User talk:Wingtipvortex/Archive 2012

Infobox cargo spacecraft
Just a heads up, modifications to Template:Infobox cargo spacecraft are being discussed here.--Craigboy (talk) 23:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DragonRiderMockup.jpg
In the future please upload free images to wikicommons so they can be used by other wikiprojects. Only upload an image to wikipedia if its a non-free image. Thank you.--Craigboy (talk) 20:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Craigboy. I am aware of the commons, unfortunately I do not have access to them on my network, that is why I do not upload there most of the time. But thank you for copying it there yourself. WingtipvorteX   (talk)   ∅  01:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of curious why don't you have access to wikicommons?--Craigboy (talk) 20:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * IT department doesn't think we need an image database to complete our jobs. WingtipvorteX   (talk)   ∅  00:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Spaceflight
Have you ever thought about joining WikiProject Spaceflight?--Craigboy (talk) 23:08, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Why yes, I thought I had already joined. Silly me. Thanks Craigboy! -- WingtipvorteX  (talk)   ∅  00:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I must say it is great to have you helping out, I am glad you are on board.


 * There is some light/med/heavy reading here for you if you have time. Penyulap  ☏  06:32, 16 Jul 2012 (UTC)

SeaWorld photo
Thanks for uploading your photo of a SeaWorld park. You had added it to the article about the unrelated Australian theme park. Please see the Locations section in the SeaWorld article to determine which park the photo was actually taken of. Regards Themeparkgc   Talk  23:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Themeparkgc, I am so sorry about that. Completely missed it. It never occurred to me that there was more than one Sea World. I guess that is what happens when you've never been there :( My picture is from SeaWorld San Diego, I'll correct that on the file and put it in the appropriate article. Yikes! I feel really bad now. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  01:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I added a Template:Rename media on the file to get it to specify its location. I notice you are a file mover, so if you could get to that, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  01:17, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't feel bad about it, that sort of thing has happened many times before. I also moved the file for you. Themeparkgc   Talk  04:06, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that and for letting me know. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  20:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
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I've also replied to you on the ISS resupply template talk page.  W.  D.   Graham  11:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

File:DragonC2+ Parachutes Deployed.jpg
Hi. The link you added as source does not work for me. Could you perhaps check it to see if it works for you? Thank you. --MGA73 (talk) 11:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it doesn't work for me either. It was a news article. Unfortunately I'm not very good with archiving websites, so I just put in the at-the-time working link.
 * Mmmm. Well, the image is NASA's. They were the only ones with a chase-plane that day. No questioning that. I'll have to dig through the NASA site and find the video there. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  14:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have found a working link and placed it in the image file. This file is now confirmed to be a free image. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Looks good to me :-) --MGA73 (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. Thank you for letting me know. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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A file that you uploaded or altered, File:DragonC2+ Parachutes Deployed.jpg, has been listed at Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have found a working link and placed it in the image file. This file is now confirmed to be a free image. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Wingtipvortex
That's a different response to the usual, what I normally find is Craigboy never really finishes a conversation he just leaves it hanging. So it's often not till he comes back and pushes against the consensus like on the ISS and Chinese space station that we run into mischief. It's not a big deal because there is the clear consensus there, and it settles down each time. Sure is annoying though, a long line of half conversations but meh, that's how people are, all different.

The key to bringing together all of the ISS editors is that 'it's settled' template, and the underlying claims of a status Quo. It's all faulty and based upon a foundation of misbehaviour. If they have a consensus which is on their side, then taking down all of it, declaring no status quo and having a little vote to have a fresh strong and healthy consensus shouldn't be a problem. The absolute unwillingness to compromise and the white-knuckle grip on the templates can only possibly stem from one place, and that is a knowledge that what they are doing is wrong. If anyone was confident of having a consensus on their side, they'd be all too willing to prove it on the asking. Even the fact that I am one of the two largest contributors and my offer to vote British still won't do it for him. I feel we can ask for outside help if we can't do it ourselves. Penyulap  ☏  18:51, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Wingtipvortex, I'd like to know your opinion on something. There are a few people who haven't 'got it' yet that I don't actually have Autism, and I'm not retarded, and what I have is quite different. It is more like an upgrade in a professor X sort of way. It does allow me, like Auntie Pesky says, to process vast quantities of information consciously in a manner that neuro-typicals don't normally have access to. It allows me to see clearly not only the person behind the keyboard and what machine they use, how they edit, what their cultural background is, blah blah f'ing blah, but it also allows me to assess with precision their intentions as well.


