User talk:Wittylama/Archive 4

Congratulations...
on your election as VP of Wikimedia Australia! Sorry I couldn't make the meeting. I was in SLOT Training. CHANLORD [T]/[C] 13:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Could you mention in podcast...
That the February edition of "tries to be global" Wikipedia_Loves_Art is starting? If you guys haven't run into it yet, it may be an interesting thing to go over. Here's a nice video about a past edition. The Wikipedia angle is the photos are freely licensed and imported to Commons. Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

m:File:A teachers primer to wikipedia.pdf
Its source and license, please?--Jusjih (talk) 03:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Backstage Pass: Powerhouse Museum
I'd love to come... but I can't signup as I'm not yet a member and the link you provided to cover this doesn't work as I'm not yet a member. Please add me on the "not yet members" list, I understand members have priority. Andrewa (talk) 05:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I can see the page perfectly well, but the "contact me" link at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Backstage_pass#Sign_Up_:-.29 just tells me ''No send address. You must be logged in and have a valid e-mail address in your preferences to send e-mail to other users'' - which of course I can't do. Andrewa (talk) 05:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

PS thanks for adding me! Andrewa (talk) 06:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Powerhouse
I'd love to attend; I just cannot guarantee my presence as yet. There's definitely a good chance of it, so can you please sign me up? Or would you prefer if I were to commit first? Either way is fine. Thanks for the notification. &mdash; Anonymous Dissident  Talk 06:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm interested too. I'm not a wikimedia AU member but happy to help if enough members don't volunteer. John Dalton (talk) 13:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm interested also. Don't own a laptop - and not much of an editor. Please put me on the list to contact if you don't get enough 'live' ones interested. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 10:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The 13th
Do you have an estimate on what time the event might end, or no? &mdash; Anonymous Dissident  Talk 10:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on negotiating this for us Witty One! :)
 * Please do expect me to participate on Friday the 13th.
 * Sorry for my belated RSVP, I've had more internet connection issues in a month than I would normally expect in a lifetime.
 * Have a good day mate.
 * Alastair Haines (talk) 00:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Something's come up....
Sorry mate, can't make tomorrow -RL has intervened... :( Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

sniffing around
G'day witty :-) - have just dropped by the au page about the backstage pass, and dropped a note in there - came here to sniff out a contribution or two, but haven't found any yet! Hope it went great regardless, and look forward to seeing / hearing a write up :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 05:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Ca I just drop in
on the latest Wikipedia Weekly chat? There's a question I want to ask you. Ottre 13:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Inherently notable places for the English Wikipedia. Hopefully you can get some roundtable discussion going. Ottre 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Meetup time again
Hi all, it's Meetup time again :-) - Hopefully you'll be up for meeting on April 22nd at about 6pm at The Paragon, a pub in Circular Quay. It'll be the usual round of drinks and chit chats, with no particular agenda, just some friendly faces, and a shared interest in Wiki stuff. If you've thought about coming along before, but haven't made it - we'd love to see you - it'll be a relaxed, social chin wag about all things wiki - bring anyone along you fancy, and I hope you can make it :-)

Please do sign up on the meetup page, and do also feel free to nominate an alternative time / date / location if for whatever reason the 21st doesn't work for you - we're an accommodating bunch :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 04:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Edith Clampton
I have nominated Edith Clampton, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Edith Clampton. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Paul_012 (talk) 08:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Meetup Time in Sydney :-)
Hi all,

It's meetup time again in Sydney - hopefully you'll be able to come along for friendly chat and drinks about all things wiki - topics will no doubt include the Chapter - perhaps with planning for the upcoming AGM, the general state of wiki-play, and the traditional candle lighting to encourage the mythical flagged-revisions extension to make its way on to the wiki. At this point, I usually mention that sitting wiki arbitrators are compelled to buy everyone a drink, but one of our number has taken a rather extreme route in avoiding this duty - if you have no idea what I'm talking about then you're probably busy writing and maintaining articles - but come along anyways on the 21st October, from 18.30 til late, to find out :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

