User talk:Wishwynne

Unexplained deletions
Please do not delete references and referenced information from Wikipedia without explanation. Use the discussion pages to explain why you wish to delete such information. Thank you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I have on several occasions amended false information from my descendant Gabrielle Ray and believe it is my right to do so and protect her legacy.

I am also a volunteer of a theatre charity, known as The Music Hall of Great Britain and America and I praise their work, especially as they maintain my relatives resting place.

I find Wikipedia a wonderful site but I also find it very overwhelming and without help I cannot navigate as I would like to. I hope this message reached Steven Smith who I have been trying to contact for some time by email.

Vandalism?
I have reverted the edits you've made to the Gabrielle Ray article. Since you haven't used edit summaries or left a message on the discussion page of the article, I'm not sure why you are removing that particular content from the article. Your repeated deletion of this referenced material without explanation could be considered WP:Vandalism. Please explain why you wish to delete this material. It appears that you may have a conflict of interest in editing this article. Please see WP:COI. See also WP:Neutrality. If you have questions about editing Wikipedia, feel free to leave your question here or on my talk page. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Nuvola apps important.svg I see that you also removed information from the Nelly Power article without explanation. Please stop deleting page content or other materials from Wikipedia, or you will be blocked from editing.  Please discuss what you propose to do on the article discussion pages and build a consensus for the changes you wish to make.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

November 2009
Do not remove tags from articles, as you did at Lupino Lane. This may be considered vandalism. Please add WP:Reliable sources to assertions that you add to articles. See also WP:CITE. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Citations and verifiability
Hello Wishwynne. has asked me to have a look at your contributions and talk to you about the importance of citations. Wikipedia's policy is that all material inserted into articles must be verifiable by coming from reliable sources. Since Wikipedia's content is written by anonymous amateurs, the only way that readers can be reasonably assured that what they're reading is accurate is if the material is followed by a citation identifying the source from which the material was taken. Besides that, citing sources helps resolve content disputes between editors; if two editors disagree about what should be in an article, they can consult the source listed to help resolve that disagreement. I notice that you have been adding content to Wikipedia articles, which is great, but that you haven't been providing citations, which is less great. For future edits, please make a point of identifying where you're getting the information that you're adding. If you're not sure how to do so, I'd be happy to help. Steve Smith (talk) 17:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello again—the situation doesn't seem to have improved in the last three weeks. Could you explain your perspective on this?  I'm afraid that if this behaviour continued unabated, you will eventually be blocked as a disruptive account, which I really don't want to see happen since you seem to be operating in good faith. Steve Smith (talk) 19:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition, your edits seem almost all to be for the purpose of promoting The Music Hall Guild of Great Britain and America. If you are affiliated with that group, you should read Wikipedia's guidelines for contributing while under a conflict of interest. Steve Smith (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Deleting referenced information without explanation again
I have reverted your removal of referenced information from the Gabrielle Ray article, despite being asked repeatedly to use the talk page to discuss deletion of referenced information. Please stop deleting page content or other materials from Wikipedia, or you will be blocked from editing. Please discuss what you propose to do on the article discussion pages and build a consensus for the changes you wish to make. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC) I have on several occasions amended false information from my descendant Gabrielle Ray and believe it is my right to do so and protect her legacy. I am also a volunteer of a theatre charity, known as The Music Hall of Great Britain and America and I praise their work, especially as they maintain my relatives resting place. I find Wikipedia a wonderful site but I also find it very overwhelming and without help I cannot navigate as I would like to. I hope this message reached Steven Smith who I have been trying to contact for some time by email. I apologize for any inconvenience caused but I will not have my relative abused in this way.