 * Now here is the thing, if hypothetically some sockmaster had a selection of different accounts for different purposes, but was consistently misusing them and wouldn't stop, what would you do ?


 * WP:SOCK directs editors to start WP:SPI -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * For example, if the sockmaster used one throw away harassment account to cross the line into illusion of support, and that was exposed so the account was completely useless for anything evermore, but then instead of getting the hint, the sockmaster turned to another account, one used for privacy and started using that account to create illusion of support too, what would you do ?


 * WP:SOCK still directs to start WP:SPI -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The editor has no choice but to abandon his attempts to create illusion of support and this is not negotiable, even if it is done with a dual purpose account which is otherwise meant to protect privacy. I would give my findings to a SPI investigator privately, in a manner 'a cat could understand', which is the standard I adhere to. But the thing is, that the user would have to take down his illusion or stop using the account and that means that other people would have their attention drawn to the same information I can see, because it is public.


 * Do you think it would be enough if I had a quiet word to him one of his talkpages and point out yet again, that creating illusion of support is something that people don't like and he should stop ? I've tried it before, and I'm thinking that maybe I'll have to take the British flag he is waving and shove it up his private SPI investigation, but there is my dilemma, all I want is peace and harmony while the sockmaster continues to paint themselves into corners and hurt them-self and the community with their selfish agenda. Would you agree that this needs to stop, and stop right now ? I'm not sure it will work, as switching accounts was the last response I got. Do you think I should give up trying to assist this editor in subtle and harmonious ways ? Penyulap  ☏  10:09, 24 Jul 2012 (UTC)


 * You are not an admin. All you can do is simply point an editor to WP policy, tell them in which ways you think they are going against it, and requesting them to stop. If they don't, and their behavior is disruptive, tell an admin or start WP:ANI.


 * So you want this editor to continue disruptive behavior so you can bust them for a bigger disruption later?


 * Where are you going with this? And why did you want my opinion? I'm hardly qualified to be enforcing and/or suggesting how to enforce WP policy. Briton, Yankee, or whatever, please be nice to your hypothetical sockmaster. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank a lot
Thank you very much for your warm welcome. Please help me by informing an administrator to review my requests at Requests for permissions/Confirmed. Thanks. JonesBredd (talk) 21:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. Get at least 10 good edits to the article mainspace in your records and I'll add my support for you. Nicely done on fighting vandalism so far. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  22:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have already added a reference to Yukichi Yamamatsu.Why it needs additional references ? The Jones (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You need one reference to for a biography to comply with WP:BLP, but you also need to establish that the subject of the article is notable enough to have his own article. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  23:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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xaphoon
Hello Wingtip.

I have included the Trademark/Tradename File Numbers and the US Patent number for toe Xaphoon. Until now I have allowed others to make all the posts regarding the xaphoon, but recently there have been a number of unauthorized copies on my instruments posted on Ebay. Each time we are able to remove the posts by citing the violations of intellectual property. Since the violations have all been coming from China, I am perceiving that the recent claims on Wikipedia that the Xaphoon is related to ancient Chinese instruments are being posted in an attempt to justify the theft of intellectual property. Out of fairness, I have left the mention of the Chinese Instruments intact in my latest revision; however, I have reworded the claim that these instruments are also Xaphoons.

Xaphoon is a trade name, not a generic name.

Please let me know any other issues you may have with my edits, and I will be glad to supply appropriate verification.

Thanks Xaphoon (talk) 01:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Xaphoon,


 * OK, I understand now. This is tricky. You have a self admitted conflict of interest in the article, which I'm glad you've disclosed, but which is going to cause some editors to question your motives. But this goes beyond what you should edit. If the WP article was in violation of a trademark, I would suggest you as the owner of the trademark, not as a wikipedian, contact the Foundation with a complaint here. Give them all the details about everything in a good and comprehensive business owner to encyclopedia letter and let them take it from there.


 * Now, as far as your username, it is in two violations of WP policy:
 * It is the name of a company
 * It is trademarked
 * So I'm also going to put a notice for that on your talk page, just so you can more easily get to it.