For your viewing pleasure...
BJAODN lives. Also get your classic blues fix with Slow_Blind_Driveway Manning (talk) 12:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Many thanks! I'm very interested to see what becomes of the initiative & you can be sure I'll stay around on the page (in fact I'm afraid I just raised a number of queries on the glossary bit....). Well done for pushing this! Johnbod (talk) 01:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Now that's one very cool barnstar. Thank you! I'll stick around to help out as well – I've just been a bit busy the last week. --UncleDouggie (talk) 22:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I thanked you on my talk; thanks again. However, you are the one who needs a heavy-duty barnstar for your tremendous initiatives in the WP:GLAM area. Johnuniq (talk) 01:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Bad link on your blog
It's minor but the GLAM folk may want to see: Your blog has a link in the text "There remains significant concern", and that link needs to be fixed. Johnuniq (talk) 01:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * fixed. thanks. Witty Lama 11:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Many Thanks for your work on GLAM & Wikipedia.
I'm looking forward to checking out the work from GLAM-WIKI http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/GLAM For a while now, I've been interested in the possibilities of Wikipedia in the care of cultural heritage. You might like to check out this project that I'm involved with:

Wikipedia Saves Public Art! Kind regards, --Richard McCoy (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

GLAM
I've made my first edits, as requested. There are some more I need to mull over. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Just checking
Are you aware of Wikimedia best practices w cultural institutions? Smallbones (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Culture24
Hi, i have seen your request at DeadLinkBOT (its not my bot). There are also about 100 links on 35 other wikimedia projects then en.wikipedia (de,fr,pt,es,...). I could try to fix the links at these other projects. While checking your rewrite instructions i noticed that the redirect is double (url)encoded. %25 is the encoded form of character '%', '%26' of the character '&'. Althouth this link works, i think your intention was redirecting to http://www.culture24.org.uk/history+%26+heritage/war+%26+conflict/world+war+two/art25952 (%2526 -> %26)
 * e.g. http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/exh_gfx_en/ART25952.html redirects to http://www.culture24.org.uk/history+%2526+heritage/war+%2526+conflict/world+war+two/art25952

Could you please ask the webmaster which url should be used for the new link? Redirect or my suggestion? Merlissimo 03:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm note completely sure what you mean, but I will ask :-) Witty Lama 13:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Any response from the webmaster? Merlissimo 13:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have asked them to contact you and was talking to them a couple of days ago. However, it's currently the weekend and also leading up to Christmas. Don't worry, they're very keen on working with us so they'll be in touch with you as soon as they can I'm sure. Witty Lama 13:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello, it's Rosie from Culture24. This is a really interesting thing which we hadn't noticed before - thanks for asking about it! We've passed the query along to our developers and are waiting for a response from them - will let you know as soon as we hear anything. Thanks again, guys, and have a lovely Christmas! RosieClarke (talk) 14:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Because there was no response since more than four month i updated the links according to my suggestion Merlissimo 12:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Dictionary of Sydney and attribution
The best person to ask about this issue is. I would like to bring her into the conversation, if you don't mind. The issue of how to attribute imported articles is actually fairly complicated. Awadewit (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Sydney artists' camps
I meant that in order for articles to be rated B class or GA, you need to indicate where the material in each paragraph come from, not just rely on a generalised bibliography. In an article of this quality, Template:Harvard citation no brackets might be useful.--Grahame (talk) 23:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Kogarah Golf Club


The article Kogarah Golf Club has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Unloved article about an unnotable golf course. Created in 2005 with barely any substantial edits since, and while this is not a reason to delete in itself it helps, together with an unsuccessful search for sources, demonstrate its' unnotability.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Sydney meetup
It's been a while since the wiki folk of Sydney had the chance to meetup - and there's quite a lot going on. If you've never been to a meetup before, you're especially welcome, and if you're an old hand, then please do make an effort to touch base :-) You can sign up here, or drop a note on my talk page if you have any questions or anything - hope to see you there! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank You for presenting GLAM-WIKI for us in WP:MBL12--naveenpf (talk) 02:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

BM residency
I would certainly be interested in the BM tour. I would add your notice to the Visual arts, Archaeology & Greece & Rome projects - most Wikipedians in the London area don't follow the London project or go to the meetups, but there are lots. Johnbod (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. I work on WP:G&S.  The British Museum has one of the largest Gilbert and Sullivan and W. S. Gilbert collections in the world.  We have over 400 articles in the G&S project.  If you come across Gilbert and Sullivan materials in the museum and want to collaborate on starting or expanding any G&S-related articles, please let me know.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Isn't this mostly in the British Library? Scores etc would be. Johnbod (talk) 14:26, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

