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bin Laden
Despite the criticism of Pakistan for allegedly protecting bin Laden, has anyone asked the flip side of the question? Namely, with as much military presence they apparently have in that city, how did a group of US commandos manage to pull this off? Is the Pakistani Army really that incompetent? Or did they double-cross bin Laden? Rhetorical questions. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:32, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * if that sort of info is reported in WP:RS it should definitely be included. to answer that rhetorical question for the sake of discussion on my talk page.  Pakistani Army is not incompetent ( they lasted a good 13 days before letting India dismember their motherland in Indo-Pakistani War of 1971) Likely ISI was not told about this but clearly some elements in Pakistan must have collaborated (even if it was in return for boatloads of dollars).  Also I would infer that US special forces showed extraordinary competence in pulling this one off right from under the noses of Pakistani military establishment. several sources have said that Pakistan was told only after the operation and I have no reason to suspect that.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Once they figured out where bin Laden was, they could take their time and make meticulous plans for pulling off a successful raid. This contrasts dramatically with Carter's disastrous attempt to rescue the 50 hostages in 1979, if you're old enough to remember that. It occurs to me that politically it might be good to make Pakistan appear to have been caught flatfooted as opposed to double-crossing bin Laden's group. Sometimes it's politically safer to look incompetent. At this point, I wouldn't rule anything out. Pakistan has to tread a fine line with this one. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * well I can tell you now. nobody in Pakistan will believe what they dont want to believe.  I can see intensifying heat on Zardari about selling out Pakistan.  Already calls of "violation of Pakistani sovereignty" are being heard.  But nobody will say that yes the vast majority in Pakistan is neck deep in with these buggers and the 4 US supporters in that country are actually CIA agents.  The problems with us Americans is that we still believe that the Jihadists/Pakistanis can be reformed.   On Partition of India all the moderate muslims stayed in India while the fanatics went to Pakistan.  it is a heavily preselected population. Therefore a moderate Pakistan is a misnomer. the sooner everybody realizes that sooner we can move on to the next step.--Wikireader41 (talk) 17:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * My work colleagues from India know it well. Pakistan is not to be trusted. Thanks for that wikileaks note, as it adds a lot of interesting information. If true, the Pakistani regime is up to their adams-apple in this game. It also explains why it took 4 or 5 years to get this plan executed. Speaking of executing, I recall after some other jihadist outrage around 2002 or 2003, Bill O'Reilly (of whom I am not a fan) said that the gauntlet had been thrown down (or words to that effect) and that there is only one possible solution: "Kill them. Kill them all." We're at war with this looneys, and as it's not a conventional war, there are almost no rules. A lot of people, including a lot of Muslims, are happy that OBL is dead. And when this other guy takes over, we need to hunt him down and kill him as well... and keep doing it until there's nobody willing to take the job. Unfortunately, that might take awhile. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * "On Partition of India all the moderate muslims stayed in India while the fanatics went to Pakistan." What a deluded piece of nonsense. I wonder what you learn in Indian educational curriculum? It is better, Wikireader41, if you keep your anti-Pakistan prejudice and rant out of Wikipedia please - it's for your own good. I have already thought several times of reporting you, as extremist, biased editors are a threat to the neutrality of Wikipedia. Some of your comments are really disgusting and revolting, to the extent that I actually have to waste my time in heated arguments. Mar4d (talk) 06:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In the case, could you throw some light on moderate views in Pakistan on treatment of Hindus in Pakistan please? I am sure many sources can be presented here (1, 2, 3, graph on population, etc.) to show that population of Hindus in Pakistan has dwindled, Hindus are troubled, harassed, raped, killed and cleansed in Pakistan, and there is not much work done in this regard at all. So could you explain please what have the moderates done for Hindus, considering the view that a substantial number of Pakistanis are moderates? I will be glad to hear it. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011  08:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

