User talk:Wikibofh/Archive2

Hello!
I just read your comment concerning the user Gavil/Gabriel et al. This lead me to your user page and while scrolling down I noticed your taxobox. Check out the on I got off of another user a couple days ago. I used it on (so far) the [Calabar Python] and Woma Python articles. It looks pretty good and works Also, how were you able to copy the actual text code for the one you have on your user page? I tried copying and pasting to mine but it just put in the taxobox like you would see in the article space. And another question you might answer, why isn't the link the [Calabar Python] showing up on this post? I been checking this for a few minutes and the article is there. I have no idea why. Spelling is checked. I'll check back here for replies. Thanks! Hamster Sandwich 19:20, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Howdy! The [Calabar Python] articles aren't linking because you're missing a set of square brackets, like Calabar Python.  :)  As for getting the actual text to show up it is pretty easy, you just need to tell the wiki not to format it.  For small blocks you can use the   tags (you also have to close it with a similarly formated /nowiki (ie with the ><).  It's hard to show these so the don't get formatted.  :)  For a larger section like I use, I simply use pre and /pre tags (with ><) around.  The pre stuff is pure html, so I just knew that.  For other things I learn a lot by editting the page that has something on it, and then just not saving.  Ie, use edit to view the code. HTH  Wikibofh 19:58, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Well thanks for the advice, I'm going to stare at it for a bit... See you 'round the wiki!. Hamster Sandwich 21:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you have the wiki's email address so I can tell it? The fact that I have no comprhension of your (very kind) response reflects rather poorly on my talents in data manipulation voo doo, I'm afraid. Which is why my user page looks so boring and there are no pics or illustrations in the articles I've started. :(
 * Wikiformat is a strange thing. You'll get used to it.  I'm not sure what you mean by wiki's email.  If you use that little box to the left when you're on this page or my user page, click on the E-mail this user, voila, it will get to me in some other corner of cyberspace.  Always glad to help.  Wikibofh 00:11, August 12, 2005 (UTC)


 * Just wondering if you restored the comments that were deleted by Gabe/Gav in the past few minutes. He dosn't seem to be grasping the serious nature of this kind of manipulation of remarks. Thanks again for the advice the other day, as well! See ya 'round! Hamster Sandwich 06:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please disregard my last comment. SlimVirgin has speedily restored the missing text. Hamster Sandwich 06:14, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Must have missed them while I was editing. *shakes head*  I try to be polite and understanding, but he just doesn't seem to get it.  Wikibofh 06:17, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

A Thank you to Wikibofh
Thanks for trying to help on the Lithuania Minor revert wars. Please bring cavalry and help us end Lithuania revert wars! (Feel free to delete after reading.) Coll7 05:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Mount Ecclesia
Thank you dear Wikibofh for your suggestion in order to comply it to higher standards. It is not my intention to write an article, but just a section as it is in the main article, focusing some key aspects given from my perspective, perspective of a foreign Friend of "Mount Ecclesia" work around the world. My English language skills are not "up to date" to write in way more formal but it is a task I proposed myself to do related to these subjects according to knowledge of them I have acquired. So I ask you my friend if you may aid on this small task rewriting the section to a higher standard but without loosing the ideas and empathy from anonymous friends, as myself, towards "The Ecclesia" intended to get through to users, as information, in each paragraph? Please do accept this small request related to those brief lines on Mount Ecclesia; Thank you once more.


 * I didn't have a problem with you adding it. It's mostly the copyedit work to make it neutral and cleaning up some of the language.  That's not my strong point, so I added the template so that hopefully other people could take a look at it and help.  I think some of the religion stuff is a bit too much, but I think we can get edits that still try to get the points you're working on across.  Also, if you make an account for yourse it will be easier to communicate.  :)  Wikibofh 22:02, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is now cleaned-up: from a rather emotive way into a more NPOV information way. Thank you for your kind orientation and attention. --GalaazV 12:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. It looks much better.  Wikibofh 15:01, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

commons:Image:Avenger 250x200.jpg
Since WikiCommons do not allow fair use images, I suggest you upload this to en: Wikipedia, just like other similar photos of monster trucks. Regards, Thuresson 04:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I realized that after I had done the upload. I've uploaded the others to en.wikipedia and was coming back to tag that as speedy (as I'm the uploader).  I'll get that done pronto so we can clear it out.  Thanks.  Wikibofh 04:47, August 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I noticed that you uploaded similar photos to Wikipedia instead so I assumed you made a mistake. Thuresson