 * Again, your problem is more of a legal issue than an editorial one. Let me know if you have any questions or further concerns, I'll be glad to help. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  15:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Lskitto
Hi, when i goto My Contributions, i see numbers like (+14) and (-1), what are they? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lskitto (talk • contribs) 07:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That is the change in file size after your edit. Be sure to sign all your posts in talk pages by adding ~ after your text. Cheers!-- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  14:29, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 W.  D.   Graham  19:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied again. -- W.  D.   Graham  20:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI Thread about sockpuppeting
well, due to your popular demands, I've started the ANI thread. Penyulap  ☏  21:16, 30 Jul 2012 (UTC)

From Asd1555
Stop editing my posts please. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asd1555 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to provide sources for your content. Plain and simple. Please put comments in the correct place on my talk page, as instructed by the template on the top of this page. Please sign your posts. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  23:53, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

A novice
It seems you may have communicated re: my efforts to launch a page for our trade association (American Association for Long Term Care Insurance). It is true that I serve as the director but we have no outside staff or IT folks - just 2 admin people. So I am not sure how to do something other than doing it myself. I based what I did on two other entities that I found LTC Financial Partners and National Association of Health Underwriters (much bigger than us).

If you can help - great. I'm just trying to provide some valuable info so folks can find us. Jesse Slome Executive Director AALTCI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesseslome22 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Jesse,


 * I'd be more than happy to help. What I need from you to start are reliable, independent sources that discuss your organization to establish its notability. We'll go from there.


 * Pleas sign your posts by adding ~, that will insert your signature.


 * Cheers! -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  02:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I apologize but I'm really not sure what to do. I've read all I can but I just don't get what you are after.  I have attempted to make the posting about the Association informational.  I can remove my name - that really is not relevant to the topic.  I just saw other organizations had such info so I mirrored them.
 * We'd like to see the listing remain as we are a legit organization but whatever you need to do, I guess is the way it works.
 * Jesse Slome
 * Many thanks for your efforts to communicate with me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesseslome22 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Jesse, what I (Wikipedia) need(s) is a third party source, such as a news article, a directory of organizations that do the same as yours, something that your organization has not published themselves but talks about it specifically. This is to establish that your org is notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia. Once we have that, we can use primary sources (what your company has published) to add all the details. Does that make sense?
 * It is OK, even preferable, that you mirror the articles about other similar organizations. No problem with your name there, that is very acceptable. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  16:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Marczyński
See the comments now at the AfD article. As the article is now about the correct person rather than the non-notable overwrite that you flagged, I suggest closing the AfD? AllyD (talk) 16:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree, I've posted at the AfD. Thank you for bringing that up. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  21:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the welcome
Nice of you to greet me, thanks. Eyeeyecaptain (talk) 11:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  15:56, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * While I can see how you would think that I might have a conflict of interest in my editing history, I want to assure you that I've never been employed by or received payment or favors from any of the Wikipedia topics I've written about, which includes Gold & Wood, Gunnar Optiks, Moscot, Fielmann, or EyeMasters. None of them.  Would you be so kind as to remove your "warning" from my Talk page? Eyeeyecaptain (talk) 12:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Eyeeyecaptain. Firstly, I had closed this discussion, as I thought you would no longer reply. The instructions said to make additional comments in a new section. Not a big deal as I've fixed it, but something to keep in mind as you continue to edit WP in the future: closed (or archived) discussions should be left alone.
 * As far as the conflict of interest:
 * The notice I posted on your talk page was not an accusation. it was simply a notice. I put it there because your userpage said you worked for a company with specific specializations, and I wanted you to be aware of WP policy you would have to understand to avoid a conflict of interest while editing those articles that may relate to where you work at. If I had thought you were editing with a COI, I would have sent this up to an administrator. As far as removing it, it is your talk page, you are the moderator and can add or remove anything you want. Keep in mind some consider it bad practice to delete comments while some don't. My suggestion is you set up archiving for your talk page with MiszaBot III.
 * Let me know if I can be of more help. Cheers! -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  16:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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No edits since July 21. May be you could revise your statement in deletion discussion. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 13:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've supported a delete. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  16:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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I was wondering if you would consider reviewing your !Vote on the Chavis Carter article. obviously the article is in a poor state and needs improvement, but I am loath to take the time if it is all just going to be deleted shortly. In the time since your !vote, there has been a lot of further coverage, across the country, and in several international locataions as well (Canada, 2xUK, Australia, etc) Thanks for your time. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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your notes on the Peer Learning page
Hello:

