User talk:Wikivhz

July 2013
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 * Your edit summary said: "clean list per ELNO", which doesn't explain why you took the liberty of cleaning some implementations from the list, and leave some others. As far as i understand, ELNO is about removal of external links. I'm perfectly happy with the link removals, however removing some implementations from the list with *no* justification is clearly unacceptable. Regarding the conflict of interest, can you justify it ? I don't see how having an exhaustive list of TLS implementation goes against one of Wikipedia goal of producing a neutral encyclopedia. As a matter of fact your edits, removing some implementations and not others (hence taking a non-neutral and personal stand as to which implementations are able to make this page), with no justifications, are actually suspicious under the same principle. Wikivhz (talk) 14:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If you were perfectly happy with the link removals, why did you put the links back? In addition to removing the links, I also cleaned the list according to the list's inclusion criteria, which calls for only notable implementations. On Wikipedia, Notable means it has it's own article. - MrOllie (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I put the link back as a side effect of putting back an old revision to undo the implementation removals (undo didn't work, as you manage to split the change over 3 different edits; despite the preview button existing !). It's also much more work to add to this list, than just remove links. Just to clarify: i consider your edits on this page wrong as while doing something else (ELMO), you remove things that are not part of ELMO. If you want to challenge the notability of some implementation, it should have done in a justified manner in the history line. Wikivhz (talk) 05:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)