If the museum's collection of Islamic art (is) ... one of the largest of its kind in the world (cf. British Museum), it would be nice to have some of them in the Category:Middle Eastern objects in the British Museum and in the Category:Islamic art. I'm sure the BM has objects comparable with the Aleppo-Zimmer or the Mshatta facade in the Museum für Islamische Kunst (Berlin). Best, --ThT (talk) 06:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll be trying to put together a list of "missing BM articles" (redlinks) and islamic art items should probably feature in that. Witty Lama 16:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Museums and WP
I just started a subproject on museums that you may be interested in. :-)

WikiProject Museums/Working with museums

If you can get in touch with a curators' group at BM you might see if they'd be interested in contributing directly on topics they know. –SJ + 20:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Isn't this the same as WP:GLAM? Johnbod (talk) 20:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * SJ, As Johnbod suggested, what would you think of making your page part of WP:GLAM - I would suggest a subpage prominently linked off the main page and appropriately differentiated. I think the WikiProject's scope is all on-wiki stuff whereas this page is more about relationships which is the purpose of WP:GLAM. Witty Lama 13:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Beta
I'm using beta (finally) on your advice. I can't find the hidden comment, redirect, and other editing functions use in the "old" wikipedia. Or is that intentional? cheers --Merbabu (talk) 11:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
That does sound like the best job in the world; I'm envious. I read about it via signpost, and wanted to say, "well done" - 'coz I'm sure I will think of something I can ask you to dig out, so this is really a callous attempt to get on your good side :-) Seriously - a job made in heaven. W00t.  Chzz  ►  00:15, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Just fyi - I dropped User:Neddyseagoon a note on this - you will see from his page that he is a "glam" who used to work at the BM, the only such person I am aware of on WP. Johnbod (talk) 14:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks johnbod! Witty Lama 01:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

BM images on Wiki
Hello Witty lama. Congratulations with your groundbreaking BM appointment. User:Raymond suggested that I contact you with a question directly related to your involvement with BM. I have requested and received from BM a few images of ancient Indian paintings, which are supposed to be in public domain due to their age. One of them I have already uploaded and used in Themes in Avatar and another editor used it in Rama. There seems to be a whole section of BM images on Commons here. However, I would still like to ask you what the Wikipedia and BM policies in regard to uploading and using their images on Wiki are, just to be on the safe side. Many thanks. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 11:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I second this. There are various images such as File:Roman writing tablet 02.jpg which are of poor quality, having been taken at funny angles in bad light. Even my own attempts at pictures are not really up to scratch, such as File:Cuneiform tablet recording observation of Halley's Comet.JPG are not very good, and we are desperate for good quality images of various artifacts. The recent BBC radio documenty, "A History of the World in 100 objects" has highlighted the gaps in Wikipedia images. I suspect the British Museum has lots of good quality images in its archives, but has never got around to releasing them into the public domain. Can you find out more about whether the BM can release more and better images? --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 12:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not a case of "never got round to"! Big museums get significant revenues from their picture libraries, but can sometimes be persuaded to release low-res images to Commons/PD, as the V&A have.  I'm sure we all wish Witty Lama luck in this. Johnbod (talk) 12:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Cinosaur and Gavin, Johnbod is correct. The BM has made a management decision in the copyright of their images of objects. As you can see here for example, the public can obtain 2,500 pixelwide images of their objects for free, but only for non-commercial purposes. As a Wikipedian I know exactly what the implications of this are, but comparing this to other Museums you must admit that this is pretty good. You can rest-assured that I have raised the issue with the BM of obtaining their own photography to illustrate Wikipedia articles about their own objects. However, you can also understand that for them to release their own images (and therefore change their copyright policy) is no small task and must be approved by a number of people. It's not so much about the effort involved in releasing one photograph, it's more the fact of the precedent it sets. So, in summary, I'm working on it but no promises.
 * I'd also like to point out that, whilst getting the BM's photography for use in WP is an interesting aspect of potential BM-WP relations, I am very keen to make sure we build other planks to the relationship that are about sharing of expertise and improving the [text] content of articles. This is slower and less visually impactful, but will build a much longer-term relationship than a one-off donation of multimedia. So, you see why, although I'm definitely advocating for Wikimedia access to their images, it is not the primary goal of my time at the BM. Sincerely, Witty Lama 04:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your informative answer, Witty Lama. I appreciate and fully support your long-term approach to dealing with BM, as opposed to the "grab and run" mentality often seen elsewhere. Your relationship-oriented strategy is definitely much more wholesome, respectful, honest, and ultimately fruitful. As for BM images, however, going by the letter of their Terms and conditions, looks like that even their low-resolution images are unsuitable for Wikipedia due to the stipulation that their use is limited to non-commercial websites. Or are they? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 04:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding Cinosaur. And yes, as it currently stands, none of the BM's own photographs are available for use on Wikipedia. The only exception to this would be where Wikimedia invokes the Bridgeman v. Corel precedent to say that scans of 2D works of art are not copyrightable to the scanning institution (as opposed to their own photographs of objects. So, whilst photographs of Cuneiform tablets (as mentioned above) are definitely the BM's copyright, Wikipedia policy and BM policy on the copyright status of scans of artworks does differ. For Example: here's the same thing at Commons (claiming Public Domain) and at the BM catalog (claiming all-rights-reserved). You'll understand that I'm not going to make a call on who's right in this kind of situation other than to say that I understand the reasoning behind both claims and that I've made my opinion on the legal niceties of this issue very clear elsewhere. Witty Lama 02:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Then could I suggest a workable alternative to the British Museum giving away its image collection. Would it not be possible for the museum to provide a comprehensive set of thumbnail images? It seems to me that this would be of benefit both parties: Wikipedia gets images to illustate various articles, while the museum gets publicity for its objects and spinoff revenue for its image rights from readers seeking better quality versions of the thumbnails. Could you place an enquiry with the museum? --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 15:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for today
I came up with a plan in today's session with curators. and I have chosen this message as my very first foray into WP. I hope I'm doing it right! --Erikamuse (talk) 07:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Note from Wikibooks
Thanks for letting us know about your tenure at the British Museum. My head spins with possibilities, most of which probably involve too much man power to actually pull off.

