User talk:Wildfire717

September 2022
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your image was inserted successfully on the page Jones v. Mississippi, but because it appeared to be irrelevant to the article or violated the image use policy, it has been reverted or removed. Please use your sandbox for any tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you. WikiHannibal (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add inappropriate images to Wikipedia, as you did to Jones v. Mississippi; it is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Thank you. WikiHannibal (talk) 06:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, photos of Brett Jones are not inappropriate. They are not vandalism. What is inappropriate is this page taking the liberty of telling one side of Brett's story from the point of view of the United States Supreme Court. This case involves HIS life. This case involves him personally. This page as I found it nowhere mentions his innocence or any of the facts of how he got a sentence of life without parole at age 15 years old. If anything is inappropriate it is using Brett in this fashion without the whole story. THAT is vandalism. Pictures of Brett Jones are perfectly appropriate on a page about him and his case. He was a juvenile when this happened to him. Exploited by adults and media. Here he is being exploited again. This Supreme Court case did not happen in a vacuum. It involves a human being. Tell the whole story or don't tell it at all. Thank you. Wildfire717 (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You need to discuss the changes you want to make on the talk page of Jones v. Mississippi. Be aware, we need everything sourced to secondary sources, and we cannot take primary documents like the initial court filings (in this case, Jones' side of the story). If you keep trying to add this information without discussion or appropriate sourcing you will likely be blocked. --M asem (t) 17:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Brett's Petition 2254 references directly to court documents. I put links up to the petition and to those documents. You are exploiting Brett Jones on this page by only telling one side of the story. All his claims are sourced directly to the court filings. Blocking me is blocking the truth. You have no right to do that. You do not have this right. Wildfire717 (talk) 17:37, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * According to the filings to the Supreme Court, none of that stuff about a phone bill comes up. His statement follows exactly how its described, nor claims he is innocent - outside of being from a broken childhood and thus trying to disprove the "incorrigibly corrupted" factor that was at the center of the case. So what you're trying to add doesn't even line up.
 * And yes, you are disrupting Wikipedia by adding what you are continuing to add. You are free to discuss the matter on the talk page, but complaining about editor behavior on the mainspace page is absolutely inappropriate. M asem (t) 17:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And how do I go about blocking you from exploiting this young man? Who has the right to block Brett's family from telling his story correctly on a page about him? What are you trying to hide and why are you hiding it? This makes no sense. Tell the whole story or take it down. Wildfire717 (talk) 17:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it does not come up because Brett was exploited and railroaded. This is in his statement directly as well as in his trial transcripts. You only want what you want up here and not the truth. Stop exploiting this case and this young man. Enough is enough. Go read ALL the court documents from the trial transcripts all the way through the Federal Habeas Petition. You may find out the truth. Something apparently you do not want reported. I'll be happy to send you the entire case file so you can bone up on the facts. Facts Brett has stated in his statement and his trial testimony and his evidentiary hearing and his affidavits and affidavits from his Grandmother and his father. All of those documents state Bertis was in mental decline and it was about a phone bill. Unfortunately, Brett's counsel did not bother to investigate or interview key corroborating witnesses. It is all out there in the PCR briefs, affidavits, court testimony and just about every document supplied to the courts. This page is one-sided because that is the way you want it. Not because that is the truth. The Supreme Court did not look at any of the case documents and only wanted to make sure he spent the rest of his life in prison. Please don't promote these lies any further. Read the record. All of it. And I will send you anything you need. Thank you. Just please stop perpetuating the lies and the railroading this child got from the courts and the media. The facts that were allowed to stand are contested and have been presented to every court in Mississippi. They decided it didn't matter. It does matter. I will matter. Justice matters. The truth matters.  Wildfire717 (talk) 17:47, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * We need this all reported in secondary sources, and I have looked at what I can see online and there's nothing there. We cannot take statements made in petitions or other court filings, only what the court concludes. If Jones has been exploited, we need the non-court document sources that show this. Sadly, I don't see anything immediately that could be used for that, so you would need to find those non-court document sources for us to include it. Also, WP is not here to right great wrongs, we are not here to try to correct the story about Jones. M asem (t) 17:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, you do not know a single fucking about this story or Brett Jones. You don't know how badly he was railroaded as a traumatized 15 y.o. who fought for his own life against this mentally ill man in a rage and tried to save his life. Read his Petition. Oh, yea, you don't do those things do you? Brett's grandmother and father both gave powerful affidavits and testimony under oath describing Bertis' mental illness, aggression and PTSD from his time in Viet Nam. Madge Jones, Brett's grandmother is the wife of the deceased and lived with this man for 49 years. She said it was about the phone bill she found before she left for work and hid from Bertis. It is in her sworn affidavit. Brett's Dad the same. Again, I will gladlty send you these documents. What is your email address WikiHannibal?  Both of these people who lived in the house and were there the day of the incident who knew what happened leading up to the attack were ignored by the state, the cops and the defense attorney. They wanted to testify at the trial but were ignored. Brett got an opportunity to present this information in powerful affidavits in his PCR, reopened his case and the Mississippi Supreme Court granted summary judgement. I'll be happy to send you that Court Order. The trial judge refused the order and it went back in front of an altered panel.  Without explanation they reversed judgment and the altered panel sent him back to the trial judge who denied him a new trial saying the wife of the deceased and the son of the deceased who lived with Bertis Jones weren't credible without explanation. Madge said in her sworn affidavit it was about the phone bill. Go read the affidavit. I'll be happy to send you a copy. Brett said in his statement ito the police it started with the phone bill and escalated after the phone call to his Dad at work. Go read the statement. I'll send you a copy. Oh, you don't want it?. Ok. That's because you don't want to know the truth as the prosecutor did not want to know the truth and never talked to the two people who lived in the house. Yes, it does add up when you know the facts, not just the facts from the State's end. Unfortunately because Brett's court-appointed attorney was such a slouch, Brett's corroborating witnesses were ignored and the facts were not presented. Remember, he was 15 years old with an 8th grade education. Because people cared about Brett, he was hired post conviction counsel as he languished in the bowels of the violent cesspool known as Walnut Grove Juvenile prison just trying to survive unaware of any appeals available to him. But people did care. These facts were presented on post conviction and backed up by powerful corroborating witnesses in the form of sworn affidavits. And if his attorney would have done his job effectively, there were a dozen other witnesses who would have testified at trial to Bertis being insane including neighbors, family and clergy.  But no investigation was done. Yes, it adds up when you get the whole story and the true facts from people who were there and who knew the man and the situation and the context of the day. I've been supporting Brett for the past 2 decades. And in fact Brett's counsel from the MacArthur Justice Center also agrees Brett was railroaded. He agrees it is a wrongful conviction and has gone out of his way to help him with his Habeas petition. However his job was Miller re-sentencing though and could not touch the conviction. But he knows and he agrees. Yes, it does add up from everyone who knows Brett. He does not have a violent bone in his body. And no one ever said he did even State witnesses. I've been by his side for 2 decades and I know his case inside out and backwards from every angle. You do not. I know Brett. I've watched him grow up in prison. I've helped him survive. You do not. I've spoken to him weekly if not daily for 18 years. You have not. How dare you talk about what happened to him or on that day. Shameful exploitation and it should end. Thank you kindly. Wildfire717 (talk) 18:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It may not be your job to "right great wrongs" but it is mine. I've been righting this wrong for almost 2 decades. I will continue to do that until justice is done for this young man. He was a child when he was egregiously exploited by the state of Mississippi and had no idea how to fight for himself. His court appointed attorney didn't either and was a joke. His trial was a circus. This page does nothing but continue to exploit the bad and wrong facts that the State has written in stone. That doesn't make them true. I will fight for his right to not be exploited including here on Wikipedia as he fights for his life in court. Links to his latest history and filings should be part of this story even if not decided yet. It is the right thing to do and it tells the whole story which is the purpose of Wikipedia. Again, why keep continuing to report wrong facts, admittedly false testimony by Michelle Austin presented by the prosecutor and repeating it over and over as if it were the truth? That is shameful and wrong. Include the truth that's all we ask. I will fight for him wherever his story is being exploited. If you block me, that just means you are in the wrong. I will still attempt to get the true facts out. Wildfire717 (talk) 18:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add commentary to articles, as you did at Jones v. Mississippi, you may be blocked from editing. ''Please try to make constructive edits. You wrote your summary with no citations and not in a neutral tone.'' ButterCashier (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * There was a citation to the entire Federal Habeas Petition 2254 which was deleted. Every document was linked to that citation on PACER. I'm not experienced enough to cite every single document separately therefore put the link and case number for readers to access for themselves on Public Access Court Electronic Docket. You are just making petty excuses for why Brett's truth and story cannot be told here on a page that has his name in the title. Brett's life was disrupted from middle school on and has lived more than half his life in a violent prison environment. So don't attack me with "disruptive editing". I apologize the truth does not sound neutral to you. Maybe you need a hearing aid to filter out the bullshit. Which I was trying to provide. Thank you for your constructive criticism. Wildfire717 (talk) 15:41, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * For readers who are interested in the truth about what happened to Brett Jones and links to ALL of the documents and filings, here is the case number and link to the Federal Docket where Brett Jones' Federal Habeas Petition 2254 is pending in the Northern District of Mississippi. I have been permanently blocked from providing this history on the Wikipedia page bearing his name and his case.
