User talk:Wikipelli/Archive 8

Your message at User talk:Kery sprm
I think I should point out that your message at User talk:Kery sprm is wrong and, as such, unhelpful. It is sometimes allowable to copy from other websites, either when the material is in the public domain or when we have appropriate permissions either because OTRS has an appropriate e-mail or if the website states that it's content is released under a usable license. As WP:Copy-paste states "It is acceptable to copy and paste text from public domain sources or those that are explicitly licensed under a compatible licensing scheme". Dpmuk (talk) 13:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're quite right and, though I couldn't have cited chapter and verse, I knew that it was sometimes allowable. I guess my feeling when composing my response (given the editor's frustrations) was that I would keep it as simple as possible for that context as he indicated that his employer would not give license and that it wasn't public domain. Probably not a good idea. Thanks for the correction!   Wikipelli Talk   13:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Has he said that his employer wouldn't give permission - could you point me to where as I seem to have missed that in the walls of text. Sorry if the above was a bit short - I was met be a wall of text when I checked into wikipedia this morning and I really should be doing other stuff right now than trying to sort this out. Dpmuk (talk) 13:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry my bad - too early in the morning - got it now. Will go and refactor my reply. Dpmuk (talk) 13:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try and sort out the copyvio tag on the article later (run out of time now) but if, in the meantime, you want to go ahead and return the article to it's previous state before this editor edited feel free to do so although it may be wise to reference this conversation to make it clear that you have permission from an admin to do so given what it says on the tag. Dpmuk (talk) 14:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll do that, thanks!   Wikipelli Talk   14:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage newsletter
Hey all!

Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).

In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!

Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Greetings and thank you for your information on the rules of Wikipedia
Hello Wikipelli,

Thanks a lot for guiding me on the rules and regulations of Wikipedia. I believe in order and structure in most things seeing that's how most of everything in existence runs. Also, having people around to ensure the quality of something as important as a free encyclopaedia is paramount to its integrity. Thanks for that too.

About a year ago my wife and I joined a meditation center in order to meditate to decrease stress, increase brain activity, and over all physical well being. After a while, I started to notice that things were not as they professed. Focus and praise for the founder started to take over the sessions. Immediately, red lights started to pop up, " CULT", "CULT", She pays less attention to our children, spends more time with the other practitioners, and debases me by saying you can't understand what I mean because of your way of thinking. This too is a sign I noticed.

I fear that this might be the making of another aum shinrikyo, heaven's gate, or worse, Jonestown malevolent cult. Therefore, I put up the page that I did and now realize the method was incongruent with the rules and regulations of Wikipedia. There is little to no information on the internet about the negative sides of this group due to it being relatively new in the US. How could I bring awareness of the possible dangers of this group and remain within the guidelines of Wikipedia?

Also, the reason I used the knowthemaum pseudonym was to save my wife any embarrassment, or grief as a backlash from using my own name. I can see how that would be frowned upon ( I like how you used such a nice euphemism for that one.) Once again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work.

Best, knowthemaum — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowthemaum (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You're quite welcome. It was apparent that you feel strongly but, again, Wikipedia must remain neutral. Having said that, neutrality is supported by presenting ALL relevant information about a topic. Thus, you're not precluded from including information that illustrates controversies related to the organization. For example, I just looked at the article on the Catholic Church and found that the article includes information on scandals in recent years. This is hardly positive information about the church, but it is relevant and factual - and, most importantly, cited with references.  So, if you had information from a source that supported your information about the subject of the article, you could include it.


 * Just so you're aware, though, that just as you feel strongly one way, there will be other editors that feel just as strongly the other way. Don't get into a battle over including information. The article's talk page is designed to be a forum for reaching consensus. If I can help, please let me know.   Wikipelli  Talk   18:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

GA Thanks
On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I would like to thank you for your contributions to Spirit Fruit Society, which has fairly recently achieved WP:GA status.

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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help triage some feedback
Hey guys.

I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

change preferences
Hi Wikipelli, i tried to change the user preferences, then i get an error "There are problems with some of your input". Is there an option "turn on usable error messages" as well? --Mickeym1960 (talk) 15:18, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that. And yes, sometimes the messages are kind of cryptic. :) What preferences were you trying to change?   Wikipelli  Talk   17:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Image help
Would just like some simple form of image help, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rvpisagooner (talk • contribs) 18:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Rvpisagooner.... Can you be more specific about what you're having problems with? This page gives a pretty good explanation about using images.  Though, I have to confess, images are one of the toughest things for me. :)  Generally, while you are editing an article, you can click "Upload File" from the menu on the left side of the screen. That will walk you through the process of uploading. One of the reasons that it's complicated is that Wikipedia needs to take care that images are used legally. Photos and other images must be in the public domain, your own work (a photo that you've taken yourself), or the work is licensed for re-use. Otherwise, there will likely be a copyright violation. Check out the images page I linked to above and then try the upload. Let me know how it goes!   Wikipelli  Talk   18:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your helping
First of all, your helping is really appreciated. The thing I wonder is where did you see my feedback? Is there a list where feedback messages are listed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derpapalagi (talk • contribs) 22:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a feedback dashboard where I see the messages that people leave. Volunteers like me can go there and answer questions and respond to comments that users make. It's a nice system. You can see the questions/comments here. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help!   Wikipelli Talk   22:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Tai-Chi listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Tai-Chi. Since you had some involvement with the Tai-Chi redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Other related redirects are nominated at the same link. ~ Kimelea (talk)  03:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Dashboard
Hi Wikipelli, I've been working on the Feedback Dashboard alongside you for a few days and I have to admit to copying some of your responses. (Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!!) Please, can you put this on your watchlist. I'm not sure what to think and I'd be happier if someone else was looking out as well.--Harkey (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment! :) I don't know if my responses are any good or not. Just talking... :)


 * I noticed the editor's feedback and was all set to respond with some wise words about giving opinions and NPOV but when I saw the talk page I kind of lost heart. :) Glad you picked it up. I need to come up with a good way to explain that we're really trying to make an encyclopedia here and it's not for fun. I haven't found it yet! I'll put the page on my watchlist and we'll see where they go next.  Only 1 article edit (unconstructive) in their contribs, btw... Cheers!   Wikipelli  Talk   21:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, I took a look at the above talk page. It looks as though whoever's page it is has at least one other account, . Likely, and possibly others as well. May be worthwhile for someone to politely mention that it generally isn't permitted to do that. Calabe1992 21:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Similar, but I'm not convinced their the same person. Unless you have some dots you can connect for me. It's not far out of the realm of possibilities to presume they are all students in the same class/school all getting WP accounts together. I'll keep pages on my watchlist, though. None of them have really ventured into article space, though.   Wikipelli  Talk   22:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Very true. At least they're not being disruptive. Something tells me they're not aware of the purpose of File:Lolicon Sample.png, however. Calabe1992 22:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Check out contribs of Harkey (talk) 22:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * All of Homorash's edits were on one day back in February. Maybe Gamegirl is Homorash and she forgot the password after making the account in February. :) Though, the account activity does overlap for a few hours. Still, not disruptive yet. Don't hear any complaints.   Wikipelli  Talk   23:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Rascher
Thank you for your response. Please let me know which item(s) you think need to have more proof than the reference to the archive. Since I owned all materials before donating my father's entire estate to the state university, I am of course more familiar with it than any other person. For me it is important to set facts straight as long as I am still around. Rest assured that each concerto etc. mentioned, is in manuscript form at the archive. Carina Rascher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kattamaki (talk • contribs) 06:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Kattamaki... I spent some time working on the article late last night and again this morning. I have found references online (your father was quite prodigious!) and included some in the article. I also did a little copy/editing of the paragraphs - mostly to break them up, improve the flow a little, and to comply with Wikipedia's style guidelines.
 * I do not think you will have any trouble finding references to information online. Through simple Google searching I was able to find a great deal of information. However, you must remember that it will likely not be sufficient to cite the archives and say that the information is there. It will be necessary to provide a citation to a specific manuscript, review, letter, musical score, etc. Are the archives indexed in some way? For example, if I wished to verify that  Luciano Berio wrote for the quartet, is there a specific artifact that can be identified in the archive to verify that information?  I believe that you will need to cite that so that scholars, other editors, and interested readers would be able to find it.
 * I confess that I am not a musician and not an expert about these things. I am going to contact another editor who is a musician and works with articles about music and musicians for input.   Wikipelli Talk   15:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Pelle,  Thank you for your help, I am quite pleased with the outcome. There is one important fact missing and that is the time SMR spent in Cuba and why. If you allow me a bit of time, I will find the exact dates and then put something together for you to look at. You see, I live in Germany and the archive is in Fredonia,NY. However the curator and the student assistants will gladly be of help. I do know that the entire estate is filed under librarian standards and there is a search machine, I do not know about the index situation. That would make life easier, because all my statements CAN be prooven by actual documents.For example, I would like to add the exact dates and location of the premieres of the concertos mentioned. The more exact it is, the less margin for error.
 * Would be nice to know where you are(what state) so that I don't get a feeling of corresponding with a phantom!!
 * Best wishes,
 * Carina
 * Hi Carina! I was just working on the article when your message came. I'm a teacher in an elementary school in the state of Virginia. (students are taking standardized tests right now so I can 'play' on Wikipedia!)
 * I have been going through a little and just editing bits and pieces. I was looking at SMR's teaching career and was about to go and look for references. There are many out there, I think.
 * Take your time and don't hesitate to edit the article when you wish. I don't think the addition of information will likely be controversial so we can add references as we find them. I think it would be a GREAT project for students of his work to work on the article! (I used to teach at a university).
 * I have enlisted the help of another editor who is a classical musician himself and he said that he would take a look at the article to help!
 * Feel free to leave me a message anytime! Have a great day!   Wikipelli Talk   14:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