List of Ultimate Leagues
Thanks. I appreciate your comments. Zoe 17:52, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

ArtistShare

 * Hi, that's good info to cite and yes it does change my mind, but it will need to be included in the article, are you happy to do this yourself? (I've done enough 'from the jaws of death' jobs today. Alf 00:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a shot. in the next few days.  The article is bad, but regrettably notable.  :)  Thanks for taking a look.  Wikibofh 00:08, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Did it a few days ago. Wikibofh 05:10, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

"We ain't doing this no more?"
The name of the country in English above the infobox. It seems to me at one point the norm was to have the longform name of the country in the native language(s) and then in English. Or have I been drinking paint thinner again? &mdash;Wiki Wikardo


 * I'm not sure what the standard is for that. I'll see if I can't research.  I didn't have a problem with that, it was that so many other changes got incorporated in by that change.  Wikibofh 02:55, August 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, so I've looked at this, and it seems to me to be both the standard and a good idea. Now, we just need to do it without introducing a bunch of other changes.  I just did it.  Hope it looks fine.  Wikibofh 05:01, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Comment from
Posting nonsense?

Come on, the only thing I did was just erease offensive comments on the "Mexico" article page.

Would you like it if I posted those things on the US article page?

No, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siegfried Waldgrave (talk • contribs) 17:22, August 31, 2005


 * I don't know, sure seems like this edit is pure vandalism. Doesn't matter to me where you post them, they're vandalism. Wikibofh 17:27, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Not so amusingly, it turns out I was the one adding it. My fault, apologies follow on this page. Wikibofh 17:43, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Mexico
Why are you adding this to Mexico which is clearly vandalsim: '''If you are mexican and you are reading this then go back to the field and pick my pumpkins. latta homie'''

Yeah, Wikibofh, it looks like you got on the wrong side of reverting - you are reverting to the wrong version. I'm assuming good faith/no malice, just letting you know because I saw you were warning people for removing the vandalism that you keep (I'm assuming accidentally) putting back. Examples: and  --Golbez 17:33, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, you didn't strike me as a vandal. Have a nice day, SqueakBox 17:34, August 31, 2005 (UTC)


 * Here is my original revert. Where I didn't see that Graemel had the wrong version. Wikibofh

Vandalism?
Look, how can you not see the offensive comment there:

'''If you are mexican and you are reading this then go back to the field and pick my pumpkins. latta homie''' ==

That's blatant vandalism!! Plus it has nothing to do with the article!! And it's bolded!! for god's sake...

I'm just trying to delete it but you just keep warning me :(


 * I see we're going the wrong way. You're right.  My apologies.  I'll put it on your talk page as well.  I was honestly trying to get rid of it.  :)  Wikibofh 17:39, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Really, I don't want to bother you, but please delete those comments from the article page.


 * They should be gone.  saw I was going to the wrong version and reverted to the correct version.  Again, my apologies. Wikibofh 17:43, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad, thank you!


 * No problem. Again, sorry for the mixup.  Wikibofh 17:50, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

DJ Clayworth
Hi! I removed the comment from DJ'S user page, but I didn't think to leave a copy on his talk page. It seemed like a vandal rather than an actual memo or note. I suppose it's better to have a record of the comment, in case anybody would want to take formal action against the critical individual. Anyways, next time I think to revert a user page, do you think I should leave a copy on the talk page? I'm still trying to figure out proper protocol. Thanks! Hamster Sandwich 04:47, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree it seemed like a vandal. My thoughts are to move it to the talk page and let the owner decide what they want to do.  As a general rule I leave people's home and talk pages alone, I figure they can defend themselves.  :)  In this case I wanted to make it known since the sig was different than the contributor.  I was going to have to add the unsigned template anyway, so I figured I'd move it.  I'd done the cut to do the paste as you reverted the page, so I didn't worry about the second part.  I'm not sure there is a protocol about this, and we have enough other protocols that I just try to do what is right and let it sort itself out.  I also cut-n-pasted the same thing into the other users' talk pages this vandal did.  It's not the exact text, but it was faster, they can see it, and it conveyed the meaning so they are alert.  Regards.  Wikibofh 04:52, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well it's just some guy who seems to really despise Gamaliel. I blocked the IP indefinitely, in fact. I don't think it was necessary to keep that vandalism on anyone's page. Adam Bishop 04:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable. I don't see IPs blocked indefinitely very often so I take the "forewarned is forearmed" approach.  Especially since I can't do the blocking.  You can, I think that also makes sense.  IMO, whatever causes the least disruption to the most editors is the best.  Wikibofh 05:04, September 3, 2005 (UTC)


