User talk:Wikipedian Penguin/Archives/2011/October

Hard GAR
All three have supported. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  11:03, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Closed and kept. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:30, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  11:31, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

This might be useful for you
This musicnotes gives Eminems vocal range (though I'm pretty sure he doesn't do an F2) so now you can include Rihanna's as well as his. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  13:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ignore that, i didn't see it said Part II. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  13:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I was about to say... — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoever wrote that one has no idea what they are talking about. That range is so wrong, they clearly don't know how the female vocals work, nor Rihanna's. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  13:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about the article or the web page? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:24, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No the web page. For a female to sing a range of F2-B3 in a song is ridiculous. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  13:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for this correction. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 13:45, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You're most certainly welcome. I "Checked on It" and fixed it. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:03, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. Were you referring to "Check on It"? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 14:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, yeah. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. I love that song. I love everything about Beyonce to be frank. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 14:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for moving the message to my talk. :) You wanna help me out with this user? IDK if you saw what I wrote to him, but he's created even more "tours". — Status  &#x7B;talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;">contribs  15:44, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What he's doing appears to be total WP:FANCRUFT and fails WP:NOTABILITY. I'm not really sure how to deal with him/her. Make sure he is aware of these two guidelines. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
<b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 05:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Alex Da Kid
I work for Alex Da Kid as his personal assistant and web developer.

I run his website and all the related content. I understand you keep shutting down our Wiki page. You claim to cite sources and I try to put them in but it never saves. Here is the source: http://www.alexdakid.com/bio — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpb.atl (talk • contribs) 18:05, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Copy and pasting is a violation of Wikipedia and to national law. If you were really Alex da Kid's assistant, you would have known that. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:10, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

so you're saying I need to re-write the bio, just for wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpb.atl (talk • contribs) 20:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Plus, you have to provide sources other than just the bio on Kid's website. For all I know, you, claiming to be his web developer, are also his biographer. See WP:SPS. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

So every line of text needs to be cited by some outside source other than his original website, correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpb.atl (talk • contribs) 00:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Third-party sources are always better. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

More updates...
Have read your comments on the peer review page on the reference citing, and am working on them currently. Have also read your comments on my use of MusicRemedy and DJBooth as sources - the truth is, I don't think that the sites are particularly reliable points of reference, but the problem is that some of these songs in the collaborations table proved extremely difficult to find links for, as they are so unknown that very few reliable websites - or indeed anyone - actually bothered to write about them, except HipHopDX (as is evidenced on many occasions in this table). To cut a long story short, I don't approve of the links, but they're just the best ones available.

Thanks for your continued help! Sufur222 (talk) 18:47, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The unfortunate thing is, you will have to remove the information and the unreliable references that are cited. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