how do i add a PDF?
Thanks for your feedback- I realize that links to a refernce source is critical and teh one I deleted was also a dead link. I wanted to post a PDF of the standard an poors report from feb 2012 but I could not figure how to do it. Bondman07052 (talk) 20:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The short answer is that you really can't and, if it's a document published by Standard and Poors, you should find it on the web (ideally on S&P's web site) and link to that. The longer answer, and I'm still researching it, is that if YOU provide a document to support something in an article, it is self-published. Consider:  I could very easily create a document saying that Barrack Obama was born in Moscow.  I could use my editing tools and create a very nice, authentic looking document and then upload it and say, "see?  here's proof!".  The fact that the document is on S&P's website is what makes it reliable because they published it, not you.  Does that make sense?  I hope so. Bear in mind that I don't for a minute think that you're creating the document!  :)  I'm only saying that it would be open to questions by other editors/readers who would ask about the authenticity. So.. best case, can you find it online somewhere and link to it?  If so, and if you need a hand with the reference, please let me know.  I'm happy to guide you through the process.  Let me know if this doesn't make sense to you. I'll try to find more information on Wikipedia this evening.   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   21:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hiding Feedback
Hey, I saw you did a little workaround to obscure this feedback by a blocked editor. Do you think it's too hard to or not clear how to request a sysop hide feedback? I'm always open to requests, but of course I sleep sometimes too. ;) Perhaps we should request that a section for feedback hiding by added to AIV or RFPP? <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   22:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sure I could get a sysop to do it, but it seems a trivial task. So many times the feedback dashboard has comments from editors that are just 'playing'. I know they are playing, I know they are vandalizing sometimes, and I think that my responses won't really sway them - not AGF, I guess, but you get to the point where you just kinda know.
 * So, I took a little leap to get the one response off the list. Then I was a little concerned about how it might appear to that editor on his/her talk page - rubbing it in? and I deleted it.  I think in the case of the Feedback Dashboard it's just best to ignore sometimes. :)    Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   22:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

