User talk:Wisconsin3

Enormously biased article. In Vietnam, we lost a total of over 8,000 aircraft of all types,helicopters included, including approximately over 600 F4 Phantoms( and if you read anything anywhere about this plane, then or now, it was billed as a "super  plane") that were shot down by Mig 17&19 as well as SAMS, etc. In fact, reviewing the plane-by-plane "dogfight" statistics by unbiased reportage  shows a relatively even total of planes shot down by both sides-sorry, all you "Top Gun" lovers and true  believers- we don't always win, but believing this gets us deeper into it the next time around, such as Iraq, today. In fact, John McCain, hero magna  hero,  lost 4 planes in crashes  before eventually being shot down and captured.(He was judged to be "inferior" or at best "average" in his pilot trainee days). Truth be told, here's a guy that won 27 medals for just 20 hours of combat before being shot down!! That's approx. 1 medal for every half hour he fought!! Any lightbulbs going on here re.: the accuracy of reporting both past and present? The sadness in all this, and my point, is that we keep making the same mistake and getting more young kids killed, to say nothing of native populations, because of such propaganda, because we are a "superpower". That's why we're always getting our ass kicked. A few sources: See works by Marshall L. Michell III, Naval Institute Press,and Dr. Istvan Toperczer,re.: Mig units in the Vietnam war. (References provided in past Wikipedia). (Wisconsin3 (talk) 02:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC))