User talk:Wikipedian Penguin/Archives/2012/March

Detox_(Dr._Dre_album)
Penguin,

The Detox_%28Dr._Dre_album%29 is getting out of hand IMO. And one could argue the whole article. I'm writing on your talk page instead of the article page because I see that you have experience in creating and reviewing music articles to good status and may be with some help we can make this one do the same.

I think the background section is ok but is starting to spill over into guest and production. And I don't know why there is a singles section when there have been no confirmed tracks.

Let me know what you think and we can start a discussion on what to do on the article's talk page.

Thanks! ChadH (talk) 23:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The article in its entirety is a mess. I suggest instead of a temporary solution, the whole article, if not most of which, be tidied. There have just been way too many unsourced additions that have snuck in without watchers noticing promptly enough to revert. The background section, I'm regretful to say, needs a lot of cleanup as well. Much of the sources that cite the statements do not pass the WP:RS criteria (SOHH, ThisIs50 and Hiphop-n-more.com, to name a selective few).
 * The Guests and production, as you say, is the one that is getting out of hand and something needs to be done. Cleaning this article up will be tedious, but must happen. I'm really glad and thankful of your raising this concern. The problem is that I don't know when I can get involved in this project. I've made a brief list of where to start, but this list can be and probably will be revised:
 * Check thoroughly to make sure citations support the statements. Information that is not supported by sources should either be cited properly or be removed.
 * Weed out or replace unreliable sources, of which the article has several. Don Mega, Defsounds, Allhiphop, Musicremedy, Nahright and Smartenupnas.com are all in the first 25 or so references.
 * Information seems to be overlapping between sections. Layout needs to be re-organized.
 * Singles section needs to be trimmed.
 * General cleanup and proofreading.
 * Maybe once my to-do list clears, I can arrange time to participate in this. If you ask me, this album will never be released. ;-) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I 100% agree with you! I'm going to add a todo list to the talk page and get started the best that I can. And this album is never going to happen! ChadH (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 February newsletter
Round 1 is already over! The 64 highest scorers have progressed to round 2. Our highest scorer was, again thanks mostly to a swathe of good articles on The X-Files. In second place was, thanks an impressive list of did you knows about racehorses. Both scored over 400 points. Following behind with over 300 points were, , and. February also saw the competition's first featured list: List of colleges and universities in North Dakota, from. At the other end of the scale, 11 points was enough to secure a place in this round, and some contestants with 10 points made it into the round on a tiebreaker. This is higher than the 8 points that were needed last year, but lower than the 20 points required the year before. The number of points required to progress to round 3 will be significantly higher.

The remaining contestants have been split into 8 pools of 8, named A through H. Round two will finish in two months time on 28 April, when the two highest scorers in each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers, will progress to round 3. The pools were entirely random, so while some pools may end up being more competitive than others, this is by chance rather than design.

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Re: [S&M FAC]
What exactly do you want me to do with the quote in the Writing and theme section and Remixes and release section? Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 15:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not recall raising concerns with the Writing and theme section's quotations. My concerns are otherwise listed here as follows. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You said that there is a quote that in your opinion should be paraphrased. Also, listing multiple points about a blockquote doesn't really help. It's what she said, and it works fine. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 15:32, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That is to say there's nothing wrong with information being repeated over and over, Rihanna saying something is amazing (tell me what context exactly does this add?), and just rambling on about other things that can be said in much fewer words? There are enough Rihanna quotations already. Quotations can be fine if used sparingly (tiny excerpts). This is a bit too much for an article of this size. I don't mind if you use one or two tiny quotations in between while paraphrasing the blockquote, but this is just too much. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:39, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * How is having two block quotes too much? Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 15:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Three including that giant quotation that you turned into prose but did not bother to paraphrase in the Reception and ban section. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:47, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've shortened it. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 15:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That does not take away from the fact that the block quote in the Release section is not of great quality. I fail to see what's the problem removing or at least trimming it. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not removing it. It's Rihanna speaking about the collaboration, and enough info about it has been cut as it is. I'll shorten this one as well. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 15:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You have to stop confusing quality with quantity. You're still repeating information and have removed a part of the quote that could have served some context. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to say. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 16:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. I've removed what was unnecessary or repetitive and restored what was useful. It would have been so much more professional should you have paraphrased all--if not most--of it. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not what I mean't by "I don't know what to say". Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 16:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess words can be misinterpreted on a computer screen. Nonetheless, it looks better now. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess you will still oppose. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 16:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll reread the article sometime soon. But sourcing issues in the Composition section worry me. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong that section. Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 16:32, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am regarding the "comparison". — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well if you can't give me at least one other example then I don't see how. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 16:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I told you one simple thing: it's not a comparison, so don't say it is. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

UnF
Lol at this. Come on Penguin, how can I blame you for something. You helped so much. —  Tomica   (talk)   18:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If only I could help more. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:38, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. I hope you will have more time in future. —  Tomica   (talk)   22:18, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you possibly comment at the discussion for merging the year lists to a decade? —  Tomica   (talk)   20:08, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I posted my opinion. I tried my best to be brutally honest and at the end, with all arguments considered, it looks neutral to me. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you possibly make some more c/e to Rihanna videography lead? Thank You. —  Tomica   (talk)   18:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

RE: File:The Edge of Glory Music Video.jpg
The whole video demostrate that Gaga can't dance without backing dancers. But as a whole the image fails WP:NFCC rules as it just show Gaga, and we have pictures of Gaga. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  20:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I am perplexed
Hi Penguin. Is Cher a man or a woman? I hear a male voice here and most of her songs. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 07:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just wondering: are you listening to her for the first time? This is the voice she's always had and it sounds feminine to me, but bolder. That's her style. I'm not a fan of her, but she's a woman. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * DEATH at his her voice. I can't believe that's a woman's voice. My mom introduced me to her music. And sincerely, it's ear candy to me. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 05:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I don't really like her style, but she's OK. Revered as Godess of Pop. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:23, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * But I still cannot understand why her voice is like that. 1)It's like a male one. 2)There is something that gives me the impression, it is not natural. Lol. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:01, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012

 * Go away Charlie. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Request
Can you please copy-edit the first two sections of "1+1" when possible? Take care. See you later. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 09:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course I can, but here's the catch: I can get started now, but can't promise when I'll finish, even if it is a few sections. Nevertheless, I'll try. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The Slim Shady LP
Would you recommend that there be a "Controversy" section in the article talking about the controversy surrounding the lyrics on the album? I am having a hard time deciding if that constitutes NPOV. Thanks! Basilisk4u (talk) 07:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Can you tell me how many critics reported about it? If it received enough coverage or those involved in it replied to each other, etc.... then maybe YES. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 07:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Naming it "Controversy" may not be NPOV, but if this is going under the Reception section, you could name it "Subject matter" or "Lyrical content", etc. It's a good idea though. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Current playlist (Wikipedian Penguin)
Not too many good songs have come out this year (yuck, "Rack City"). I've been listening to some really different music, some of which I almost feel sorry for not placing on my Top Songs of 2011. Here are my jams for the next quarter of 2012: So... yeah. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) "Set Fire to the Rain" by Adele (should have been nominated for Best Pop Performance instead of "Someone Like You", to be honest)
 * 2) "Princess of China" by Coldplay featuring Rihanna
 * 3) "First of the Year (Equinox)" by Skrillex
 * 4) "Yonkers" by Tyler, the Creator (has a really nice video)
 * 5) "Kyoto" by Skrillex featuring Sirah
 * I agree for #1 and #5. I would even place #5 to #2. But anyway, it's your playlist xD. "Set Fire to the Rain" is my ever favorite song by Adele. Btw, what's happening with the music releases? They stagnate ... —  Tomica   (talk)   19:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This time of year, its common for many artists with albums and material under production. In other words, you can expect new music sometime this fall. Heck, Rihanna releases a new album every fall. I agree, "Princess of China" should be moved higher up, so I did move it from No. 5 to No. 2. Brilliant lyrics and composition. I'm still mad they didn't sing the whole thing at the Grammys: that's why I hate medleys. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmm you are probably right. And lol for the movement :)! But I really think you did the right job. The song is simply marvelous, great composition, melody ... also Chris and Rihanna voices mash up really good. I am also mad :@ for the Grammys, plus that version was acoustic. I expected the original one. Anyway, I don't think we should expect a new album from Rihanna this fall, because she said she wants to be a little more in the movies this year, and I think that that decision is right. She released that Talk That Talk should not happen, and be Louder instead ;)!—  Tomica   (talk)   19:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, I forgot about Battleship. Lol "Chris and Rihanna" reminds me of... you know... Another song I should have added is "Americano" by Lady Gaga. It's always nice to hear a different style of music, and this is really nice mariachi. It's even in Puss in Boots—I've actually never seen the film, but saw the trailer. — WP: PENGUIN   · [ TALK ]  19:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mhm, Battleship is actually a closed chapter. I mean everything is ready to be premiered :)! She talked about other film roles. Ahh movie is my passion you know? I really like acting. And yeah I know Chris Martin/Brown :P. About Gaga, I have never heard the song or seen the trailer for Puss, will try to hear/view it ASPS. —  Tomica   (talk)   20:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

