User talk:WilliamJE/Archive 7

Speedy deletion contested: 1927 in Japan
Hello WilliamJE, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of 1927 in Japan, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Contains sufficient content to be a stub. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:03, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * FYI a bunch of other articles(1892 in Brazil, 1895 in Brazil, 1919 in Japan, 1918 in Japan to name a few) by the same editor that only contain links to other articles. They were deleted. 1927 in Japan is no different. All it does is link to other articles so it qualifies for CSD under A3....William 14:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Such articles can be expanded with additional information so that they become something like 1920 in Canada. They should not be deleted as long as they contain at least one fact. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:15, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The administrator who deleted them didn't think so....William 14:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That was probably a mistake. A3 refers only to external links. As long as there is at least one internal Wikilink, the article should be okay. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:WilliamJE, I came back to make a following remark previous interaction and see that other users are effectively telling you the same thing. Please take note of User:Eastmain's advice to review Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. And please work further back up the new page patrol, 20 or 30 minutes in, not on articles as they are created. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:19, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

New York Rangers
I have rolled back your removal of the three lines in the See Also section as these are relevant to the New York Rangers team. They wouldn't belong in the main article without further explanation of their significance but the See Also section can be used for these purposes. cliffsteinman --  Discuss  17:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Per WP:See also, As a general rule, the 'See also' section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes. All of those links that I removed fit those criteria....William 17:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Right, I got the message of your reversion and saw your notes this time. I rolled back because you didn't give a reason for your deletion and they were valid additions in the See Also section. However, after you put the note in I saw what you were going for. Thank you. cliffsteinman --  Discuss  17:37, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's part my fault because I accidentally left out the edit summary. You could have checked my edit history and saw my recent edits(which had see also mentions) and put 2 and 2 together. No problem. I'm excited for the first Florida Panthers game of the new NHL season tonight. Cheers!...William 17:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Nathan Johnson (writer)
Hello WilliamJE. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Nathan Johnson (writer), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''same subject, but substantially different. May wish to reconsider a new nomination.''' Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * FYI, the author of the article may be the person themselves. This editor who originally created the page was suspected of being the person. That other editor and an IP account I suspect is there own, are heavily involved in editing Johnson and other articles involving Pine City, Minnesota and people associated with that city.
 * I saw your edits to the article. This isn't the type of article I specialize in AFDing. So I may or may not get around to it....William 14:23, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes I figured that - that username is the same as his email address. Once I looked into it a bit it became obvious that he is more notable than when the AFD took place, but seemingly for being an LGBT activist more than anything else. I think it's reasonably neutral now though and will keep an eye on it. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 16:07, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Back at ya!
At the AfD discussion Articles for deletion/Nathan Johnson (writer), you somehow listed the delete sort "Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of Authors-related deletion discussions ..." (underline emphasis mine, diff page). These things happen, though you may want to correct the typo! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 21:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Joefromrandb's page
William, I only meant to ask you to stop arguing with AutomaticStrikeout on Joe's page. There was even a moment when both of you seemed to be getting off the subject of Joe altogether, and to be quarreling with each other about other things, without any input from Joe. Of course I don't have any wish to interfere if you want to give Joe cookies and such-like! Or just chat with him. Sorry if it sounded like it. (Though please note that AutomaticStrikeout has agreed to stop posting on the page, so please don't discuss him there.) Bishonen &#124; talk 23:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC).
 * People who got blocked sometimes need someone to argue for them. Last month two editors were blocked for edit warring and the admin gave out a longer block to one of them due to his block history. To quote 'I think I counted 8 or 9)'. Niteshift's block log before Sept 2013 consisted of 7 entries, but 3 were either block removals or a wrongly placed block. An administrator was holding things against an editor that he had no right to and somebody needs to speak up and say something when things like that occur. AS taking to ANI to get him indef banned I felt was along the same lines. Early on I suggest AS withdraw the ANI and he refused and then became irrational to the point he told you 'He started the discussion.' Referring to the talk page discussion which clearly was started by when he put up an ANI notice on Joe's page.
 * Not that the Joe matter is closed, I wish someone would step up to address this matter I put up at ANI. For four years an editor has been been using wikipedia to promote himself, has engaged in sockpuppetry, and practiced WP:OWN. The evidence is damning but nobody wants to put a stop to it....William 12:07, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Miami Beach Bowl
I notice you keep removing the "See Also" section...while I understand why, I don't understand why you leave other bowl game pages alone (they have the same problem) Tom Danson (talk) 13:22, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Take a look at my contributions recently. I've changed others....William 13:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi...I am glad I wanted to leave you a message regarding Articles for deletion/Grover C. Robinson IV
Hi! Firstly, I am glad I came here! You seem like a very interesting chap (no, not British, just like the word)! We are close to the same age, both well traveled, and both have an interest in the Great Lakes States (me--Michigan and Indiana, altho every trip I have made to Wisc. has been wayyyy cool). Just to let you know I am going to nick a few of your userboxes. You have plenty, you won't miss them (j/k).

