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Hi - I do not think we need the honorific prefix and suffixes in the infobox. The awards already appear in the infobox and the main text so why repeat it (a third time)? If you look at many thousands of other military articles (certainly across Canada, Australia and the UK) we have tried to standardise articles without honorific prefix and suffixes. By the way MOS:POSTNOM refers to the lead (where postnoms should be included) rather than infobox. Dormskirk (talk) 18:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Government of Ontario
Hello WildComet. I wondered why you reverted my two changes. The first line of the article used to start with "Government of Ontario" (which is consistent with the heading of the article. This has been used in the article since at least 2007 if you look at the version history.  While the "Government of Ontario" is of course a provincial government, it is never referred to as the "provincial Government of Ontario."  The original reference, as it has existed for at least the last 13 years, was correct.

Secondly, the legal reference is not "Her Majesty's Government". This term is used in the United Kingdom but not used in Canada. The legal reference, as used in contracts, order-in-council, court decisions etc. is "Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Ontario".

As an example, please see how the Government of Ontario is referred to in the style of cause of this court decision from the Supreme Court Canada: https://www.scc-csc.ca/WebDocuments-DocumentsWeb/36456/FM050_Respondent_Her-Majesty-the-Queen-in-Right-of-Ontario.pdf

Please also see how the Government of Ontario is referred to in this Order-in-council: https://www.ontario.ca/orders-in-council/oc-6442019  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwood10 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi,

The use of the big-G "Government of Ontario" is how the Executive brands itself and refers to the Queen in Council specifically. Because the article is about the entire government (executive, legislative and judicial), it's not appropriate to have that form of branding.

As is the case with the term "Her Majesty's Government". It refers specifically to the executive, and is not relevant in the context of the judicial and legislative (save for reference to the governing party). From the order in council linked:

whereas by Order in Council 643/2019 the Government of Ontario established the Ontario Provincial Police Independent Review Panel (the “Independent Review Panel”)...
 * bolding mine - note that it uses the big-G "Government", in reference to the Executive Council, the body that advises on the exercise of executive power and the body that advised the order in council.

therefore, pursuant to the prerogative of Her Majesty The Queen in Right of Ontario to provide for the remuneration of...
 * here, Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Ontario is used to refer to the small-g "government"; it is used here because the power to tax and spend is a function of the legislature

advisors who serve Her Majesty’s Government of Ontario in the discharge of its executive obligations and responsibilities, the following remuneration is determined effective the date of that appointment
 * here, Her Majesty's Government is used because it is in reference to the Executive; HM Government discharges the executive obligations, etc.

"Her Majesty's Government" and "Government of Ontario", the big-G Government are specifically the executive; "Her Majesty the Queen in right of Ontario" and "provincial government", the small-g government not in reference to any specific institution and thus can refer to either the executive (queen in council), the legislative (queen in parliament) or the judicial (queen on the bench) functions of the government.

Hope this clears things up, let me know if you have any more questions! WildComet (talk) 00:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Government of Ontario and Government of Canada
Hi WildComet,

Thanks for explanation. This is helpful – I better understand your reasoning.

I note that you edit pages on Commonwealth government and perhaps that is where some of the ambiguity has arisen. I am not sure if you live in Canada or in the United Kingdom.

I noticed that you used the terms Queen-in-Council for the executive, Queen-in-Parliament for the legislature, and Queen-on the Bench for the judiciary. These are not terms traditionally used in Canada although I can understand what you mean by them. I wonder if you would consider the following.

The Legislation Act, 2006, S.O. 2006, c. 21, Sched. F (an Ontario statute) provides legal definitions for various terms used in Ontario: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/so-2006-c-21-sch-f/latest/so-2006-c-21-sch-f.html

For example:

“Lieutenant Governor” means the Lieutenant Governor of Ontario, or the person administering the Government of Ontario for the time being in Her Majesty’s name, by whatever title he or she is designated; (“lieutenant-gouverneur”)

“Lieutenant Governor in Council” means the Lieutenant Governor acting by and with the advice of the Executive Council of Ontario; (“lieutenant-gouverneur en conseil”)

“Her Majesty”, “His Majesty”, “the Queen”, “the King” or “the Crown” means the Sovereign of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, and Head of the Commonwealth; (“Sa Majesté”, “la Reine”, “le Roi”, “la Couronne”)

“Legislature” means the Lieutenant Governor acting by and with the advice and consent of the Assembly; (“Législature”)

In light of above, I have included suggested wording below for your consideration (I included notes for you, but these are not intended to form part of the Wikipedia entry)