That is true. Actually, on the music video table, I had to remove a few of the videos because the references for them were so awful, so I have done something similar to this before. I'll do that. Sufur222 (talk) 15:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Ask
Do you have access to Billboard? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 08:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:21, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It does not matter. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Love the Way You Lie
Hey, there are some things I think you should do in prep for FAC. For the Rude Boy GAR, I was told to replace "-" with en-dash (–) in the Credits and personnel section and in the reference titles. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  21:36, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by reference titles? —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like, in your references, the title parameter. Do you want to do an edit for each example so you get what I mean? <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  21:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please, that would be nice and helpful. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've made three edits. Each shows an example of using en-dash. One for prose, one for in the credits section and one for in the title parameter of references. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  21:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When do we use hyphens then? —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Those dashes are hyphens. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  22:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A hyphen is (-) whereas a dash is (–) or (&mdash;). Hyphens are used to connect parts of a word, endashes are for connecting ranges (1991–93) and personnel and ems are for connecting clauses in a sentence. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:20, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm just telling you what I was told to do. Maybe if you look on the Rude Boy GAR it might be clearer for you :) <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  22:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Fame Monster.
What do you mean " Sorry, notability not quite met yet." Rackshea (talk) 10:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Per General notability guideline and Notability (films), the article has not yet met a list of criteria to have its own article, i.e. enough independent coverage from reliable sources. There will eventually be more information to warrant an article, don't worry. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Useful information
Hello Penguin. First, thank you about the comments that you have given at the "Rehab" FAC. Even If you oppose I know that you mean only the best for the article. I resolved some of the issues, I will try to work with the others later. Here I got some information that can be useful for you and "Love the Way You Lie" article. You made a grand job with it. You know ;) ! Greetings — Tomica1111  &bull; <font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?  14:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the link, and I have added right away. The "Rehab" article is well done and I can see you have put a lot of effort into it. I think some patience and copy-editing will be your road to success. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Penguin! The nomination of the article failed, however two copy-editors from GOCE (notably Baffle gab) worked on the articles prose and improved it a lot. I'm gonna nominate it very soon, but before nominating, you can check it ;) ! — Tomica1111  &bull; <font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?  09:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great to know! I have to say, for an article so short, it's very informative and interesting. Reviewing the article did note bore me at all. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks :). I already nominated it. Hope see some comments/support of yours. Greetings ;) ! — Tomica1111  &bull; <font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?  21:43, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I just prepared a fresh batch of comments to give you a headache ;) —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks about comments, those really hit my head hah :), however I agree with you for all the issues except for one. I'm talking about one that addresses on the music video synopsis. Look at "Irreplaceable" a FA, however, the paragraph about the synopsis does not use a single source. Here I use some sources about the clothes and stuff. I hope you understand what I want to say. :) — Tomica1111  &bull; <font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?  18:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand. However, per WP:PLOT, a very brief summary never needs sources, but here you describe Rihanna's look in detail and the second of the two sentences gives a personal interpretation. Not everyone may view it as 40s style. Also, I forgot to mention this, but you don't cite the "scantily dressed" quote. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but really can't understand you. The brief summary is there, and it's not sourced... however, there are sources for the clothes. And about the "scantily dressed" you are right, I saw now it's not in the source. How can I say about if in a different way? — Tomica1111  &bull; <font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?  19:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see it. Maybe citing them next to the sentences might help. And you can't really say that quote in anyway without sounding POVish. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

More updates...
I've finished working on your latest set of comments for the 50 Cent discography peer review, and am awaiting new ones whenever you wish to add them. Also, I've fixed the overlinking. Sufur222 (talk) 10:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Recovery liner notes author
Although I've looked through the entirety of the album booklet, I can't find any reference to a liner notes author, or when they were written. Sorry about that. When you've cited the digital booklet for Recovery in the past, you've used Eminem as the author, and do you think he would have complied the digital booklet? He would be an adequate substitute for now, until more information emerges.

Sorry that I can't do any better, but that's the best suggestion I've got. Oh, and my name isn't Sufur. Turn it around, and that's my name. Sufur222 (talk) 15:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fine, Rufus. Thanks for the help. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

More updates...
I've finished reformatting the dates of the entire page, as you specified. Sufur222 (talk) 15:41, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