Just wanted to let you know that I saw your comments on the Peer learning page. The critiques seem valid and I hope me or others will be able to address them. However, the copyright concern isn't accurate, and I'm not sure how best to make that clear. The essay was indeed copied -- from a source where it is posted with formal legal permission to re-use (a CC0 waiver, see http://peeragogy.org/resources/license/), and when the main author saw it on Wikipedia, she said: "Thanks so much for doing this! It looks great and I can't wait to see what others will contribute." Where/how should I make this clear so that in the future other people don't assume that the copyright question you raised applies? 137.108.145.39 (talk) 23:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The CC0 Waiver is good. I've re-added the copy tag, because it needs to be properly attributed in the references section. If you add that as the template instructs you to, it will prevent future problems.
 * It is good to hear the author is happy that her essay is in WP, but if she released it as CC0, her opinion isn't relevant as she won't get credit for it. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  16:53, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This is [done], hopefully that will suffice. Arided (talk) 18:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You should use Template:Source-attribution ( Source-attribution ) for it to be done properly. Loot at the template syntax to make sure all the information is correctly added. That will suffice. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  20:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool, done, thanks for your help! Arided (talk) 14:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Why thank you, Gaijin42! My pleasure helping out. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


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Requests to delete your images as G7
Hi Wingtipvortex. I have respectfully declined your G7 requests for the images you've uploaded for the following reasons:
 * The first element of G7 requires that an editor be asking in a good faith attempt to improve Wikipedia (e.g., rectifying an error). However, it appears that your requests are part of an attempt to vanish from Wikipedia, possibly in response to the thread immediately above. This does not come across as good faith, rather an attempt to prove a point. While I am not a mind reader, I can say for sure that the images have far more value to the encyclopedia as restored than as deleted.
 * Because your images are integrated in articles, they are used, and the articles have been built around them. Therefore, the spirit of the second element of G7, which is that there cannot be substantial edits from other users around the content, would require that we keep some of the images.

I do not mean to sound accusatory, and we very much value your contributions and hope you can continue to make them. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:48, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Magog the Ogre, I am sorry you think I am trying to vanish from WP or trying to prove a point. The above thread you mention is unfortunate, but will have no lasting impact in my editing Wikipedia (aside from the fact I may come off with more knowledge on the file moving process).
 * I am trying to consolidate and streamline my work at WP to accommodate certain changes in my life that will affect how I am able to edit. As I have increased my knowledge of photography in the recent past (see all the work I've done at featured picture candidates), I have realized that many of the images I've uploaded are not up to the standards at which I now take pictures, hence my desire to delete them and start anew. If I was still in the area and in a position to retake the images, I would have simply updated the files but alas, I am not able to do so. I am glad however, that you think some of the images have encyclopedic value, and respect your decision to keep them, despite me wishing to not have such poor images associated to me. I do understand that I granted the foundation an irrevocable license.
 * It is unfortunate you thought I was requesting the deletions in bad faith, but it is understandable seeing my odd edits today. I should have put up a notice or something... Cheers! -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  04:30, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK; I'm glad we could clear that up. Sometimes people will nominate an image for deletion and not give a rationale, and it leaves administrators and image patrollers sitting confused. Anyway, I personally would feel more comfortable if you would nominate them for deletion at WP:FFD with an explanation that they're not up to quality, but that at least one other person in the community found use in them so it was unclear if G7 applied (sometimes an unprofessional image is better than none at all). However, if you want a second opinion, feel free to just retag the images and another admin will come along eventually and do something with them. And I did delete one image that was only used on a talk page and had absolutely no foreseeable use for the future. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 04:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I do feel some (like File:Roger Hodgson Headshot.jpg), being such poor quality and unused in the article space, have no use, especially if there are other, better images of the subject. But I will go through WP:FFD with the bad ones when I have the time. Thank you for bringing up the rationale point, I guess it is easy to get greedy with twinkle. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  14:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

