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Common Tern
In this edit you change all the cases of Common Tern to common tern, but hopefully you realised that the first reference in the article was being used to demonstrate that the common term for this bird is actually "Common Tern", not some Wikipedia-driven insistence on commonality? I suggest you remove the reference, and all others that use that common nomenclature, or at least note the inconsistency on the talk page. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could not the inconsistency on the article talk page yourself. William Avery (talk) 20:35, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You're the one who made the edit in direct contradiction to the provided reliable source. It's a problem you introduced yourself.  You should do something about it yourself.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The point about following sources was brought up and weighed against other arguments by the closing administrator at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_156. Please don't post about the matter any further on this page. William Avery (talk) 20:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Bahrain
Hi. I've reverted an IP edit to Bahrain, which you have accepted. The IP claimed that "no rea [sic] sources" supported that Shia were a majority in Bahrain. A quick check (Ctrl + F and search for "majority") of the sources used in the article would have shown that many of them actually support this. Thanks.  Mohamed CJ  (talk)  10:13, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Pending changes is to police against overt vandalism, not content disputes. William Avery (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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Reverts in Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
I notice you have twice reverted an edit re Wahhabism (deleting the passage) to a version in my name. It makes it look as if that piece on Wahhabism is mine. I just wanted to make it clear that I have had no involvement in the ongoing war re Wahhabism among some editors (suspiciously with IP numbers not user names) - I have lost count of the times I have seen that passage disappear and reappear! - and I cannot understand why my name is sometimes attached to the version being reverted to (according to the "View history" pages). I have been assuming it is because I had an edit somewhere in the version being reverted to, but in view of the 1R per 24 hours rule on this article, I thought I had better clarify my position! --P123ct1 (talk) 20:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * it's OK. I don't think there could be any doubt about the probity of your conduct on that page. William Avery (talk) 20:40, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a relief! Thanks.  --P123ct1 (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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How might I request
…that a particular article be removed from the oversight/review currently in place? I am a semiretired professor, and have had problems at the Jack Andraka article called to my attention. I also was, very early in life, similarly, and ISEF participant and award winner. I am about ready to begin a scholarly, careful, section-by-section edit of the article, and if those edits are each time faced by long approval delays, it will make it very difficult to get this project finished, and to have Talk discussion properly focused on the overarching matters of the article. (Edits are easiest to add one section at a time, but because some edits involve moving text between sections, discussion is best after all edits actress sections are in place.) How can I have lifted, even temporarily, the reviews that lead to these delays? RSVP here, thank you. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:55, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If the only edits are made by yourself as a logged in user they will automatically be approved. You could file a request for reviewer permission using the link at WP:PERM. Requests to remove protection are filed at WP:RPP. William Avery (talk) 18:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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Pics of Hogarth's triptych
I've recently started an article Sealing the Tomb in which I've used one of your pics (File:Hogarth triptych.jpg) from St Nicholas, Bristol, and I note File:St Nicholas Hogarth.jpg of the central panel. I was wondering if there are similar pics of the two side panels, which I've not been able to find? I'm hoping to do some editing on St Mary Redcliffe and just starting to look at which pictures to use.&mdash; Rod talk 08:29, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What I uploaded was the best of a bad lot I'm afraid, what with poor light, my cheap camera, and poor access (only to the gallery looking down on the office) giving no way to avoid the reflections of the side panels. I'm surprised by how much information you've managed to dig out about the painting, though. Well done! William Avery (talk) 11:05, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK Thanks. I've never been inside the building and from your uploads the lighting looked like a challenge. Maybe I will visit one day and see if I can do any better (I doubt it though).&mdash; Rod talk 11:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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Edit at Hanged, drawn and quartered
You made an edit on the above article at 2015-05-20T16:21:57 (UTC), and there's something about that I don't understand: on the Revision History page, it says, "Reverted to revision 663275044 by SarahTehCat". The use of the preposition "to" implies that it is reverted back to the version subsequent my edit. But I see no other intermediary edit between yours and my own, so what does this mean?

