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Biographies
Generally, the name is sufficient. Mr. or Ms. should not be used. Exceptions are usually only made for this in the case of individuals holding degrees qualifying them to be referred to as "Doctor", and even then the practice is haphazard.

Hope that helped. cjs 22:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks!! WilsonjrWikipedia 21:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Help with templates
Hi. I don't know the technical workings of templates, only how to use them. But ask me anything and I'll see if I can help. You can also use helpme to ask questions. Xiner (talk, email) 00:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Type the Wiki code in the preferences and check the Raw sig box. I wouldn't put my email address on a website though. You can press edit here to see my code. Xiner (talk, email) 00:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you like me to adopt you? Xiner (talk, email) 00:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. You can add to your user page if you want. Xiner (talk, email) 00:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be great! WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 00:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Did it. WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 00:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Introduction
Hi WilsonjrWikipedia. I hope I'll be able to impart some wisdom in the next few weeks. What Wikipedia topics are you most interested in, and what would you like to learn more about? And remember, you may end this adoption at any time. So, fire away your questions. Xiner (talk, email) 12:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh I see. Well then you shouldn't have any trouble learning about templates. You probably read this already, but if you haven't, take a look at Template_messages. At the top of the page are some very useful links for help with template creation, and there's a list on the page of many different types of templates. Xiner (talk, email) 02:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, read it. I found the Help:Template the most explanatory. What's next? WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 03:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC) Also, it makes sense to me for templates to have the word "user" be a link to a category of those who have that particular template on their page. I tried to convert a template to do so (see Template:Christian User) but it didn't work. What gives??? WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 03:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Use the : in front of Category only when you want to create a wikilink. If you want transclusion, leave out the colon. As for the template, there is already one in user space; please read Userbox_migration and the category also exists (Category:Wikipedians). Xiner (talk, email) 04:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Since you seem technically inclined, Requested templates is a good place to meet new people and do some good deeds. Be selective, though. Xiner (talk, email) 19:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I read the Userbox_migration, but I don't understand what the problem is for having that type of template on peoples pages in that format. Second, the templates, in my opinion, benefit wikipedia by providing a categorization of person that have identified themselves as female, Christian, or whatever. This would provide a way of knowing how many and the users who have identfied themselves as a certain template. WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 23:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, personally I'd rather have all userboxes except for stuff in Wikipedia space (e.g., Babel, administrators) in user space. I'm not here to argue about it, though, but to simply let you know that the community seems to have arrived at the consensus that almost everything should be moved. Anything that remains will probably be WP:GUSsed eventually. Xiner (talk, email) 23:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Gotcha---that may actually make sense now that I think about it, for wikipedia. In Intellipedia, you want to identify who the Iraq analysts, Somalia analysts, or a particular's issue's working group members are. This helps build communities of interest virtually. I'll keep studying.
 * Yep, I see what you mean. Xiner (talk, email) 23:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

New question for you :) - I would like to create a statistic table or chart that would continuously tell me the most popular page in the last hour and in the last day, how would I do so? A template? And what would be the best way to measure the "most popular" page? By page edits, page views, a combination of the two? Bottom line is I would like a statistical measure for what people are "swarming". Is this possible? WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 03:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oooh, that's really beyond my expertise. I'm sure you'll find someone at #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode who can answer your question, though. I know that Wikipedia doesn't track page views due to resource issues, but for your own wikis, I'd think some under-the-hood scripting would work best. Xiner (talk, email) 04:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. I'll try that. [[Image:Face-grin.svg|20px]] - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 17:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

User warnings
This page will help you deal with various types of disruptive editing on Wikipedia. Now image I vandalized Arsenal F.C.. Warn me on my page using the appropriate level of warning and use the template to mention what page I messed with. Please let others know I didn't actually do anything. :) Xiner (talk, email) 02:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, please post the warning at the sandbox (WP:SAND) and give me the diff (WP:DIFF). Xiner (talk, email) 14:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay. Ok, I pasted the level 1 template for vandalism here. How do I capture the link to the difference? Is this what you meant? [[Image:Face-grin.svg|20px]] - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 22:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good try.  would garner full credit. And yes, the full URL address is what is needed to capture a diff. Xiner (talk, email) 22:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Another assignment
When a user forgets to sign their message on a talk page, you can place something like after their post. You can add a second argument for the time of the post, but I'm not good at UTC and don't bother with it.

Required reading: WP:3RR. Please let me know when you are finished reading. Xiner (talk, email) 03:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Done reading and I used the unsigned template on Iped. [[Image:Face-grin.svg|20px]] - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 12:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Iped? Xiner (talk, email) 14:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I mean Intellipedia. [[Image:Face-grin.svg|20px]] - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 22:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, cool. :) Xiner (talk, email) 20:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi. It's time for another assignment. Please check User:Xiner/Adoptee assignments. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 01:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Amber Alert for Mychael Darthard March 10, 2007
I have added a "" template to the article Amber Alert for Mychael Darthard March 10, 2007, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached.

This is the sort of thing that belongs on Wikinews rather than in Wikipedia, and the baby has fortunately been found so there is no need to maintain the alert in the encyclopedia in any event. Metropolitan90 05:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

My concern about your username (WilsonjrWikipedia)
Hello, WilsonjrWikipedia, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or make you feel unwelcome, but I noticed your username, and am concerned that it might not meet Wikipedia's username policy. After you look over that policy, could we discuss that concern here? It appears that your username violates WP:U, as it contains the word Wikipedia, which is generally discouraged.