Blocked indefinitely
I have blocked you indefinitely. Note that "indefinitely" does not mean the same thing as "permanently"; I would be happy to unblock you once you've shown a willingness to discuss your edits and change those parts of them that have been problematic. You can still edit your talk page (this one) even though you're blocked, so please respond here. If you feel that my block has been unfair, place on this page, and another administrator will review the situation. I look forward to engaging with you soon. Steve Smith (talk) 03:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I have on several occasions amended false information from my descendant Gabrielle Ray and believe it is my right to do so and protect her legacy. I am also a volunteer of a theatre charity, known as The Music Hall of Great Britain and America and I praise their work, especially as they maintain my relatives resting place. I find Wikipedia a wonderful site but I also find it very overwhelming and without help I cannot navigate as I would like to. I hope this message reached Steven Smith who I have been trying to contact for some time by email. I apologize for any inconvenience caused but I will not have my relative abused in this way. [Posted by Wishwynne on 6 December 2009]


 * Please explain what is incorrect in her bio and cite us to the references that prove what you assert about her. Please see WP:RS.  We would like to help you, and if you are correct, then changes can be made.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses which was much welcomed. You will see from what I have continually removed or amended on Gabrielle's entry is this constant mention and 'fascination' of her having spent her life in mental hospitals. I do not want to advertise on Wikipedia the true facts as the family want them to remain private but these facts are wrong and there are alot of obsessed admirers to this day that want to glorify in her being made mad, which I assure you she never was. All my other amendments on other wiki pages (including Nelly Power) are facts taken from birth, marriage and death records that belong to the theatre charity I mentioned who do a great deal of research and seeing that there are a lot of untruths being added to your site, I merely wanted to put things right. If you feel it would be best that I delete my account with wikipedia, then please say so as I will do so accordingly, but I will continue to monitor my ancestors page and if I have to take matters further, then I am afraid this I must do. I hope you will understand? Again I apologise for any inconvenience caused to your site, I assure you it was not intentional.

I await to hear from you further.

I have just rechecked my relative's page and it appears that you have chosen to deliberately oppose any of my requests to remove these damaging stains upon Gabrielle Ray, so I have no option now but to seek legal aid against you. [Posted by Wishwynne on 6 December 2009]


 * See, now that you've shown a willingness to communicate, which is what was lacking before, I was all ready to unblock you, but then you issued a legal threat in the last paragraph. While it is of course your entitlement to take legal action against whomever you wish (though, and I am not a lawyer, the Wikimedia Foundation is shielded from defamation lawsuits by s. 230 of the Communications Decency Act and the deceased do not generally have standing to due for defamation in any event), we have a policy (No legal threats) that says that if you choose to exercise your right to pursue legal action against the Wikimedia Foundation or any Wikipedia editor(s), you can't participate in Wikipedia while you do so.  So at this point, you have a choice: you can retract your legal threat, be unblocked, and participate—in a way that involves communication and the citation of reliable sources—in the development of Gabrielle Ray and other articles, or you can exercise your right to legal action and remain blocked.  Please let me know which option you prefer. Steve Smith (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * As well, I'm afraid that your attempts to e-mail me have not worked. If you would like to discuss anything by e-mail, I can be reached at sarcasticidealist@gmail.com. Steve Smith (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

At the risk of repeating myself, if you would like to make any changes to the Gabrielle Ray page, all you need to do is tell us where the correct information comes from. You cannot remove true information about her just because the family would rather not have it known. She is a person of historical interest, and all aspects of her life are fair topics for review and comment. You will have to show that the references used in the article are erroneous. Thank you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. My willingness not to communicate before now was because I did not know how to. I have mentioned that I have found wikipedia somewhat overwhelming, due to my age until a friend helped out. I did not know how else to contact you. In answer to your query, the correct information comes from our family and Gabrielle's records and estate. You said that I cannot remove true information about my family, but your are forgetting why I was removing and amending - to remove the 'untruths' added by people like Henry Jaremko and John Culme  who are using false information and damaging Gabs legacy instead of celebrating what good she did in her life. The information relating to Eric Loder and her depression is a personal private matter and should not be aired in public for people to judge her. As you have no intention of offering your support and have given me a choice, I have chosen to take legal advice. Our family have been successful in the past in protecting Gabs reputation and I have every confidence that we will do again. If you have an ounce of compassion in your hearts to support our cause, you would have done so before now. I need add that I did not make any threats, I merely said that I would take things further. My friend has copied this information and I would now be grateful if you could advise me as to how I delete my account/membership. Thank you. [Posted by Wishwynne on 7 December 2009]