 * The same user had hit Adam Bishops page about a minute before DJ's but Meelar beat me to the punch in reverting the comment (same comment BTW) but the user had signed his comment at Bishop's page. Gamielel? something like that. I just try to fight the vandals at the user and talk pages of the editors whos pages I am watching. What you are saying is that the vandal signed with someone else's sig? An imposter or something? I had a problem recently with a Hamster Sandwich. signed with a period at the end. Luckily, enough people on WP know I'm not likely to go to Hillary Clinton and edit in a comment like, "She's Hot!" or like nonsense... See ya 'round! Hamster Sandwich 05:01, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Philomena
Please stop vandalizing the Philomena page: First warning.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae17:18, September 8, 2005 (talk • contribs)

Reverting to the consensus version (which is not copyvio, POV and OR) is not vandalizing. Wikibofh 19:49, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

DeSales
Hi. Remember those infamous teacher profiles from the DeSales High School article? I wonder if they could be brought back as a section on the page. I'm not sure whether I will do that, but I wanted to know if it was fine rather than get into another mess. Thanks. --D-Day 21:32, September 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * I think having teacher profiles as a section in the article is great. If the article itself gets too big we can even break it out into a single page for all of them.  The previous objection was to an article for every one of them.  If they were good pieces in their own section that got too big, I don't see any issue with that.  Thanks for asking! Wikibofh 23:39, September 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I don't know if/when it will happen, but I knew it was better to get advice BEFORE I acted. I didn't want to repateat that ugly mess from before. --D-Day 17:25, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the userpage cleanup. Very kind. Joyous (talk) 16:00, September 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. Wikibofh 22:58, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Expansion theory
I've protected it. Sorry it languished this long in an edit war -- very frustrating. I personally am of the opinion that, since this anon IP keeps removing the AFD notice, it ought to be protected through the end of the vote. Other admins may disagree, but I will advocate for its continued protection. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 23:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I saw you protected it. Thanks.  I think 23 reverts might be a new record.  :) Wikibofh 23:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Insect picture links...
''Copied from User talk:Pollinator I saw your comment on removing the link. I considered removing it, but if you look at the license for the photos on the sight, they are released with something that looks compatible with GFDL to me (as opposed to some of the photos behind the other links). For someone who can identify the species the images might be useful in some of our articles, so I left it so that perhaps we could use it to upgrade other items. Wikibofh 04:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I would not be adverse to returning the link, if that page editor is willing to do a bit of cleanup. I realize that we aren't responsible for the content of sites we link to, but that was a bit too blatant an error for me - on a site that supposedly is all about insects. Pollinator 15:51, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Joseph Smith, Jr. Article
Thank you for your interest in the JS, Jr. article. I was aware of the anon.'s series of edits, but hadn't yet interferred. Participants in the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement seek to encourage anon. and other editors as much as possible, and so we try to incorporate their changes (if possible) to make them feel welcome. The material this anon was adding is fairly innocuous (by any standards) and is actually pretty well known stuff in LDS/Mormon cultures. So, it is unlikely the anon. would have had sources to hand. Whether it would have stayed as long term elements of the article is another matter, of course. Even so, thanks for your vigilance. Joseph Smith and other LDS related articles get vandalized regularly, and the more "eyes" out the better. Best wishes. WBardwin 20:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I thought one out of the 3 of the edits was innocuous. The other two:
 * Nauvoo became the model for many communities in the western United States.
 * At the start of the following session, Smith would begin at the very point where he had left off, never asking for the previous session's writings to be read back to him.


 * appeared to me to be at best POV. I do try to make sure I don't bite anons, and I know how tough this series of articles is (it seems to engender strong feelings on other side) but I did not think those edits belonged.  The other was just caught in the middle.  If consensus disagrees with that (especially project) I would clearly go with that. I have just welcomed the annon, FWIW.  :)  Wikibofh 21:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe a little point of view -- but actually based on some known facts and accounts.
 * Nauvoo became the model for many communities in the western United States. Nauvoo's city platt design, by Joseph Smith, has been cited in architectural journals over the years and even used in selected areas of the country.  It was also used extensively as a model for founding communities in the Great Basin by the LDS population, and is still apparent in most Utah communities.
 * At the start of the following session, Smith would begin at the very point where he had left off, never asking for the previous session's writings to be read back to him. Documented in a number of contemporary journals and accounts, including Oliver Cowdery and Emma Hale Smith, if memory serves.

