User talk:Wilhelmina Will/Archive 4

'''The following is an archive of past discussions which appeared on User:Wilhelmina Will's user talkpage. Please do not modify the messages below. If you did not see this request, and merely tweaked any wording/grammar, or added a comment out of good faith, it will be pardoned, but if any evidence turns up to suggest it was not in good faith, then I'm afraid my feelings will be very hurt! And you wouldn't want to see me in that state, would you? So please don't change the messages!!!'''

Welcome back
We haven't chatted yet on wiki, but welcome back Wilhelmina dear. For coming back at all, you deserve


 * Thank you, Sticky Parkin! It's good to be back as well! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 04:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

RE : Ryan O'Reilly (wrestler)
I looked through, some sources are okay (Dojo, Post and Courier), others not as prominent (411mania). Accept in good faith recreation of the article based on the content and sources provided in sandbox. If you want the ultimate test of notability, nominate it for Did You Know? feature (word count is well above requirements); Should the article appear on the Main Page, you know that it is well above the bar. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 10:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I wasn't aware of the current state of affairs. I might do the nomination myself. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 10:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Mailer Diablo! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 22:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Gene Palumbo

 * 76.68 I suggest you submit the article to AfC in the usual way and wait for the response there. MSGJ (talk) 15:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no need to bother with that. I've checked through all of those sources, and nothing has established any particular significance or importance on this person. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 00:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Test Edits
Yeah, I guess was only assuming good faith.

My method of warning users is: first warning can assume it's a test edit if it isn't obvious vandalism—later test edits should be looked upon carefully—are they actual tests? (ie:does it seem genuine with playing around with new articles?)

For me, there is no real measure or way to draw a line regarding this, so all I can say to you folks is use your natural instinct. Logic is key to giving fair warnings before actually blocking the guy.

I hope that answers your question. ~ Troy (talk) 00:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it does!!! Happy editing!!! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You too. Watch out for those vandals/test editors ;) ~ Troy (talk) 00:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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I created a template for you as I noticed you are using something frequently while reviewing AFC articles. Now you can just transclude it by typing. Hope you like it - if not I will have it deleted. Best wishes, MSGJ (talk) 19:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I like that very much. Thank you!!! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Fish Articles
I reviewed your fish articles and responded on my talk page. They are a good start, and the common names you used seem right, but I did have a few suggestions.

On a possibly related issue, there has been some further action on that whole drama from a few weeks ago, and others now agree that things may have gotten a little out of hand. In this diff and the related thread, User:Carcharoth, who has more or less taken over for User:Fritzpoll, indicates a willingness to redress some of those issues. But it would be very helpful if you replied to him. The fact that you sent me the request that you did is evidence that you are willing to work on any genuine issues that may have been part of that drama, but if you would comment to Carcharoth acknowledging that it would probably be very beneficial. While not everyone is likely to support you (rarely does anyone or anything get 100% support) I think if you read that thread you will see reason for encouragement. I understand that it may be uncomfortable for you to deal with that (or even read this note for that matter) but if you are willing to deal with it a bit more in a constructive way it is likely (of course, as with anything in life, nothing is guaranteed) to be worth your while. In any case, I am glad you have hung in there despite the drama and are back contrinuting valuable new articles. Rlendog (talk) 03:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Asking Rlendog for that assistance is enough, in my mind, to ask the community to lift your DYK ban, and I have done so at the Administrator's Noticeboard, based on the good quality of your contributions since your Wikibreak, and this obvious evidence of some form of collaboration. This doesn't mean the ban is lifted yet, but it is customary to notify people of the discussions so that they have a chance to comment.  I think you would seal the deal by commenting there, so here you are: Administrators%27_noticeboard.  Best wishes, Fritzpoll (talk) 07:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

