User talk:Wikioddment

Hi, I don't mean to argue, and i agree that we should come to an agreement, but as you had already added personal opinions on the page, i thought that you should at least know the truth about the band's break-up. So let's just stick to the facts, ok? oddment.

Thank you for your concern. You will be pleased to know that I was right in the middle of the band's break-up, doing my best to convince them to make up, until it became clear that, unfortunately, this wasn't possible anymore. So, if you are interested to know the truth about those incidents, feel free to ask. I'll be happy to update you, with any facts that I do have the freedom to disclose. (Of course, you will understand that certain details have to remain confidential.) Best wishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Herbertklos (talk • contribs) 23:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

As I have said in the previous message, i agree that you might have a different opinion on the band's break-up, but the truth is very different. I know the band members very well and Chirila had shown his true face a while before the break-up. There was no confrontation prior to the band's "official break-up", and the fact that he arranged a press conference before consulting them about the rummours (that i think i know who started) might shed some light. So I must ask you, for the last time, if you don't want the article to be in any way truthful, at least write the facts only, and lose the personal opinions such as "unjustly" and "abusively". These were used often enough by the press, and wrighting these lies on Wikipedia as well would be highly "unjustly". This is a suggestion of what a fair article would sound like:

Vama Veche is a Romanian soft rock band, founded in 1996, which was also the year in which they recorded the song "Nu am chef azi" which became a hit in 1997 in Romania.

Their first concert took place in 1996 at Lăptaria lui Enache. On March 1, 1997, the band played the opening of the Led Zeppelin concert at Bucharest in front of 10,000 people.

The third album released by the band was a concept album, suggesting that the group may turn towards progressive rock. The album was received with critical acclaim.

The band broke up in September 2006, right after having launched a new album, "Fericire în rate": two of the other band members were said to have been making plans for an alternative band, and the band broke up. Tudor replaced them with the drummer Lucian Cioarga and the guitar player Dan Opris, next to his remaining colleagues, Eugen Caminschi (guitar) and Raul Kusak (keyboards). The new band, "Vama", started to compose new songs and although the style they adopted was less bohemian as the previous Vama Veche songs, in the meantime they were also performing the same albums as before.

They were sued by the members of the old band, Traian Balanescu, Razvan Lupu and Liviu Manescu (who had formed a new band, named "Trupa Veche"), and Vama's rights to perform the Vama Veche songs were revoked, the court allowing only the former members of the band the copyright of the songs.

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You are sorely misinformed, so let me put you straight:

You said:

"There was no confrontation prior to the band's "official break-up", and the fact that he arranged a press conference before consulting them about the rummours (that i think i know who started) might shed some light."

FALSE!

The confrontation took place in the meeting room of the Dreams Agency, in Snagov Street, between all the six members of the band, in the day of Friday, August 25. They decided the break-up and split the assets: Tudor, Eugen and Raul kept the offices at the 5-th floor, and Liviu, Traian and Lapi kept the sound studio at the ground floor.

That same evening, Tudor called me on my cell, to give me the news of the break-up and ask for my advice. I tried to convince him not to do it, and next day I met with Liviu and Traian, who told me their version of the facts - in the sound studio, that they were already refurbishing, glad to have it all for themselves (I even climbed on a table, to help them hang a lamp.) They also played for me the song they had composed and recorded during Tudor's illness (the one about "un sut în gura / si-o plimbare în natura", later included in the Trupa Veche repertory), using the singer Mariana Buruian, explaining to me they had enough with Tudor's dictatorial ways, and trying to convince me to join them too. (As much for your so-called "rumors", that "you think you know who had started"... Well, me, I don't THINK anything, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, because I was there and saw everything with my own eyes! It this enough for you...?)

However, that day, I vainly tried to convince them to change their mind and make up. In the end, we all agreed NOT TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC STATEMENT, for the time being...

However, in the day of 30 August, Liviu unilaterally broke this deal and went public, on Prima-TV, to announce the break-up, in their own version. That day, AND in 31 August, Liviu, Traian and Lapi gave many interviews, smearing Tudor with dirt. (You can Google it, the net is full of blogs and forums messages, proving this chronology.)

Tudor consulted me again, and we decided to schedule a press conference, for Tuesday, September 5. At that conference, he exposed his own case, in a very reserved and neutral manner. The three dissenters also attended, in the background. After Tudor retreated, they took the front stage and repeated the same slander and lies they had stated all along the previous week.

As such, your above statement shows definitely that you are MISINFORMED. I trust you to be only ignorant, not dishonest - but you are NOT QUALIFIED to write anything about these incidents that you obviously know only from hearsay, while I witnessed them minute by painful minute (I WAS THERE, MAN, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, OR DO YOU ALSO NEED A DRAWING?) Also, the phrase: "Chirila had shown his true face a while before the break-up", shows clearly that you are tendentious and subjective.

In conclusion, I must point out that I will not tolerate any disinformation on this article, either by ill intent, or by false knowledge. Please, renounce ANY intervention upon the respective fragment, that you obviously aren't informed enough to edit - and feel free to enrich the article with any other subjects that you might master better (the content of the old albums, the songs, the concerts, the videoclips, the ASMIB theater show, and many more). Respectfully (but firmly!) yours, Herbert Klos

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Herbertklos (talk • contribs) 21:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)