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Category:Camelot Software Planning games
Please note that Category:Camelot Software Planning games includes games made by Sonic! Software Planning, since it is a predecessor of Camelot. Accordingly, those games do properly belong in the Camelot category. —C.Fred (talk) 04:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Stating that Sonic! Software Planning is the predecessor of Camelot Software Planning is incorrect. Sonic was founded in 1991 with an investment from Sega for the purpose of developing the Shining franchise; Camelot was founded in 1994 to develop games for the PlayStation. The two companies were created at different times for different purposes by different people. The common thread is that the two companies' presidents are brothers, and Camelot assisted Sonic with Shining Wisdom and Shining the Holy Ark. Their library of games are separate, as Sonic was developing games before Camelot existed as an entity and Sonic's library does not become Camelot's library simply because Sega closed Sonic and Sonic's president moved to Camelot. Wizzardesse (talk) 04:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I would like to continue this discussion and possibly allow for the creation of a Sonic! Software Planning article that does not redirect to Camelot Software Planning. A discussion on Camelot's talk page has been going on. Stating that Sonic is Camelot's predecessor, and therefore we must consider all of Sonic's games to be Camelot's games, is a dangerous statement to make because it is taking a corporation's claim at face value and stating that therefore we cannot write about Sonic as a distinct studio with its own history, staff, and library of games.
 * Camelot makes misleading statements on their own website (documented in the Camelot talk page) which confuses the matter because they appear to want people to believe that they personally created the Shining series and all of its entries up to Shining Force III.
 * Before discussing the creation of a Sonic! Software Planning page, however, I noticed that among my edits that you reverted was one for the Shining and the Darkness page. Even if we take at face value that Sonic's games are Camelot's games, and therefore games developed by Sonic must be included in Camelot's library, we cannot allow Shining and the Darkness to be included as a Camelot game because it was not developed by Sonic. Its development and release predate the founding of Sonic. To further include Shining and the Darkness in Camelot's library would be extending Camelot's claims beyond a company they consider a predecessor (Sonic), to Climax Entertainment: the sole developer of Shining and the Darkness. Wizzardesse (talk) 00:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Camelot's talk page is the place for that discussion about the content. If there's consensus among editors there, the category definition can change. As it is, I'm going by how the category has been set up. —C.Fred (talk) 01:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)