User talk:Wisekwai/archive6

Aussie film template
Hi Wise hope things are good. I didn't see the message about the Aussie template until the other day when I arhcived my talk page - I was trying to get a standard for all template but if there was a problem with the image then I guess its absolutely fine. Its just I don't want all the templates to be altered. The country film lists are going well I have begun sorting out the Indian film lists -hard work but they are beginning to look good -I also started many new country lists -I think we have just about all the notable film producers - now the task is to document film history by country to completion!!. Check out the progess on Lists of Indian films. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Its kind of grown on me anyway -I was just a little concerned that people might complain about the size of the flag in film articles. I am sorting out Bollywood films first!! I wish Indian cinema would do more to help the lists. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thats odd yesterday I created severla articles on spaghetti western chaarcters including Angel Eyes and El Indio. I added Category:Fictional Western characters. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 14:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thats my favourite film of all time! The part with the Jewish orchestra and the bridge is genius. I have it as part of the Dollars trilogy. I as a film buff also have Once Upon a time in the West and Fistful of Dynamite. Once Upon a time in the West also a superb film - I consider the score of this film by Morricone the greatest of all time. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 15:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

If you haven't got them you should definately get the Dollars trilogy of films and Once upon a time in the west. Many of CLint Eastwood's films of the late 1960s and early 70s are a must - I have them all - Hang em high, sister sara, and even High Plains Drifter -have you seen this? It is quite a disturbing film ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 15:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Eastwood and Wayne are my favourite actors. Yesterday I watched The Lawless Frontier dvd from 1934!! -terrible editing ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 15:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I have Django too - incidentally I added the info box and image to Sergio Corbucci yesterday -I'd like to get more of his films. That site looks great - its amazing how many specialist wiki sites are spawning! Rod Steiger in fistful -obviously modelled on Tuco. I have a major crush on Claudia Cardinale - I have her image as a screensaver -one sexy women -something in her eyes!! I also love the character actors you get -small time actors who keep appearing in many films e.g Enzo Petito in GBU - I stubbed most of the actors in this film including Bill Carson!!! . I did discuss with User:Prolog about setting up WikiProject Westerns a branch of films or Wikiproject Films/Westerns and I had a number of people interested but haven't had the time to propose it. Would you be interested?

Also are there many older Thai films missing from the list? - it seems like older Thai films aren't too well documented. All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 15:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The score in High Plains freaks me out -the discords and the setting and the ruthless bull whipping and that thing about paiting the town red -not exactly a comedy ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 15:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Film reel deletions
HI Wise - its silly but the commons have decided to get shot of all our lovely film reels. What a blow! As the image is in the templates on all the country lists I think I'll begin modifying them to look like the Template:Brazilianfilmlist with the flag/cinema icon in the top in big - the commons can't delete those. However this means I may have quite a list of icons that need to be manufactured. Is is possible you could gradually create the remainder? Almost forgot - I have lkkned the Thai actor and directors lists with the films I hope this is ok? Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 19:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I am thinking actually - I agree with you that maybe the deletion of the old film reels might be a good chance to revamp with some better looking public domain images. I am very pleased with my adpations of the country templates -makes the lists look more attractive, I think. As for icons 128px this is just about perfect - I have been putting them 120px in the templates anyway - the Thai template is a bit smaller than the others though -so it fits the contours of the page. I'll draw the list of missing icons now -it would be super if you could create one or two a day -after all we have until July 1 when it gets deleted. Plus I am sure there is some way we can come up with a cool main film reel. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 10:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

OK heres the missing European ones for starters (one or two we might have like slovakia but I'm not sure) ther's no need for icons on countries that redirect to the List of Eurpoean films and have small lists - only those which have a seperate article:

Belarus, Bosnia, Cyprus, East and West Germany, Luxembourg, Greenland, Macedonia, Malta, SLovakia, Slovenia ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 10:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Those are done. West Germany was the same flag as modern Germany. Let me know what others are needed. — WiseKwai 04:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Great work Wise - I bow my bald evil head down to you! Here are the others except Africa - Bolivia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru?, , Venezuela, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, Puerto Rico. Surpisingly we don't have the Ireland image also.

Remaining European ones are Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, Switzerland and the Ukraine and Yugoslavia.

