User talk:Wikishereen

A tag has been placed on your user page, User:Splashgear, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicises a company, product, group or service, and which is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages; user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations.

If you can indicate why the page is not blatant advertising, contest the deletion by clicking on the button that looks like this: which appears inside of the speedy deletion  tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy deletion candidate). Doing so will take you to your user talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also edit this page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would help make it encyclopedic. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Wgolf (talk) 18:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... As the President of Splashgear, I would like to post company information about the history of Splashgear and its pioneering efforts to introduce full-coverage, or full-body, swimwear to the general public--sometimes erroneously referred to as "Islamic swimwear". Splashgear is a leader in this market and has played an important role in this new niche industry and has garnered national and international media attention. I am curious to know why the Splashgear user page has been deleted, as well as a previous attempted Wikipedia page, but Splashgear's competitors have not been deleted, namely Burkini and Veilkini. Why is Wikipedia discriminating against one company, claiming that it is posting 'blatant promotion', while other similar companies are allowed to keep their company pages up? There are plenty of other examples of corporations having company pages on Wikipedia including Nike Inc., Adidas, Reebok, Speedo, TYR Sport Inc., Hurley International, Billabong (clothing), etc, etc, etc. Please respond and justify Wikipedia's decision to delete any attempt by Splashgear to post its own history or have its own company page before further action is taken. --Splashgear (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * So, a couple of things happened here. First, you created an account under the name of a company, which means you are here to write only about your company, rather than to improve the encyclopedia. Second, you have a conflict of interest, which means you should be creating an article about your company here, not directly, and certainly not on a userpage, which is not an article (the combination of your username and what you wrote is what is considered "blatant promotion"). Third, that other articles about other companies exist is not taken into consideration. It's also important to remember that Wikipedia is not a directory and subjects must meet certain notability guidelines for inclusion. Perhaps this is a result of us not telling you all this before you got started, but nonetheless you agreed to the terms of service when you signed up, so it is what it is. You can use the instructions below to request to be unblocked and your account renamed if you wish, or just wait until someone unconnected to your company creates an article about it. Finally, re: before further action is taken, please read this very carefully as well. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * ok, thank you for the explanation and clarification, i do sincerely appreciate it. actually, two weeks ago, someone who is unaffiliated with splashgear did indeed create a page for the company, but her page was deleted. when i learned of this, that is when i decided to try and create a page myself. now i understand why my userpage and account were considered offensive, but it's still a mystery to me why the attempt of another person who is unaffiliated with the company was also deleted. i really did think that there was some discriminatory practice going on, as my company's competitors' pages are posted, hence my being upset. at this point, what do you recommend that i do? should i bother to request an unblock, wait until someone else comes along to create a splashgear page, OR request that a page be created on Splashgear (as i saw that option was available)? i look forward to your response. Splashgear (talk) 20:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted because the person who created it basically pasted your website into it, which Wikipedia considers a copyright violation. Such pages are deleted on sight, and it had nothing to do with the eligibility of your company to have an article here. As to what you should do, again, that your competitors have articles in Wikipedia is immaterial. If you feel your company meets the notability requirements I linked to above, then you can request an unblock and rename, and then create a draft for review. Keep in mind that a company is notable not because it says it is notable, but because it has received significant coverage by sources independent of it. § FreeRangeFrog croak 20:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * i had no idea that's what she did, i never saw the page, but only heard about it. first of all, thank you for your time and efforts, i do appreciate you explaining this to me. second of all, yes, splashgear does indeed have MANY independent sources, including traditional major print, television (public television), and radio news coverage that has been both national and international--in english and other languages. i actually have an archive of most of that media coverage. so, i think i do have the notability aspect covered, since it is a historical fact that splashgear was a pioneer in this field. i think the problem here is mainly one of neutrality and making sure to not come across as perceived spam. what does wikipedia think about hiring professional wikiwriters to create such a company page? is that frowned upon or accepted, since it is a 3rd party service that does its own research? i'm just worried that i will attempt to create a page under a different username, but have it be deleted once again, so, am thinking of leaving it to some professionals. i look forward to your input on this. Splashgear (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I would not recommend hiring someone to do that, it's not something that we as a community like very much. If you search Google for "Wiki-PR" you'll see why. And no, also please don't create another account. That will be seen as a block evasion and only make things worse. It is difficult to write neutrally if you are closely associated with the subject, which is one of the reasons we prefer that doesn't happen. But it's not impossible. If you create a draft you'll have as much time as you need to submit it for review without fear of it being deleted (unless it's so blatantly promotional that it would be considered unsalvageable). If you do feel Spashgear meets the notability guidelines then your best course of action is to request an unblock below, then request your account be renamed, then go here and create a draft for it. § FreeRangeFrog croak 20:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ...soooo, why was my last reply deleted...?... Splashgear (talk) 23:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015
Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended for publicity and/or promotional purposes. If you intend to edit constructively in other topic areas, you may be granted the right to continue under a change of username. Please read the following carefully.

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, website or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but such groups are generally discouraged from using Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.
 * Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Probably not, although if you can demonstrate a pattern of future editing in strict accordance with our neutral point of view policy, you may be granted this right. See Wikipedia's FAQ for Organizations for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, organization, or clients. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit Wikipedia again.
 * Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?


 * What can I do now?

If you have no interest in writing about some other topic than your organization, group, company, or product, you may consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead. If you do intend to make useful contributions here about some other topic, you must convince a Wikipedia administrator that you mean it. To that end, please do the following:


 * Add the text on your user talk page.
 * Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:Listusers to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy.
 * Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In this reason, you must:
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

If you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal this block by adding the text below, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)