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hi WIKILIKI with regards the LEVIATHAN and TAMAR fields neither are proven, all are estimates based on seismological testing. such is the standard. it is this datum that has been repeatedly relied on in increasing the presumed size of the TAMAR field since its announcement in Jan2009. Leviathan is real and its true size and production will not be known for years. olim

I think Hydrogen fuel should instead be a redirect to Hydrogen economy, since the latter covers everything. When Hydrogen becomes feasible as a fuel it might sense to then have a separate article for it, but untill then hydrogen economy makes the most sense. What do you think? zen master   T  02:49, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the Hydrogen economy article is an accurate portrayal of the speculative nature of hydrogen as a fuel, if not we should fix. I did do the redirect. zen master    T  04:55, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Re:Railway
It's true that the label is somewhat misleading, because the line is used by freight trains. However, it is not used by passenger trains south of Rosh HaAyin. I will fix it when I have time. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 10:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks + linking years
Hi, thanks for your copyedit and additions to the Railway to Beersheba article. Are you a railway enthusiast? If so, where do you get your information? Do you have Paul Cotterell's book?

On a side note, it is not considered standard on the English Wikipedia to link just years (e.g. 1892), and indeed, there's absolutely no need to. Read more here.

-- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I suppose I could call myself somewhat of a railway enthusiast :)


 * Thanks for the tip on the years, I have started doing it because I noticed several times when I wrote dates without links, people would come in after me and link them. But I would rather leave them unlinked too.


 * I get most of my info. just from reading the newspaper.


 * Thank you for writing and expanding many Israel Railways articles!


 * --Wikiliki (talk) 15:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Jaffa–Jerusalem railway (again)
Hi Wikiliki! Thanks for your continuing work on improving articles related to Israeli railways! As you may have noticed, recently the user Gilabrand simply removed about a quarter of the article Jaffa–Jerusalem railway for no reason. The problem is, the article was a translation from HeWiki, and I only sourced it later, so a lot of the information remains unsourced. Can you please take a look at the earlier versions of the article (with the unsourced text) and see if you can add any sources? Newspaper articles, articles from HaRakevet, and of course academic sources, are all valid. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 00:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Most of the material "lives" in my head from years of reading, without, of course, any attempt being made to source it for the purposes of storing it in my brain :) so I am not sure of how much help I may be in this matter. It does seem though that Gilabrand was rather overzealous in editing the article; much of the information removed should have stayed there with missing citation tags added, particularly when removing material which constitutes widely known material facts, especially when such an item being discarded conveys a fact without any attempt at analysis or interpretation — so that when someone who can reference such facts when running across them in an article can do so easily. Oh, well... Wikiliki (talk) 02:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Ben Gurion Airport
Shalom, Lately I see you edit a lot in the article Ben Gurion Airport. And you sure have noticed that one user is pretending as many users and simply adds things to the article without any proof and of course he doesn't answer me and to others. Can you help me and Back me up When I'll talk with the admins ? --Friends147 (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I have no problem backing you up with respect the those silly changes being made to the article; though I am not quite sure what "backing you up" in this context means but I will be glad to help. Wikiliki (talk) 17:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

First of all, Thank you it's really important to me that i'm not the only one... I'm writing now to the administrators about the situation and I'll glad if you can comment and tell them too about this person. I'll send you here the link when I will finish.--Friends147 (talk) 18:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I wrote to the admins and i'll glad if you write something that strengthen my claim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Lanny_A._Breuer (ONE PERSON with 3 USERS)--Friends147 (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw what you wrote and your intentions are good, however, unfortunately, this looks like a user with a dynamic IP address originating in Turkey. Even if you managed to block him/her for a while, I don't think it would do much good since he or she is likely to have a different IP address within a few days from which to create mischief. Wikiliki (talk) 22:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm understand what are you saying but can you help me and still try to explain them?--Friends147 (talk) 12:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have read what's being written so far, it doesn't seem that the admins are disagreeing with you that the person is a vandal so I don't think I can provide any additional help in that respect. I mean, what do you propose they do? The vandal has a dynamic IP address. If they block the IP, he'll just use a different IP. You stated that temporary semi-protection is not sufficient. What do you propose then, permanent protection? Seems kind of an extreme step given that the vandal's edits are more of an annoying nuisance (rather than say deletion of whole sections or the use of inappropriate language). I just don't know if there's a good solution to this problem. Wikiliki (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Israel
Hi Wikiliki! I just went over WikiProject Israel's member list and noticed you weren't there. Given your contributions to Israel-related topics, let me formally invite you to the project. Please feel free to add your name to the list of active participants. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 14:08, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Regarding referencing
Hi Wikiliki,