South Park redirects
Hi, I noticed that you had redirected one or two South Park episodes to a season list, that were then returned to the main article page. I think the general idea is that while WP:Episode suggests we should merge when there's little to no loss of information, there is enough information to my mind on South Park episodes that it would jar a little to suddenly find yourself going to a season page while browsing articles. Just a thought while I was busy scrubbing uncited stuff from the articles. Alastairward (talk) 14:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What? I think you have the wrong user. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 02:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks good at AN, I expect results within 24 hours.
The straw poll that Fritzpoll began at AN/I to suggest lifting the ban is snowing support, and it is quite unlikely that this will change. Your appearance there may or may not help, it's snowing without you. If you appear there and make some nice noises, it might help, and the risk of problems is low, but it's also not impossible that it will stir something up. I'd suggest a brief note there thanking Fritzpoll for supporting the lifting of the ban, but this is optional, in my opinion. It would merely seal it and totally defuse the "she's ignoring us" argument, and it says nothing about whether the ban was proper or not. If you learned anything in this, and I think you did, mentioning it would also help. While it is still open, it would be.

I was blocked for a few days as a result of my actions in this matter, but, if it helped to bring attention to your situation, it was well worth it, to regain the unfettered participation of such a valuable editor. My work, generally, is toward preventing this kind of thing happening in the future, and it can be expected that this will sometimes arouse opposition; if I erred in my actions, I'm sure the community will guide me clearly and properly, when it is given a chance. Thanks for your patience, I'm sorry that it took so long. (I could be wrong, the tide could turn at AN, but that seems very, very unlikely at this point, given the groundwork by GoRight. I interceded on behalf of GoRight at one point, putting a lot of time into his case, and he noticed, when I was blocked, that it interrupted my work, so he jumped in and did the kind of thing I might have done. Apparently, when we help each other, it expands and unfolds like some beautiful flower.) Congratulations. --Abd (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I feel it is necessary to clarify that it is your contributions, and your good qualities as an editor, Wilhelmina, that led me to propose lifting the ban at AN (not AN/I) and not because of advocacy from anyone else. You have all the makings of an excellent, and hopefully prolific editor and I hope you view this as resulting from your willingness to engage with the community, your recent article work and nothing else. You should be proud of your own accomplishments. I have offered the community until tomorrow morning to make their comments, and I'll drop you a line with the result. Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 18:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) I agree completely. A number of editors worked on reviewing the situation, but without the foundation of your very substantial contributions to the project, all along even if not without some faults, considered minor by myself and some others, we'd have been unable to change it. This was a result of your hard work and contributions, and not just contributions in the last few days. Willingness to work with other editors removed some obstacles, Fritzpoll is correct about that as well, but, from what I've seen, the ban would have been lifted anyway; the willingness to work with other editors that you have shown will help avoid future problems. Good luck! --Abd (talk) 19:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * As I did at the AN sub-thread, I second this. It is the progress that you and you alone have showed, and not any perceived advocacy on the part of any other user that has succeeded in lifting this ban. Also as I said at AN, you have the makings of a very fine editor, and are already there in many regards. Your mainspace work is getting better and better. Keep up the fine work, and if you ever need anything (help with finding references, research, or whatever) just drop me a note. Best regards, S.  D. D.J.Jameson 19:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To clarify, in my view no one else's having "worked" on the situation contributed at all to the topic ban being lifted. It is the progress which you alone have made as an editor and member of the project over the last short while that has caused the community to reconsider the topic ban. I for one and impressed, and I'm sure you'll keep up the great work! :) S.  D. D.J.Jameson 23:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I thank you, Fritzpoll, this is a nice surprise. And thank you too, Abd, for giving me support (and I'm so sorry about your block). The thing is, I really don't care whether I have DYK rights or not; if the community decides to allow me back there again, that's good, and I'll accept it. If they decide not to, however, I'll accept that as well. This ban reminded me that the number one best thing to do for your child-articles is to just get them made. For them to become DYKs is nice, but there are other, more rewarding things they can become as well, such as GAs or FAs. But what you've done is very kind, Fritzpoll, and I thank you again for that. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 02:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I love your quote here: "the number one best thing to do for your child-articles is to just get them made." That is beyond excellent, WW. Keep up the fine work! S.  D. D.J.Jameson 03:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