The government of the Province of Ontario [note: in line with your earlier explanation, this formulation just seems a bit clearer and does not suggest that “provincial government of Ontario” is an actual title] (French: gouvernement provincial de l'Ontario), is the body responsible for the administration of the Canadian province of Ontario. The Province of Ontario is a constitutional monarchy and the Crown is a corporation sole, assuming distinct roles: the executive, meaning the Lieutenant-Governor-in-Council; the legislature or Provincial Parliament, meaning the Lieutenant Governor acting by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly; and the judiciary [note, the term “Queen on the Bench” is not used in Canada]. These three institutions — the Lieutenant Governor in Council [note the Executive Council is the premier and cabinet ministers minus the lieutenant governor]), the legislature or Provincial Parliament [note the Legislative Assembly is the Legislature (Provincial Parliament) minus the Lieutenant Governor], and the judiciary, respectively — exercise the powers of the Crown. Its powers and structure are partly set out in the Constitution Act, 1867. [note -see section 58 of the Constitution Act 1867 and following sections of the Constitution Act, 1867.  The Constitution Act, 1982 (which was incorrectly referenced) is a separate statute and contains the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.] :  https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/CONST_TRD.pdf

The term Government of Ontario (French: Gouvernement de l'Ontario) [note: the following is correct, in line with your earlier explanation - i.e. the Government of Ontario does not refer to the legislature or the courts] refers specifically to the executive — political ministers of the Crown (the Executive Council), appointed on the advice of the premier, and the non-partisan Ontario Public Service (whom the Executive Council directs), who staff ministries and agencies to deliver government policies, programs, and services—which corporately brands itself as the Government of Ontario, or more formally, Her Majesty's Government of Ontario (French: Gouvernement de Sa Majesté).[1]     [Note – added  “Ontario” to Her Majesty’s Government”. This follows the wording in the Order-in-Council that we saw earlier. This also makes it clear which government we are talking about as there are many other governments in Canada i.e. Her Majesty’s Government of Nova Scotia).

I would also suggest the following changes to the Government of Canada entry in line with the federal Interpretation Act: https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-i-21/latest/rsc-1985-c-i-21.html

Governor, Governor General or Governor of Canada means the Governor General of Canada or other chief executive officer or administrator carrying on the Government of Canada on behalf and in the name of the Sovereign, by whatever title that officer is designated; (gouverneur, gouverneur du Canada ou gouverneur général)

Governor General in Council or Governor in Council means the Governor General of Canada acting by and with the advice of, or by and with the advice and consent of, or in conjunction with the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada; (gouverneur en conseil ou gouverneur général en conseil)

Her Majesty, His Majesty, the Queen, the King or the Crown means the Sovereign of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her or His other Realms and Territories, and Head of the Commonwealth; (Sa Majesté, la Reine, le Roi ou la Couronne)

Parliament means the Parliament of Canada; (Parlement)

The federal government of Canada (French: gouvernement fédéral du Canada) is the body responsible for the federal administration of Canada. Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and the Crown is a corporation sole assuming distinct roles: the executive, meaning the Governor-in-Council; the legislature or Parliament of Canada; and the judiciary (including the Supreme Court of Canada, the Federal Court of Appeal, and the Federal Court). These three institutions — the Governor in Council (conventionally, the Cabinet), the Parliament of Canada, and the judiciary, respectively, — exercise the powers of the Crown.

The term Government of Canada (French: Gouvernement du Canada) refers specifically to the executive — ministers of the Crown (the Cabinet) and the federal civil service (whom the Cabinet direct)—which corporately brands itself as the Government of Canada, or more formally, Her Majesty's Government of Canada (French: Gouvernement de Sa Majesté).[3][4][5]

[I can advise that the Government of Canada never refers to itself as “Her Majesty Government” or even “Her Majesty’s Government of Canada”. The footnotes cited also do not seem to provide evidence of current use of this term. I could not find that reference in Footnote 1 (the "A Crown of Maples" document). Footnote 2 does not seem to be functioning. Footnote 3 leads to an 1874 Indian treaty which contains this reference, but one source from 1874 is not determinative of modern usage. The term “Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canada” is the formal legal term used in court documents, legal agreements, etc. to refer to the Government of Canada.]

