User talk:William Kenneth Onus

Please stop
Hello, thanks for your edits, but everything on Wikipedia needs to be cited to published reliable sources, like newspaper articles, etc. As a family member you have a conflict of interest regarding the article. If you continue your current editing pattern, you may be blocked. Graham 87 10:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Graham, as a family member I believe it is my right to edit information about my father. If you continue to change these edits I will be forced to take this to arbitration. William Kenneth Onus (talk) 11:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I’m happy to discuss this via phone or any other media if required. Copies of birth certificates for myself and my sister can be provided on request. This should satisfy your request for published sources. Make no mistake I have no intention of letting this issue go. If you aren’t interested in the truth then delete the article in it’s entirety. William Kenneth Onus (talk) 11:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore if you reference my fathers book Urban Dingo page 117 you will note it mentions both mine and my sisters birth. William Kenneth Onus (talk) 11:46, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Your last message was the only one that's constructive, so let's take it from there. The only book I can find called "Urban Dingo" was not *by* your father but was about him. If what you are saying is correct, please provide the ISBN of the edition and a photo of the page with a text version of the appropriate paragraph. You can email this to . Graham 87 12:00, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I’m not sure I understand why you are so invested in this Graham but I hope you are prepared. William Kenneth Onus (talk) 12:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Because I believe Wikipedia policies and guidelines should be followed. I managed to find this which is very helpful (and the publisher kindly made the book accessible to blind screen reader users like me, so this is a good start. Graham 87 12:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, the spirit of this guideline still applies, so I'll be mentioning your existence but perhaps not giving your full names. Graham 87 12:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm prpeared for whatever you're willing to send me. Graham 87 12:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I wonder how dedicated to policies and guidelines you would be if it was your families information being incorrectly represented. How about you supply your full name and connection to the onus family politics, because surely you can’t be on a lone crusade for citations. Nobody could be that sad and pathetic. Who are you Graham? William Kenneth Onus (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not about Graham being "invested" in the topic. Every regular editor on Wikipedia, and remember that we do this as an voluntary community service, will tell you the same thing. Guidelines and rules have been developed to protect the information about individuals and organisations from misinformation, vandalism, defamation or anything else. You should appreciate the fact that we don't allow anyone to write anything they like about your family members. Graham is an editor of long and trusted status, so you are in safe hands. He will add the information if it is verified. You should also read WP:COI, and WP:REDLINK. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I wrote the above before an edit conflict with the above exchange, but copied and pasted it afterwards. If you start becoming personally abusive you will find that you will be blocked from editing, so please be patient. WP:NPA. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:23, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, you should take heed of the above messages. I've updated the info. I'd literally never heard of the Onus family until about two hours ago. You could've made things a lot easier for yourself by providing a reference in the first place ... it doesn't matter how it's formatted ... but references to published sources are gold here. Graham 87 12:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

It’s slightly frustrating that you are telling me about my own family history. If you are not going to publish the truth then remove the article. You have published evidence (by name) yet you still continue to remove our names. Why? Do you really want to force this to arbitration? William Kenneth Onus (talk) 12:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said above, I am refraining from publishing the names per this guideline, which applies here because you at least are a living person (I presume your sister is but if not, I'm sorry). Wikipedia and its mirrors are extremely prominent in Google searches so this is done as a protective measure. For more opinions about this, you can go to the biographies of living persons noticeboard. Graham 87 12:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

My father had three children, 2 sons and a daughter. Birralee and I are not Jo’s children. Only Tiriki is Jo’s child. William Kenneth Onus (talk) 12:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I do appreciate that you are keeping Wikipedia factual. I hope you can understand that this is personal. William Kenneth Onus (talk) 12:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I do; being practically erased from existence must not be fun. unfortunately Wikipedia is only as good as the sources people delve into. Sorry about the mistake re two daughters and a son (and the non-working link to Google Books); I've fixed these things. We are traditionally a bit more OK with mentioning names of spouses but ... do you happen to have a copy of the book (or can you scan me the pages with much of the biographical information? That could be useful here. Graham 87 13:15, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added and tried to clarify what could be gleaned from the book search, which I hope will suffice. The main reason that Tiriki was mentioned in the first place because of his career and mention in various media, leading to the likelihood that he will at some point have an article created about him on Wikipedia. We do not in general mention living family member details, as mentioned by Graham, for privacy reasons. Wikipedia is not intended to provide a complete genealogical record. I hope that you understand that this is no slight against your sister or yourself. Editors write articles according to what appears in published sources and according to the rules and guidelines - for everyone, without fear or favour. In general editors are discouraged from writing about people we know, and neither Graham nor I have any connection with your family. Best wishes. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:39, 3 September 2022 (UTC)