Hope you can clarify this for me. Thanks. 👍 – SarahTehCat (talk) 17:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You made two edits. The second was reverted, taking the article back to the position after your first edit. William Avery (talk) 18:07, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I see now. Well why'd you revert that? I wasn't wrong: there really are no inline citations and the summary makes claims that I would think needs said citations. SarahTehCat (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Because "The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article." See here. William Avery (talk) 18:44, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

That makes sense. It's just a summary, so it doesn't require a citation as long as it repeats information found in the body of the article, correct? SarahTehCat (talk) 20:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is correct . Hanged, drawn and quartered is a featured article, so it's been thoroughly looked at for conformity to Wikipedia's rules. That doesn't mean it can't be improved, but it is unlikely to contain anything the community would accept to be elementary errors. William Avery (talk) 08:21, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

True. Thanks for helping me understand that. 👍 – SarahTehCat (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * I'm not sure everyboby will agree. I might be seen as a Jacobin cuckoo! William Avery (talk) 00:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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George Ferguson
Why does that section keep on getting deleted in the George Ferguson(mayor of Bristol) entry? It uses national and local news sources as citations and is relevant to the record of a serving politician. Other uses of foul language by other politicians has been included in their entries as relevant. Why's this different? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.110.141 (talk) 08:01, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this on the article's talk page. William Avery (talk) 08:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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U. minor.
Hello, William. Thanks for the recent correction. I wrote the paragraph myself (years ago), or wouldn't have bothered to change the word. I use 'distinct' for 'clear' and 'distinctive' for 'distinguishing', 'having distinguishing characteristics'; but I gather the first can mean either. - Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 15:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of a taxonomist being pulled up for talking about 'distinct species' or 'distinct forms'! William Avery (talk) 15:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Richard II
Edward III already had four other sons, including John of Gaunt. None of them, and certainly no unborn son, could displace Richard II, who was the only son of the eldest son of Edward III. Therefore, Richard became "heir apparent" to his grandfather when his father died.
 * My mistake. William Avery (talk) 22:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Dactylon redirects
Hi William,

I was just going through the New Pages feed, and my gosh there are a lot of redirects to Cynodon dactylon. How did it get so many names? --Slashme (talk) 21:55, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Linnaeus split it in two, and gave it an untenable generic assignment. Attempts to reassign to a new genus therefore tended to generate at least two synonyms. It's also very variable, and botanists have always been loath to lump together where Linnaeus split, so it's a splitter's paradise. See for instance here. I have next to no idea who José Aristide Caro was, but he seems to have published a great many names now treated as synonyms of C. dactylon. William Avery (talk) 14:07, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Autopatrolled rights
Hi, as you have created at least 25 articles you will now probably be given autopatrolled rights if you request them here. Thanks, Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 20:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC) Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 20:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've given you autopatrolled. Thanks for your work, and let me know if you have any questions. —  Earwig   talk 22:58, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Removing templates == Although has been deprecated, that doesn't mean it should be removed by hand. The goal is to migrate the data to templates. Efforts are underway to automate that process. See Village_pump_%28proposals%29/Archive_128. You can manually convert Persondata to Wikidata if you like, but simple removal loses info. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 05:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Update: it seems to be OK to remove Persondata entries. However, did you get bot approval to do this in bulk? John Nagle (talk) 05:38, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I will stop. It's an assisted edit, whereby I see diffs, not a bot. William Avery (talk) 08:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Check out the discussions at Bot_requests/Archive_64, at Bot_requests/Archive_67, and at Bots/Requests_for_approval/KasparBot_3. I don't think you did anything bad, but it looks like that problem is going to be dealt with automatically, with logging of the deletions. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will not resume, and will point this out to anyone else doing the same. There is at least one editor doing the same, but I can't remember who, unfortunately. William Avery (talk) 08:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Md.altaf.rahman 12:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Orange (Colour)
Dear William, In reply to your previous message: ''Hello, I'm William Avery. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Orange (colour) have been undone because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. William Avery (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2016 (UTC)'' I appreciate your decision to determine this piece of information was not constructive however it has be re-added by another user. As the team in question are associated with orange and represent a different sport/league to those already mentioned, I believe this information is valuable and worth keeping. Thank you.
 * It was neither removed nor re-added. I just put a warning on the wrong talk page. William Avery (talk) 20:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Okie doke then - sorry if there was any confusion. 11:21, 20 Febryart 2016 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.31.178 (talk)

Mangotsfield
Rather than reverting sensible edits, it might be worthwhile re-writing the whole of the page, which, I note, you have contributed quite a lot to.

Pigeon racing and so many other, irrelevant and unreferenced 'facts' are in the article, it reads very badly. Do you want to reference it properly and re-write it or should I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.100.70 (talk) 15:43, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You are under a misapprehension. I haven't reverted any of your edits there. William Avery (talk) 16:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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I presume you have heard about The West Country Challenge?