Thanks for welcoming the newbie -- sounds like I should join you and direct them to the LDS wikiproject. Best WBardwin 21:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * If both of these are the case, then it should be easy to cite. :)  I just did a quick google trying to find something on the impact of the Nauvoo design and didn't see anything relevant.  I'm not claiming you aren't right, just I can't verify it, so we should get a good source.  I think the second one would be more contentious because the contemporary accounts are going to be criticized (obviously enough) by critics as unreliable.  Looking at it, I think most of that section should be removed and should point to the main article of Book of Mormon where it can get a more complete treatment.  Comments?  Wikibofh 21:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I can surely find a paper source for the Nauvoo design thing -- most of the city planning material predates the internet. I grew up in a little Idaho town based on the Nauvoo design.  And most of Utah's major cities -- with their infamous numbered grids -- are based on the same idea.


 * Here's one possible article -- will have to read it. Enders, Donald L., "Plotting the City Beautiful: A Historical and Archaeological Glimpse of Nauvoo Streets" (1979), BYU Studies, 19:3:409.


 * The other material -- well, contemporary accounts are all we have. This is a problem in most historical/religious areas.  No documentation other than that produced by movement members is generally available, and certainly no media reports.  So the account of the production of the Book of Mormon is going to be LDS oriented.  Critics, in significantly later periods, question the original sources, but we find little "questioning" material during the original time periods.


 * As for the content of the Joseph Smith article itself, most sections are summaries to the other articles. If we try cutting everything on a topic out, someone else comes along and puts it back in.  I think a lot of readers think of it as a generic Mormon article.  Drop by the project site -- we welcome people with different perspectives, and we have lots of viewpoints there.  Best............WBardwin 22:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Hell, I predate the internet. :)  If you have access to the paper copy of that, go ahead, grab it, summarize it and then stick a version of that sentence back in.  If you don't know, the book reference templates are useful for "offline" sources.  (You can find some of the ones that I use at my references).
 * Now, as for problems with "contemporary accounts", next thing you know you'll be bagging on the Bible! :)  I'm kidding.  I understand the problems.  I agree that constant referencing around can be problematic, but I have an issue with this article being the generic starting point.  I would argue that one of the variations on Latter Day Saints or even Mormonism is a much better "generic starting point"....although thinking about it, Jesus as a "generic starting point" for Christianity doesn't seem that far fetched.  Let me let that that stew.
 * I did drop by the project site and look around. There wasn't anything directly related to "don't bite the newbie" or this, so I didn't sign up.  Not really my style to sign up anyway but I may very well add it to my watch list.  Let me know what you think.  Wikibofh 00:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey moron
I'm a revisionist. Are you?

All of us revisionists agree that the Germans employed delousing chambers for killing lice with Zyklon B. Why won't you let me add this to the Holocaust_Denial page? Because it explains the reason Zyklon B was found at camps? It explains the shaving of hair? The stripping? The showers?

Gee, wouldn't that be inconvenient!
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.42.1 (talk • contribs) 18:36, September 22, 2005


 * Actually, his edit didn't look too over the top, but this reaction, along with edits like this seem to show a distinct lack desire to provide useful contributions. Wikibofh 02:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Cad-comic
Hey. In reply to your comment about Strip 2 of CAD-comic, it is definately a reference to Little Gamers. He 'admits' to it in Volume one of the book (Insert Coin).

Thanks for taking interest. :)

--RabidJackal 16:50, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Great. Good to know.  :)  Wikibofh 17:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

"Lynched"
Several times recently, I have reverted edits using the word "lynched" to describe JSmith's death (on the Joseph Smith, Jr. and Death of Joseph Smith, Jr. articles). I also noted your recent revert. Of course, it is an accurate word, given its general meaning: "to put to death by mob action without legal sanction." However, to general readers and editors, I think it implies death by hanging due to historic lynchings in the US Southern States. It is also a more POV word than "assassinated" or "killed." Given the word's accuracy, however, do you think we should continue to revert? Please reply on the talk page of Death of Joseph Smith, Jr. so others can join in the discussion. Thank you. WBardwin 05:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

