User talk:WilyD/Archives/2007/May

Re: Canada
np, I figured that is what happened :) Regards, -- Jeff3000 02:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Just checking...
Did you really intended to say "Editors are blocked for punishment, but because..." instead of "Editors are not blocked for punishment, but because..." here? --Abu badali (talk) 18:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Scott Tremaine
After seeing Scott Tremaine, I think you need to read less policy and write more articles. Just use your best judgement and don't edit war. WAS 4.250 04:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Wily, would you please give your opinion in this ? I'm trying to include the notion that North America is also a subcontinent in the single American continent model. Thanks. AlexCovarrubias 11:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I am still waiting!
why you have not yet filled the mediation request, despite my consent which I declared it in your talk page? and if you are not anymore interested in that issue, I will ask the protection be removed. take care--Pejman47 20:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Mediation
Thanks for the invitation, Wily. However, I am not sure that I am an involved party. Am I? I once responded to the RfC but I did not actually edit the article as best as I can recall. If I did not, and I don't think I did, perhaps I am an uninvolved party and can comment as such?--Mantanmoreland 20:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Wily. I think it might be best if I make a statement as an uninvolved party.--Mantanmoreland 22:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
This message delivered: 08:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC).

permissible WP:SYN
I think you are right. I think the criteria for permissible synthesis is poorly defined and not obvious at all within wiki namespace. You raise good objections at the WP:OR discussion page. If I was good at shepherding wikipolicy into effect I would start the Synthesis wiki-essay today. MPS 01:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Check it: It's ok to use your brain... not exactly a policy but it may drive thought as the WP:SYN policy is created. Peace, MPS 03:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Offer still stands
Yes, the offer still stands. I'm going to be mostly offline the next week or two, but I'll start an RFA in the next day or so and let you go over it before I submit it.--Isotope23 14:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

State terrorism in Sri lanka
There is a discussion to delete this article. As a part of the first nomination please contribute to this. Thanks. here

RFA
I started your RFA. Is there anything about your activities here you would like highlighted in the nom before you accept and I publish this for !voting?--Isotope23 14:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, let me know when you are done answering the questions and I will post it up on the main RFA page.--Isotope23 14:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've added it to Requests for adminship.--Isotope23 15:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't sweat it... we need more admins and an admin who will take the time to actually look at something and source it if it can be done a very useful addition to the pool.--Isotope23 15:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

My RFA
I assume you mean tools and promotion - I'm not sure what tools and demotion would be? I become an admin and get blocked? Anyhow, you may be right that I'm too sparse in my use of edit summaries - I often forget, it's true. WilyD 19:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No. I meant demotion. See here. Pedro | Chat  19:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have change to oppose on your RfA. Sorry, and I wish you luck - no doubt my stance will not affect the outcome anyway! Meantime, Happy Editing. Pedro | Chat  19:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That's still kind of strange language - I wouldn't say demotion unless I lost my ability to be an editor/author.   The implication in what I said about promotion isn't that I see adminship as a promotion, but that I inferred you see it that way.  Regards WilyD 19:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a fair comment, but I'm still of the opinion that gettng some extra tools is not a promotion. I got a spanky new laptop at work recently, with no change of job title, grade or salary. I have a new tool but no "promotion". That's why I've moved to oppose, as I really think admins should not see themselves as "better" than other editors, and your comments would indicate you feel otherwise. Sorry, and I'm sure / hope your RfA will do well without me, and if you pass you will use the tools wisely. Pedro | Chat


 * I am a bit curious where you get that I thought of adminship as a promotion - I implied (and I believe this) that it's not a demotion - after all, you still have all the powers of a (non-admin) editor. Much more like a second job in parallel.  Not better, but not worse either (which is what you seem to be implying).  But in the end, I definitely don't believe it's a demotion.  Maybe amotion is the best term. WilyD 20:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Again a very fair answer. I got the idea that you thought it was promotion as opposed to anything else from your comments just up the page - where you said "I assume you mean tools and promotion". Don't take this the wrong way but that is kind of pretty clear. Sorry, but you did say that, and as such I feel that you belive an admin is a cut above other editors here and hence my oppose. Nevertheless my repeated best wishes. Pedro | Chat  20:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Scott Tremaine and Marilyn
Hi. Picked this up from Bellagio's talk page. Is this any good as a mention of their marriage? It's from the Princeton University site - not necessarily independent, but certainly reliable I would have thought. Ref (chew) (do) 21:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh well, I tried. I cannot find anything more clear-cut than that. They're "him and her" mentions without reference to marriage, so could be brother and sister even. And mostly in-house in some form or other. Here's the Google link I used. Good luck sourcing it. Ref (chew) (do) 21:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi WilyD and Refsworldlee (we meet again). I just responded to WilyD's query to me on my Bellagio99 talk page where he queried me, to keep the conversation in one place (I think it's a better system). The short version here: I am a reliable source: Marilyn is a very close friend and Scott is a friend. There ain't much decent documentation, if you don't accept my word, but here is documentation from our farewell party for them, when Marilyn was still only using her pre-Tremaine name: http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/people/MarilynMantei/party.html. She later went to Marilyn Mantei Tremaine (which is how I think of her, as she is a well-known computer scientist in her own right, published under Marilyn Mantei) and later, Marilyn Tremaine.

Speaking of documentation, I wondered if the phrase saying one of the world's most outstanding scientists was overly-hyped for a non-Nobel. But I know Scott is tremendously well thought of. Bellagio99 22:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I just emailed Scott to see if it is OK to list his marriage. This may be "original research" but it struck me as the best poicy given that some people wondered. And we haven't communicated in about 6 months. Bellagio99 00:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Received response from Scott today. He'd prefer not to have the marriage entry, because it's anomalous as the only personal item in there.
 * I disagree with the policy, as marriages help make the person be what s/he is. Or as I said to a Cdn married lesbian couple yesterday, "Behind every woman is a woman";-) Bellagio99 14:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Messier 102
It seems like the identity of Messier 102 will never be confirmed. At this time, the SIMBAD Astronomical Database and NASA/IPAC Extragalactic Database give differing identifications for M102. The SEDS.org webpage on M102 (http://www.seds.org/messier/m/m102d.html), which is one of the few pages from that website that I would actually use as a reference on Wikipedia, draws the conclusion that M102 may refer to NGC 5866. However, I would be more conservative and simply state that the identification is still ambiguous. Dr. Submillimeter 08:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Afd Notice - second time around for Unsolved problems in chemistry
Unfortunately this article has again be nominated for deletion Articles for deletion/Unsolved problems in chemistry. I know you tried to save it the first time around. Could you please help again. --Heliumballoon 17:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't know every single possible rule/idea that exists in wikipedia. But this article was up for deletion once and IMHO its an important article. It should never have been renominated to begin with. If you would rather not argue for its deletion because of someone else's unintentional violation of a wikipedia policy then so be it. Heliumballoon 17:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Gracias (thanks) for your suggestions on the wikipedia help desk, so I think I get it. The english wikipedia is for all things that fall into the guidelines, but have to be written in English. Generally, what is there to do around here? Francisco Tevez 16:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Español isn't quite as good and as large as the English wikipedia. I find this one more open, and populated, and easy to interact with other editors too. Francisco Tevez 16:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)