ANI notif
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Move of draft into mainspace. Thank you. Deor (talk) 14:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know. It has been taken care of (I think). -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  14:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good; I wasn't quite sure what to do in a case like this, so I just left it for someone else. No reflection on your editing. Deor (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'm glad you brought it up. I had no idea a sub-page would be in mainspace, and definitely would not have wanted it to stay there.-- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  19:36, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

File move requests
Hello and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I have denied your file move requests because they do not meet the guidelines for requesting moves and recommend you read the file moving guidelines. '''-- Cheers, Riley   Huntley ''' 01:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Riley, I have read and am familiar with the file moving guidelines. I am surprised you denied all the requests. Honest question here, did you go through all of them, or after seeing one or two that did not meet the guidelines decided to deny all of them? I am quite certain at least some of them should have qualified, especially the logo renames that did not include all of the corporate name in the file name (such as Ladybird logo2, how many different entities can there be that are called ladybird? How many that are called Ladybird Books? Much fewer).
 * You are the expert here, so I would appreciate it if you explained each denial in terms of the guidelines to me, as clearly, they are either vague or I did not understand them. In any case, allow me to assure you that my requests for moving those files were meant in good faith for the improvement of the encyclopedia. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  02:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there. I just wanted to step in and say that for at least the two I saw (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AZemmix_logo_003.png&action=view&diff=515556241 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AZemmix_logo_003.png&action=view&diff=515556241) Riley's denial was correct. While the number may or may not be meaningless, removing it would constitute an incredibly marginal improvement. We are not supposed to make changes to file names where the difference is only marginal for two reasons; first, we can't account for how chaining the name effects people who are reusing the content off-wiki, and second, while it's more stable now than it used to be, file moving is still a fragile process. There are outstanding bugs at bugzilla that detail the issues, but file moving shouldn't be done casually while the system isn't perfect.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  02:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sven, the one you point to is a marginal improvement. I believe some of the others weren't, but Riley may have his reasons and I'd like to hear them. You bring to light something that concerns me. If there are bugs and problems that make the file-moving system so fragile, whys is this not explained in the guidelines? Why is it not explained that there needs to be a significant reason for renaming? Not that I hold you responsible for it not being there, of course. But look at it. You are given 8 reasons for which a file move should not be denied, and two for which they should be denied. The guidelines for in-between are MIA. My rationale was that a more descriptive name would improve WP. And none of the names I requested were in the 'deny' category of the guidelines. As far as off-wiki content, all these files were fair-use, so there shouldn't be any off-wiki use for them as far as I'm aware (though today seems to be the day of being told things I wasn't aware of...) Cheers! -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  03:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We default to not changing the name. The list of reasons for changing are explicit, the list of reasons not to change are examples.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  04:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As much as I would love to write a huge reply to this, I really don't think it is necessary. I denied all the requests because they did not meet file moving guidelines and if they did, your custom reasons didn't specify how they did. As I have mentioned to users before, I only move requests per guidelines. -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  04:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I can honestly say I am disappointed in your denial of my request to educate me. You, sir, are most unhelpful. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  14:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I was not denying your request to be educated, I was I didn't think it was necessary to write a detailed reasoning for each request, but now it seems it is. I will do so when I have more time to explain. But for now, as Sven said we (file movers) default to not changing the name when it is not necessary to. From what I see, Sven and I share the same reasoning. The guidelines, do explained that there needs to be a significant reason for renaming, which is why there is examples. Yes, your rationale for moving the files is in good faith but does removing three numbers from a file name really improve WP? If you are editing, it may but when you are dealing with a fragile "system" (I have gotten the honor to experience bugs from it) it really isn't needed.For example, File:IMG089472 should be renamed to what either the description or image describes because the name is totally useless and finding the image would be almost impossible (through searching without categories). I don't see how moving "File:Zemmix logo 003.png" to "File:Zemmix Logo" would improve Wikipedia, specially since you are going to find the image either way. As I said before, I will explain further when I have more time. :) -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  19:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand better now. Thank you. The examples you give and the way you explain them make sense. I don't think all of my move requests were such marginal improvements, so I look forward to reading what you thought of each one. Thank you for agreeing to do that. Cheers! -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  14:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have been super busy lately, two 8 hour shifts on the 2rd (should be illegal), another shift yesterday and just had to help someone move. I apologize for being able to expand my thoughts further on this and I will reply on this in a couple hours after I get some sleep! Again, I apologize, thanks for your patience! -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  23:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That is tough. No worries, I understand. Take as long as you need. Real life comes first for me too, and while WP is a great cause, it can wait. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  19:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Tania De Rozario (notability)
Hello, thanks for your notability notice on Tania De Rozario's page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tania_De_Rozario

I have added some reliable secondary sources about the topic (the references list links to both the URL pages and Wikipedia pages of the sources). I would like to know if the notability notice can be removed as to my knowledge, these are reliable secondary sources. Tania has been the recipient of numerous local (Singaporean) literary awards, many of which have been properly referenced. Elfpunk (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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The King's Dream
This is a TV series, so is not eligible for speedy deletion A-7: please read the definitions carefully before trying to nominate articles for deletion. Pam D  07:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You are correct, I misread the criteria. My apologies. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  14:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Carlo Schmid
Hi, the reference is in the article. But I will add more. --Rüeblibüebli (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good. Make sure the references are reliable sources and are secondary (not published by the subject of the article). Cheers!-- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  17:07, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I added 2 leading Swiss media, one leading German media, one source in Oman and one from Japan. --Rüeblibüebli (talk) 17:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The Oman source was good. I added citations using it. You may do the same for the foreign-language ones, as that may remove some of the citation needed templates I had to add. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:04, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

John Sutton
Hi Wingtipvortex, I was wondering why you tagged John Sutton II as unreferenced when there are 6 references from 5 sources listed under John Sutton II. Please clarify your reasons for tagging. Thanks,  &mdash;  Jason Sosa  18:13, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That is an excellent question. Likely a bug in the page curation toolbar. I've reverted it. Thank you for catching this, and thank you for asking in a civil way why I tagged an article. -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  18:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for looking into this. saw that you were using a gadget, and figured that it was probably a mistake. There is no reason to fly off the handle, like some newbians have known to do. Take care,   &mdash;  Jason Sosa  18:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Seonangshin
The article Seonangshin is not a hoax!!!!!!!!!! It is true that there are many stone towers in the Korean penninsula, considered altars to the goddess Seonangshin; there's even one in the mountain overlooking my apartment!

Besides, I based the article on the 'Great Encyclopedia of the Culture of the Korean People' (한국민족문화대백과); see http://terms.naver.com/entry.nhn?docId=574112&mobile&categoryId=1627!!! It's one of the most reliable Korean sources on traditional Korean culture, and I can prove that it was written by a manager of the National Museum of Culture, which is in Seoul! If you don't know Korean, translate it!!!

It's not a hoax just because you don't know about it!!! If you're still not convinced, read 'Alive Korean Mythology'!!!!!!


 * Don't be offended by the tags (I have restored them, by the way, in good faith, as just because you think it is not a hoax, you shouldn't remove all the tags). The purpose of the tags is to notify you of things that could be improved. For example, you removed the tag for additional categories when in fact the article does need more categories. As I said in the message on you talk page, if you have an issue with the tags, you are free to remove them after explaining why you don't think they are appropriate in the article's talk page. In any case, I never said your article was a hoax (if I had, it would have been deleted), I said it may be a hoax and it needs attention from an expert. I don't speak Korean, and google translate did not help me. The site may or may not be legitimate. Please read WP:RS as to what constitutes a reliable source. Also, please read the notability guidelines. Unfortunately in wikipedia, being true does not make something notable. It needs to be verifiable.
 * The tags are not a criticism of your work. Please don't take it personally. They are simply a way to help editors make a better article. Cheers! -- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  15:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I explained why the tags are unjust in Seonangshin's talk page, and I also removed all the tags except one that I could not explain. --Seonookim 07:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that is how it should be done. You made a good case for it. I re-added the request for additional categories, as I think it needs more than one. Cheers!-- WingtipvorteX  PTT   ∅  15:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!!--Seonookim 02:34, 13 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seonookim (talk • contribs)

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Hi Wngtipvortex, I have left you a request in the talk page, the regarded page has many refrences in it, and the mentioned person is notable and does really exist, you may search her name in google and wiki answers, every explanitaion in the page has a link and refrence, please do review and follow up, you may copy and paste her persian name in google also many pages and journals come up. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DEBORAH1111 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 16 October 2012

Page Curation newsletter - closing up!
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We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.

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