The The West Country Challenge will take place from 8 to 28 August 2016. The idea is to create and improve articles about Bristol, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly, Dorset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire.

The format will be based on Wales's successful Awaken the Dragon which saw over 1000 article improvements and creations and 65 GAs/FAs. As with the Dragon contest, the focus is more on improving core articles and breathing new life into those older stale articles and stubs which might otherwise not get edited in years. All contributions, including new articles, are welcome though.

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There will be sub contests focusing on particular areas:
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To sign up or get more information visit the contest pages at WikiProject England/The West Country Challenge.&mdash; Rod talk 16:48, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit busy IRL at the mo, but will read up. Ta. William Avery (talk) 09:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Well thank you! I've enjoyed acquainting myself with the entomologists: perhaps most of all the Bahá'í bigamist and amateur tunneller Harrison Gray Dyar, Jr. My main problem is going for the Edit button when I'm not reading a WP text. William Avery (talk) 18:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Oh yes, that's an issue for me too at times. I would enjoy acquainting myself with the entomologists, except seeing those articles reminds me of what a friggin' mess some of those pages are, if they've even got a page at all. (Dyar's in pretty good shape, though. ) Makes me want to straighten them out, sure, but I've got to prioritize some way. Too much stuff to be done across too many articles. Suppose that'd be an issue you're familiar with as well, though. Hm, now that we're talking anyway, d'you happen to know any lepidopterists (or entomologists that did at least some work on Lepidoptera) with diacritics in their names that aren't on this list? That's one of my personal pet-peeves, seeing "Hubner"s, "Guenee"s, "Oberthur"s, and "Schiffermuller"s strewn about the pages (among goodness knows how many other names) AddWittyNameHere (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Karl Grünberg (who I see is rather dubiously on the List of Social Democratic Party of Germany members), Félix Édouard Guérin-Méneville (double word score!), Lionel de Nicéville and William Beutenmüller. I'm afraid I usually ignore the lack of diacritics. There are also some Russians whose names are Romanised in various ways. William Avery (talk) 19:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've copied those to my shortened-version notepad document (references and links are more of use to folks who may want to see what I'm basing my corrections on/that I'm not randomly applying diacritics to non-English-looking names/etc., than to myself. The wiki-links to relevant articles are of some use, but I've got most of those bookmarked anyway, so just typing the name in my urlbar is enough to find 'm) and I'll see about adding them to the full list sometime soon. In regards to Russians (and, for that matter, entomologists of other nationalities where the name isn't originally in the Latin alphabet), yeah, I'd noticed that as well. That's a potentially more iffy issue than correcting a Hubner/Huebner to Hübner, though, so unless I have a couple of major sources all supporting one particular form on hand, I tend to leave those be for the moment. You're certainly not the only one doing that, as the hundreds (or sometimes, thousands) of times I've fixed the same name can attest to. Oh well, suspect that my own frustration with them is mostly that I know the difference in sound between, say, a German u or ü, so Hubner for Hübner is just as blatant a misspelling to me as 'opple' for 'apple' would be to others. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The Russians can get in a queue behind the Western Europeans. William Avery (talk) 20:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Mwa, it's mostly a matter of "I know this needs fixing and I know *how*; I know that *needs to be fixed*, but I don't know how. Let's not muck up that by implementing fixes that may be as wrong or worse than what's currently there" combined with a case of "even if I know how to fix it, if I can't bring references/proof to the table if/when asked, I'd probably best refrain from making mass-changes". There's a bunch of Western Europeans I'm not touching with a ten-foot-pole until I can do some in-depth research as well, usually when it's a name where both pronunciations and thus both the form without and the form with exist, and I have no way of telling which group this particular one belongs to. Some cases of not-Western-Europeans on the list, too (Díaz, Alphéraky&mdash;a Russian, but one where I've been able to find the needed references&mdash;Koçak, Povolný, Tengström), in the cases where I've been able to ferret out the sources I might need. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 21:19, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Edward Leong
What about the politician here? I invite you to ongoing RM discussion. --George Ho (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Template:Taxonomy/Drilliidae
Since you changed this template, everything seems to go wrong when creating new templates within the genus Fusiturricula. Just look at Template:Taxonomy/Fusiturricula and you'll see what I mean. New taxoboxes in Fusiturricula are getting messed up, e.g. Fusiturricula taurina in contrast with e.g. Fusiturricula acra. I suppose the change you made in the template (family --> familia) caused all this, unless there is another reason. Anyway I've tried to fix this, but didn't succeed. Can you look into this ? JoJan (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't see anything wrong on those pages now, but I have seen funny stuff in the past, where a template says it can't find a parent after a change is made. Strangely, if a page has an error and you can't see why, it sometimes helps to edit and preview without saving changes. I guess it's something to do with cacheing. William Avery (talk) 17:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite
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One specific epithet, two species
You suggested merging two pages describing two species of nudibranchs. Bergh (Bergh R. (1888-1889). Nudibranchien vom Meere der Insel Mauritius. In: Reisen im Archipel der Philippinen von Dr. C. Semper, vol. 2: Malakologische Untersuchungen, part 3, pp. 755-872, pl. 77-84.) described two species (Baeolidia moebii Bergh, 1888 and Cerberilla moebii (Bergh, 1888) (as Fenrisia moebii)) with the specific name moebii on different pages. They are both in the family Aeolidiidae, but separate genera and species. I have removed the merge suggested tags. BernardP (talk) 21:51, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. William Avery (talk) 09:44, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:09, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas! William Avery (talk) 21:20, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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Apologies
Hi, there. I just wanted to apologize for the vandalism earlier. My account had been compromised at the time. Sorry about that. :-| -- Scjessey (talk) 19:01, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well I'm just glad to discover you've got your account back, and haven't actually turned rogue. There are some malicious bastards out there! All the best for 2017. William Avery (talk) 00:20, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And I need hardly point out: you're the victim here, not me. William Avery (talk) 00:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Taxonomy templates
Hi, I appreciate the great work you do creating taxonomy templates. Just to note that there's a bot running that's removing the redundant  from any such templates. Can you please make sure that you don't add it to any new taxonomy templates you create? The "autofill" feature now doesn't include it, but I see that you did create some templates with this code in them as late as 27 January 2017 (e.g. Template:Taxonomy/Saletara). You don't need to do anything about existing taxonomy templates as the bot will fix them, but it won't keep running indefinitely.

(See Automated taxobox system/notes for a bit more explanation if you're interested.) Peter coxhead (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. I had a bit of markup that I copied from somewhere, in a notepad file, because I found I was having to press two or three buttons to get to the autofilled page. I'll bear in mind that if I do that again I ought to check regularly that it corresponds to the default. William Avery (talk) 11:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move done.
I've swapped Allosmerus & Allosmerus elongatus. I've also updated the redirect templates, categorization on redirect and article, retargetted the other redirects and slightly reworded the lead to reflect the current title. I think that's all that needed doing from top of my head? AddWittyNameHere (talk) 20:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That's super, thank you. I had no idea it was possible for a non-administrator to do that! William Avery (talk) 20:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Only if they have the page mover user right. There's currently 118 of us that aren't admins, so you tend to actually have a better chance finding an admin. :P But moving monotypic genera kind of is my speciality as far as page moves go. It's why I applied for the user right to start with: moths is riddled with monotypic genera at species titles. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In percentage terms I think the fish pages get it wrong more often, but of course the absolute number of monotypic moth genera is far greater. William Avery (talk) 20:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Aye, sounds about right. The fish seem better categorized, though. We have only ~1200 genera listed as monotypic in Category:Monotypic Lepidoptera genera and subcategories. Unsurprisingly, I'm still coming across uncategorized monotypic genera almost daily while not even actively searching for them. There's a few articles I know need moving but I'll get to them when I'll get to them, I guess. Between my other maintenance work, I've got to prioritize and in the time I can move and update one misplaced "monomoth", I can also tag a good dozen redirects or convert half a dozen from using deprecated redr to rcat shell. (Or add missing location and taxon author categories. Or add missing links. Or decapitalize common names. Or...well, you know what I mean. Not like the grand tree of life will ever run out of work to do...) If I am already significantly updating those articles for some reason, though, I'll happily move on the spot as well. If not...I'll make sure they're at least in the right category for me to find back later, then move on to the eternal repetition of infrastructural Lepidoptera gnoming. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Page mover granted
Hello, William Avery. Your account has been [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AWilliam_Avery granted] the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, and move subpages when moving the parent page(s).