I think a book about learning ancient history by a guided tour of the museum would be nice addition to wikijunior. While not a traditional textbook, I know trips to the Museum were an important part of my education and it would be nice if we could emulate that experience for children that live in places in the world that do not have such amazing museums.

Unfortunately my personal expertise is mathematics, and I am not sure what in the museums offerings might be of use to my personal projects. But if come across information about historical mathematical articles they may contain. Cuneiform tablets from Babylonian times, any Egyptian papyrus, Greek writings, I would happily try my hand at weaving an introduction to mathematical history. Hopefully one that includes in its references both standard set of texts one usually encounters on the subject, together with the specific examples, context, and other information the museum provides. So if you come in contact with an expert who has interest in historical mathematical subjects, please put me in touch.

That being said I am sure that our more mainstream texts on world history and civilization need more work and are more important, any help you could provide to editors there (if any editors of these texts currently exist) would be a higher priority. Unfortunately I feel this project is perhaps much less noticed, and has too few editors, making it difficult for us to take advantage of the opportunity. So if you could get the word out about the wikimedia projects beyond wikipedia. Change your title to "Wikimedian in residence", something of this sort... because sometimes I feel like the Horton's Who's calling out "We are here!", but still not being heard. Wikibooks could really use a "Yopp". Thenub314 (talk) 13:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have just read the comments above about copyright, and I think I understand. My mention of Cuneiform tablets was just a bit of a coincidence. I agree that multimedia is nice, but content is better.  Best of luck in your new post. Thenub314 (talk) 13:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess one crucial question is whether the BM is willing to donate any of their existing content (written or spoken texts, photographs or illustrations, etc.) under a suitable license for inclusion in wiki projects? Some of their content might already be under a suitable license for various reasons. It would be interesting to find this kind of content. --Martin Kraus (talk) 23:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Most certainly I'll be looking into that - in the context to textual stuff for Wikipedia and/or Wikibooks and/or WikiSource, and multimedia stuff for Commons. However, as you will understand, that kind of conversation will be happening behind the scenes whilst I'm there. I can't promise any outcome and I don't want to jeopardize the (potential) British Museum-Wikimedia relationship by overemphasising our desire to "have their stuff". So - trust that I'll be trying to do that, but in the mean time I think we should come up with projects where we create content so they can see the value of adding theirs to the collection! :-) Witty Lama 00:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Possibly excessively specific request
In a book I have, there's a photograph showing a late Celtic or Romano-Celtic bronze hanging bowl found in Lullingstone, Kent (now in the British Museum), with applied decoration in the form of a double-headed axe. I think this is a very interesting cultural artefact, but the only photo I've seen is black-and-white, and doesn't show all the details of the double-headed axe decoration too well. When I put "Lullingstone" into the British Museum search engine, it doesn't turn up anything relevant. It would be greatly appreciated if you could turn up anything on this -- any additional info in any form would be appreciated, but of course it would also be nice to have a photo (which wouldn't have to be very large in pixel size, as long as the relevant details were shown somewhat clearly). Thanks for anything... AnonMoos (talk) 22:22, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do! I don't suppose there's an official title of the object or some kind of serial/registration number? Witty Lama 22:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! None is given in the book which has the black-and-white