More updates...
I've addressed your latest reference comments, and the comments are now available on the peer review page. Sufur222 (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Question + Request
Hello talk-page stalker. Lol. How are you doing? Did you notice (when you reviewed Kelly Rowland), that the nominator has one edit or no edit at all on the article? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Can you please do the same thing you did to the lead of "Love on Top" to that of "Countdown"? Do not strip (???) it too much. Please. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I was dumb back then, forgive me, lol. And I don't believe that a self-nomination is absolutely mandatory. As for the copy-edit, I'll do it as soon as I finish some school work as I have a test tomorrow. :) —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Like it? Oh, and could I ask you something? —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, i like it. Thank you. Please ask. Best of luck with your assessment. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my goodness, how long will you make me wait? I want to know what you had to ask. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The test went pretty easy. My question was why are there so many quotes in the article? And the video controversy quote is HUGE. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well when it comes to controversy, i think it is better not to interpret the information and not to put it in your own words. Already people here do not miss an opportunity to say that my way of writing is a bit too praisy (I do not think this word exists. Lol). Well, i know i am not perfect and sometimes, i do not understand why the hell they are all after what i am doing. Lol. If you could help me with diminishing the length of the quote(s), i will be happy. I ma happy your assessment was fine. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alas, I am not good at handling quotes. You can get someone knowledgeable about the topic to do it, or a professional copy-editor. In all honesty, all the criticism I have faced over the months have made me a much better editor than I used to be. I consider myself a perfectionist, but it's always hard to be that way. You just have to try your best to learn from mistakes that others will pick out from you. Bonne journée. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:59, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are so right. C'est plus convenable de me souhaiter une bonne nuit. Il fait nuit ici. (I hope you know French?) ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)
 * Bien sûr! Ici, au Canada, nous parlons le français canadien, et c'est une de mes langues. Je ne parle pas hindi, mais mes parents regardent les émissions et les films de Bollywood, et ils les comprennent bien. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Pourqoui as tu mentinoné ce dernier détail? Crois tu que je suis indien? Spare me the horror. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ouis, je sais. :) —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  09:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When we have secret messages, we can write them in French. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bonne idée. Not sure how many others speak French though. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ] 18:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. Je crois seulement moi, toi et Calvin. Le reste, ils peuvent utiliser Google Translate pour décoder nos messages top-secrets. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, c'est amusant de parler en francais parce que les autres ne parlent pas le langue! Pourtant, mon francais est assez nul maintainent! Je ne sais pas touts les mots afin d'explique mes opinions. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  18:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Le Google Translate fait les mauvaises traductions, croyez-moi. Mes professeurs de français peuvent vous dire si vous l'utilisez. J'adore le bilinguisme. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:43, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Tu as bien raison mom pote. Moi, je parles 5 langues. Quel nom donne-t-on à cela? Lol. I have to go now. See you all demain. What a nice mélange!!! Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (éditez le conflit) Je n'utilise pas les aides. Quelquefois, c'est difficile pour moi de m'explique, comme je ne sais pas le mot ou phrase vrai. J'oublié aessez de beaucoup de ce que j'appris au college, il a été dix-huit mois depuis j'ai étudié le langue. Je souhaite j'était plus fluent. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  18:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, je sais ce que tu veux dire. J'était toujours au prises avec le français, mais je pense je parle plus couramment, maintenant. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon
Hi. I just noticed that you like Pokémon? Well, I used to love Pokémon a lot too (I had a TV crush on Misty too, lol). So, do you still watch it? Is it still aired in Canada? <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 17:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I watch it, but honestly, I have failed to grow out of the addicting video games. I believe they air the show weekly in Canada, not sure when. I watch online, because the episodes air a few weeks late here than in the US. :) —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:16, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. I haven't watched it fully since the episode where May left. Miss old Pokemon so much :) <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 08:10, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The days... —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:37, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

"Party"'s release date
Please participate and help clear the confusion here. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 05:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See the revision history of "Party". That IP is faster than the speed of light. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He has a great Internet service provider, lol. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:48, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. He has already been taken care of by Kelvin. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't you ever wish you could be an admin? Lol. Anyway, I've just added Party (song) to my watchlist, just to be safe. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:51, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why don't you join WP:BEY? You often help me with the leads. Thanks for putting "Party" on your watch-list as i am going to bed. Lol. An admin and me? Everyone will attack me for editing Beyonce's articles only. It is true. I have seen various nominations. They do have a look at how diverse are your edits. To tell you frankly, if i become an admin, i do not think i will take care of other articles (other than those of Beyonce). I am being honest. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:54, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn, why didn't I think of that? I joined now. Now let's see that Welcome banner template on my talk page, lol. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:58, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Looooollllll ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:05, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So you will do copy-edits. Lol. Beware, i have you on my list on Beyonce related articles' copy-editors. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah!!!!! Beyoncé est la reine! Kanye was right, she is one of the best of all time! Happy to help you whenever you need! —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:13, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Kanye avait bien raison mais j'étais un peu triste pour Swift car elle est si jeune et delicieuse. Lol. J'adore "Single Ladies". La vidéo me donne des frissons. Pour moi, Beyonce a déjà accompli beaucoup. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * C'est vrai, et Kanye était un peu impoli. But let's not get off topic, lol. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You mean Beyonce is "on topic"??? Lol. Hey please do not feel bad but i have got to go. I need to creep inside my bed. I am so sleepy and i am sure i am going to dream about Beyonce..... What she will be doing in my dreams??? Well, preparing dinner for me, making me eat with her own hands, hugging me, and much more.... Lol. Let's talk tomorrow. For now, i will have my "Sweet Dreams about the "Naughty Girl" with whom i am "Crazy in Love" not to say "Dangerously in Love. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, au revoir. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:26, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hard
I had written [sic], but someone changed it. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  11:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello there
Hi there. Seen your work around the FAC and I was wondering if you could please take a quick look at an article I've been working on. It's pretty long, so maybe you can just take a quick scan of a section (intro+ writing and recording, or influence and sound etc) and just let me know what you think. If you're too busy, then that's fine. Hoping to take it to FAC in a couple months (album is still charting, so I'm not too hasty). <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e <font face="Garamond">(talk)  19:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, and nice to meet you. I am not a habitual FAC reviewer, and only look through articles that I actually may be interested it, :). Fortunately, 21 is one of them. The article was well done, but the thing is, under a microscope, issues with the prose are present and some instances confuse the reader. A very thorough copy-edit is my suggestion. If you wanted an idea of what I am talking about, see Talk:21 (Adele album). I have examined the WP:LEAD and Background and conception. the list looks a bit long, but it's always the little issues that are difficult to fix. Great job, and good luck with your next FAC. I am also planning to take an article for FA during the holidays or 2012. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:06, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Great observations. It's always so annoying that I can spot these errors in other people's writing, but not my own. I'll respond to and incorporate you changes tonight (I have somewhere to be). Good luck with your FAC nomination, and let me know if I can do anything to help :).
 * PS, what interests you about the album? It's been on non-stop circulation on my iPod for months now. ("Set Fire to the Rain" and "Rolling in the Deep" are my favourite). <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e  <font face="Garamond">(talk)  20:50, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm in the process of copy-editing my article and will host a Peer review later this year. The thing is, I like the songs on the album, but they have become so mainstream because of the unusual amount of success they have been receiving. I like "Someone Like You". That's my favorite, but I don't mind "Rolling in the Deep" either. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:00, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Copy-edit request
Hi Mr. Penguin. Can you give a copy-edit to "Just a Kiss"? Thanks, <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 13:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try my best, :). —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Born This Way
Hello Wikipedian Penguin. I have just been working on some refs in the Born This Way page, and, apart from a few (which I am not fully able to do), they have nearly all been formatted correctly. In such a way, do you think that the page is ready or almost ready to go for GA?

