it is the only framework with full support for accessibility for the visually impaired (Section-508 of the US law ) in Ajax environment. The link, a technical article, and a short description are being consistently deleted by you.

Not listing Bindows in an Ajax JavaScript article, while listing other frameworks (not as rich, less advanced, less popular, etc.) is misleading and discriminatory. All my requests for explanation have not been answered. You have my email and I welcome an explanation from you.

Partial List of Similar Products Listed in Wikipedia
Please use the same standards - either delete those as well, or undelete Bindows.

jQuery, Prototype, Yahoo! UI Library, Dojo Toolkit, qooxdoo, Clean AJAX, Ext (javascript library), Spry framework, Script.aculo.us.

Help me
helpme
 * You have not asked a question. Sandstein 18:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I assume you're looking for more help in reference to the above messages since you didn't post a question with your latest tag. I've reviewed your contributions, and suggest that for more help you consult these policy pages. They seem to be the ones that apply most here and should hopefully provide you with some assistance. If not, feel free to leave me a comment on my talk page.
 * Neutral point of view
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 * If you'd like a more specific answer, please feel free to add another helpme tag and make sure to include a question with it. Thanks, and happy editing. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 18:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason the references you were adding were being removed is because they were blatantly promotional. When you add content to Wikipedia, it needs to be completely neutral, not biased for or against the subject. The articles you referenced such as jQuery are neutral. If they mention the features of the product, it's not done in a way that could be seen as advertising. When you were adding references to Bindows, it sounded as though you were trying to convince people to use or buy the product. For example, here you kept talking about the accessibility of Bindows as though it were a new feature on a car you were buying (ok, maybe not, but that should help you get the idea). I know you provided a reference to your claims, but the reference you provided was directly related to Bindows. You need to find a source independent of Bindows, such as a news article or other form of Reliable Source that can attest to that information in a clearly unbiased manner so that it can be easily verified.
 * While we're on this subject, could I ask if you're in any way involved with the Bindows project? Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

helpme Thanks for your reply.

The content I added is 100% factual and technical and very neutral. The accessibility support in Bindows is UNIQUE in the Ajax world (many claimed it is impossible to implement) and for the FIRST time it enables people with impaired eyesight to use Ajax sites and applications. Here's an article from Federal Computing Week magazine that can attest to that information in a clearly unbiased manner so that it can be easily verified FCW on Bindows Accessibility. A simple Google search on Bindows will provide you with more than 500,000 result, most of them from neutral sources (this can also attest that the information I provided is clearly unbiased). Please advise how I should proceed.

Yes, I am very familiar with the Bindows project.

Even when people not related to the Bindows project posted articles or links to it they were immediately removed as spam! Wikiajax 14:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have read your edits and I have to tell you, that an average reader like me can feel, that your heart is with this software. This does not mean, that your edits have to be wrong, but it makes everybody nervous. Wikipedia strives for neutrality. This means that a reader should not know, whether the editor was someone, who liked the product, but tried to be neutral or someone, who hated the product, but also tried to be neutral. Reading your edits, everybody could feel, that you really like the product. This makes me, the average reader, question the truth about the content of your edit, because I do not know about it and only see, that you are not neutral. Perhaps you could show your edit here, before you add it to the article and tell them about your problems. This project´s members are those, who work with the computer related articles. They can tell you, what´s wrong with your content and, if you write within the "edit summary" of the article "approved by WikiProject Computer - see project´s talkpage", your edit should not be removed again. --Thw1309 19:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

MB Technologies Bindows
MB Technologies Bindows is a commercial software development framework for Ajax, and Web 2.0 Rich Internet Applications.
 * Bindows can generate web applications with the exact look-and-feel of Windows applications.
 * Bindows applications are zero-footprint. They require no end-user downloads (no Java, Flash, plug-ins, or ActiveX are used).

The Bindows framework is based on Dynamic HTML and the programming language used is JavaScript as Application Description Files (ADF), and executed at the client's end. When the web application is run, the scripts are downloaded from the server as XML files known as Application Description Files (ADF), and executed at the client's end.

The framework follows the Swing programming and DOM architecture models. Class names start with 'Bi', e.g.,,  , etc. The name Bindows comes from a combination of browser and windows.

Bindows applications are agnostic to:
 * Server - any server (Java, .NET, PHP, etc. can be used with Bindows)
 * Backend platform - Any backend hardware and backend software
 * Operating system - Any operating system can be used on the client (as long as it includes a supported browser)
 * Language - All languages supported. Bindows supports Unicode
 * Browser - most browsers are supported (i.e., Internet Explorer 5.5 and higher, Mozilla 1.4 and higher, Netscape 7.1 and higher, Firefox, K-Meleon, and Camino)

Charting & Vector Graphics
Bindows supports client-side charting in all supported browsers. Thecharts are rich, scalable and dynamic (animations), and can be extended and enhanced:


 * Line charts
 * Columns and bars
 * Pie charts
 * Stacked columns and bars
 * Percentage stacked columns and bars
 * Gauges
 * Grids

Vector Graphics

Bindows implements the charts, graphs, gauges and more in both VML and SVG. They are dynamic, live and executed on the client side. Bindows presents a unified, object oriented API for creating rich business graphics in all supported browsers. Developers can create complex graphics without having to deal with all the quirks of different formats and different browsers. Live sample

Animation Library
Bindows animation library enables adding animations to any Bindows components - thus creating visual effects like pulsating buttons, fade-ins, fade-outs, animated movement and resizes. Bindows animations can be synchronized with each other and can use various acceleration curves. A simple and straightforward API lets you create special animator objects, then associate them with your components, making them animated.

Advanced Gauges
Bindows BiGauge2 class library is a comprehensive, object oriented class library for creating dynamic and advanced gauges that can contain several ranges, scales, dynamically updatable needles and more.