RFA
I've been impressed by your Wikignomic work, and think you would make good use of administrative powers. Would you be willing to accept my nomination? N (t/c) 21:03, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I would. Thank you very much.  Wikibofh 21:07, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

otherkin
would you like to undo an anon edit that  pushes pov, and seems  almost vandaliscious for me on otherkin? the words placed are completely un nessessaqry....Gimmiet 23:01, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Gimmiet, please discuss this on Talk:Otherkin. Please do not try to enlist other users. N (t/c) 23:04, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I looked at the edits there and to be honest, the whole article looks to be a mess. I've conciously decided to stay out of that one.  However, I'll try to look at it over the next few days and figure out my thoughts on that.  Wikibofh 23:13, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 21:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Now I can use my powers for evil...muhahahaha...er...I mean good.  :)  Wikibofh 21:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats on adminship   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   23:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll try to keep doing good work.  :) Wikibofh 00:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) ( e ) 00:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and congrats!  Rob e  rt  00:23, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What's the big deal? It's only a mop... oh well, congrats. ;-) BD2412  talk 00:24, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not the size of the mop, it's how you use it. Yeah baby! :) Wikibofh 00:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, congratulations. Now go beat some vandals with your new cluestick. :-P N (t/c) 00:29, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Have no fear. I'll be blocking as soon as I make sure I've read everything.  There are a couple of persistent vandal only IPs on my list. Wikibofh
 * Congratulations, do you need any snow? CambridgeBayWeather 06:39, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * As I'm still a newcomer, Wikibofh was the first to welcome me. I still have his nice welcome page, although I realized later it's just a template he liked, but it was such a nice way to start the wikipedian I'm becomming that I can't help to like to hear that you've became an Administrator (I didn't even know they existed like that in here). :)  That's my way to say "grats!". --Cawas 13:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats (and the sandbox)
That's a nice button, hm? :-) --HappyCamper 01:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * *grin* Yep...I'm just trying to understand it, hence my use in the sandbox.  It's less useful than I suspected, since it doesn't appear to let me rollback to an arbitrary edit, just back one...but still, it's pretty nice.  :) Wikibofh 01:16, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know what you mean. Hey, if you ever need a hand, feel free to leave me a message. :-) --HappyCamper 01:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Will do. I'll probably go pretty slow to start out.  Wikibofh 01:21, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Question on a revert
Hello, I changed the formatting on List_of_Characters_in_The_Chronicles_of_Narnia and you reverted it. I was just wondering if there was a correct way to format that second paragraph of the list item. I looked on Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page but the best I could find there was inserting 2 line breaks. Otherwise the second paragraph looks like it is no longer part of the list.--Lsommerer 21:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah...ok...all I saw was the breaks, not the intent. What you want to do is return it once, and then preface it with a * .  That will turn it into a bullet, on its own like, and still look like part of the list.  Make sense?  Give it a try.  Sorry about the revert.  :)  Wikibofh 21:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I went back and was about to make the change you suggested, but instead just combined the two short paragraphs into one. Then the formatting issue went away.  --Lsommerer 21:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That works too. Normally the way I figured out formatting was finding an article that did what I wanted and then selecting Edit to look at how that one was done.  Good luck.  Feel free to bug me with any questions you have.  Wikibofh 21:52, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

E-mail
Check your e-mail :-) - let me know if it went through or not. --HappyCamper 23:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Got it. Replied.  Thanks.  Wikibofh 01:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Popups tool
Lupin|talk|popups 23:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll give it a try over the next few days.  Wikibofh 03:27, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Formatting guide

 * Please see my proposed warning templates for the formatting guide. // Pathoschild 10:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I like the colored bars on the side.  The biggest issue is making version of this for every vandal template, because there is test, spam, test#-n and blanking (which I don't remember).  Perhaps one idea would be to simplify this too.  The test and the -n could be fixed if it took an optional arg that was the page.  Wikibofh 15:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If this gains wide acceptance, we could simply change all the current warning templates to fit the guide. Failing that unlikely event, I can design a guide version of every warning template and, once they're agreed upon, move them parallel to the current templates. This way, users can simply add g to the template they wish to use ({{gtest1&#125;}, {{gtest1-n&#125;}, {{gblanking&#125;}, et cetera). I'll create a page to display all the warnings (both standard and guide) in one place, and post the link here. // Pathoschild 20:44, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Concerning the guide warning templates (see User:Pathoschild/templates/warnings/warnings for the list so far), I've resolved all but one of the issues I've personally found with my original rough versions. The remaining problem relates to a feature of the guide templates I'd very much like to retain: the same templates can be used to name a specific article (ie, {{test|User:Wikibofh}&#125;) or as a general warning (ie, {{test|}&#125;). This is accomplished using the conditional {{if}&#125; template to include or exclude "This message concerns the article ."