photo (Art of the Celts by Lloyd and Jennifer Laing, ISBN 0-500-20256-7), sorry. AnonMoos (talk) 02:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I was looking at Celting hanging bowls recently, and there are good pictures of the Lullingstone bowl in A Corpus of Late Celtic Hanging-Bowls with an Account of the Bowls found in Scandinavia by Rupert Bruce-Mitford and Sheila Raven (OUP, 2005) [ISBN 019813410X], which is available as Limited Preview on Google Books -- see Colour Plate 5 and Figs.165-171 (fig.169 on page 177 shows the double-headed axe nicely). The British Museum page on the Lullingstone Hanging Bowl (with a colour photo) is here. BabelStone (talk) 11:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * BabelStone - you beat me by just a couple of hours! AnonMoos, I've been in contact with the relevant curator at the British Museum (Jody Joy) and he also suggest the same object as BabelStone has linked to is probably the one that you're after: item number 1967,1004.1 here. Don't hesitate if you need any further info. All the best, Witty Lama 14:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks all (though the photographs are rotated to place the axes at the sides). I was having difficulty navigating the British Museum website with the info I had, and the search form there wasn't really helping... AnonMoos (talk) 15:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure whether it's really generally notable enough to have a separate article devoted to it alone, and I don't have the broad art-historical or Celtic archaeological knowledge which would enable me to place it in the proper context. I'm mainly interested in the internal geometry of the double-axe decoration, and how its symbolism might strike viewers (which may be completely different from the originally-intended symbolism, something about which probably very little can be known now).  I was actually idly contemplating possibly making a cleaned up SVG image version of the double-axe decoration (something which I'm more qualified to do than to write up an article about the bowl as a whole...). AnonMoos (talk) 16:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you do make an image of the double axe decoration you could always add it to the Hanging bowl article. BabelStone (talk) 23:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The graph project
Hey there - I've been following your Wikipedia Weekly blog for some time now. I wanted to show you thegraph.org, which was presented at a number of Wikipedia-related conferences this year (it was launched by a bunch of Wikipedians late last year). Maybe this will interest you... --Vptes1 (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Powerhouse-related 5x expansion - Welcome Nugget
Just got an idea for a partnership-related thingy. Is there someone to approach at the PHM for a copyright release for an image of the Welcome Nugget (see here). I am doing a 5x expansion and an illustration would help alot for a DYK. This a good example of collaboration? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Believe me, I've tried. The PHM is just not going to release the copyright to their own images any time soon. They're very good about making public domain images in their collection available (and in high res. too) but I've never been able to get any headway on access to their own photos. Witty Lama 08:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is an image of a 120 year old sculpture PD then? Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No. According to Bridgeman v. Corel a photograph of a public domain work is itself only public domain if the original is a 2dimensional work and your photograph is a "faithful reproduction". So, if the work in question is 3D (i.e. a sculpture) then any photograph of it is the full copyright of the photographer. Sorry. Witty Lama 09:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Numerus Fixus for British Museum Tour
Argh! I didn't realize there was a numeric limit. I should have signed up earlier. %-/

Hmmm, what's the exact number of people allowed to go? I was so looking forward to this. Oh well, maybe I can organize a swap with one or two of the non-confirmed people who can't make it, you never know. :-)

Otherwise I'll just have to try again next time! Have fun!

--Kim Bruning (talk) 21:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)