Then rmeaining Asian ones which have there own lists are: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Georgia, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Saudi, Syria, Tajikistan, United Arab Emirates, Bhutan Bangladesh?, Kazakhstan, Krygzstan, Nepal and Uzbekistan. It might be a good idea also to create regional icons such as Europeanfilm.png with Europe in the icon - these would be used on the cinema articles to replace the film reel perhaps. Well done anyway ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 07:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi wise - just wondering if you got around to creating any more icons yet. I have been developing the Japanese and Hong Kong film lists today -they are grossly underdeveloped! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

THats fine -phew! Those lists are hard work -I can't focus on them too long. -if I could get even ten people to add one or two films to the lists a day they would be completed very quickly. There are like 300 odd film members. I need an army!!! Luckily there is you who maintains the Thai list and one or two helping on the others but no where near enough if you think of the scale of this site. All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 16:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Concert for BD Fair Use
You're welcome. All I really did was to add the "illustrate an educational article" bullet point. I am not sure how important that is. I was chasing down a bunch of fair use disputed warnings and to tell the truth, I didn't spend much time on it because you had already been there. Like you, I have some saved text for fair use rationales. You can see one example at Image:FlowersDirtCover.jpg if you are interested. &mdash; John Cardinal 13:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry&mdash;forgot the colon and you fixed it before I had the chance... &mdash; John Cardinal 13:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Ploy
Congrats Mr Wise!! Hey you want to give me a hand filling in some of the List of American films - its a big task but achievable and will be superb when finished. I wish a few people would get together at the film project as I consider them very important for the project See American films of 1945 and American films of 1982 with E.T!!!! I preferred to get them up and running and them complete them my task in the nesxt weeks will be to try to finish the US lists - with the tables people can see the use of them ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 18:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

HI wise. Oh yes this is why I tagged each one as under construction as I haven't had the time to sift through them yet. You will find many films that need taking out - particularly for later years. There will be many British films. I did begin doing each page fully like the early 40s but I got tired of the slow process - I wanted to get the pages up and running to give me something to work with. I have checked imdb bank of US films by year and it wasn't as huge as I thought -the lists should be able to be compiled realistically. I have high ambitions for the lists which shouold became an extremely useful source for film -maybe I should tell them all at the film project for people to chip in - even if a few people just added a few details to one or two films a day it would be of great help. It also gives me a chance to check articles and adjust them with categories etc and increase my knowledge of film!!! Hey what setting do you have your PC on? I have chanaged my wikipedia setting to the blue setting with the blue strip across the top - its like a whole new website and looks terrific ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 19:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you meet those actors? I wish we could get so many more images for the films -they really improve the article quality immensely. -but I guess I'm artistic and am attracted by colour. PLoy's a great looking article. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 19:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi yes I mentioned it to another user who I think has seen a consensus is needed. To be honest I don't really care -there is far more important things to be concerned with on here and life in general -the gold does look fine but I thought the silver might make it look a little more polished thats all. Hey have you seen what someone has done to John Wayne's filmography? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 20:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I know. Pretty great aren't they (ezcept the toxic yellow) -I'm thinking this set the example for how filmographies should be. These are far more professional looking rather than some scruffy haphazard lists you see in even major actor filmographies - and they provide information as well. ONe of our goals should be also to set a standard table format for filmographies. This is important in my view. Hey great work on those South-East Asian portals you are producing -stuff I would never have a clue was happening back here in England. Thats the beauty of the global network! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 20:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC).

Current events Southeast Asia
Hiya, I've been too busy with new baby (and other things) to devote much time to wiki'ing recently, but I'm slowly getting back to normal, so expect me to be contributing a little more again. Won't be as a active as I was previously, but will do what I can. Best. --Bwmodular 08:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Happy to Help