I just wanted to point out that the link you cited at the above AfD is actually a link to a failed policy/guideline proposal. The link I cited is the link to the appropriate notability subsection. No biggie....I only found that out when I did this AfD. Happy editing, and I am glad to make your acquaintance. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Overwerk
Deleted and salted, thank you  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  17:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Editor who is unhappy because I nominated for speedy deletion an article they created
Delete my page and go to blazes.............the only reason I wasted time with that page is because the "request articles be written" page is too damned hard to find! Why don't you fix that, if you want to improve Wikipedia? PerrysFan (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Instead of whining away here, you should be asking why the article was nominated for speedy deletion. Is Ida Mae McKenzie notable? The only thing you cite her doing in the article is an episode of Perry Mason. The article is also unreferenced. You could have of course linked to Imdb. Then remember Imdb fails is questionable for use as a source. If you accept Imdb, then look at the work of McKenzie. Is there anything notable? Doesn't look like it. She was a bit player. Unless you can come up with a source she wasn't. Your article fails to assert notability of a person and therefore should be speedy deleted under A7....William 14:09, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.


 * Before starting ANIs, you should familarize yourself with WP:RS and WP:OR....William 01:21, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I thought you weren't supposed to bite the newcomers????
I just thought I'd let you know that I'm extremely frustrated. I JUST started my very first article about an author (which it says underneath the acceptable subjects in the tutorial is perfectly acceptable). I was still trying to add my references and figure out how to properly edit it when you flagged me three times within the first 3 hours. What the heck? I understand about making this a respectable source...but can't you give me a chance to even finish it before you flag it. You had flagged it within the first 20 minutes of me even putting it up in my userspace, which the tutorial also says is a safer place to EDIT. --Mkfrench (talk) 21:53, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It may be fine for you to create it, but if you fail to provide reliable sources to prove whether the author is notable, it will be at risk of deletion. Also, if you're trying to finish it when it got tagged, you should've "beefed up" the first edit, so it won't be in such a poor condition when people review it. NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 17:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Just curious
Thanks for the barnstar you recently gave me. I was just wondering - how did you discover me? George8211what did I do wrong now? 19:56, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I noticed you after you warned Wikifan900 after he removed the CSD tags on ERenterPlan. ERenterPlan was tagged for speedy deletion originally by me. Oh and you thanked me for it....William 20:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Now I remember... George8211what did I do wrong now? 20:14, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Not a good time right now or waiting for word from Tacloban
My wife is Filipino and her family is in Tacloban. Tacloban was hit hard by Typhoon Haiyan and almost all communications are down. For that reason we're very worried right now....William 01:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Good luck, my thoughts are with you, your wife and her family. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Update We haven't heard anything from relatives in Tacloban yet. My youngest brother-in-law, who currently works in Japan, discovered some photos of an area very close to where the house and things don't look horrible but who knows if that's a reliable gauge for the rest of the neighborhood. Someone in the military that we know has flown to Tacloban as part of the relief efforts. We hope to hear something through him....William 19:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Good news My wife's brothers and their families are all well. The house in Tacloban suffered only minor damage according to my 17-year-old nephew. Thanks be to God....William 12:34, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Johnsmith2116
You reverted User:Johnsmith2116's edit to Fonty Flock, and also left a notice at User talk:The Bushranger, but now he seems awfully ticked at you over at User talk:The Bushranger. Until Bushranger deals with it, he seems to want to be going for your head, so you should probably try to reason with him. NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 17:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * He's had a long history of disruptive golf edits which he's been warned not to do by TBR. Today he reverted perfectly good information in an article without explanation. Then he falsely accuses me of lying. I have nothing to worry about. Thanks for the heads up anyway. I saw his edits to TBR's talk page before you posted here....William 17:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

