User talk:Wisepat

Stratford
Please STOP reverting. I will have another admin to review this if you provide more sources from USCIS/ICE/any new papers. I have no issues with your comment. but do prove your claim with credible sources. If USCIS is rejecting H1b's for everyone then it would def be a news. H1b rejection for some cases is very common and this university page does not need a special mention of this when stratford has been authorized under federal law. This is not a murthy blog. Thank you. Ssg2442 (talk) 13:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Will you please provide more info on this? I can dig from new papers or press releases on this college. I want to clarify few things on your below message which was sent to another Wikipedian.

''I have noticed that you have been removing my contribution to the "Issues with International students" on the Stratford University wiki page. I have quoted the sources from my information which are reputed and should be informed to the readers''.

What do you mean by reputed source? How does a law firm website/forum/blog can be used here? To be clear - any page on Wiki should be updated with sources but not on our personal experiences.

If a university has been unlawfully admitting international students like TVU, inform the reader with sources. If a university is not accredited by recognized agency then mention with proper source.

If an F1 student wants to study in stratford then he is eligible to do so. Why is Gov approving the OPTs and change of statuses from H4 to F1 and H1 to F1 on stratford? According to Law, any non immigrant can convert/study on F1 visa if a university is listed in SEVP. It is upto the student whether to study or not in for profit schools.

Any university is not responsible for the consequences related to the change of statuses. With that being said, Is there any news release from USCIS/ICE to prove your point? I will be happy to ask another wiki Admin to review them.

Thanks. Ssg2442 (talk) 16:07, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi
I am strong believer in Wikipedia and can understand your point.

The news and experiences the people had are genuine --> Yes. I agree. But a Wikipedia should never be used for individual's scenarios. A blogger and individual experiences are not the sources to mention in here. If its a news, then we need a source clearing stating Stratford name. Wiki has its standards and we should not misuse in using it.

''Rejections do happen due to individual case situations and that is dependent on the individual's senarios. But, if the reason is about the university and nothing about the student'' --- Right. This question should be asked to Gov not to blame on the university. Not to be forget that, rejections are also based on discretion of the officers. Thats why some officers are approving and some are rejecting. University does not have anything to do with this and we cant mention it in the university page unless there is a strong proof. (in Wiki terms - references/sources)

 the attorney of the university did respond and agreed with the point raised by USCIS - Yes. Again the issue here is the way the rules are being considered before and now. If a uni doesn't satisfy the higher edu act, then why are they approving F1 on for profit schools? Again - University is maintaining its rules and regulations within law. So no common man has an answer to it. The laws being considered now is different.

this is the reason I though a mention should be made so the students choosing this university will be aware of the issues stemming from the university. --- Yes, you can mention but we need a strong proof.

I felt that the students needs to know this risks (even remotely possible) before picking this university, and let them take their decision. - You can certainly help readers/students in different way but not through wiki unless this issue was reported or released by officials.

cheers. Ssg2442 (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hey I am not thinking that you are blaming the university. My point is to clarify that anything that we mention in Wiki needs to be properly sourced. This issue also seem to be more confused. So its more legal matter than something that belong to university.

I am representing facts that USCIS has responded in certain cases that the university's recognition as higher education institution as not admissible. The letter of USCIS with reference number is NOT sufficient evidence to mention in Wiki. Becoz this was given to an individual and not all petitions were being rejected. If every petition is being declined then it would have already been in the news or everyone would get an update on ICE website like students from UNVA/TVU did received. I'm done with this page. I will keep digging this issue and please let me know if you found any credible citations.

FYI - Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered.

Ssg2442 (talk) 19:58, 6 August 2013 (UTC)