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Eric of Pomerania
Thank you, Wilhelm Meis, for reverting to my earlier version concerning the dexter base of Eric's union arms. But why have you deleted my comment regarding the three crowns dexter chief? They were of course the newer Swedish arms, probably introduced already during the reign of king Magnus VII Eriksson of Sweden and Norway, king also of Scania 1332-1360. However, they were a symbol of the Kalmar Union as well, and used as such in the sigillum ad causas of Margaret, possibly also by Eric of Pomerania. See the seal depicted in the article on the Kalmar Union. Since Sweden is already represented in Eric's union arms by the Folkung lion, the three crowns might in this context rather be interpreted as an allusion to the Union.

One other thing: You have also reverted to an earlier version proclaiming Margaret as queen of Denmark. She was in fact never queen of Denmark, although her title is sometimes given as "queen regnant" in English translations. The Danish article on Margaret states unequivocally: "Margrete har aldrig været dronning af Danmark, da en kvinde kun kunne være "fuldmægtig frue og husbonde og Danmarks riges formynder". Ihvertfald indtil sønnen, hendes mindreårige søn Oluf, kunne blive konge. Så mens Oluf var mindreårig, var hun hans formynder og regerede på hans vegne. Da Oluf døde i 1387, valgte Rigsrådet Margrete til regent...". But she was definitely queen of Norway from her marriage in 1363 to king Håkon VI Magnusson until his death in 1380. And she was even queen of Sweden for two years, until Håkon was deposed from the Swedish throne i 1362. But never queen of Denmark. I trust that you will agree to the reversion that I am about to do. Roede (talk) 12:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Erik av Pommern, Tre Kronor, Margrete
 * Regarding the use of the three crowns, I maintain that there is compelling evidence to suggest that the three crowns originated as a Swedish symbol, possibly representing the triple reign of Albrecht, predating the Kalmar Union, but I do concede that there is some controversy regarding whether its use in Erik's seal is representative of Sweden or of the Kalmar Union. Regarding Margrete, I have found encyclopedic sources online and in print that agree that Margrete was elected sovereign ruler of Sweden by the Riksdag in 1388, but ruled Denmark (from 1375) and Norway (from 1388) only as Regent. Therefor, I contend that if it is erroneous to call her Margaret of Denmark, it is also erroneous to call her Margaret of Norway. It may be most correct to call her Margaret of Sweden, although she is widely called (in English) "Margaret, Queen of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden". If we are to stay in keeping with common usage, perhaps we should amend the page to say "Margaret, Queen of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden". Wilhelm meis (talk) 20:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Again: She became queen of Norway upon her marriage in 1363 to king Håkon VI Magnusson. And queen of Sweden as well, until Håkon was deposed - but she may still have claimed that title, as Håkon never gave up his claim to the throne of Sweden. In 1371, he unsuccessfully invaded Sweden to regain his eastern kingdom. After his death in 1380, Margrete would still be queen dowager of Norway. Her only uncontested royal title is queen of Norway, and we should stick to that in the context we are discussing. Another matter is that she is commonly referred to as "Queen Margaret/Margrete/Margreta" by modern historians in Scandinavia and elsewhere, as you quite correctly maintain. And posthumously she was officially recognized as queen of Denmark when the present queen assumed the name of Margrete II. Still. for the sake of consistency, we should not contradict the English Wikipedia article, which begins thus: "Margaret Valdemarsdatter (Norwegian: Margrete Valdemarsdotter) (1353 - October 28, 1412) was Queen of Norway, Regent of Denmark and Sweden, and founder of the Kalmar Union which joined the Scandinavian countries for over a century." Roede (talk) 09:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Tafl games
I replied to your message on my talk page, but for future comments I will put them on the article's talk page. --Craw-daddy | T | 22:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have put out some requests for feedback on the Tafl games article, and I would appreciate any useful feedback from all users. For reference, here is the article as it was before I started working on it in December. Wilhelm meis (talk) 17:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The article is looking good! The lead reads well, though I'll massage it a little to some of my style preferences, noting why as I go. I don't want to change your prose too much, I like the concise energy of it. Great sourced, objective informative text, appropriately illustrated. This is very close to GA already, perhaps expansion is possible and the FA process appropriate. Copy edit and more feedback to come. Thank you for this article! Alastair Haines (talk) 21:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That's good news, I'm glad to see I've done some good with it. Thanks for the feedback. Wilhelm meis (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I've recieved your message and will review it over the next couple of days. Initial thoughts are good, but I'll need to set some time aside to go over the detail. Hope this helps!--Gazimoff (talk) 12:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

There's an interesting page with pictures of extant gaming pieces here. Wilhelm meis (talk) 23:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Wilhelm! Yes, I will get back to this article, and review for GA. Please allow me about 24 hours from the time of this note. If I have not kept my promise at that time, remind me! ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 02:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah! A man who knows about heraldry. I dabbled briefly, only long enough to learn coticed, supporters, bezant and a few terms and ideas. Are there significant variations across Europe, or design is similar throughout? Alastair Haines (talk) 00:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * User:FilipeS has excellent English that he only rates as "3", but contributes quality text (imo) here at English Wiki. He rates his French at "2", but if it is only half as good as his English, he could probably still help you very well indeed.
 * I've heard about the Society for Creative Anachronism, sounds fun as well as valuable for research of various kinds. Austrian eagles were everywhere in the Napoleonic era, I've noticed that. The first French Empire adopted the eagle also, probably to avoid the Bourbon lion. Yes, British and French lions are everywhere aren't they. I've noticed cross motifs in Scandinavian shields (and flags of course). Italians seem to have abandoned wolves though! As an Australian, I'm a little curious about any popular themes in commonwealth countries -- Canada, New Zealand and Australia. In Australia, natural flora and fauna feature prominently as supporters, crests and devices on arms issued by the Royal College. Then, Australian arms love the Southern Cross of stars also.
 * Best wishes with trictrac, I love backgammon. The computer keeps beating me at Hefntafl, but I'll work out how to play eventually. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 00:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes! I see. Australian coat of arms is covered, but not other heraldry, which exists quite widely because QEII is still Queen of Australia, as she is of Canada. I'm not up to adding this myself, but there will certainly be others down here who are. Thanks for the though Wilhelm. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 04:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello. I wouldn't mind trying to help you, but right now I don't have much free time, and I'm not that knowledgeable with French that I'd feel comfortable translating a whole article! I think that would be quite an undertaking even if the article were written in my native language. But I'll take a look at it when I have more time available. Regards. FilipeS (talk) 14:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

About Megadeth subtitles...
Since you agree "The Punishment Due" is the subtitle in "Holy Wars... T(t)he Punishment Due", due you believe that "A Call to Arms" is the subtitle in "Never Walk Alone... A(a) Call to Arms"? There's no obvious indication of it in the article, but it seems that way to me. - Xnux  the   Echidna  14:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

SCA logo
Hi Wilhelm. Actually, all you need is the non-free logo license template and the fair use rationale that accompanies it. When you're filling in the fair use rationale template, some of the parameters automatically populate if you leave them blank. It's often a good idea to allow this on logos, as the info contained therein is pretty good (for example, the "portion used"). The logo you found online should be fine, and lesser resolution images are actually mandatory (high-res images can potentially have commercial value, a fair use image should theoretically NOT compete with a company's ability to market it in some way). Hope this helps. Once you upload, license and include your rationale, let me know. I'll head over and doublecheck it. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 05:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, I forgot that SVGs are vector art, so you can resize them without changing resolution. You may actually want to resave that file as a jpeg and upload it that way. I doubt anyone will kick up any fuss, but there's always the odd non-free policy freak out there who may decide to pick on it. Up to you. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 17:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, glad to help. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 03:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Putative Claim of Atenveldt on Iraq
Thanks for your questioning this -- I had missed it. There is only one credible source -- SCA.org gives "the Middle East" to Drachenwald (http://www.sca.org/geography/welcome.html). There are a number of claims by the ill-informed (I snuffed one earlier this week), but the SCA has already ruled on it. CsikosLo (talk) 13:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heraldry of Sweden
Hi Wilhelm and thanks for the kind message you gave me.

Most articles I wrote were written as starters, for others to improve upon. Swedish heraldry is an example of that. I, somewhat regretfully, realize that many of my articles and illustrations have been of embarrassing quality. I hope to continue work and improve articles and illustrations/photos later some time...

I really like what you have done with Swedish heraldry and it looks like you have many good references. Perhaps you have seen sv:Wikipedia:Projekt svensk heraldik (I started this on the Swedish Wikipedia, but have not been active there for months either). It has references in Swedish, and other ideas for you to work with. When it comes to drawing svg:s and many other things, user:Lokal_Profil has shown himself most capable, he may be of assistance to you if you need his help.

Feel free to remove/change anything that I wrote that is unreferenced. The sentence In Sweden, all municipalities that once had city rights can, if they choose, have a crown on top of their coat of arms. I might have gotten from Nationalencyklopedin, but it was almost three years ago and I don't remember for sure. Seeing you are not living in Sweden anymore, I might have to look it all up myself -- when I get the time :-)

Best regards, Fred-J 18:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Please do check on that (former city arms may have a crown on top). I don't doubt the veracity of it, I just need a verifiable source. Indeed, the days of catching the pendeltåg up to the campus are over for me. It's sad, really, Södertörn has a rather impressive library for such a small school. Wilhelm meis (talk) 23:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Drottning Silvias vapen
Hi. Since you previously requested Queen Silvias coat of arms I thought I'd drop a note here that I've now done a version of the complete coat of arms including the cross of the Order of the Seraphim. The new version is uploaded as a new file rather then an update though. Cheers Lokal_Profil 01:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk to me
What are you doing? Wrad (talk) 03:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

As I just explained on your talk page, I have no problem with you renominating, but please refrain from erasing others' comments and reviews, per WP:TALK and WP:CIVIL. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 03:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you're talking about. I did not remove any comments or reviews from any talk pages. You are misinterpreting what I did. I did not remove any of his comments. He merely said on the GAN page that the article was on hold and he was requesting a second opinion. In order for me to withdraw and renominate, I have to fail the article and then renominate it. I failed the article on it's own talk page. The reviewers entire review was still intact. I then removed his statements on the GAN page that the article was on hold and needed a second opinion (if the article is withdrawn, neither of those are true anymore). I removed the old date stamp and added a new one to make it extra clear what I was doing. I also left a succint edit summary. Nothing I did was out of line. I have written 13 good articles and reviewed many, many more. I helped create the GAN process. I know what I am doing. This is just a misunderstanding. Please be more careful in the futre. Be sure that you know exactly what is going on before reverting someone. Wrad (talk) 03:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wilhelm meis, Wrad seems to be doing things properly here. Please don't let his frustrating experience get any worse! --Midnightdreary (talk) 04:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I apologize if I have interfered in your renomination process. I saw some unusual activity on the GAN page and I was following up to see that a user was not simply blanking the initial review, which is indeed what it initially looked like was going on. Again, I'm sorry if I misunderstood your intentions. I'm sure you can appreciate my efforts to keep tabs on the GAN process. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 04:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Landskrona-vapnet.png)
Thanks for uploading File:Landskrona-vapnet.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Lokal_Profil 16:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just replaced it by an svg version of the unfree image, found it on the Landskrona site. Temporary solution only. /Lokal_Profil 16:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And now I've replaced that version by a free one. /Lokal_Profil 23:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Wahoo! Tack så mycket! Wilhelm_meis (talk) 23:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Counterfactual history
See WP:ELNO #10. Generally I'm not so strict and will allow certain discussion boards if they apply to the article and are large enough, but a single topic is not by itself notable. I can find no evidence that makes the topic in question notable. There are hundreds if not thousands of topics on that discussion board and we can't have editors putting their favorites down, it would swamp the article with unnecessary spam. Besides alternate history and counterfactual history are essentially different ideas and that topic link is more geared to alternate history. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

SCAdian, eh?
Is "Wilhelm Meis" how you are y-clept in the Current Middle Ages? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC) Lord Inali of Tanasi, G.D.H.; been playing since A.S. VI


 * Lá, sóþlice ic clepe Wilhelm Meis in þe Isíð Middetíd. ;-) Wilhelm_meis (talk) 19:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't do a lot of SCA stuff outside my own household nowadays; but if you spot me at a WisCon, or an ICON (the Iowa variety), say "Howdy!" -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well met! I would definitely do that, but I won't likely be that way any time soon. I'm headed to the Far West (Okinawa) in just a few weeks! If you see any of my friends from House Leatherwolf, give them my best. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 00:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikiproject Welfare Proposal
You mentioned at Talk:Social_welfare_provision that you would support a welfare wikiproject. I have created a wiki project proposal based on your suggestion for welfare at WikiProject_Council/Proposals. Come and support it. ^.^Smallman12q (talk) 14:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

English heraldry
On return to the Wikipedia world, I'd appreciate it if you could give the above article a read over and note any points you have, with reference to the B-class criteria in particular. Thanks, - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. I have nominated Swedish heraldry as a GA (here) on your behalf. I think it should pass. If it fails, it fails; in the very least it should give an indication of improvements to be made and/or placed on hold until these are made. Best wishes, - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

'References' in English heraldry
(Apologies for the aggressive tone, it's not deliberate.) Are you sure that author, date and title are necessary in a 'Notes' section when full details are given below? I would have supposed they weren't, because otherwise there's not much need for the references section at all. The Notes/References mix was designed to reduce duplication of details like publishing date from inline citations, and while that is still the case, it does seem to be somewhat contradictory. Do you have a policy/essay/example to hand (there may well be one, I'm not saying there isn't)?

I can't find a mention in WP:FOOT about this issue. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 09:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was in this case just erring on the side of providing more information than the absolute minimum, mostly for my own sake. I was trying to bring everything into one uniform footnote style and sort out which was what, while some things were moved down from footnotes to the bibliography and other things were expanded in the footnotes. One consideration was that there were some authors listed in the bibliography more than once. Usually, I just use [author (date), page.] for footnotes. The sense I have always gotten from the guides is that there are numerous styles, and which style is used is less important than consistency. So while I tend to use a variation of Harvard style referencing, I try to adapt to what is already there. The bottom line is that whatever is there should be easily understood by the reader. Certainly we can eliminate titles from the footnotes, though, at this point. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 09:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds good. I'll make the changes. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 15:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

"fad of the 19th century" (Tincture)
I thought it was more of a Renaissance thing... AnonMoos (talk) 23:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You are correct. As Fox-Davies confirms, the use of gems, planets, astrological signs, etc., as well as the introduction of "stains" or abatements, were unofficial (and deprecated) practices of the late Middle Ages/Renaissance, while "landscape heraldry" and extensive use of charges tinctured "proper" was a vogue of the 19th century. I'll correct the article. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Tintures section of heraldry
So that's two edits reverted, one by you, one by me. Just to make sure I'm correct here: Sinople is the French heraldic term for green (vert being the translation of green) and the other changes the IP has made have been spelling changes based on the French (?). In my mind, there are sources which use more French terms, particularly c.1300 ones, but there is no doubt that the ones there are accepted 'official' ones. Do we have a source to confirm any 'official' status? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Vert is the common French word for green, as my Webster's New World French Dictionary confirms, but while English heralds have adopted vert for green, French heralds call it sinople. In the same way an English layperson would say "green", however, a French layperson would say "vert".  The problem with putting sinople on our heraldry page is that this is English WP, so we use the terms commonly used in English.  That doesn't mean we have to stick to green, but it does mean we use whatever term English heralds use.  I've never seen the word sinople appear even once in an English-language book of heraldry.  If Boutell, Woodward, Woodcock, Fox-Davies and legions of other English heraldic writers use vert, that is good enough.  I don't think we need to support our use of vert with a specific reference.  Anyone can open any English language heraldry book and see that the author uses vert throughout.  So I wouldn't worry about it.  I also see that all of that IP user's other edits on en.WP were immediately reverted as well.  Wilhelm_meis (talk) 02:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's exactly what I thought. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

History of the term "liberal"
If you think merger is a better course of action, then I will agree with you. The Four Deuces (talk) 03:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Dieu et mon droit
I did not simply roll back others edits. I reverted to an earlier version, then re-integrated the translation information, reordered the article, and did a lot of ref checking. The most significant thing I left out was Stephen2nd's nonsensical, OR/SYNTH argument about oath taking. If you see actual improvements that need to made, make them. Otherwise, actually read the versions of the article and the discussions on the talk page before assuming you know what is going on. My edit summary about Stephen not knowing how to edit was not incivility, it was a statement of fact based on several exchanges with him that showed he had no grasp on basic Wikipedia policies such as the ones linked to above.

Moreover, your perception that others have said something uncivil is not sufficient reason to revert their edits. -Rrius (talk) 02:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I found some merit in the contributions of each of the article's main editors, so I too incorporated the elements of those edits by others which had merit. My concern is not to get into edit wars with other users, but simply to contribute to the best possible end product.  I think we're not so far apart in our vision of this article's potential.  We just need to all give each other a little bit of elbow room (myself included).  So I'm staying out of the way to let the article's other editors do what they will with it for a while, and hopefully the article will thrive all the better for it.  I certainly won't argue with your estimation of the OR/SYNTH elements of some of the earlier versions.  Wilhelm_meis (talk) 05:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Merger process
The article merger process is outlined at Help:Merging and moving pages. No step in that process involves deletion, in any way. Uncle G (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, they should redirect. Thank you for pointing that out. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 22:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)