I'd appreciate learning your own views, for instance your reasons for wanting this particular name, and what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:
 * If you can relieve my concern through discussing it here, I can stop worrying about it.
 * If the two of us can't agree here, we can ask for help through Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, such as asking for a "third opinion", or requesting comments from other Wikipedians. Admins usually abide by agreements reached through this process.
 * If you decide to just go ahead and change your username, it is possible for you to keep your present contributions history under the new username: simply request a new name here following the guidelines on that page, rather than creating a whole new account.

Let me reassure you that my writing here means I don't think your username is grossly, blatantly, or obviously inappropriate; such names get reported straight to Administrator intervention against vandalism (WP:AIV), or blocked on sight. This is more a case where opinions might differ, and it would be good to reach some consensus — either here or at WP:RFC/NAME. So I look forward to a friendly discussion, and to enjoying your continued participation on Wikipedia. Thank you again! -- Orthologist 16:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is a problem. This user doesn't assert any relations with the Foundation, and "Rule added 19 February 2007. Such usernames created before this date may be allowed if they do not imply an official role or authority, or violate any of the other existing username rules." Xiner (talk, email) 01:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If it needs to be changed, I'm all for it. If it doesn't, then even better! Thanks for the comments. [[Image:Face-grin.svg|20px]] - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 23:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I fully understand Orthologist's concerns, but also think you're in the clear here. Xiner (talk, email) 19:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi there. I know I haven't been the best of adopters lately. Sorry, and I'd fully understand if you want to end your adoption. No hard feelings, and I'd still answer any questions you have (please do).

If you do want to continue the adoption, please complete the new assignments. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 01:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Xiner, I think you've done a great job! It is I who hasn't. I've just been so busy and unable to put the time in to fully take advantage of the tasks you layout. I will be able to soon though. [[Image:Face-grin.svg|20px]] - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 23:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, good to know. I know you have a fairly important day job, so take your time. Xiner (talk, email) 19:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Education in Afghanistan
With reference to - Talk:Education in Afghanistan

I'd like to offer my help in adding any info, that is, if you haven't already added it in yourself :) Happy editing, cheers! xC | ☎ 19:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Archiving
Hey, do you think since you have a bot archiving your talk page, that you might want to have a link to the page located on your talk page?  immunity  talk   14:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * To this page: Talk Page Archives -- Andrea 00:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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End of an era
Hi there. As you've probably noticed, I have neglected my duties - due to personal circumstances. I cannot in good conscience continue to bill myself as an active adopter, and have thus edited your userpage to reflect the change. Rest assured that I'm still available for any questions you may have on your Wikipedia journey. Please do NOT hesitate to contact me about anything. Good luck and message me again soon! Xiner (talk) 21:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark Ober
A template has been added to the article Mark Ober, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with db-author. Pdbailey 17:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia bio critiera
Hello, I just marked the above article for deletion on the basis of WP:BIO. A brief look through the articles you edited shows you've added a number of relatively marginal biographical articles. I'd suggest that you take a look at the bio link and be sure to make note of what makes an individual subject notable. One idea might be to make it clear why the criteria have been met on the aricle's page (i.e. linking to significant press coverage the person has receive). Pdbailey 17:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work in this area. I'm glad that you already know of significant press coverage for some of the people I marked with the notability tag. I think adding the references will help the articles be more authoritative to the casual reader, and help the reader recognize the importance of the person in question. Pdbailey 20:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Administrator template
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Meetup
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Speedy deletion of "Analyzing Intelligence: Origins, Obstacles, and Innovations"
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You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thanks. WadeSimMiser (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Material such as this is not suitable at all for Wikipedia. It smacks of original research. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  01:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * On reconsideration, it probably didn't fit the basis under which it was deleted, and I've restored it. However, it has been proposed for deletion as a non-notable book. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  12:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is a new book, but it's gaining notoriety, especially in the growing and maturing discipline of intelligence analysis. Thanks. - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 15:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Michael Johnson (ODNI)
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 * WP:BIO. He's not the Director. He's not the Principal Deputy Director. He's not one of the four Deputy Directors.  He's not even one of the three Associate Directors.  He's the *Associate* Deputy Director, which isn't one of the top 20 positions on the org chart.  One Google news hit (cited in the article), but that leads to a dead link; only other reference is an internal newsletter.  Tagged since 9/2007 without improvement.

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 * Um. We can confirm he exists, but fails WP:BIO -- and given that he's a spy, unless he's involved in some scandal or writes a memoir, it seems unlikely we will ever get "significant coverage in secondary sources independent of the subject."

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AfD nomination of United Parcel Service Flight 6
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Where the newspaper is
I recommend that you get yourself over to Two dead after United Parcel Service 747 crashes in Dubai, pronto, before it is no longer news, and write. If you feel a compulsion to report news events with articles on wikis, Wikinews is definitely the project for you. Uncle G (talk) 13:19, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To demonstrate that you have to be quick off the mark, too, I point out the existence of Cargo plane crashes in Dubai, two dead. Uncle G (talk) 13:23, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

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Military Historian of the Year
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Military history coordinator election
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WikiProject Military history coordinator election
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WikiProject Military history coordinator election
Greetings from WikiProject Military history! As a member of the project, you are invited to take part in our annual project coordinator election. If you wish to cast a vote, please do so on the election page by 23:59 (UTC) on 29 September. Yours, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC)