User talk:Wikibiohistory/Archive 2

Emanuel Scrope, 1st Earl of Sunderland
Very nice addition to this article, Wikibiohistory. If you do not mind I added a reference which talks about some of the content you added. It also mentions, however, that "She (Annabella) was legitimised by an act of Charles II on 1st June, 1663, obtaining the rank and precedence of an earl's daughter." so I am curious which Charles is correct 1st or 2nd. Nevertheless, the content you added is outstanding and validates the concept and goal of wikipedia. Daytrivia 23:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not at all, and please feel free to add more content and references! I need to add references, which I have. Unfortunately, I did not have the time, after putting in a full day of work and then working on other articles. I will check on the actual date later; Annabella and her two sisters were all legitimated and raised to the rank of an earl's daughters by Royal Letters Patent, if I recall correctly.

Claire Baring
Hi. At Giles Baring, with the new info on Claire Baring, who's alive, would it be possible to add a reference? I'm just a bit wary of personal details (like who people live with) unless they are in the public domain.

NB: Claire Baring isn't Claire Ward, I've undabbed that.

regards, Xn4 12:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Please check it out now, with references to Mrs Ward in two obituaries from The Times and The Guardian as well as a recent story on her in The Daily Mail. I am sorry but I cannot add more references right now. Thanks for correcting the reference to Claire Ward (I forgot about the politician).
 * Regards
 * wikibiohistory 13:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all that, wikibiohistory. Echoes of The Spoils of Poynton, and we are bound to take the side of those who serve frozen fish pie to Tony and Cherie Blair. Xn4 18:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

RE:Hope you are feeling better
Thank you for the kind message. I enjoyed working on the article a lot and it's great to know that you enjoyed reading it. Best Wishes, Havelok  07:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article made it to GA a few mins ago! Havelok  22:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the warm remarks, Havelok  21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Henriques family
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Taking some time off
I have had a less than pleasant experience with one of my articles today. After I wrote out a long defense of why I chose to quit editing for a while, I decided against putting it up on the relevant article's talk page. I have problems with the attitudes of some editors, who assume that it is easy to find sources and references, based on their own life experiences. The first such pinch was a minor one, and I was immediately supported by another editor. The second time (today) has been not so pleasant, and worse still, it has been one of the articles on which I spent the most time.

Not all of us are living in North America or Western Europe, and that some of us may be living (temporarily, we hope) on tight budgets. This is the first time that I have experienced this, by the way, on Wikipedia. Those of us not living in wealthier countries want to contribute to Wikipedia, but if access to good libraries or Interlibrary loan (ILL) is a must, this editor, at least, must drop out of Wikipedia.

Here are the facts:-


 * ILL: I cannot get ILL books, because a) I am not currently in the United States (or even in North America or in Europe); b) I am not currently in academia, and c) I don't have access even to a good public library which can get me ILL. The American Center and the British Council here are pathetic in terms of good classical history sources. I am using what sources I have and have to rely on what I can get. My interest in Roman history articles  on Wikipedia doesn't consume me so much that I am prepared to battle layers of bureaucracy and beg mere acquaintances to get me ILL books and articles through their university accounts, and pay through the nose twice for them. It is simply not that easy for some of us.


 * Used books: For a variety of reasons, including the fact that I am in a low-paying job (as far as Americans are concerned) I don't have a lot of spare money to buy used books. Books also get stolen en route; I have had this happen too many times and have lost too much money. Buying them and shipping them from North America (even by mail bag) costs a lot since academic books are notoriously heavy. I cannot afford to buy used books from the sites where I used to pick up books.  I have to wait and pick up books at sales here and there.  Unfortunately, not all of us are able to get the books we want.


 * Checking the ultimate sources: I certainly know about them, since I was educated in the United States all the way through graduate school.

I am not sure if I will be around Wikipedia very much for the next few weeks in any case. First, I need to take a break from both Wikipedia and generally online activities. Second, I need to decide whether I want to continue to edit (in terms of adding substantial information) on Wikipedia, or move my work to my own site.

I am interested in building articles on all consuls during the period 290 BC to 130 BC, and I sense there isn't that much interest on Wikipedia. The work I am doing right now is out of my free time, and I thought I would share what I found via Wikipedia. I was using WP:WIARM (Ignore All Rules) in an effort to start articles first, where I had something to add.

wikibiohistory 17:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Issues regarding sources and verification
This is a separate point, which now irritates me when I find editors who like to go by the book.


 * I find it annoying, to say the least, that an editor quotes a page (not the best page at that), without providing a specific and useful reference on that page. I finally found out for myself what sins I had committed (and they appear relatively minor, compared to my sin of using Usenet messages for nobility-related articles, and JSTOR articles for other Roman history articles, which the editor did not catch). If anyone is going to cite chapter and verse, they should do just that (and cite the right chapter too). For those interested in citing sources for history articles (and pitfalls therein), I found some useful links to Wikipedia policies on my user page.


 * Actually, considering the stated Wikipedia policy, I find it laughable that Usenet messages from known posters are considered less reliable and in fact unreliable, compared to a newspaper report which relies heavily on these same people. Why? Because I have met these Usenet posters in person, and corresponded with them. I have read their printed works, that use newspaper reports and reference works as well as first-hand research as their sources. So a Daily Telegraph report is more reliable than a well-known (in his or her field) genealogist posting online in a Usenet group.  That really limits what I can do in terms of adding to nobility biographies.

wikibiohistory 17:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Very interesting - none but my first change made
I don't know what happened, but none of my changes apart from my first save were made. Either something is wrong with Wikipedia, or something else is going on... The ironic thing is that last night the changes showed up; this morning they are gone!

Very frustrating. I think I now need to copy everything I do to a different site as an archive.

wikibiohistory (talk) 03:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Megullia Dotata
Your input would be appreciated at Megullia Dotata. --Doug talk 12:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
May this season bring you success, good times and happiness. Looking forward to working with you in the future. Hαvεlok  беседа   мансарда  07:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Ashoke Kumar Sen
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another nom.

 * ...that General Anthony Bacon, hero of Waterloo, resigned his commission in protest when the colonelcy of the 17th Lancers was purchased by Lord Lucan (later of Balaclava fame)? Wikibiohistory OK? Victuallers (talk) 17:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)