BORN THIS WAY COMMERCIAL PERFORMANCE
Hi. Regarding the BORN THIS WAY commercial performance, I seriously can't get to understand the reason WHY Time Magazine or Billboard magazine or hundreds of other trusted magazines is not a reliable source. I don't understand. However, you still edit the page adding the information about how the album dropped like a bomb, according to A PERSONAL OPINION of a journalit. Honestly, I think it is absolutely ridiculous. The figure (8 million) is NOT a disputed figure. It's been disputed in blogs and forums because of the difference between shipped and sold, like EVERY SINGLE ARTIST in the world. Worldwide sales are NEVER published, all the info we have is the shipments (8 million). Coming from her record company, Time magazine, her manager, Billboard magazine, etc, etc, etc... I'm going to add the figure again, with a proper source and I ask you to stop removing it without a reason. Otherwise, I will have to report this incident. Thank you. Nympho wiki (talk) 22:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * But I have given a reason. If all the info we have is shipments, then why are we referring to them as actual sales? Yes, thank you for commenting on the matter, but kindly do not restore the information until further discussion. I'm not quite certain what you mean by "report this incident", but if you are going to re-add the info, please at least attribute whom it's coming from. Thank you. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Born This Way shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. --TheJJJunk (talk) 22:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The matter is undergoing discussion and was not an edit war: each revert was either to an unexplained edit or a helpful revert to a misguided edit. There was no warring going on here. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]

WikiCup 2012 March newsletter
We are over half way through the second round of this year's WikiCup and things are going well! , of Pool B, is our highest overall scorer thanks to his prolific writings on television and film. In second place is Pool H's, thanks primarily to work on biological articles, especially in marine biology and herpetology. Third place goes to Pool E's, who also writes primarily on biology (including ornithology and botany) and has already submitted two featured articles this round. Of the 63 contestants remaining, 15 (just under a quarter) have over 100 points this round. However, 25 are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly. 32 contestants, the top two from each pool and the 16 next-highest scorers, will advance to round 3.

Congratulations to, whose impressive File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg became the competition's first featured picture. Also, congratulations to, who claimed good topic points, our first contestant this year to do so, for his work on Featured topics/1982 Atlantic hurricane season. This leaves featured topics and featured portals as the only sources of points not yet utilised. However, as recent statistics from show, no source has yet been utilised this competition to the same extent it has been previously!

It has been observed that the backlogs at good article candidates are building up again. While the points for good article reviews will be remaining constant, any help that can be offered keeping the backlog down would be appreciated. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 23:31, 31 March 2012 (UTC)