(od)Jinnah said and I quote: It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state, today 150 million Muslims live in India, Pakistan has been cleaned of all the Hindus barring a tiny minority. Who is prejudiced? Who is ranting? Perhaps the Indian education system is bad; did it not prouduce Jinnah who carved a Pakistan, but forgot an equal number of Muslims whom Pakistan wouldn't accomodate, though it was ethnically cleaned of its Hindus. Who is extremist, who is biased? Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC) The Tomahawks launched in the 1990s during the Clinton administration would have gotten Bin Laden thus preventing 9/11. But that did not happen because the Clinton administration chose to share the information with the treacherous Pakistani ISI even if it was just minutes before the firing of the missiles. What a terrible loss the world had to suffer because of that treachery. Zuggernaut (talk) 07:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. You are invited to take part in a 'Gordion knot vote' with three options on the future title of List of Indian inventions and discoveries. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 09:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:India interested in discussion?
Hi, would you like to add your understanding/feedback to this ongoing discussion please, considering your interest in India at Independence? ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011


 * Wow that was quick, thanks!!!!
 * Might want to make India page on Watchlist! ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011  18:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Info. on how to change name of article
Hi, any pointers please? I would like to suggest name change from Indian Rebellion of 1857 to India's 1857 War of Independence (or 1857 War of Indian Independence or similar). ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011  07:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * first we need to recruit more editors knowledgeable about Indian history. then we can have some hope of countering POV pushers like Fowler&fowler who are running amok on WP.  Kind of the same thing that Gandhi had to do really.  I find it very disturbing that WP has started many mini wikipedias in Indian languages so as to "divide and rule" and decrease the amount of time editors knowledgeable about India spend on english wikipedia. really unless the billion Indians are adequately represented on english wikipedia WP:BIAS issues will persist I am afraid.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is just not one man, he is amply aided by many other editors and even admins, including Indians like MikeL7 and so on. See how this guy User:MikeLynch. For example, in this discussion Talk:India/Archive_33, he kept asking


 * "is whether Bharat is a widely used alternative name for India";
 * "show reliable third party publications, which frequently use Bharat as an alternative for India. I am not talking about proper nouns, about organisations, or about government schemes. I am talking about normal newspaper reports, and journals.";

which are nonsense questions for that and kept interrupting.


 * But when I actually gave a source that explicitly names Bharat/Hindustan as names of India here "country's name" and here, he, and others, kept quite and let Fowlerx2 do his routine black humor - completely partisan approach just for disruption and a retarded exercise to avoid consensus.
 * What a pathetic mentality Hindus have to deal with here. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011  16:08, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, I have created a new article ""Goan drug mafia". I would like to put it on DYK, so let me know what the procedure is please. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011  18:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * the article seems to be in good shape. however I do not have much experience with DYK. you might want to discuss this with one of the admins on WP:DYK.  best of luck. --Wikireader41 (talk) 20:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Would like to discuss current disputes on sources of Hinduism?
Hi,

If interested in Hindu religious topic, could you read onwards from Talk:Hinduism about a dispute, and if convenient, put forth your views on the dispute resolution board please.

Updated
The Geert Wilders & his trial's page just have been updated and there are numerous sources (google counted 418 as of five hours ago). The trial is a real big issue, could it not be included in the "In the News" section? On Twitter it's now the biggest subject to date. Polozooza (talk) 15:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think it will get on ITN.--Wikireader41 (talk) 23:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

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Barack Obama visit to India
Hi! You may remember me from discussions at ITN.