Examples: https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf02129.html https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/7957/1/document.do

What do you think of the above? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwood10 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I was the one who re-did the first paragraphs of those articles because they were way to cluttered. In terms of references, Crown of Maples mentions Queen on the Bench, HM Government, etc. As for replacing Queen with Governor, I'd hesitate to do so as it isn't always the Governor General who exercises those powers (eg right now, Orders in Council are signed by the Administrator of the government in Council). When you have Queen (and we have a template that auto-updates when she dies), it's always technically correct, regardless of who is exercising the power. I'll re-write the leads again sometime soon, but in the meantime I'd suggest you also make a post on the talk pages of the articles if you want to get more feedback. Cheers, WildComet (talk) 03:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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Capitalize the term Chief of the Defence Staff
Hello again WildComet

I see we meet again. I noticed that you reverted my change. I has simply changed the the term back to the original used in the article since 2004 You provided a link to a reason. However, I would note that that the link you provided supports my wording: "Titles should be capitalized when attached to an individual's name, or where the position/office is a globally unique title that is the subject itself, and the term is the actual title or conventional translation thereof.

As indicated in these links (and in any Government of Canada publication) the term "Chief of the Defence Staff is always capitalized:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure.html https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure/chief-defence-staff/cds-bio.html

If you look at the Wikipedia articles for other militaries that have a CDS, the term is also capitalized, as is the term Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (for the United States, for example).

The Wikipedia article should be consistent with official Canadian government usage and other Wikipedia entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwood10 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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Chrystia Freeland opening sentence
You and Bruce leverett have reverted me adding the professional alias of Chrystia Freeland into the lead sentence of the article. However, both ways of including Chrystia's name I was doing are mostly permitted by MOS:NICKNAME.
 * "If a person is known by a nickname used in lieu of or in addition to a given name, and it is not a common hypocorism of one of their names, or a professional alias, it is usually presented between double quotation marks following the last given name or initial. The quotation marks are not put in lead-section boldface." "Chrystia" certainly fits this bill. The mistakes I did for this were formatting-related.
 * Real name followed by their commonly known names is also permitted in the MOS.

Additionally, "spam" is not really the best term for the single revert I did (changing between the quote way to the "known" way). Pinging also. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * thanks for your message. Since you made a WP:BOLD change that was reverted, the proper place to establish WP:Consensus is the talk page of the article, not by re-adding the disputed line again in the article.


 * I reverted your edit because I have the article watchlisted and noticed you re-added the content after it was removed, contrary to the standard WP:BRD process. If you'd like to discuss your revisions, the best place to do so is on the article's talk page, not an editor's personal page.


 * Thanks. — WildComet talk 05:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You have still not retracted or addressed the problem of calling my reformatting "spam". Otherwise, I'll bring it up with Bruce on the article talk page. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:36, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for the heads up for the deputy minister article! I thank you for explaining it kindly. Thanks !!!

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Noormohamed
Yes, I used "dodged" because that was the past tense of the term used in the title of the page being linked to! I thought using the actual term used by the media outlet might be understood as trying for 'accuracy'. "|title=Vancouver Liberal dodges questions on principal residence tax exemption use on 40+ home sales |" — Preceding unsigned comment added by NiceTryEarl (talk • contribs) 12:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * On numbers, yes.. I saw that the numbers did not jive between the earlier reports, that's why I said "over 40"
 * Re: Also why was the story giving context within the platform removed?
 * Not entirely sure what you mean here, because there's so many fingersprints on this page, but it may have something to do with @Canadascholar23 running to Butlerblog and complaining and lying about me (ie: "using ad hominem" attacks,). How can any reasonable person not notice that that editor is almost certainly a Liberal party staffer or at minimum, very very close to the Liberal party? It's crazy. All their edits are to liberal party candidates or insults written to Pierre Polevre's page. NiceTryEarl (talk) 12:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Why did you remove "the longest serving Conservative PM since John A. Macdonald..." in the first paragraph of Stephen Harper's lead?
How is it trivial?  Ak-eater06  (talk) 16:10, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Noormohamed "Where is the Source for these numbers?"
user @Canadascholar23 removed these citations in their June 10, 16:39 edit, but left the text intact, knowing it would likely face removal as a result.

I really can't understand how the deletion of citations while leaving the text isn't some sort of vandalism. This person - who ran to Butlerblog to make accusations about another editor and get their help in 'scrubbing' the page, is now removing Butlerblogs content (the 16:40 edit). This is probably why Walter threw in the towel on this page; the endless vandalism and WP:Peacock additions.

Refer to the previous page after Butlerblog finished up. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taleeb_Noormohamed&oldid=1092481293. There's your citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.103.252.100 (talk) 03:01, 11 June 2022 (UTC)