The Center Line: Fall 2013

 * —EdwardsBot (talk) 03:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

2016 Formula One season
Yes. It must go through AFD, because this is not the same as the deleted content. Let me remind you not to continue abusing the process, or you will be blocked for general disruption, because you're doing your best to get admins to violate the speedy deletion policy. Nyttend (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't abuse any process. You're the one who didn't do their homework. Did you read the AFD before your statements at ANI? Apparently not. I didn't read the nominator's rationale until late today but your the one with responsibility around here, not me. As an administrator you can see every article and its versions I can't. All I know is when an article was deleted. That's known to anyone around here. If you or any administrator acts improperly its because you didn't do your job and blaming editors for it is totally improper....William 01:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * After you were told that the contents were different, you reverted me (see the link I gave you) and retagged the article: that's abuse. You also blamed me for restoring an article that was copied from another one — which I did because nobody told me that it was copied.  You never mentioned the fact that it was copied from elsewhere, and being unfamiliar with the situation, I had no reason to expect that it was copied from elsewhere.  You obviously knew that, yet you did not tell me — and nevertheless you blame me for not knowing.  Nyttend (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No I didn't know that. I just said that above. If I had, it would have been the first thing out of my mouth. You know when I learned about the cut and paste? From this comment at the AFD. Then I brought it to your attention ASAP. Why restore the other article, it duplicated the 2016 Formula One Season, when that was still existing at the time? Administrators blaming editors for their mistakes. Your failing to WP:AGF is appalling. Your threats after your own screwups even more so. Your edit summary making false accusations of disruption are even worse. I didn't CSD the article discussed at ANI or even start the AFD. An administrator deleted the other article. I nominated it with the rationale of the first AFD(Nothing more nothing less. Check it! Remember I can't see old versions, only administrators CAN) and the administrator said fine. You have a beef, take it to him or her. The editor only nominates, the administrator does the deleting and their job is to make sure it meets the qualifications.  I hold administrators in a very low regard around here and you're just reinforcing it....William 02:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It is also preposterous that the 2016 Formula One season article was restored and I'll tell you why. The one and only reference the article has is that one driver signed a contract to race for a team till 2017. The reference isn't about 2016 Formula One, but a racer's career. By this standard, it would be logical for you or any administrator to uphold a 2021-22 NHL Season if the article's one and only reference was Roberto Luongo being signed for a contract up till then. Think about it....William 23:12, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You may take this as your uw-npa3 warning for repeated personal attacks. I am following policy and have been so doing throughout this, and you're doing your best to get me to violate it.  I told you that the deleted content was different, but you retagged it and blame me for messing up.  Stop the harassment.  Nyttend (talk) 23:21, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Now I'm harrassing you and pointing our failures of logic are personal attacks. Take me to ANI then. Maybe I should take you to ANI. An administrator making block warnings because an editor criticizes them seems like an abuse of their powers. Calling something preposterous is a personal attack. I didn't restore an article so where there was actually two articles on the same subject at one point yesterday....William 23:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Nancy sonu
I've declined your test page speedy. As it's a user page, there is quite some latitude about what goes on it. (It was actually moved there from article space by Deb...) Peridon (talk) 14:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Why did a User page appear on New pages? I thought it was a article titled that....William 14:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't user pages appear there? This one was moved twice by Deb (wrong title first move - I do that sometimes too...) but no redirect was left either time. It had been up for about an hour. Anyway, if it IS a user page, 'User contributions' will appear in 'tools'. This is a handy instant check for 'fake' user pages, misplaced moves and other oddities - which won't have it there. It's not a bad idea to check the history too, before tagging. BTW Anything starting Benutzer:, Utilisateur:, Usario:, etc need looking into as they are misplaced User: pages by users more used to their native language. Check for User:name and if it isn't there, move the thing. If it is, tag it as a misplaced page G6 or a duplicate A10. Peridon (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Your explanation I think has confused me more. No problem and Cheers!...William 14:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Requesting help in getting more involved in Wikipedia - ex Reviewer
Hi. In the past you have been very helpful and I have been able to make much better edits following your suggestions. I would really like to become more involved in Wikipedia, and would like advice in the next step I should take. I am on two Wiki Projects and would really like to be a reviewer on English Wikipedia. Do you have any advice, etc? Wanted some advice before I requested reviewer rights. Thank you so much - --BuzyBody (talk) 17:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I was granted reviewer status without even asking and have only exercised those powers a couple of times. Becoming a reviewer isn't hard for established editor with a solid history(You certainly qualify in my opinion). Just go to WP:Reviewer and read up on the responsibilities if you haven't already. You can ask for privileges here. Good luck!...William 20:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you . I have requested reviewer privileges and am hopeful I will get approved. :) --BuzyBody (talk) 21:56, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I was given reviewer rights today! Thank you for your encouragement.--BuzyBody (talk) 22:57, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Objection for the speedy deletion nomination of Outbound Travel Alert System
Hello, I created and I am editing the article, I do not know why you need to suggest for the speedy deletion nomination of Outbound Travel Alert System. In here, I disappointed with your action.--TINHO (talk) 17:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm disappointed with you. For the following reasons
 * You posted a article with absolutely no content. Not even a description.
 * You posted a article with a See also section with only redlinks when WP:See also is quite clear about no redlinks.
 * You removed a speedy deletion tag even though WP:Speedy deletion says an article creator can't.
 * You put the See also section back in after I removed it.
 * Then after making all four of those mistakes, you come over here to whine about it.
 * I've created over 100 articles without any of those mistakes even once....William 17:48, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Can you review my template?
Can you review my template see This link. User:Alexandharrison (Talk). —Preceding undated comment added 20:05, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I have never reviewed a template before....William 22:55, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * I was wondering what happened to my votes. Shortly after I cast them, I went by the page and they hadn't registered....William 02:20, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:ANI
I have created a new report on the ANI noticeboard regarding the block of Joefromrandb. TigerShark (talk) 23:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Saw it already. Have you informed TParis, Drmies, and Neljack? If you haven't, I will. I will be mentioning all of them....William 23:19, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have notified them. TigerShark (talk) 23:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