I've created an article 2010 Barack Obama visit to India. At the moment it's still a stub pretty much. If I remember correctly you contributed to the previously deleted article Barack Obama's visit to India. Hopefully, following the precedent currently being set at Articles for deletion/2011 royal tour of Canada, the article won't be challenged this time or will survive an AfD. Your help in developing the article would be appreciated. Cheers!--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I thought the admin who deleted the Obama article acted pretty carelessly as even in that AfD no consensus to delete existed.  Thankfully he gave up his administrative tools soon thereafter.  If the AfD succeeeds should pursue WP:DRV and see what happens.--Wikireader41 (talk) 18:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I just voted to keep the article. Amazing to see so many people wanting to delete it. Zuggernaut (talk) 06:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the contribution.  Check out the previous deletion discussion if you want to arguments people made.  I think the opposition to this is due to two reasons: a)There's some paranoia on various parts of Wikipedia that there's too much stuff about Obama.  Some people post arguments not everything Obama does is notable as if we're making articles about his trips to the restroom; b) there's a feeling among many people that state visits (excluding anything related to the British royal family) are insignificant.  I think there's a feeling that they are just for show and not very significant in molding foreign relations.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If they delete this, I'm creating George W. Bush's vacations in Crawford, TX - that should be notable just for the duration and the number of vacations. Just kidding :-) Zuggernaut (talk) 14:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The inconsistency of application of various policies is the systemic problem on WP. In any given debate it boils down to what the debating editors Interpretation of policy is and most WP policies are not clear cut.  some of them are contradictory.  so I would guess if the same article was listed for deletion 4 different times we could possibly have 4 different results depending on which editors feel like showing up on a given day. Even the last AfD was closed by the closing admin stating that there was "rough consensus" to delete when the standard is "obvious consensus" per WP:NotEarly.  Looking at the Afd right now I do not see any kind of consensus emerging again so the Article needs to be kept ( which is the default situation when no consensus  emerges). great job John for working on this and my greetings from Chicagoland looks like you are familiar with this area.--Wikireader41 (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Congratulate me when the article passes AfD :). A couple of recent contributions have pushed consensus a bit towards keep so I'm hopeful.  However, I'm worried an admin will use the previous deletion of the article as a precedent and delete it if s/he feels there's no consensus this time.  While the !vote, is still split, I hope a sensible admin will come in a see that we've provided evidence that it meets WP:EVENT and does not fall under WP:NOTNEWS.  I'm from Illinois but from Downstate Illinois, though certainly familiar with Chi-town.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * lets hope we get a more knowledgeable admin to close this time. As you said WP:CCC so the past AfD is only of limited influence. like I said in order for the article to be deleted "obvious consensus" to delete needs to exist.  if their is no consensus then the default is to keep.  like with last AfD this one is showing a "No Consensus" with stronger arguments for keep. so the article should be kept.  otherwise we can consider getting another opinion at WP:DRV. we have been thinking of hiking Shawnee National Forest during fall for several years but haven't gotten around to doing it.--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:23, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like the article got deleted. It seems unfair to me that we have an article on the British royal couple (how many of them are there?) touring Canada when they are really doing nothing useful. And important visits such as these, which can potentially have an impact on billions of people, are not covered. Zuggernaut (talk) 05:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hittites and Turkey
If you want to discuss Hittites and Turks in detail, I'll be happy to do so, but I think it would derail the Indian inventions talk page. How about doing so here? Yours, Huon (talk) 00:31, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree best to stick to discussion on India on that page. I only mentioned it since you brought it up.  I have limited time I can devote to WP and much on my to do list.  but if you provide some links to RS I will take a look when I get a chance.  Thanx. --Wikireader41 (talk) 00:48, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

