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Finnish
Do you know Finnish? I noticed you have changed the inter-wiki linking on Gun from tykki to ase. I don't know Finnish, but my impression is the first means cannon, the second means weapon. Then the first linking should be better, if we should have any of them at all? Or am I wrong here? Greswik 17:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right. I changed it from "tykki" (cannon) to "ase" (weapon), since "weapon" is a lot better translation. In the other hand, "gun" means just a shooting weapon. In Finnish, there doesn't appear to be an exact translation, but I think there should be some link. I don't know if it causes any problems to have inter-wiki links to "ase" from both "weapon" and "gun", but unless it does, I would favour that.

Wikinist 22:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

huns
i pushed the huns into "Ugric Poples" and "Finnic peoples" pages. those are very related things i think.--Orkh (talk) 08:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

huns as vandalism?
why did you categorised adding "Huns" into pages as a vandalism? Huns who were under the command of Attila were once the biggest power in history. they also succeed many victories in Rome, France and many Nordic countries. by the way attila was the only man who entered pope's quarter safely. wheres my vandalism? nobody can change the reality of the greatest (Eurasian) power in history--Orkh (talk) 08:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

and please read this before your attacks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Cumanicus --Orkh (talk) 09:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Calm down. Codex_Cumanicus talks nothing about Finnics. Ugrics, Magyars, might have something to do with the Huns, but I know that the Finnic people have been where they are thousands of years before the Huns, the unrelated conquerors came from far away. The Livonians and most Volga Finns were conquered by them, but so were many Germanic peoples, yet I don't see you adding "the Huns" to "See also"s of German-related articles.


 * The Huns were a powerfull group, yes, even if they certainly never visited any of the Nordic Countries. While I wouldn't mind of dreaming about Finnics' glorious past as some Hunnic conquerors, its simply false. Finnics are a linguistic group, not a historical or cultural or genetical one. The Huns spoke mostly Turkic languages, not Finnic languages. Thus I erase Huns from the Finnics' articles, since there is no factual reasons to keep them there.


 * You apparently have a nationalistic agenda to put these sourceless statements. While I have absolutely nothing against the Turkic peoples, I want to keep articles factual. Please show me atleast one modern research saying some Huns spoke Finnic languages before turning this into an edit war, thank you.


 * Wikinist (talk) 15:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

huns2
theres two .pdf in these pages, those are from from "the new york times"; 1) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E0CE7DB153BE233A25752C2A9679D946496D6CF 2) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F07E7DE1139EF34BC4E52DFB266838F669FDE

click the "view full article" button and open the pdf. after that search about ancient civilization of Turanians, or search about who were the Turanians, where they were living..etc..--Orkh (talk) 10:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I asked atleast one modern source and I didn't get one. All I got was a war propaganda from 1915 and 19th century racial theories, what also claimed that "niggers are inferior". You don't have any modern sources and I tell you why: there are no scientist or historians in these days who claim Finnics to be "racially Mongolian", or "Turanian" for that matter. By the way, Turanian is not a used word anymore, see Turanians.


 * Finns settled their lands 8500 BC from Europe, not 300 AD as the Russian claims. Those "sources" are completely worthless. Finnics as "aboriginals of Rome"? That's some humour.


 * For Finns, Covers the topic pretty well, but its in Finnish,,   and History of Finland are in English. And about Finnics, ,  and Finnic_peoples. Note that none of these even mentions Huns, or "Turanians".


 * Nowadays existence of Altaic group alone is improbable, not even talking about those Ural-Altaic theories. This is not a place to spread 19th century misbeliefs. Try to find modern, reliable sources.


 * Wikinist (talk) 19:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

huns3
im not a nationalist, but i think you should search about your history again. your nation has lived with russian, sweden, and nazi domination(who were all aryan peoples). of course your history changed. the fact that you read your history in "european union" books, in EU mind. sorry but they are too far from the original point. its so bitter to see that a guy want to destroy his/her own history.

go to turania.com and read original texts from non-european sources and non-european people. respects--Orkh (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What the... so you are another race-theorist sticking to 19th century lies. Already talking about "aryans" tells that you should stay away from serious encyclopedias. And no, Finland has not seen a Nazi domination, but I have seen some new-Nazis also writing their own history, citing the same race theories.


 * History changed because earlier theories were made up by Svecomans to their political motivations. I don't know why should I even argue that modern science is more reliable than your old nationalistic and Nazistic self-emphasizing, which was by the way made by Europeans. Yes, my information is far from the "original point", because it is realistic.


 * "All the history available nowadays is propaganda by the European Union and evil Europeans", right. You should stay on Turania.com and leave Wikipedia for us evil Europeans. Or well, according to you I'm a "brown-skinned Asian with proturted mouth, oblique eyes and full-neck". You race-theorists could never explain how we "Mongol-Finns" became blond-haired and blue-eyed, so you created your alternative universe where it's not so. And all I hope is that you stay in that alternative universe.


 * Wikinist (talk) 00:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

huns4
its really funny. why do people claim about your nation, think about it. (they may be claim about gets, vikings, aztecz or mayas too, but they only scream about Finns) because they have many evidences about your origins and about your destroyed history. believe what you want. of course you may be one of those non-aryan new-nazi jerks too, but you cant be so blind that Huns were the biggest Turanian confederation of history. and Turanians were Ural-Altaic people. its in your hand to respect history or not. but you cant delete one of these Turanian nation in pages. ok, you saved your holy Finnish nation but you shouldnt be touch in with "old Finnic" tribes. about your claims; 1-just see this map, its from the time 100 B.C, you see that big Turanian lands divided into 3. one of them siberians(todays turks) one of them are Ugric people(todays hungarians) and Finnic tribes. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/East-Hem_100bc.jpg 2-why do Finnish people are blond?? etc etc you dont know about adoptational mutation isnt it? so thats one of the reason that you should get away those nazi jerks. --Orkh (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh no, new-Nazi idiots are those believing to the same race theories that you do. You should leave these pages to "EU-propaganda" aka modern research. And have fun with Turanians and Nazis!


 * Wikinist (talk) 14:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)