Please take care regarding adding information to references sentences, like here. After the new edit, it would seem that the ref also covered the addition, which it didn't. I have fixed this specific problem, but please keep the issue in mind. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 07:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, I should have noticed that. Thanks for letting me know. --Wikiliki (talk) 01:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Meaning
Hey, Wikiliki. You changed the meaning of "Ben Shemen Interchange" in the Highway 1 (Israel) article. This issue was discussed quite a while back. The name of the column is "Meaning", not "What the junction is named after". We could end up with an almost entire column of "named after location". Boooooring! The Israel highway articles were created long before I started editing. At that time, the rational for the column was to provide information to those who do not understand Hebrew. (Assuming that you are bilingual), when you or I see a junction name, we understand and don't give it second thought. But put yourself in the place of someone reading the article with no knowledge of Hebrew. Oh yeah, the person can click on the location in the next column, but that doesn't always work. Maybe in this case, the meaning should say (poetic) Fruitful or (literary) Fruitful. Or maybe you know of an even better translation. But surely you can see that "named after location" simply deprives English speakers of the information that is expected by the column's heading. Kind regards, --@Efrat (talk) 11:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The literal meaning of Ben Shemen is actually "son of oil". I think most people associate Ben Shemen with the oil ("shemen") factory that existed at a nearby site until it burned down in 1915 (the land on which it stood now occupies part of the Ben Shemen forest), rather than the very archaic/highly figurative meaning in the biblical verse. Due to this double meaning (son of oil/fruitful) I thought it was appropriate to just note the meaning as the location but I guess I could go either way on that. Wikiliki (talk) 01:43, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Be careful with that machine translation, "son of oil"! lol Yeah, ultimately the name goes back to the factory, but when choosing a name, the founders (or at least the one who came up with the name) understood the biblical meaning (see ).  As far as the issue with the "Meaning" column, ultimately, the word "Fruitful" would be linked to an article or article section describing the history of the factory and its naming.  But I leave that to another sleepless night of editing.  --@Efrat (talk) 04:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Do you know what "Lod" means? --@Efrat (talk) 11:41, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge it has no particular meaning. It's derived from the ancient Lud valley in which Lod is located. Wikiliki (talk) 01:43, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe Lod means "Golda Meir's toilet" She always said she had one foot in Jerusalem and one foot in Tel Aviv!!!
 * OK, that was gross. But it was funny the first time I heard it.  Feel free to delete if it offends!!!--@Efrat (talk) 06:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Derech
Greetings, Wikiliki. You recently changed "Derech" to "Road" in Highway 22 (Israel). It has long been the convention that on many (but not all) Israel Highway articles that דרך is Derech. I don't know when this started, but it may be in some way connected to the same convention used on Google Maps. see example. There is no MOS dealing with this subject, so I will not revert your edits. Please take into account that in some places, eg. Jerusalem, local English speakers almost never translate דרך when they speak of a Derech. In Tel Aviv, I've heard both Derech and Road. As for Haifa, I don't know what local English speakers prefer. Also of interest is that local municipalities are inconsistant when postin street signs. See this example. It's a bit hard to make out, but the sign says רח' דרך חיפה Derech Haifa St. What a mess!!! Something to think about before you change Derech to Road in all of the Israel Highway articles. Kind regards, --@Efrat (talk) 08:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the input. I changed it for three main reasons. 1. "Road" seems the most common wording in these type of road listings on Wikipedia. 2. The rest of the routes are either spelled St. for Street or Boulevard. It seems a bit silly to name streets and boulevards in English, while roads in Hebrew. In other words, the article already said "Ophir St." rather than "Rehov Ophir" and "HaHistadrut Boulevard" rather than "Sderot HaHistadrut", so to be consistent, it makes sense to say "Yadin Road" rather than "Derech Yadin". 3. For English readers, it seems like "road" would be more informative. Wikiliki (talk) 02:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not necessarily a case of common wording or what is more informative to an English speaker. In fact Road may actually mislead in some cases.  Keep in mind that various municipalities translate דרך sometimes as Road sometimes as Street and sometimes transliterate דרך as Derech.  Each instance must take into account local usage and local official signage.  Sometimes GoogleStreetViews provides reliable sources, since there are actual photos of street signs. example Road / example St. / example Derech.  If an English speaker will encounter an actual posted sign that says either Road, Street or Derech, than whichever applies is what should appear in the article, I think.  Each instance on a case-by-case basis.  In fact, because of this discussion, I will probably have to review some of my edits to highway articles and make changes to Road, Street or Derech where appropriate to reflect the true facts. Kind regards,  --@Efrat (talk) 13:11, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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Route 531
Greetings, Wikiliki! You may have noticed that Route 531 is still classified as a "Stub Class". Take a look at Jerusalem Road 20 and Highway 50. They contain the required sections as per WikiProject Highways/Assessment bringing them up to "B Class". Any help with 531 to raise its quality assessment would be appreciated. Regards, --@Efrat (talk) 04:13, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

wikilink
Greetings, Wikiliki! You recently removed the link to Arthur Ruppin from the Junction List in Carmel Tunnels. I understand that usually a wikilink is only created in the first instance. This, however is not a stead fast rule. Based on conversations with several admins of WikiProject Highways, it is acceptable to repeat a wikilink in this setting - once in the Text Section of the article and again, once in the Junction List (and also, by the way, optionally once in an Infobox.) You will find this to be the case in all of the Israel highway articles. Many people focus their attention on the Junction List. It therefore makes sense to have independent wikilinks in the list. I did not change your other edits to the page. Kind regards, --@Efrat (talk) 08:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind! I just noticed that Ruppin is already liked in the Junction List in the "Meaning" column!!!  You were correct to remove the link from the "Roads Crossed" column.  Well done.  --@Efrat (talk) 11:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Eleazar Avaran
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