User talk:Wikiotr~enwiki

Regarding discussion over Digital Deli

DIGITAL DELI IS A COMMERCIAL SITE  In regards to DigitalDeliFtp selling and being a commercial site, this website creates revenue from selling FTP credits (http://www.digitaldeliftp.com/FTPSite/ftpsite.html) selling memberships; ftp transfers at $5.00/gig and $20 for MP3 disks. On the same page it compares itself to other "commercial" website claiming that they've downloaded shows from them; a fact refuted by other many other sites (including a very negative website http://www.digitaldeliftp-sucks.com/) WikiOTR 22 September 2006 (UTC)

DIGITAL DELI HAS CAMPAIGNED IN WIKPEDIA FOR THE DELETION OF COMPETITOR WEBSITES *** In User:Dnyhagen talk and contributions logs, he is removing 'commercial links' and Dnyhagen says:

''"The 220 I found and deleted were as follows: a.) they were all posted by two anonymous sources, b). they referenced the exact same two sites (otrsite.com and freeotrshows.com) over 90 times each (both of which should be banned for spam link abuse. How does one initiate this?], as did radiolovers.com (28 links), libsyn.com (23 links), and otrcat.com (18 links), c.) many of them simply opened a media player page without warning, and d.) they all promote a commercial endeavor (mostly 'OTR' .mp3 sales or membership to their sites}." ''

Digital Deli fits this exact definition of a commercial site - selling .mp3 sales and membership downloads to its ftp site.

The sites he has removed from Wikipedia: Radiolovers.com is a free site with banner advertising and offers online content free of charge to any listener to wants to visit the website. Many of the other links Dnyhagen deleted are sound files from his competitor's website which are free downloads visitors can listen to (which actually do relate to old time radio and are a publiclly valuable resource to hear the shows online and were useful to wiki readers wanting to hear the actual show). Many other link of the 'commercial' sites he has removed actually have immense content with radio history (far more than DigitalDeli), radio logs (which are valuable to radio show collectors) and episodes online to listen to (more than digitaldeli offers and free of charge; not a membership service).

Dnyhagen has parsed all of wikipedia old time radio content from various sites ("commerical" and otherwise) which offered radio show broadcasts in context of many old time radio related articles; stripping wikipedia of these content links has actually been a detriment to Wikipedia as a publicly valuable resource. It place of all the removal of resources, Digital Deli has a self created article promoting itself and website while deleting its seeming competitors links from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Deli_Online is not a publicly valuable resource, but an advertisement created for the sole purpose of link to digital deli's commercial website. If Dnyhagen appears to be opposed to all commercials golden age radio links (with exception of his own); this article should also be removed without further delay as it is a direct advertisment for digital deli. User Dnyhagen's removals should be reanalyzed; they are actions of a competitive website removing content from wikipedia to further its own links; and this user's action should be suspect in future articles and removals. WikiOTR 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Posting to my talk page
Assuming you are who I think you are.

Please do not use my page or Wiki as a soapbox. You have not addressed the fact that you too are a spammer (assuming you are who I think & if not apologies). As it stands the differences between you and the user you seek to decry in behaviour are minimal. Please behave in a decent way and maybe people will listen rather more. Regards --Nigel (Talk) 18:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I support what Nigel says. There's no need to post this long indictment on several talk pages. I suggest centralizing the discussion at Talk:Digital Deli Online. Please be patient and allow all the facts to be considered. Wmahan. 21:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * My apologizes for the overposting and haste and will centralize my postings to Talk:Digital Deli Online as requested. Wikiotr 01:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If this was you, please don't forget to log in, especially when making potentally controversial edits like that. It's not a huge deal to make mistakes such as overposting when you're still learning the ropes. Just be careful not to do it again. Wmahan. 21:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the correction, hoping to pick up the ropes shortly! Wikiotr 01:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: your message
Regarding your message on my talk page, I am not taking any particular side in the discussion. Any mass addition of links to any of the mentioned websites thus far will be scrutinized and likely removed.

Perhaps the Digital Deli Online does have a slight commercial aspect. However as long as the article is properly cited with reliable sources, and can be cleaned up (which it seems to be in the process of), it will likely remain. --AbsolutDan (talk) 05:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your continued impartiality; Digital Deli Online is a whole-hearted commercial venture. The webmaster has a track record of deflaming and abusing other old time radio websites.  His wikipedia actions are just his latest venture to monopolize old time radio.  Although his citations may have some accuracy, his article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Deli_Online is not of itself any public value and is in fact, an advertisement to sell additional FTP memberships through his website (the same purpose of his competitors website of which he has all labelled 'spam' and removed from Wikipedia).  If Digital Deli's editoral actions are innocent with only the furtherment of old time radio as claimed, his citations on old time radio history would better be notated in the 'old time radio' section of wikipedia rather than on advertisement articles on his own website; his abusive editorial and link removals should be scrutinized;  I believe at least one additional old time radio website owner has made notation in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Digital_Deli_Online ; of which Dnyhagen promptly attacked (in attempt to silence the discussion).  Wikiotr 22:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)Wikiotr 22:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Please note my latest post at the Digital Deli article's talk page. Thanks --AbsolutDan (talk) 00:18, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The Ambassador Hotel
Please stop removing legitimate links from The Ambassador Hotel. If you have a problem with a link please discuss the dispute on the article talk page. -Will Beback · † · 00:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Some People Think They Can Do What Ever They Please To Harm Others In Any Way They Can For No Apparent Reason.

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