Ideally, warning templates should be subst'd on user talk pages. I'm uncertain if this should apply to {{if}&#125;; does it require the same server resources "normal" templates do? If so, is there a way to do the same without referring to the template (for example, perform the code entirely in the warning template when posted, without calling a second template)? The technical aspects, if possible, are beyond my grasping at the moment.

Although the conditional inclusion is one of the main changes I'm attempting with the guide templates, they defeat the point if they must be manually subst'd (twice!) after subst'ing the warning template itself. I'm going to continue experimenting, but my success is likely to be negligable on this aspect. Further, I know of no-one with the technical knowledge or skill to help. Do you (or do you know someone who might) have an idea on this? // Pathoschild 23:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

AfD for the NFL/NHL lists
I figure this might be a bit controversial, so I'm going to write up why I closed them the way I did.

The first thing that I did was to look at the individually. It looked like from there that there would probably not be consensus. However, since they all have roughly the same participants I decided to just treat them as a single large vote.

I then counted all of the votes (merge=keep) for all 4 and it came up 30 delete and 12 keep (71% delete, borderline consensus). I was concerned though about this number having repeated votes on the block of 4 skewing the numbers, so I went through all four and wrote down the unique users in one of the two vote catgories. This created a list of 15 delete votes (L.E., Rhio,Kjko,xol,MiB,Karma,J.Ngu,Happy,The Tom,Croat,Fvw,Jkell,Ryan,NLU,MCB) versus 8 keeps (Hoss,Jara,Master,Kappa,RGT,CLW,Anet,RogerD) which is 61%. No consensus. So, keep.

For the record, had I voted, it would have been for delete. I think the lists are inherently POV.

Wikibofh 17:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

This outcome disgusts me, disappoints me, and in no way surprises me. However, I can't fault the way you closed these. The Literate Engineer 01:25, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I guess this just shows me I should spend more time on AfD voting, because as I stated, I think they should have gone. Only so many wikihours.  Thanks for not just going off on me.  :)  Wikibofh 01:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, if you wanted me to, I could go off on a nitpicky rant about how you should've closed them as "no consensus" and not "keep", but I don't think either of us want that. Besides that, what's there to go off on you about?  The Literate Engineer 01:33, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, no consensus would have worked too. Of course, that is one of those "distinctions without a difference" things, since the result is the articles get kept.  :(  Wikibofh 01:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Easier to succeed on a no-consensus renomination, or so I've been told. 'Course, I'd like to see a policy requiring renomination of all no-consensus results (even GNAA) until consensus is reached, but I'm kind of alone in that, I think.  The Literate Engineer 01:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Reason Phoenix UFO Incident was mentioned:
The reason I had mentioned the fact that this city had undergone this incident was that I had seen this material on SEVERAL UFO sites,TV Documentaries(Have Satellite TV),heard about this on the radio,LIVE, as various callers called Art Bell during the show about the incident AS it was going on. This incident has been videotaped,photographed.I had even been to the Phoenix,AZ area, once while getting a $60,000 trailer (RV) fixed, the people were discussing this indident as if it were the Roswell Incident happening all over again. I travel the US as a prospector and as a Metal Detector Enthusiast. I was even in the S. AZ. area as well, and it was the SAME thing,only the talk was about a LARGE cheveron(Like a US Army's Private First Class's insignia)/Boomerang shaped construct seen all over the area. While I was there, I had decided to investigate this matter personally, and found out that the "official explanation" needs a lot to be desired.Hey, its a famous incident, like what happened at Roswell,NM. Did find some quartz crystals, a little gold on a GPAA site(GPAA is a gold prospecting organization) in AZ.The website for this organization is http//:www.goldprospectors.org . They're also featured on the Outdoor Channel, the one with the moose in the logo.My family and I were members of GPAA long ago.

Appreciate your honesty. Martial Law 08:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC) :)


 * I didn't remove it, I just moved it to the See Also section. My thought would be if it's significant there ought to be an article that fits it better, or a section in the Phoenix article that was more appropriate.  For what it's worth, I was here when it happened.  It was interesting, but that's not my cup of tea.  There was another one about a year ago from a weather balloon that was also highly publicized.  Wikibofh 16:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)