It's largely moot, but, just in case it makes a difference to you: I and a number of other editors who have reviewed your work have opined that you were, before the ban, an editor who should not have been banned, that your extensive contributions to the project were valuable and well above the norm for Wikipedia articles which are not, and never have been, expected to be free of errors, particularly new articles. I concluded, myself, that you had been harassed, and that, being harassed, reluctance to communicate could be very understandable, particularly if it is with someone who was part of the harassment, if that applies to any editor. My support for your unblock had nothing to do with whether or not you have communicated with anyone. And there are others who have so voted. I am writing this because I really want to avoid the implication that there is a consensus that you were a bad editor, but now that you are willing to talk, we will give you another chance. There is, so far, a unanimous support for lifting the ban, with 12 support !votes and no opposition, but people give different reasons, and it isn't surprising to see some people who supported the original ban now mention the improvement as a reason, since it would imply that they did not make a mistake. I rather doubt, though, that the community would do such an about-face simply because of a couple of Talk page posts showing you as cooperative. No, it did this because there was now, in front of the community, much better evidence, showing that the ban was quite unjustified. Some editors did mention the communication issues, others mentioned that they considered the ban harsh in the first place. But I'm simply saying that, from my point of view, you have not recently become a valuable editor. You have been one all along, and I'm distressed that it is implied you were not, and that only now you are improving sufficiently to be tolerable, i.e., able to edit without restrictions.

And, again, contrary to what is said above, gratuitously, in my opinion -- i.e., it was not necessary to say -- I see no sign that there was any movement to help you until I became aware of the situation due to some unfriendly comment in my Talk space. Not about you, but about Ottava Rima. And when, through looking into that, I became aware of your situation, and tried to help with the matter of other editors making DYK nominations of your articles, and I realized that the discussion had never been closed and that it was therefore technically not in effect, but Fritzpoll had warned you about it (after being contacted by Blechnic), I contacted Fritzpoll to see if he was acting as closing admin. He hadn't considered the matter, it seemed, but he decided to do it. (He could have simply said, "Not me," and he would have been done and, in fact, there would have then been no ban, probably. I then believed that I might be able to reverse the ban simply by talking with him. And I did make that attempt, asking him for evidence on the copyvio issue, which he apparently could not provide. He didn't reverse it, but eventually took the matter to AN/I. When I commented there, I was warned for harassing him, a warning that still puzzles me, because I didn't. I was actually blocked for a somewhat different matter, a complication that isn't really relevant here; but GoRight, seeing me blocked, decided to step into my place and review your articles for problems. And didn't find any, which he documented. Further, Fritzpoll, after my block, went to Carcharoth to consult, a move that would have been my own next step (i.e, consult a third party) as well, had I not been blocked. Carcharoth hasn't made a decision, yet, but I think the ban would have been lifted with no further action no the part of Fritzpoll.

It's hard to prove this, to be sure, though the history as I've given it is pretty straight. Maybe Carcharoth will make some statement. Tomorrow, if the ban is lifted, which I fully expect, I may say more. I want your record to be clean. Wikipedia editors are not expected to never make mistakes; rather, we are expected to learn from our mistakes. You made some mistakes, quite possibly a low number of them, compared to the volume of your work. Our process is designed to be tolerant of this, until the level of errors rises to a point that it becomes more work cleaning up after an editor than to not have their work in the first place. It's obvious that communicating about problems is better than not communicating, it may resolve issues that otherwise remain mysteries. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and we must collaborate, sometimes, with people we don't like, unless we are to simply walk away from articles or pages where we happen to contact. It is, in particular, when you revert someone that communication becomes important. Please remember WP:AGF as an operating principle, assume that editors intend to improve the project, even if they are calling your work "crap." They simply need to be educated as to how to communicate better! And we can help them by listening politely and attempting to respond positively to concerns they raise. Wikipedia, when conflicts arise, can be a very difficult environment, sometimes. So, sure, if it is true that you are working more collaboratively now then you were before the harassment began, great, that's frosting on the cake. It isn't gilding on the crap.