1857
This is regards to your arguments on the India talk page, please see the following, Talk:India. Regards.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 04:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Maha Vir Chakra
All the points you make and all the positions you take in the 2nd portion of your edit at Talk:India are identical to mine. And you know what happened to me. You will likely attract the same crowd and things might start heating up. Just wanted to caution you. Also I've been to the systemic bias page and you can find a summary of issues I faced there. I think I got in to trouble because of the Churchill "I hate Hindus - they are a beastly people with a beastly religion" quote which I raised at India and Famine in India. Zuggernaut (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We shall see. lets see if we get an answer and what the answer is. if we can make some editors aware of double standards they might have and be open to alternate ideas then I think we have achieved something. Churchill had very similar views on Muslims too. Thanx anyway.--Wikireader41 (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Historical GDPs
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Golden age
I remember reading that "golden age" is term that's not used that frequently anymore. I don't recall correctly whether it was on Talk:India or WT:IN but this was discussed somewhere. It might be worth adding WT:IN to your watchlist since it is the central place for India related issues. Zuggernaut (talk) 05:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * well that would be violation of WP:RECENTISM the question is whether it has been used ever or not.  multiple RS describe the time of Gupta's as a Golden age if not the golden age in Indian history.  some of the RS I pointed to are pretty recent and written by non Hindu nationalists.  al  points of view need to be given due weight.  that is how this discussion needs to proceed .  not a blanket removal of the term because Fowler&fowlers favorite history textbook says otherwise.Wikireader41 (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's the link to my try to do the same from the talk page archive. You can read up on what the arguments are going to be like - rewriting the India lead. The archives of that page are rich in arguments and discussions. Zuggernaut (talk) 15:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Aafia Siddiqui on WP:DRN
Hello. This is to let you know that I have named you as a disputant on. Regards, causa sui (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Well done in being reasonable when dealing with a situation that isn't. Cheers- V7-sport (talk) 07:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanx--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * sorry. I dont live in India.  best of luck though.--Wikireader41 (talk) 16:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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I would also like to bring to your notice the Page Kashmir Conflict the user Mustihussain has already done many vandalistic changes on the article that had been noticed and reverted by other editors in past. Mustihussain keeps editing the content and presents not a neutral viewpoint to the issue but a viewpoint biased with Pakistan.I tried to revert back to the last neutral version by Wikireader41 but he has edited it again. I am not reverting his changes any more as i feel that if i do it again he will revert it back. Hence I am bringing it to your notice, I am leaving the matter for your kind consideration as i am not a senior user of Wikipedia. Kindly look into the matter and revert back the vandalistic changes by Mustihussain, with possible warning (if applicable). Thanks - dBigXray 09:56, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * what the hell, another attempt of canvassing? wikireader41, this nutjob left an identical message on the talk page of denisarona . his attempt failed and now he tries to canvass others into a dispute he already lost. i am considering to take this matter to an administrative venue as it is clear that user dbigxray is a pov-pushing spa. my edits have infinitely improved the "pakistan administrated kashmir"-chapter by removing brazen examples of wp:or, especially concerning gilgit-baltistan. i have brutally complied to wp:npov. my advice to you, wikireader41, is to read the "pakistan administrated kashmir"-chapter and the sources used . please also note dbigxray's stupidities on the articles talk-page . the blatant lies of dbigxray will become evident... "vandalistic changes"? "pakistan biased"? absolutely moronic.-- mustihussain (talk) 10:51, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanx. sure could use some help keeping it updated till that day. maybe you can watchlist it.--Wikireader41 (talk) 17:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have it under watch already. I try to stick to India related articles because they need all the help available to improve quality of most of the articles. But I will certainly contribute to this one. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Tag Bombing
You missed to read his edit summary for removal. They were removed since no discussion took place at that talk page (since I started one on Indophobia). The tags' purpose is to alert other editors of a dispute. Since this dispute has a discussion on talk page, the tags are completely valid. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:46, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * please see my comments on your talkpage. and refrain from deleting them without addressing my concerns.--Wikireader41 (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did reply you here. (full reply on my talk) --lTopGunl (talk) 19:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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Personal attacks.
Please do not attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Indophobia. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --lTopGunl (talk) 20:08, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did on User talk:TopGun. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --lTopGunl (talk) 20:08, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * really. the place to report personal attacks would be at WP:ANI--Wikireader41 (talk) 04:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Participation needed at Talk:Pakistan studies
Hello Wikireader41. Since I saw your name on the above talk page, here is a link to a note which I left to JCAla on the matter: User talk:JCAla. Depending on your degree of interest in the article, this advice may also apply to you. TopGun has complained at WP:AN about the lack of response by people who disagree with him. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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