How to make your username look different?
I am sorry for the edit I made. I have question. Your username appears green and in a different font at my talk page. How did you do that? Can you actually make your usernames look different like you did? If yes, please explain me how do to it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.212.84.169 (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You can change the look of your signature but first you must make an account on Wikipedia. Make yourself an account and I'll show you how!   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   17:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Block request
Yes I want it. pls do me a favor.--Player23 (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've reported your name to administrators and that you wish to be blocked.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   17:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

qustions
How do u make a page???? i dont know how to make a page and can u talk to other users or just u? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsterbulli911 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Monsterbulli... It depends on what type of page you'd like to make. You can click on your name at the top of the screen to create a page about you. If you click on my name you'll see my user page.  Usually it just contains some basic information about yourself and what your interests are.
 * If you want to create an article, I'd suggest that you first create the article in your userspace. All that means is that it is not part of the encyclopedia yet. It's a good place to practice and get to know more about editing. It also allows other editors to look over what you've written to give you advice. You can work on the article by clicking here. This will be your 'sandbox'.
 * If you have any other questions, please let me know! Oh, yes, you can leave messages on anyone's talk page. :)    Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   18:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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A big NPT update
Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:

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 * Fixes for the "moved pages do not show up in Special:NewPages" and "pages created from redirects do not show up in Special:NewPages" bugs have been completed and signed off on. Unfortunately we won't be able to integrate them into the existing version, but they will be worked into the Page Triage interface.
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All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.

Stuff to look at

We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.

I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or something.

I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:07, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sigurd Rascher
Dear Mr.Pelli, Someone told me about the page here on my father Sigurd Rascher, whereupon I noticed many factual mistakes that had to be corrected. I have spent the last ten years working for the Sigurd Rascher Archive at the State University of New York and can therefore assure you that all information that I have provided is based on facts. The reason I wrote edited by CR was so that saxophonists will know for sure that the source is dependable and correct. I am not an unknown in the classical saxophone world after a career of 52 years. If you think I should add "Taken from the Rascher Archive" I certainly can do that. Thank you for your concern. Good luck for your work with Wikipedia. Carina Rascher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kattamaki (talk • contribs) 20:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you shouldn't put that. What would be best is if you could cite your sources (archive). I appreciate completely that you are editing in good faith but Wikipedia requires references in the article. Please have a look at the links I have given above.  If you need help citing the sources, please let me know!  :)    Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   21:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

5th of April 2012 Dear Wilipelli, Hope you are enjoying Easter vacation. May I give you some information? Part 1: citation for Tibia - Tibia, Magazin für Freunde Alter und Neuer Blasmusik (Magazine for Friends of Old and New Wind Music), 1979 - Heft 3, Seite 401 - Berichte (1979 - Issue 3, Page 401 - Reviews) Moeck Verlag, Celle, Deutschland (Moeck Publishers, Celle(name of town)Germany) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kattamaki (talk • contribs) 14:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've added the resource to the article!    Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   22:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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E-TRANSLATING
Please bear with us for a bit more. We are going to export all translation drafts to the Spanish version of the wikipedia. Thank you --Mcptrad (talk) 15:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, though, while the drafts are in the encyclopedia, they are susceptible to being deleted or edited by others. They would be safer as subpages for your students. If I can help in any way, please feel free to let me know! :)   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   15:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Article deletions process
It is now more clear than ever why every university professors tell their students the very first day of class, "Wikipedia is not a valid resource for your research." The editing and deletion process is totally subjective. How a 20 year old guy in the military that lists "I like playing video games like World of Warcraft and Battlefield 2" as one of his significant attributes - who has no knowledge of academia or the field of architecture - is qualified to edit anything is beyond me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojostella6 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll tell ya, Jojostella... I'm a university professor and I (and all the other professors I know) tell our students that Wikipedia is absolutely valid for research - as long as it is not the only source for research. Information is available everywhere - from traditional books, encyclopedia, 'experts' ... to new sources like blogs, wikipedia, et al. And it is all valid.  Valid, mind you, which is not the same as 'accurate'.  It is up to the students to access a variety of sources and then make up their minds after weighing the relative verifiability of different views.


 * I think what you're upset about is the fact that an article that you created (or edited, or just about something or someone you liked) was deleted from Wikipedia. Several weeks ago I wrote you about that and gave you a link to check on the 'notability' aspect of having articles in Wikipedia. Despite the fact that the volume of information on Wikipedia is apparently limitless, it does have limits. The encyclopedia simply cannot have articles on everyone and everything. So, we have the process whereby consensus is reached on whether or not articles are kept or deleted. This process is open to all editors - there is no requirement on expertise or experience. In my opinion, that's how Wikipedia has to work. If article creation and deletion are left to only those who are experts on those particular subjects, then the project becomes the same as traditional encyclopedias. There is too much risk of biased and non-neutral points of views (something that, to me, makes Encyclopedia Britannica flawed).