Yours,

--&#38;レア (talk) 14:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, Theologiae. Born This Way is looking much better. I have a few concerns currently, however. First is the references. Unfortunately, there is still a great number of inconsistencies with the formatting (Viacom vs. MTV Networks, Billboard.com vs Billboard, and the list goes on). I think there is much work left on them, which I will be glad to assist with, as soon as I have some school projects out of the way. I also see a few sources that I question their reliability. Second, I think the album lacks a little on the actual production itself, which, even though it's discussed in song articles, should be added here. Currently, there is one small paragraph that solely talks about recording locations. Information such as the origins of recording, writing, and production is valuable information for the development of an album. Third, I may start copy-editing the article this week or next week, because the prose may need some work. Overall, if you ask me, it is a bit distant from GA, but closer than before. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN   · [ TALK ]  18:34, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd Love To Join!

 * Lol it's not really my group. I just founded it, that's all. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

What is The User Box?

 * Userboxes. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I made a page for If I Had by Eminem.
--GH200 (talk) 01:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)Tell people about this page and they can help me edit it. Please.--GH200 (talk) 01:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your willingness to help, but the article does not meet notability guidelines. It lacks sources, has not charted, and did not receive sufficient coverage for a comprehensive article. See also: WP:NSONGS. It has been redirected to SSLP for now. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Mags (I can call you that, right? Lol). If you ever need copy-edit assistance, let me know (Only if the article is reasonably short, lol. Lengthy articles bore me, :)). —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course you can call me Mags (that's not my real name though. My real-life friends used to call me that.) Lol, okay. I'll try to stick to long short articles only. <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 03:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Princess of China
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Princess_of_China&curid=33169646&diff=457520250&oldid=457520132 What was inconsistent? They were all the same]. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  17:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Typically, British articles use the format I have changed to in the article. Plus, the infobox also used that format. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, I was forgetting that Coldplay are from England. And I used that format in the info box as even American articles had it. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!

Sorry.

 * I don't like Yu-Gi-Oh! but I do like Pokémon. Of course, I like Eminem, the greatest rapper alive. Lady Gaga is very unique and has an interesting image, and she has a great voice. Royce, I have to say, is off to a good start. I do not watch SNL. For the sake of keeping my talk page clean and organized, I'd apppreciate if you would post simple messages, rather than the WikiLove, because it is less distracting and cleaner-looking. Finally, I think you should try contributing more to articles than socializing, because that is what Wikipdia is actually about. Then, you can focus on other things, like your user page. I hope you are not offended, good day. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