I've mentioned this to you before, but you have the right to ask any editor to stay away from your Talk page, so if you find my comments offensive or bothersome in any way, you can ask me not to post here, but you can do this with anyone, even with administrators, and if the editor violates that without very good cause, they can be blocked. If you ever feel you are being harassed, that's one of the first things to do. Ask civilly. )I've said things like "Thanks for sharing your opinion. Now go away, your presence is not welcome here and if it continues, it could be considered harassment.") And get help. Don't try to deal with it all by yourself. You are good at articles, I don't know how you would be at filing a report at AN/I, which is a terrible place, in my opinion, I write there and take it off my watchlist pretty quickly. Ask someone you trust, an experienced editor, for assistance. And never be uncivil to someone harassing you, they are quite likely to use it against you.
 * This is my one and only post here that is directly in response to you, Abd. I am asking you to remember that this isn't about you. Or me. It's about a good editor, who's getting even better. We're none of us perfect, nor do I think WW would claim to be or have been. She made some mistakes. Many felt those mistakes were large enough to merit a brief topic ban. A small minority did not. All now agree that what we are seeing is a really fine editor growing and improving as she goes along, which we all should strive to do. Keep up the great work, WW, and if this post (or any post on this page for that matter) is disturbing to you, feel free to remove it. I will completely understand. And let me know if I can ever help you with any of the articles you would like to see "born." That's what I love to do as well. S.  D. D.J.Jameson 03:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Spotlight on LBT Wiki
We got the Spotlight! New users are gonna come flooding in! Yay! --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 01:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

End of your DYK topic ban
Hi Wilhelmina, as I told you further up (above Abd's post, and then repeated in his thread) your recent activity, which I have been monitoring since the day the ban was imposed, provided enough evidence for me to ask the community to confirm my opinion that the ban was no longer necessary. They have agreed, and accordingly, you are no longer banned from posting your DYK requests. This is deliberately unfettered, with no need for mentors, etc. This kind of topic ban may have been very frustrating, but in no way is it a black mark on your long-term record - for example, if you wished to run for adminship, this would come up if you ran right this second, but given that I read your review where you say that you wouldn't run until you had created several thousand articles, this won't be a problem.