Please take a moment to review Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when  is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:
 * Requested moves
 * Category:Articles to be moved, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 23:01, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * 'gratz on your shiny new page moving right. :) AddWittyNameHere (talk) 23:10, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanx. On learning of your almost supernatural abilities I was immediately consumed with a jealous rage, but I have calmed down now. :-) William Avery (talk) 23:13, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, the calming effect of knowing you now can inspire the same jealousy in others? If you have any questions about how to work that shiny new right, lemme know, and let me welcome you to the totally-not-a-secretive-and-most-exclusive-cabal-because-the-cabal-doesn't-exist-I-swear non-cabal of Page Movers. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 23:20, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

image_width in taxoboxes
Since I noticed you've been converting articles to using automatic taxoboxes, I wanted to mention that image_width is deprecated image_upright is preferred. But really, given that we really have no way of knowing the size of a readers screen, it doesn't make much sense to micromanage the size at which an image displays. Feel free to delete image_width when converting to automatic taxoboxes. In rare cases where the image has unusual proportions (very tall and narrow, or very short and wide) use image_upright. Plantdrew (talk) 18:35, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I will bear that in mind. The only rationale I can think of for specifying image width is "Well, it looks better on my display". William Avery (talk) 18:39, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Balkhash perch
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Moths to rename to Eilema
Hello William, I have seen your reverted to Wittia, it's a point of view; you say other species would be reverted to Eilema, I propose doing Manuela complana / Eilema complana (see references). It's possible to wait for other possibilities. What is your opinion? --ZorglubAB (talk) 05:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, To clarify, my revert was based on preserving a reasonable appearance of the displayed page while a discussion takes place, rather than an opinion about which scientific name would be preferable.


 * I am not a subject matter expert in taxonomy of lepidoptera, so I generally abide by the preferences of users who are more knowledgeable in this area, such as User:Ruigeroeland. William Avery (talk) 09:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Animals described in....
I know you spend a lot of time with this category. It seems to be an incredibly large category. I know some of it has already been split into class such as Birds and Insects. Would splitting the rest now (Mammals, Fish, Reptiles, Amphibians, etc. make more sense now?   I'm sure it is a pretty large category now???....Pvmoutside (talk) 01:29, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no strong feelings, except that if it is to be done, it should be done in an agreed and (as far as possible, on a wiki) controlled manner. After all, What's so special about 1904? The taxonomy can be extracted from the html when a page has a taxobox, so it should be possible to split the existing categories using a bot. William Avery (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Picking up this thread, I absolutely agree that "it should be done in an agreed and ... controlled manner". The problem is that, contrary to what I first thought, although there's a reasonably clear set of instructions for plants at WP:WikiProject Plants/Description in year categories, there's nothing written down for animals. There are discussions, like this one, but nothing gets decided or documented. I think I've been guilty of reverting or changing some of your categorizations, assuming that the WP:PLANTS approach applied to animals, when it appears that it doesn't. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:03, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries, Peter. I've received various opinions on the correct approach, mainly via the medium of reverting edit summaries. :-) We should probably start a discussiom somewhere. William Avery (talk) 08:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Sergiu Celibidache
Interesting, you got one of your thugs to protect the page. That will not suffice to stop reverting your lies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.137.248 (talk) 21:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have never made any addition to that page. What are my lies that need to be reverted, of which you write? Be aware that you can be blocked if you make personal attacks on other editors. William Avery (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the date of the death of Captain Oates.
I simply corrected the error in the text. Oates death is accuratly noted at the top of the page as 17th February (He died on his birthday) but in the body of the text is is given as 16th February. Both cannot be correct so if I was to cite a source for the alteration it would be at the top of the article. 86.165.179.188 (talk) 19:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It often helps to use an edit summary. William Avery (talk) 08:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Help requested!
I came across you via an Edit on Lionel Blue, whose bio is presently woefully insufficient. In the past, I have attempted to contribute to Wikipedia but no longer have the confidence to do so: I have even lost the ability to enter content under my own name Jeffrey Newman (and am impressed that you use yours.) It would be good to develop Lionel's bio by, for example, adding a link to his Desert Island Discs broadcast.

However, my major hope is that eventually David Holt is given a Wiki bio. He was a Jungian analyst whose contribution to the development of theory and thinking needs acknowledgment. There is a web page devoted to him (It may be Davidholt-online)

Thanks 2A02:C7D:B967:1700:2C26:C884:3A55:ED3D (talk) 07:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I would register an account with my real name nowadays, but it didn't seem a bad idea in 2002. I'm bit caught up in Easter events for the next couple of days, but will come back to look at this soon. William Avery (talk) 08:55, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I put the external DID link on the article Lionel Blue, and one to his recorded obit of himself.
 * The site about a Jungian analyst seems to be http://davidholtonline.com/. I cannot see that subject meeting the criteria laid down at Notability (people), but there are some very thinly referenced articles in Category:Jungian psychologists; which doesn't mean another one is a good idea. It's possible that he would merit a mention in other articles, probably somewhere under Category:Carl Jung. William Avery (talk) 11:54, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Bishop Tutu alleged antisemitism
This was flagged because it appeared "unhelpful" Could you please explain why you deemed it such?68.174.70.42 (talk) 22:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Where did you see the word "unhelpful"? William Avery (talk) 22:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Pardon me. The word you used appears below:

of your recent contributions to Desmond Tutu have been undone because they did "not appear constructive"
 * The removal of the 'end reference' that I reverted here seems to require explanation. What was your purpose? William Avery (talk) 00:42, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

My purpose was to provide evidence of the fact that Tutu's alleged anti-Semitism is controversial which is indisputable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.70.42 (talk) 11:18, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. The fact is that Wikipedia's style strongly discourages that kind of "coatrack" section or article. See Neutral_point_of_view and Criticism. The alleged anti-Semitism should be mentioned where necessary, but there shouldn't be a section that's a quick guide to the various ways people have bad-mouthed the subject, under any title. William Avery (talk) 13:54, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Point taken but that is why I mentioned it in the "Controversy" section which I did not create. It appears that you have now edited that section out which seems odd given that it is a regular topic in articles on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.70.42 (talk) 18:34, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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Is it coincidence or intentional?
I get the impression that you keep following after articles I edit with my AWB account and check over the pages. Is this correct, or is this just a coincidence? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu
 * I have a PetScan query that treats articles with taxoboxes like a watchlist and shows me recent changes. You seem to be changing mainly the herpetology articles, which always have some MOS problem when I look at them. I've been making MOS tweaks to fern articles too, on account of an editor changing many of them to speciesboxes. William Avery (talk) 11:39, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * A few parts of the tree of life, due to recent reclassifications, have major consistency issues with the taxonomy. The solution for this is to convert them to the automatic taxobox system. One of these parts is order Squamata, which is what I'm dealing with now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:35, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes I've done a bit on former "Arctiidae", now treated as Erebidae - https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=William+Avery&search=speciesbox+for&max=500&server=enwiki&ns= William Avery (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That would be my subspecies work - my AWB plugin doesn't work well for subspecies (they tend to be harder to handle,with the "species link" issue). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:14, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Battle of Barry
Hi, I've reverted your edit to the above-named article. While you're correct in saying that the past participle of "run" is "run", on this occasion the past tense is being used (not the past perfect tense) and "ran" is correct: Cheers,  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  14:01, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "He ran his fingers..." = correct (past tense)
 * "He had run his fingers..." = correct (past participle in past perfect tense)
 * "He run his fingers..." = incorrect (as past tense)
 * "He had ran his fingers..." = incorrect (as past perfect tense)
 * Your interpretation implies that the dipping of the fingers is putative ("said to have") whilst the running on the bloody fingers across the top of the shield is something certain (plain past), whereas the only reasonable interpretation is that they are both things that are "said to have" happened and the two verb parts are parallel.
 * He is said to have dipped his fingers in Camus's the blood
 * He is said to have run his fingers along the top of Robert's shield.
 * Combine to make
 * He is said to have dipped his fingers in Camus's the blood and to have run them along the top of Robert's shield.
 * Or, eliding the second have,
 * He is said to have dipped his fingers in Camus's the blood and run them along the top of Robert's shield.
 * It's clearly not being asserted that he ran his fingers across the shield to leave a red mark regardless of whether he had first dipped them in the blood, so your parsing of the sentence is a nonsense. William Avery (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe you're right.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  15:06, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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Tony Saletan
I am going to revert your edit, because in this instance "Tony" is not a nickname but rather a professional, or stage name, per cited MOS. PDGPA (talk) 19:59, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The manual of style makes no such distinction that I can see. Could you please quote the words that you are relying on? William Avery (talk) 20:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Hola
Perdón por escribir en español. He visto esto y me pregunto ¿Qué diferencia hat entre Taxobox y Speciesbox para sustituir una por la otra? ¿Tiene algo que ver con Wikidata? Gracias --Jcfidy (talk) 08:33, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hola. Speciesbox utiliza información taxonómica de una base de datos de templates. Ver, per ejemplo, Template:Taxonomy/Spinus. Todo es contenido en en.wikipedia.org, y no tiene conexión con Wikidata. El sistema assegura coherencia en la jerarquía taxonómica y un formato correcto de la información. Hay tambien Automatic_taxobox. William Avery (talk) 08:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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Rowan Atkinson
Hey, Rowan have Armenian grandmother or grandfather he is officialy Englishman-Armenian Arman Khanoyan (talk) 10:38, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you can cite a source for that statement, than add it to the article, using the source as a reference. I did a casual search using Google and could see nothing but vague rumours, and comments that he looked a bit Armenian. There was nothing that could be called a reliable source. William Avery (talk) 10:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, i have many many links about Rowan. Google? 😂 ha ha ha yes in google search Rowan Atkinson. Arman Khanoyan (talk) 16:37, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 15
You are invited to join the discussion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 15. Hello William. As one of the most prolific editors of the Edward II of England article, would you mind leaving a comment or a !vote as to whether should be deleted? Thanks. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 13:56, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Cultural tourism in spain to Category:Cultural tourism in Spain
OK you are right. It has been a spelling error. I do not know how to correct it. Can you do it? Thank you. --Fjrc282a (talk) 14:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have listed in at Categories_for_discussion/Speedy. William Avery (talk) 14:42, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Permalink for Afromoths
William, I saw your edit at Ancylosis yerburii where you changed the link to the page at Afromoths. I couldn't tell why that link was better. On the page, whether accessed from http://www.afromoths.net/species/show/10818 or http://www.afromoths.net/species_by_code/ANCYYERB, it shows "Permalink" on the right side near the top, and I assumed that the URL that showed after clicking on that was the best link.

Now I see that by right clicking on "Permalink" and selecting "Copy Link Location", I can get that URL. Is that better? Is there another way of getting that URL?

Thanks for your help. If that link really is better, I've messed up a lot of links by changing from the format of your link to what it had been before. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨  03:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The numeric links are not permanent, and change when the afromoths site is updated. A typical sequence of events can be seen at Eudonia marioni.


 * 14 November 2014 - Link introduced with numeric identifier. Correct at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eudonia_marioni&type=revision&diff=633810006&oldid=633753574
 * 25 January 2015 - A few months later, that link now points at wrong species (or is 404). Corrected with new numeric identifier by me. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eudonia_marioni&type=revision&diff=644143366&oldid=635718851
 * 31 October 2015 - A few months later, and my numeric link is now broken, but I now insert a "permalink" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eudonia_marioni&type=revision&diff=688360614&oldid=644143366
 * 30 September 2017‎ - ! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eudonia_marioni&diff=next&oldid=790768604
 * I don't know an other way to get the permalink URL. The code is usually first three letters of genus and first three letters of species, but sometimes uses numbers if there is potential for duplicates. Anyway, don't worry, they are not the most high profile articles. Perhaps we could formulate a template for afromoths links, and propose it on the lepidoptera wikiproject page. They could then be corrected by a bot.
 * I thought I posted about this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Lepidoptera, but I can find no trace. Perhaps it was somewhere else! William Avery (talk) 09:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that detailed explanation. I'd noticed that links to Afromoths were often wrong, so I made a habit of checking all of them when editing for other purposes. Now I see I was fixing them wrong. I see that by doing a search for  I can find over a thousand links like that. Looks like I found myself a new project.


 * I'll also spend some time updating WikiProject Lepidoptera with some info about Afromoths. I'll discuss any changes I make there on the talk page if I'm not confident. Your edit summary at Ancylosis yerburii was the clue that I needed. Thanks again for the help and keep up the good work. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   15:44, 11 November 2017 (UTC)


 * A small shortcut that only seems to work in Firefox is that if one right clicks on "Permalink" and presses "a", the link is copied to the clipboard. Saves a tiny bit of mouse work that adds up when doing many of them. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   21:57, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Rfc notice
More options have been added to the Rfc at Charles, Prince of Wales. You may want to add that article to your watchlist :) GoodDay (talk) 16:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Poutine
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Poutine. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings
...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:57, 24 December 2017 (UTC)