 * No worries... I've been into Southeast Asian and East Asian film for the past decade or so and also have formal education in cinema. So I'm glad to help expanding/revising articles in that realm. If there's anything that needs attention, please don't hesitate to let me know. I'd be happy to help. ask123 16:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Icons
Thats great Wise - I was surprised we didn;t have the Irish one but I have checked the country has only produced a small number of films most have been British. Today I finally found the effort to begin completing List of Argentine films:1970s which was a gaping hole. I can't concentrate on the US lists too long it gives me a headache!!! I've just been stubbing some German villages as a break! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 22:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:GimmeshelterDVDcover.jpg)
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Images
HI Wise. I have been getting consistent badgering for rationales on all my older film posters and screenshots. I have come up with a solution with several of the image tagging people - I have created Template:Filmrationale. Every time you upload an image you can just it and it will provide it automatically for you -I know you always write the rationale anyway but it is easier this way. Feel free to modify it. What do you think? I have also added a little to the Thai list - a handful of images highlighting the bigger films should be fine -I have been doing this to the other lists. I have also addapted the Americanfilmlist template and begun building it. Please please help if you have any spare time - first I need to put the films in the tables then fill in and complete at a later date ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 11:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes some people tend to do things backwards on wikipedia - often the least important things get done first!!! I hope it will be useful tool for the image police also to stop pestering everyone over film images -this way they can add it without telling everyone a million times they haven't given a full rationale. Hope you are well. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 12:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Emmett Watson: GA Candidate
Hi Wise, thanks for reviewing this article for GA status and commenting on it. I have made the changes you suggested regarding expanding the introduction and providing a reference for the section on Hemingway's suicide. I would very much appreciate it if you would review the changes I have made. Thanks! --DHLister | Talk 16:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Icons
Muy excelente amigo. Tu trabajo es brilliante. Good. Hey wise I've added an image to Rooster Cogburn and the character page I noticed you started. I am also 2/3 thhe way of altering the John Wayne filmo so the colour is silver rather than bright yellow - it looks great now. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 10:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

HI wise. A number of things I wanted to discuss. First I am considering proposing some new parameters for the info box film -these include art director, casting, genre, costume and possibly stunt coordination (the main directors) -the latter two though I don't consider as important. There are many people in film who feature prominently in the filming process but their biographies often don't get covered even when they are prominent figures in behind the scenes film making. One such figure off hand I can think of is Robert M.? Haas -an art director -check it out he performed many of the classic films you can think of of the 1930s and 1940s Maltese Falcon etc etc. Second. i have created the template:Filmbiorationale for use on deceased film bio articles. It is a major bonus when uploading images as I regularly do. I will create a general biorationale template also to cover all people who died between 1923 and present where a free alternativ eis not available.

Thirdly as the main film icon is about to expire I think its nearly time to discuss which new images can be created. For the main regional cinema templates e.g European cinema it would be a great if you could create regional icons with the continent maps like the country templates. Only 5 or so images would be needed I think. We would need Latin America, North America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Fourth - as I fill in the American lists one of my priorities now will be to try to complete the filmographies and the missing films of all the "iconic" actors/actresses -too many red links is not a good look for wikipedia. I started on Clark Gable yesterday and had cleaned up some work on the Joan Crawford films. The John Wayne films should also be complete. 13:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it looks OK (but I can see why it might not appeal to you) -it was a suggestion- but what alternative can you think of to replace the main film icon -it'll be left blank soon? You have to be kidding about the images -its ridiculous that people are even considering removing all images - prt of films in visual identifying the characters otherwise we are left with just pure text. If it is the case then over 100,000 articles including albums will be under attack. I sincerely hope this is not the case. If a full rationale is given i do't think there should be any objections. As for taking a break -much deserved -I am cutting down my contribution at present also. Hope you are well and not too tired of wikipedia its been good working and communicating with you. Thanks for all your hard work anyway All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 10:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Its a shame about the images. Even an image from 1923 is considered copywrighted? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 15:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you seen the Cinema of the UNited States page? No images at all!! Strangely not even a public domain image of Charlie Chaplin from 1915 is permitted. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 15:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Not to worry. Your probably right about the usage though unfortunately even though a major part of understanding film is inevitably visual. -its like discussing a painting with no picture!!. However I strongly hope that one image for each of the American film years will be permitted.

I've just seen your cinemas in Thailand and location articles -excellent work!!! Nice going -hopefully other countries would have similar quality lists. This year has gone dreadfully fast hasn't it - can you beleive its July already!!! Anyway I've now announced the US films to the project -one of two users have begun adding to the lists. now the pages are set up so hopefully others will follow. Did I also tell you about Template:Filmbioratiobale for deceased actors? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 15:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes I was wondering about those good looking copywrighted images on the Thailand page. If I was you I'd remove the De Niro one and leave just the scaramanga one -after all the island was named after the franchise so it clearly had a major impact on the country -one image really should be allowed as with the American lists. The John Wayne lists are excellent but strangely even though the commons has about 40 images of the film I tried to put two or three images in the Searcher article but one user dislikes them even though they identified the main characters so we are left with a bare article!!!! The link is Template:Filmbiorationale  I also created an identicial one Template:Biorationale for all dead people born after 1923!!! I hope they will help ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 16:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)