So there you go - all other matters relating to this ban should be taken away from your page and taken elsewhere so that you can get on with your most valuable task: improving the encyclopedia. If you have any questions, Wilhelmina, please feel free to either drop a note here or on my talkpage. Good luck, and happy editing. Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 07:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you once again, Fritzpoll! As it happens, I do have a new one from AFC I think has a few interesting facts in it. I'll go nominate it now. Best wishes to you too! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 07:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Fritzpoll (talk) 07:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I might add however, that as a DYK reviewer I don't think I will be prepared to promote nominations of yours that are on technical subjects unless they have the endorsement of someone knowledgeable in the area in question, given your admitted problems with comprehending sources for such. For everyday topics, that will not be an issue of course. Gatoclass (talk) 11:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In such a case, the reviewers could just erm... check the sources themselves?:) Sticky Parkin 16:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Offline sources cannot be checked. And DYK reviewers don't have time to thoroughly fact check every article that comes before them. WW has admitted that she submitted some articles whose sources she didn't really understand, so in order to prevent that in future - assuming she may want to nominate some technical articles - I think she should find someone knowledgeable to give them the once-over before nomination. That doesn't seem too onerous an obligation to me. If it transpires after a time that there are no problems, the requirement can be dropped. Gatoclass (talk) 06:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Gatoclass, first of all, I want to note your extremely useful comment on this affair, at . I agree with almost everything in this comment. I made that assessment fairly quickly, and then acted on it. So, here, I'm just dotting some Is and crossing some Ts, because I really want to underscore that WW should not feel that she is operating under any stain at all, and that her mistakes are merely normal growing pains, unlikely to repeat. Doubtless, like all of us, she may make more mistakes. The community should be helpful and tolerant of all editors, reserving sanctions where that norm becomes impossible.
 * There is nothing wrong with your personal impression that any editor has problems in a certain area. There is nothing wrong with you noticing articles from an individual and, for example, either reviewing them carefully yourself or asking someone with expertise in the field to look at them, because of prior problems. There is nothing wrong with asking an editor for exact quotation from a source, so that you or anyone else could check their rewording, provided that the goal is always improvement of the article, not chastisement for errors. What would be a problem is automatic deletion of content or decline because of the identity of the editor, when that editor is not banned. (Even if the editor is evading a ban, it can be a problem). This could cross the line into harassment. You wrote in the cited comment that "I personally have no problem dealing with submissions to DYK from WW provided they are on general rather than technical subjects." The implication could be that you do have a problem "dealing with submissions" from WW. Again, you can have a problem. So don't do it! Wikipedia process should never require a single editor to do anything, it should never be coercive, and any editor may simply disappear for as long as they choose, and we should arrange matters so that no process depends on any individual. However, I think that there will not actually be any problems here, going forth. Given your excellent analysis cited above, I think you recognize the core of the problem: special attention and criticism focused on a single editor that does not view the editor's contributions within the general context, but which place a higher standard on that editor than we impose in general. Edits that improve the project should be welcome, and it does not take much for a created article to improve the project. If a created article is truly poor, it gets speedied. An editor who is massively active could, in theory, be doing more damage than good, but the only time I've seen what appear to have been good-faith (or possibly vandalizing) bad articles, massively produced, the charges that the editor was doing more harm than good were never really examined carefully, and the focus probably amounted to harassment; however, there, the editor responded to the harassment with incivility, which is actually a fairly normal reaction, and thus did not help her case. There were remedies short of a community ban that might possibly have brought this editor into the community, that would have caused minimal fuss, but the activity of an editor actively pushing for a ban made it very hard to consider those. Our habit of, effectively, sweeping these incidents under the carpet, will eventually make the carpet so lumpy that it will become hazardous to walk on it. Hence I find it very important to set up efficient review processes so that we can examine what happened, without the huge and distracting fuss that some of our existing processes cause. That's what I'm working on, and all thoughts and comments are appreciated. And I would not want this to distract you from your yeoman work with DYK, which I came to consider, through this, not merely some frosting but a major tool for improving project quality. The concept should be expanded, and combined with WP:Flagged revisions to create a more reliable encyclopedia. Thanks for your patience. --Abd (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that anyone who promotes an article should take responsibility for either checking the article or should trust the checking of another (not the author, ever, and probably not the nominator even if the nominator is independent). This would cover all kinds of articles, not just technical ones, and I see no reason that a higher standard should be applied to WW's contributions than to those of some random editor. While WW articles have contained errors, most new articles contain errors, and, watching the DYK nom page, certainly lots of articles get extensively criticized. From what I've seen, WW's articles exceed -- by far -- the norms for new Wikipedia articles, though that could be considered faint praise. DYK articles are going to be seen, however, by many readers, hence they should be checked. It should not be the author who checks them, in any case, it can be very hard to see your own mistakes. Because we permit self-nom, we must see that the promotion process covers serious problems with all articles, not just WW nominations, and it was a mistake, in the first place, to single her out for what seems to me to be an error or problem rate lower than average. Handle the DYK process properly -- and it actually looks pretty good to me -- and there should not be a problem. --Abd (talk) 19:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

King Edward IX
Hi, I'm wondering whether this revert was right, because it seems that editor was just removing his own joke submission from the page. By the way have you read it? It's quite good.

About that template, it seems that signatures don't appear when transluding templates so you are going to have to type ~ unfortunately (or don't bother with the signature). Cheers, MSGJ (talk) 07:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know what exactly he was removing; it just looked like he randomly removed a bunch of stuff from the page with no explanation. No I didn't read it, though. But maybe I will, if I find time.


 * Thanks for notifying me about the template, by the way! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 07:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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Articles To Look Into Creating: AMC Crew
Steven Williford, Conal O'Brien, Angela Tessinari

Bud Kloss

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Thomas de Villiers

Kenneth Harvey  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.103.242 (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Jeremiah Conklin
We're just waiting for the one you've held on this page now. Kind regards, MSGJ 07:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles To Look Into Creating: Anne M. Schoettle
Anne M. Schoettle is an American television writer. She is married to David Shaughnessy.

