User talk:Wino1959

A lengthy welcome
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I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again. --Hipal (talk) 03:07, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * So what should an editor do when a verifiable falsehood is discovered? 99.76.58.190 (talk) 14:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Lori Greiner
Hello, I'm Hipal. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person   on  Lori Greiner, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! --Hipal (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Are high school yearbooks copyrighted and published publically? I refer you to the 1978 yearbook from the Francis W. Parker School, 330 W. Webster Avenue, Chicago, IL 60614, telephone number, 773-353-3000. The person I refer to, Lori Greiner, graduated in the same class as me in 1978 and at the time went by the name Lori Husman (her maiden name). On multiple web sites, her birth year is listed as 1969. Her high school graduation year is listed as 1987. Both of these are false. Wino1959 (talk) 13:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding. Briefly:
 * A yearbook isn't usable per WP:BLPPRIMARY.
 * See WP:DOB, Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public.
 * If you find anything that might be useful, bring it to the article talk page, Talk:Lori_Greiner. --Hipal (talk) 16:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that Lori's date of birth has been widely asserted by "reliable" sources, but that does not make the assertions correct. It does beg the question: "why have these sources allowed themselves to be duped?" And why is it that provably inaccurate information is preferable to provably accurate information? I would also like to ask the question...why does Wikipedia appear willing to stand in the way of making corrections to inaccurate information that has been published on it's web site? What would Wiki find to be adequate documentation proving it has allowed inaccurate information to be published on it's web site that would satisfy the editing staff? Would a birth certificate be sufficient proof of age? Wino1959 (talk) 21:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wino1959
 * What sites are you referring to? All the sites I've seen that have a DOB for her are either poorly sourced and unreliable. Also if you have the 1978 yearbook, you can upload it on Classmates.com. It likely won't considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards, but it can be useful to determine whether or not the DOB for someone that's listed on many sites is incorrect. That's what I usually do when there's conflicting info on someone's DOB. Especially if there's info such as what high school or college they graduated from and it also mentions what year they graduated and the birth year that's listed doesn't support their grad year. The 1987 yearbook is on Classmates and I checked it and Lori Greiner(or Husman) is nowhere to be found.
 * Finding an actual reliable source for someone's DOB is easier said than done as many sites web scrape without any regard to the reliability or accuracy of the content. That's one of the reasons why Wikipedia doesn't allow editors to just simply use any website they find online that has a DOB to be used as a source. There's also IMDB which is user generated and probably where most of these other sites are getting that info from. Kcj5062 (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)