 * Be that as it may, the system here is what it is. An article is nominated for deletion and EVERY editor is welcome to come and state why it should or should not be deleted. I find it interesting that, despite the notifications left on your talk page, you chose not to participate in the discussion.  Thus, the only 'voice' was that of someone that likes to play video games.   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   17:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: information removed from Kappa Kappa Psi wiki
While the information is properly sourced, and correct, that matter as stated has been resolved totally in the courts, and that repsective chapter has been re-chartered and is flourishing. As a member of kappa kappa psi, and someone who serves a national position, i am only concerned with the image of the fraternity as a whole, and i feel that negative information such as that i tried to edit out, only serve to promote a negative image of a positive organization, as well as the fact that, that issue is no longer that-an issue, as it has been, as stated resolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamFilm (talk • contribs) 01:26, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sensitive to your desire to exclude the information. Though I'm not a member, my son is a VERY proud member of the organization and, by extension, I'm very interested in the organization as well. However, Wikipedia is NOT the organization's website and the information about the lawsuit IS encyclopedic. This is my opinion and the opinion of the editor who originally added the information to the article. Information about companies, people, events, and products here is presented with the good and the bad.


 * Wikipedia is built on consensus, though. If you would like to state your reasoning for excluding the information on the article's talk page, perhaps other editors would support your view that the information should not be a part of the article, in which case, the Wikipedia community might support excluding the information. However, I think your cause is best served by highlighting and including the good works of the organization and trusting the readers to judge the effects of the lawsuit. I wish you well.  :)    Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   01:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A post-script... I think it would be appropriate for you to add the information (properly sourced) that the chapter in question HAS been reinstated and is flourishing. :)   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   02:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, appropriate only if they HAVE been reinstated!   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   19:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I hope! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks! the list has been added. :)   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   10:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

There should be another batch now! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it! They're watched. Also following the discussion re:unwatched pages. Thanks   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   08:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Hio
I want to nominate '''you for Adminship! ''' Do you accept? Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 14:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but no. Not right now. :)   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   14:17, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You could be a great candidate. Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 14:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope one day I will, but not now. Thanks.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   21:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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Wikilinks
"Terrible": I can stand the sarcasm - I have a good line in it myself. Just checking that you understand the difference between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EnriqueGarcia/Translationdraft and User:EnriqueGarcia/Translationdraft and have a view as to which is the better format to use. I think it was terrible to see someone with 64000 edits using the wrong format. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I do and I figured that you could :) I just thought better of leaving it on the project page rather than write you (more civilly) later to ask. I also had some concerns about the project leader understanding the Wikilink.
 * I try to save sarcasm for Facebook.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   09:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Wiipelli I am not schooled in your ways
Hi,

As I am sure many men are guilty of I never read the manual unless something does not work, but am not to proud to ask directions.

My bit about Bertie Bassett being invented by my late father is, I agree somewhat hearsay, albeit from both my parents. My motives however are entirely lighthearted, so that an iconic brand character might be attributed to the right person.

I shall be fascinated if anyone else claims the idea as it might throw light on which firms where involved.

I shall be grateful if you would enlighten on what you might mean by "lost", as I wasnt sure it would be accepted anyway.

Kind regards chrisOldsporran (talk) 23:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Oldsporran.... :) Thanks for your note and I'm sorry it's taken awhile to get back to you.  I think we're both a little confused.  On April 15 you posted a message to the Feedback Dashboard that read, "I lost the saved reasons".  I responded to you that I didn't understand what you meant by it. Hence my question about 'lost'. :)


 * I did read over your edit to the Bertie Bassett article which I found very interesting. I also assume that you added the content about your father prior to creating your account. This information really shouldn't come from an unverified source (your mother, in this case). It's been left for now, but another editor might challenge it.  If you can find any reliable 3rd party sources to verify the information, I think it would be an excellent addition to the article.


 * If there's anything else I can help with, please don't hesitate to let me know.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   11:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Help
i need help--asten (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

well your talk page is so cool and would like to know how to do that--asten (talk) 18:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It just takes some practice with the coding... looking at other people's pages and seeing what I like and don't like... and then playing around until it looks right. If you want to practice, you can click here and you'll be on YOUR 'sandbox'. This is a page that's not part of the encyclopedia and you can practice with editing there.   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   18:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

helo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keegan1999 (talk • contribs) 18:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Asten   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   18:33, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

sorry but i still don't git it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keegan1999 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about making your pages look 'cool' for now. Use the links in the Welcome message that I left on your talk page until you know your way around better. :) Browse the articles, check out some that are interesting to you, and perhaps you can help add information to articles or correct any mistakes that you find.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   18:42, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

i will git it sometime an pleas call me by my user name--asten (talk) 18:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, Asten... Good luck!   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   18:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

i just wanted to know how to do the photos--asten (talk) 18:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Try this page for help on images and photos.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   19:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

talk to you later — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keegan1999 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

do yiu know how I can be a adopter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keegan1999 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you mean you want to adopt someone on Wikipedia or be adopted by someone else? (also, always remember to 'sign' your messages by putting four tildes after your message  (~)    Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   14:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * i want to be an adopter--asten (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it might be a little premature to be an adopter of someone on Wikipedia. Usually, the person that adopts another editor is someone that has a lot of experience and can help the adoptee learn about Wikipedia, how to edit, and how to use the tools. I think right now you're still quite new to the system and you probably wouldn't be successful in adopting another user.


 * You might want to wait a few months - edit some articles, perhaps create an article or two - and become more familiar with Wikipedia and then think about adopting. :)   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   15:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

so do you

asten (talk) 15:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC) <br style="clear: both"/>

i need help with the photos i dun every thing you told me to do but i stil git nothig--asten (talk) 15:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You have to tell me more about what you want to do and where you are having problems. Usually, if you wish to add an image to an article or page, you click "Upload a file" on the left side of the page and you will be guided through the process.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   15:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

can i help stop vandalising an i was talking about userboxses am i making you mad if i am i'm sorry--asten (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No... you're not making me mad at all. You're new and have questions, that's perfectly fine. The easiest way to help with vandalism is to watch pages in your watchlist (read about it here). You can also read more on this page.  The reason I give you pages to look at is that other people have already written very good explanations of things on Wikipedia and my explanations probably wouldn't be as good!  If you're interested in adding userboxes to your user page, you can read about them (and find many links to userboxes) on this page.   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   15:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

how do i use huggle. your the only on helping me why is that. i ask others to help but nothing. can itszippy adopt me will you ask him for me --asten (talk) 15:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Huggle is kind of a powerful too for fighting vandalism. It's VERY easy to make mistakes and that gets lots of people upset with you! :)  Believe me, I've made many mistakes.  I really recommend that you get more experience fighting vandals manually for a little while before you try Huggle. You can download and use it at any time (go to Huggle for more information) but, like I said, I think you want to have more experience before you use it.
 * Here's what I did for a long time before I started using Huggle. On the left side of the Wikipedia window you'll see a link to 'Recent changes'. Click that link and then at the top find "IP Contribs" If you click that link you'll go to a page that shows all of the changes that anonymous (or IP) editors have made recently. You can check them to see if they are vandalism and then you can 'undo' their changes if they are vandalism.


 * PLEASE please please... read the page that I linked above about vandalism! :) It's very important that you understand the difference between vandalism and edits that are just bad. Sometimes a bad edit can be a good faith edit.  In other words, the editor is trying to help, but just did a poor job of it. That's very different from vandalism!


 * Don't be in a hurry to do things on Wikipedia. :) Please take your time and explore. READ a lot!!  There are so many help pages out there to get you started. I'll help if you have specific questions but it really does take a bit of time to really get the hang of it!


 * You have to understand, the editors here are all busy writing and editing the encyclopedia! Some are not logged on that often and others are busy with other tasks. Be patient!  You might also want to read the adoption page and put your name in as someone who is interested in being adopted. According to that page, ItsZippy is open to adopting new editors. All you have to do is leave a message on his talk page.    Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   16:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

i canged my signicher--keegan1999 (talk) 16:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * do you know any thing i can do--keegan1999 (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you look at the adoption page? There are many editors there that are willing to adopt. Read over the page and choose someone to adopt you. I'm also putting a notice on your user page that will automatically add you to a list of users that want to be adopted.
 * ->helpful hint on messages: You don't have to put a new subject in every time you leave a message. Just click "Edit" at the top of the talk page, scroll down to the bottom, and then add your comments to those that are already there. When you reply to someone, put colons in front of your message and that will indent it.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   16:34, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * keegan1999 is asten . an i do read the stuf you give me--keegan1999 (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

thank you how did you that--keegan1999 (talk) 16:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's on the top of the page I gave you before: adopt-a-user   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   16:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC

do know darkadut he is mean--keegan1999 (talk) 17:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Big text i'm being adopted! thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank you--keegan1999 (talk) 17:49, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! Good Luck!   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   17:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

do you thank a do what you want ardicil is a good idea--keegan1999 (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

if so look it up an put a lot of helpful imfo on it --keegan1999 (talk) 18:09, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

My first article/page
thanks! Nice of you to welcome me.

I have tried to make some contributions, and then over the course of the month i have created a page for superior threads. (i didnt know what else to make one for, i'm very familiar with them because i use their thread)

it looks like the page was deleted already: 20:26, 20 April 2012 NawlinWiki (talk | contribs) deleted page Superior Threads (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content))

im not sure what i did wrong, do i need to have more discussion on it's significance? they are one of the largest thread providers/suppliers in the united states, and are very popular among the quilting and sewing circles, but i dont know how anyone outside of those circles would know anything about them. do i make this incorrectly or should i have not written it?

thanks, Mikki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrs.scrapbook0473 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, Mikki, the teacher in me says, "of course you should have written it! if only for the learning experience!". I looked at the article in your userspace and it's solid, well-written, a little weak on references, but otherwise, a nice article. Well done!


 * Now, here's the hard part... Though the article was done well, the company has to be shown to be notable. That is to say, what is it about this company that makes it worthy of an encyclopedia entry? Obviously, with millions (billions?) of different companies out there, not all can have a page in an encyclopedia. The page was deleted because it was not shown to be notable. Editors on Wikipedia are very sensitive about this, too, because Wikipedia could easily become an advertising venue for any company and that's not what's wanted.


 * I encourage you to read this page about notability criteria for companies and organizations. Read the top part for general guidelines and then skip down to the section about commercial organizations. That'll help you see what's needed for a company to have a page here.
 * This is not to say that Superior Threads shouldn't have an article, it just means that in order to pass the 'review', if you will, more reliable, 3rd party sources are needed to show that it is notable.


 * And, if it's not notable, please don't be discouraged! You edit well and you are enthusiastic and I hope you stick around and find other articles to write and edit!  If you ever have questions or problems, please don't hesitate to let me know!   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   21:34, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Definately more helpful. I'll see what i can find on em, if not...oh well. 21:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Mikki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrs.scrapbook0473 (talk • contribs)
 * Good for you! Hang in there.  Keep me posted on how things are going!   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   21:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, this is MsPitchCatch, and I wanted to say thanks for editing my article Priscilla the Great, and also say thanks for the tips, everything was extremely helpful. If there is any other tips you would like to give me, tell me on my talk page. Thanks. MsPitchCatch (talk) 18:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)MsPitchCatchMsPitchCatch (talk) 18:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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please help me in limiting vandals
please help me in limiting vandals.iam new to wiki and here i found out that some pages that are about religion or God are continuosly visited by vandals who deliberately edit,delete,modify even abuse thus sabotaging the article and wiki.please tell me how to complaint or limit them.wiki is a great place for sharing knowledge and vandals intentionally work against it and also when they vandalize pages about religions then they automatically hurt the sentiments of many thus creating a stir making the place a disappointment(ANSHU.SHARMA999 (talk) 21:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC))
 * Hi Anshu.Sharma.... I think a good place to start would be this page about vandalism. This page will tell you first how to recognize vandalism (remember, it's not just because someone's views are different from yours!) This section tells you how to deal with vandalism when you find it. If there are specific pages that you are working on that are being vandalized, let me know and I'll watch them.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   21:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Spotsylvania County Public Schools Article
I noticed that you are a WikiProject Virginia member who is listed at Talk:Spotsylvania County Public Schools as watching that article, and I wanted to let you know that I have added the article to WikiProject Virginia and submitted an assessment request. Any thoughts you have regarding the article's assessment would be most appreciated. --TommyBoy (talk) 09:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm an employee there, actually, and it's on my watchlist. I haven't visited the article in awhile. I'll check it. I'm sure it needs some work.   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   17:55, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for disclosing your employment with the Spotsylvania County Public Schools, as that could pose a potential conflict of interest for you to assess that article. --TommyBoy (talk) 19:19, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought as much... :)   Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   19:20, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Thanks, Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 20:17, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Would you consider using my topicon, it's a replacement of yours but with actual topicon code. Example is at User:Tomtomn00/pgs - the template is Template:DYK user action topicon large (large) or Template:DYK user action topicon (normal) --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 21:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * any particular reason?   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   22:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, other than shorter code. --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 22:10, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look at it. We'll see. Find anything new about Joe Rosentover? that nom at DYK is languishing. I added that he was in the hall of fame. It's your article, it's your nom for DYK.. focus on it. Get it right. <font color="#01796F">Wikipelli <font color="#7b68ee">Talk  ' 22:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't find any sources. :{ --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 22:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, frankly, that should have been discovered before you nominated the article for DYK! If you had gone slow and been sure, then the DYK nom wouldn't be in the mess it's in now. YOU created the article, YOU nominated it. TomTom.. that means that YOU have a vested interest in (and responsibility for) the article! Now, since you say that you can't find resources and you can't (apparently) edit the article, how about withdrawing the nomination - with apologies.


 * Seriously, if you put just 1/2 the time into improving the Joe Rosentover article that you put into formatting your user and sub-pages to show how wonderful you are, you'd have some very nice articles under your belt.


 * Let it go! Find a topic that you're interested in and make good articles! You want to be recognized... you want to have top icons... but you really have to stop and just understand that it takes time. I've said it before, but it's all I have left... slow down...  Wikipelli  <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   22:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I've let it go, closed the DYK nomination with an apology. --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 23:08, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * all well and good. Now, my opinion is, just concentrate on creating/writing articless. OR... just fighting vandals... OR... whatever you choose... just stop trying to be, frankly, impressive. YOU do the work.. no-one can take that from you. Find a topic that interests you and go with it (seriously, did you have ANY interest in Joe Rosentover?? No... you didn't.. :) In my opinion, the project is going to survive (or not) based on editors creating articles about which they are knowledgeable and passionate. Don't think about your lists.. don't sweat the 'bling'.. I'll let you in on a secret... I have the most respect for those editors that don't even have a userpage - or topicons or anything! That tells me that they're only focused on the encyclopedia   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   23:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd class them as logs, but I could just keep one on Notepad, and do less 'bling' edits. --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 23:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I am so, so sorry for being an idiot.
When you told me that my page was going to get deleted, I just acted in a completely unorthodox way. I just had a lot of stress on my mind, you see? I apologize with as much of my body as there is for doing that. Anyway, my article wasn't finished, so maybe next time I could type it up on Notepad and copy & paste it to Wikipedia? Please forgive me, I feel horrible! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwongo (talk • contribs) 01:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

 * Thanks! Sometimes I can't hold my tongue and I end up butting in, but I hate that kind of stuff. Glad it worked out.   Wikipelli <sup style="color:#7b68ee;">Talk   11:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn right, sorry but this person is like a rabid dog and it was really appreciated as it could've gotten really out of hand. Enjoy the baklava, maybe with some peppermint tea. <font color="B22222">Captain <font color="DAA520">Screebo <font color="32CD32">Parley! 11:34, 28 April 2012 (UTC)