Positions Held: The Bold And The Beautiful (hired by Bradley Bell); Script Writer: 2002 - 2003

Days of Our Lives
 * Production Assistant: 1982
 * Production Associate: 1983
 * Breakdown Writer: 1987 - 1990
 * Co-Head Writer: 1990 - 1991
 * Script Writer: 2006

Port Charles: Associate Head Writer: 2000

Sunset Beach: Script Writer: 1997 - 1998

The Young And The Restless (hired by William J. Bell); Consultant: 1994

Awards and nominations

Daytime Emmy Awards
 * Nomination, 1987 season, Days of our Lives
 * Nomination, 1985 season, Days of our Lives

Writers Guild of America Award
 * Nomination, 1997 season, Sunset Beach
 * Nomination, 1991 season, Days of our Lives
 * Nomination, 1987 season, Days of our Lives

Category:American soap opera writers; Category:American television writers; Category:Women television writers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.103.242 (talk) 23:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Worthy Pgs?
John Fisher; Rhonda Friedman ; Michael Stich ; Bill Glenn ; Nancy Eckels ; Vivian Gundaker ;  Dan Hamilton,  Charles C. Dyer,  Tom Reilly; Tracey Bryggman ; ;  ); Penelope Koechl ; Ross Marler  (more than 19,000 Yahoo hits); David Smilow ; Linda Schreyer ; Bruce Franklin Singer ; Tracy Casper Lang ; Richard Manfredi ; Howie Zeidman  ; Ron Cates ; The ABC Afternoon Playbreak ; Rick Draughon ; Phil Sogard ;

Leah Markus is an American television writer who has worked on Days of Our Lives, For Jenny with Love, Dallas, "Paper Dolls", "Fame", "Falcon Crest", and "Family". She has been nominated for 2 Daytime Emmys (1984 & 1985) ;

Declined. Two nominations, and no wins does not exactly establish notability. Sorry. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 01:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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Herb Stein: American television director on NBC Daytime's Days of Our Lives (1983-present); nominated for 12 Daytime Emmys. ; ; A.J. Russell : earned three Emmy Award nominations and won once, in 1957, for his work on The Phil Silvers Show. Russell was also a writer for The Jackie Gleason Show, The Ed Sullivan Show, and The Honeymooners. He died in late 1999, at the age of 84;

Jack Turley ;

Declined. One nomination does not establish notability. Sorry. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 01:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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Robert J. Shaw (ex-Head Writer of GH): Shaw was an American television writer and teacher at UCLA. He learned his craft at the University of Wisconsin where he studied under such literary luminaries as Wallace Stegner and Sinclair Lewis. He sold his first concept for a radio program, Front Page Farrell, to NBC in 1940. He subsequently went on to work on Mr. District Attorney, Stella Dallas, Search For Tomorrow, and Portia Faces Life. With Robert Montgomery Presents, Shaw launched his television writing career. He worked on Hawaiian Eye, Peyton Place, Dallas, and General Hospital. During his career, Shaw earned seven Emmys. ;

Declined. This paragraph appears misleading, as it says he earned seven Emmy awards (which would certainly establish notability), but all the sources state that he only received three nominations, which does not establish notability. He might be notable for all the work he did, but I don't want to take any chances with that, so no. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 01:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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Lee Shallat Chemel is a prolific American television director. She has been nominated for three Emmy Awards;

Declined. Three nominations does not establish notability. Sorry. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 21:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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Robert Berlinger is an American director and producer. With more than 53 credits to his name, he has directed episodes of The King of Queens, The Bernie Mac Show, Cybill, Chicago Hope, The Agency, Ed, 3rd Rock From The Sun, Rude Awakening, Veronica's Closet, The West Wing, Time of Your Life, Cold Feet, Titus, Once And Again, Empty Nest, The Golden Girls, Deadline, Watching Ellie, Hidden Hills, Dharma & Greg, Weeds, Sports Night, Gilmore Girls, Men In Trees, Pepper Dennis, Sons & Daughters, Two and a Half Men, Rodney, Still Standing and Arrested Development. (more than 66,000 Yahoo hits)