 * 1:22-cv-00062 https://ecf.msnd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/DktRpt.pl?133440339727246-L_1_0-1
 * As long as you don't rack up more than $30 viewing documents, it will be free. Wildfire717 (talk) 15:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Jones v. Mississippi. ButterCashier (talk) 14:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

21 September 2022
Hello Wikifire717, I have noticed your edits and realise that you want to spread the truth about the case but there are better ways to do that than to make edits about it, just for it to get reverted. What's the point of those edits if they will end up being reverted. I see and understand that you want to spread the truth but this is not the way to. Wikiwow:) Wikiwow:) (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You're right. The best way to spread the truth is in Court. We are doing that. And was hoping to spread it here through the court documents. Wikipedia is not interested in even an update which they have blocked me from providing. Apparently it interferes with their false narrative presented as a scholarly "encyclopedia" of truth to be relied on, which it is not. This action of blocking my contributions doesn't say much for it's credibility now does it? Links were available to the truth and the injustice perpetrated on this middle school aged child by powerful state actors and continued to be perpetuated through the Mississippi courts over two decades and then the Highest Court in the Land, Supreme Court -the-buck-stops-here, of the United States. We just have to put up with this continued assault on Brett Jones and his family that continues year after year with places like this continuing to perpetuate the lies through a veil of credibility using State court decisions that are in question in Federal Court. Not allowing the truth to come out doesn't say much for this place. Blocking these documents that readers will determine for themselves are court filings, not final judgements, is part of telling the truth and giving readers the benefit of the doubt to understand this is a petition not a final judgement. But it provides proof backed up by evidence that Brett was wrongfully convicted in conflict to what is presented here and something this "encyclopedia" is trying to obstruct. Hopefully, Brett will finally get justice and will no longer be bothered by these sort of perpetuations of wrong information and will finally be vindicated from these people obstructing justice. Wildfire717 (talk) 15:32, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have replied here but someone saw it fit to remove my reply. One has to wonder what all the secrecy is about. Pretty strange when you really get into this Wikipedia stuff. There's an option to reply and when I reply, it is removed. There is a Wikipedia Gestapo apparently. Something is very wrong here Wildfire717 (talk) 17:03, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Hopefully your efforts may not be vain, just keep trying and maybe one day justice will be served Wikiwow:) Wikiwow:) (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words. It is appreciated. Wildfire717 (talk) 14:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

September 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * And keep in mind, the only person whose real name is exposed here on Wikipedia is Brett Jones (without his permission). Everyone else here including myself is hiding behind a veil of secrecy by using fake names. Why not expose who you really are and use your actual name when building an encyclopedia? And no, I won't be appealing. We've been appealing for over 18 years now in rubber stamp Mississippi Courts where you can have the truth and the facts on your side and still lose. And we have no desire to start any more appeals especially with Wikipedia. I would appeal to the truth. That's my appeal. That  has been blocked and obstructed here therefore no more of my time will be wasted. Carry on with your mission whatever that is under fake names.  Wildfire717 (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)