ANI
Willilam, I've hatted your and Thomas's comments at ANI regarding TigerShark. If you want to address TS's conduct generally, then do it somewhere else, but not in a topic that is focused on reviewing Joe's block. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And I undid it. The reason can be seen in my edit summary. TigerShark's behavior is relevant....William 15:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've read your edit summary, and I'm going to rehat it. This is an administrative action on my part as an uninvolved administrator. Don't remove the hat again, and don't expand on the discussion into other areas or attempt to transform the discussion into a desysop request. You are free to do so in the appropriate forum or topic, just not here.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:42, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's been rehatted by another editor. I'd rather the hat be under my signature, but I'll leave it alone, and so should you.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:44, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This is just further proof of what I have said here multiple times= Administrator's first rule is to protect their own not Wikipedia. TigerShark is an embarrassment and you and multiple administrators rather do nothing about it....William 16:00, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Pamela Matson
Many thanks for the change about Pamela Matson and Hudson, Wisconsin. However, the Matson article just mentions she is from Wisconsin and no mention of being from Hudson, Wisconsin. Would you please find a reference about that and put it in the Matson article? Also I like your comment-you can't retired from Wikipedia! Thank you-RFD (talk) 23:41, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel free to put that template on your talk or user page. I will be fixing the Matson article momentarily. I was a little tied up and could add a category the first time around....William 23:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks-I just added the can't retire template to my user page!-RFD (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletions
Hi. I see that you nominated several pages for G5 speedy deletion. The author hasn't been blocked as a sockpuppet, nor does there appear to be an ongoing SPI. Could you give me a little background so I can decide whether to delete the pages? Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:35, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Malik, they have the misspellings that the sockpuppets of Ryan kirkpatrick have. Namely on bored instead of on board. Just leave the G5s on. I alerted TheBushranger, Ryan K sockpuppet hunter and administrator, to all those articles. TBR will best be able to judge if I'm right. Cheers!...William 21:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay. Cheers! — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:23, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Charlie
I've declined, because A7 doesn't apply to fictional animals. There is presence on Google (which I haven't investigated...), so I'd suggest AfD. Peridon (talk) 14:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Peridon, there's another issue. Can you read that article and identify what television show that's being talked about? Seriously I doubt many people could. Would A1 apply then?...William 14:55, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like Adventure Time to me. See also http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Charlie. (I'm not American and don't watch TV, and think this thing looks ghastly...) Try A1 if you like. There's enough context for me, but others mightn't think so. Looks like a kid's written it, but it's a bit hard to tell at times... Peridon (talk) 15:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Can't get it as copyvio, except that it's not acknowledged... Peridon (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you-
Many thanks for the barnstar. I left a comment on my talk page.RFD (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome....William 15:55, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Herbert DeSimone
Hi I moved obituary to external link and added citation to article; this should help.
 * I saw that already.(I was coming back to put in the Providence newspaper article when I saw you beat me to it.) Obituaries aren't reliable for sourcing. The information is provided by the family, in this case to a funeral home. They can be used for EL, place of death, but not as a main source....William 13:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * DeSimone was nominated for a federal judgeship in 1976, but the nomination was stalled. I got to do some more digging but first I got to get some personal things out of the way....William 13:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Trouted
You have been trouted for: doing stuff your noble actions on WIkipedia. Epicgenius (talk) 17:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy speedy tagging
Hi. Thanks for patrolling new pages, but you tagged Amit Singh Thakur with A1 only 4 minutes after it was created. For A1 and A3 cases, it is best to wait at least 10 minutes, because a newbie often puts in a few words and presses "Save page " to see whether it works; it is discouraging if a deletion notice pops up almost immediately. See uw-hasty. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Taiyuan Heavy
Hello WilliamJE. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Taiyuan Heavy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article claims coverage in reliable sources. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:55, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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