Declined. One nomination definately does not establish notability. Sorry. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 21:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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DYK info
Hi, Thanks for the DYK info, I was actually informed before but I moved the tag to my DYK sub-page. I greatly appreaciate the thought though!--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 05:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Your welcome! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 07:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you for choosing this image (Kira-of-IggyArbuckle.jpg) from the Russian version of Wikipedia! I'm the original uploader (Noah Reykjavik or Zoop) and appreciate your concern! P.S: Are you a vegetarian? YukonWorld (talk) 15:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Your welcome, about the image! No, I'm not a vegetarian; I eat vegetables, but I also eat meat. If I might inquire, what brought that up? Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 17:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hi. You link as the creation of France. However note that this was in February 2002 and an made by User:Conversion script. This means that the article was created earlier. Taemyr (talk) 01:12, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The system still seems messed up; at the bottom of the earliest contributions to the page, listed, it says it was done in September, 2001. However, when you click on the permanent link to that revision of the page, it moves further back to September 2002. What's more, there's a lot more revisions before that; I got past twenty, and there's still more. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 03:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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DYK scott thompson baker
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Your article meets the sourcing and length requirements, so I don't want to fail your nomination just because the hook isn't interesting enough, but it may be hard to generate consensus to pass it if the hook doesn't get better. Would you be able to dig up another source within the next 24 hours and do a quick expansion of the article, to give us more facts to work with? Thanks,  &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 15:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this pointer! I'll have a look around and see what I can do... Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 22:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I found a few links to old newspapers that contain info on Baker, but they all require a registration or a purchase. I guess this one's a no-go. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok; that's a shame. I'll let the nomination sit around at DYK at least another day before marking it for deletion, just in case anything comes up in the meantime. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 22:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Deletion... you mean the hook, not the page, right? Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 22:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, just the hook. Sorry about that!  There is nothing wrong at all with the page. And maybe if we're lucky then within the next day or so someone will see the nomination and have a burst of inspiration and think of a new hook...or maybe someone will just decide that the current hook is fine and promote it anyway. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 23:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all your help and support!!! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 23:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Gatoclass just suggested a new hook, and your nomination is now approved. It will probably be into the queue within 24 hours or so. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 08:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it very much. Thanks to the both of you!!! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 00:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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I've seen a few episode articles for South Park that might not meet notability guidelines. I was about to post that on a talk page when I saw you had done the same thing around the same time last year. Nobody replied to you in that time, so just to let you know I'm more receptive to the idea now and might put some of them up for a merge when I have time. Alastairward (talk) 15:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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Just wandered by to see what you were up to - and saw you've been reverting vandalism. Rollback is a fairly quick tool for this that any admin (like me) canhand out - do you want it? Fritzpoll (talk) 13:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, Wilhelmina;

Well, it looks like between Firsfron and myself we've given it a healthy expansion. What do you think? Did you have a hook in mind? I found it interesting that the specimen was found in 1946 and was only prepared and named in the last few years. J. Spencer (talk) 23:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the two of you did an excellent job! I added a cite to the reference after the sentence describing the specimen's discovery, because (I agree that would be a good hook!) as it's a different sentence from the one in which it's mentioned that Gallardosaurus became a valid taxon in 2009, the DYK people will probably want both sentences cited. Thank you and Firsfron for all your help!!! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the suggested hook. I guess I missed that fact in the paper. I don't think it's necessary to cite the same source three times in the same paragraph when there are no intervening sources, but I agree the article overall looks healthy, and there appear to be no factual errors. Thanks for your enthusiasm, WW. Firsfron of Ronchester  01:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, Wilhelmina Will;

I'd assume the etymology was in the original description, but I don't have access to it. MWAK might know if it's in the more recent paper, since it looks like he's seen it. J. Spencer (talk) 01:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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