It also has classes for creating advanced gradients, backgrounds and image backgrounds. Since gauges are created using vector graphics, now you can dynamically update almost every property of a gauge, including the needles. This enables presentation of almost real-time updates in gauges

Section-508 Accessibility
Bindows provides enhanced support for section 508 accessibility compliance. Bindows 2.0 enables developers to reach all audiences effectively and efficiently by building Ajax and Web 2.0 applications that meet Government and international standards for accessibility.

The Bindows framework enables development of Ajax and Web 2.0 applications that work with leading screen readers, such as JAWS, without requiring any download or installation (zero-footprint).

Internationalization & Localization
Bindows provides full support for internationalization and localization. Localized Bindows applications (including combined locales) are in use across the globe. Several Bindows localized sites are listed in the External Links below.

Next Major Release
Next major release of Bindows (code name "Torne") will include:


 * Two-directional data binding
 * Visual layout development tool

Versions

 * 0.9 - 2003 August
 * 1.1 - 2004 February
 * 1.20 - 2004 August
 * 1.25 - 2004 November
 * 1.3 - 2005 February
 * 1.5 - 2005 July
 * 1.51 - 2005 September
 * 2.0 - 2006 June
 * 2.5 - 2006 October
 * 2.55 - 2006 December
 * 3.0 - 2007 May
 * Torne (code name) - due in 2007

Adds-on Tools

 * Bindows Benchmarking - available (free)
 * Bindows Linker
 * Bindows Compiler
 * Bindows IntelliJ Plugin

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Answer helpme
helpme Thanks, below is my edit - could a wiki technical editor please comment on it, or approve it?
 * I just don't think this article is going to cut it. It was already deleted at AfD twice, and clearly lacks secondary sources to establish notability.  When and if the product meets the notability guidelines, an editor unrelated to the product will write a sourced article, I'm sure.  Cheers, &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 19:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

helpme What secondary sources are needed? articles about the product in the press? References in other sites?

Compared with existing edits in wiki: jQuery, Prototype, Yahoo! UI Library, Dojo Toolkit, qooxdoo, Clean AJAX, Ext (javascript library), Spry framework, Script.aculo.us.

I do not see why they meet the notability guidelines and Bindows doesn't. Please use the same standards - either delete those as well, or publish the Bindows edit. Wikiajax 13:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, you need reliable, secondary sources that are easily verifiable, such as an unsolicited news article in a reputable news paper or online journal. Press releases from whoever makes Bindows doesn't count, nor do pages that simply link to Bindows' pages without providing any more information. These questions have been answered for you before, and are still on this page. I HIGHLY suggest you read through the relevant policies, which are linked throughout this page, including in this message, before you continue to post any additional articles. Thank you for your understanding. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 13:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

helpme Here are various unsolicited news article from reputable news papers or online journal:


 * SD Times detailed review of the coming InfiView 1.5, by Jeff Feinman http://www.sdtimes.com/article/latestnews-20070901-05.html


 * InfoWorld magazine (November 27, 2006 issue) selected Bindows as one of the top four Ajax toolkits in the market: http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/11/27/48FEajax_1.html See the Bindows Weather Station (gauges) on the cover page of the magazine.


 * DevSource Bindows Delivers Really Cool UI Enhancements (John Mueller August 27, 2006) http://www.devsource.com/article2/0,1895,2008931,00.asp


 * AjaxWorld Magazine AJAX Starts To Grow Up and Bindows Helps (Dion Hinchcliffe Jun. 21, 2006) http://web2journal.com/read/187444.htm


 * Federal Computer Week Bindows 2.0 provides Section 508 tools for developers (Wade-Hahn Chan June 13, 2006)  http://www.fcw.com/article94879-06-13-06-Web


 * Web 2.0 Journal A detailed write-up about the Bindows Ajax Framework by Dion Hinchcliffe, editor-and-chief at Web 2.0 Journal and one of the most influential industry analysts and reporters in this space: http://web2journal.com/read/187444.htm.

Wikiajax 14:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * In my estimation, only the InfoWorld source can be used to help establish some notability, and it's a stretch.  What it boils down to is that you do not appear interested in improving Wikipedia for its own sake, but rather in advertising a product.  Most experienced wiki editors and administrators have very little patience for that.  We have a conflict of interest policy that prohibits people from editing or creating articles on topics that they are personally invested in.  Please let it go.  When and if this software meets the notability guideline, someone unrelated to the product will create a well-sourced article.  New articles are created all the time, believe me.  The fact that some similar software does have articles on Wikipedia is hardly evidence of some vast conspiracy to suppress information about your product, but rather it just means that we haven't gotten around to deleting them yet.


 * If your product's marketing campaign depends on having an article on Wikipeida about it, perhaps you should rethink your business plan. Please drop the stick and step away from the dead horse.  If you're interested in improving the article about your favorite sports team, or subject you studied in school, or television program, we'll be happy to help.  Cheers, &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 15:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

helpme You said: "The fact that some similar software does have articles on Wikipedia is hardly evidence of some vast conspiracy to suppress information about your product, but rather it just means that we haven't gotten around to deleting them yet."

I do not see any editors deleting the articles about similar software. This is my point from the start (and for a very long time now): you are not consistent, you mislead the readers, and you unjustly censor contributions.

In an article about Ajax Frameworks you should (IMHO) either:
 * Not list any frameworks (in the name of objectivity)
 * List all the major frameworks
 * Provide a link to a comprehensive list of all the frameworks (which I did - and you removed)

Many people start their search for Ajax Framework at Wikipedia, and your current article (which you work so hard, and so diligently to keep Bindows and InfiView away from it) does them a big disservice. Wikiajax