(heading added by WP to separate from thread above)
Go and waddle off somewhere else you pathetic cunt. I pray at night for your death.
 * Okay, then. Good luck. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:32, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my God. Ignore and do it like Ri-Ri. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:38, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My reaction too. Time for a trip to WP:ANI. I doubt he actually prays for me to die; if he would, that would be scary. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rest assured. God never listens to those who pray for the bad of others. (I hope you believe in God because i hate those who do not?) ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do, but I also accept people's beliefs. I love the world. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, i guess you are right. It's high time i learn to accept others beliefs. The last phrase seemed like "Run the World" to me. Lol. Bye. I have to go now. I have Maths Paper 33 tomorrow. Got to see my notes on Vectors II and Complex Numbers (I hate these two). ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, you don't have to worry. It's just a sock of the one and only User:CharlieJS13 (LOL). He did actually pray for Tbhotch to disappear from Wikipedia, and it happened :( I'm heart-broken. <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 04:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's very sad. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

LTWYL
The IP was right. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  01:11, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That is a quote with a typo, so I placed [sic] and  noted that Kahn's next tweet said something about that typo. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN   · [ TALK ]  17:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahh okay, because it's not "his boyfriend" lol <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  17:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, woops. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:09, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Favour?
Hi WP. So, I have taken up the GA review of "1+1 (song)". I have added a few comments, I was wondering if you could comment on the article too (or maybe even take up the review? I'm kinda busy and I feel I'm not good in reviewing articles). Thanks, <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 11:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll see how far you are into the review and will continue from there :). —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:10, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks buddy :) <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 04:27, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Penguin, I created a new version of "1+1" here. I removed a few reviews. Tell me, what do you think? <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 11:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not bad, but my problem is not so much the quantity of reviews, but the overusage of large quotes, which makes the article look a bit messy. But not bad at all. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:53, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I get what you mean. Well, I should get that draft deleted. Take care :) <b style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px; font-family:Arial; color:#4169E1;">Novice7</b> (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:#B0C4DE;">talk</b>) 11:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

More updates...
Excuse my delay in posting further updates on the 50 Cent discography peer review - I have been on holiday for the last week and have been unable to do anything with the page, or any for that matter. Anyway, the final set of comments has been dealt with. Should I now go to have the page nominated, or should I get another user to do a peer review? Or is there more you would like to add? <font color="Green">I Am Rufus  &bull; <font colour="Blue" face="Garamond"> Conversation is a beautiful thing.  10:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I am taking a look right now and making any changes that I feel are left. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:08, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Please weigh in?
Hi there! :-) I respect your many years of service...and I was thus wondering if you could weigh in here. I know a pretty good amount about the law, and one only describes an incident as "alleged" before a verdict is handed down. The verdict had been handed down (Brown plead guilty to the assault of Rihanna and making criminal threats), thus, the word "alleged" isn't used anywhere in the Chris Brown article after the first paragraph (describing the incident before Brown plead out), nor is the word "alleged" used anywhere in the Rihanna article when describing the assault after it had been through the court system. I am strongly against the use of the word "alleged" in the sentence in question, and I am really hoping you can help us by weighing in. I am making an edit request to remove the word "alleged" from the sentence. Thank you so much for any assistance you can offer!-- miko mango   mwa!  18:05, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't need an edit request, if you think it shouldn't be there, just remove all instances from the article yourself. <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  18:18, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol "many years of service". TBH, I made some edits in July 2008, but I retired for almost three years. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:27, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Penguin!!! And Calvin, I've found it wise to ask someone more senior and important and well-loved and respected than me to make certain edits as opposed to editing myself. It's not worth the hassle. There are too many Wiki-bullies out there...so even if I'm right, I prefer it when someone more important than me is right as well!-- miko mango   mwa!  19:08, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Be WP:BOLD <font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na  C'mon!  19:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

 * Om nom nom nom... If you are sure something is wrong, go for it! After all, your edit summary will explain everything. :) —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Voices.
--GH200 (talk) 00:59, 31 October 2011 (UTC)I think there should be pages on rappers and singers voices. Like how they sound and about the lyrical content of there music. Cause people like Eminem have voices that one moment they're wierd and then they ae normal like on Relapse his voice is all wierd why is it like that. And on The Slim Shady LP it's all high pitched and cool sounding. And now it sounds normal. I think I'm on to something here. Let me know what you think.--GH200 (talk) 00:59, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think what we have at the Eminem biography is sufficient. I do not believe too many sources cover Eminem's vocal artistry to warrant a separate article. —<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"> WP: <font color="#0075FF">PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)