User talk:Wikris-en

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Nomination of Thủy Pháp for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Thủy Pháp is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Thủy Pháp until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.Peter Rehse (talk) 06:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem: Thủy Pháp
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Thủy Pháp, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to contain material copied from http://www.thuyphap.be/EN/welcome, and therefore to constitute a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policies. The copyrighted text has been or will soon be deleted. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with our copyright policy. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators are liable to be blocked from editing.

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Hi; I am the one that originally flagged your page but am perfectly willing to help you make it survive. Actually an even greater problem is the way the article was written. Huge amounts of information that could just as easily be covered by a wiki link (ie. history of Vietnam). My suggestion is start with something small with particular emphasis on notability. I would say take an example form one of the other martial art style pages and use that as a model. Over time you can expand other areas of interest but if there is too much at the beginning - especially if it is unverifiable - there will be a problem. I will be happy to help with the formatting and tags. My suggestion is to use another Vietnam martial art page as an example Vovinam although that has problems too. Don't need to include all that they do (who cares about belt colours) but it should start you off.Peter Rehse (talk) 03:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, you're probably right: I'll clean it all soon and will think seriously about it. I will rewrite it from the French version, which is much lighter and got a clearer structure, just let me some time to do it. (Don't know about text license, Master Duong just gave me the text as is: I'll ask him today).Wikris-en (talk) 08:45, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually if you do it via translation there is really no need to worry about copyright - it is the massive cut and paste that generates the issue. Also if your page is deleted in the meantime - that's ok - all you have to do is re-create it. Again - just please put more emphasis on notability. The martial arts world is full of grand masters with a very small finger print - if there are press releases or features talking about your art - so much the better. Looking forward to the improved version.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Translating/copying from another language wikipedia may not trigger the copyright bot but will still need attribution. Also please be sure to check that the French version is not a direct translation of the same copyright material used for this article.  That would still be a copyright violation and not usable without permission here.  The best course of action is to write the article from scratch in your own words.--CharlieDelta (talk) 13:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

French version is a total rewrite/restructure. I'll follow Peter Rehse's advice and make a hole new page when I get some free time. I believe I was a little too enthusiast (my first Wikipedia page!) and I didn't thought about all involvements. So we may erase this version and a new fresh one will come soon. Thanks to all helpful Wikipedia contributors, I can't imagine the hard work it is to maintain all of this. Wikris-en (talk) 13:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)