User talk:Wmhanks

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Speedy deletion nomination of Wyatt Hanks, Judge, Texian Patriot


A tag has been placed on Wyatt Hanks, Judge, Texian Patriot requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Wyatt Hanks
You said "all I see at the end of the question are a series of links to something else". Did you actually follow any of those links and in particular ones labelled "talk"? Surely if you looked at any user talk page, it would give you a clue as to how Wikipedians communicate. In my case a message on user talk:RHaworth would have produced a response more quickly than sending three copies of an e-mail all of which did land in the same inbox. Incidentally, how did my name come to your attention - have we interacted before?

Before you do anything with Wyatt Hanks, please go to Thorne Webb Dreyer and do the references properly using &lt;ref> tags and the bibliography properly using a bulleted list and clothe those horrible naked URIs thus. Indeed if you want to do it properly you will use the cite web template.

As to Wyatt Hanks, I have restored the article to User:Wmhanks/Wyatt Hanks. Given the very clear e-mail from TSHA, copyright should not be a problem. Re-forward the e-mail to permissions-en&hellip; with a link to the draft and a request that an OTRS ticket number be applied to its talk page. I have put a couple of suggestions as HTML comments within the draft. Other improvements are as for Thorne Webb Dreyer and provide a few more external links with evidence of notability. When the article is ready, the title will be simply Wyatt Hanks. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Having actually bothered to read your e-mail, I assume you found me via Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Thorne Webb Dreyer
Your "should not be deleted" message at talk:Thorne Webb Dreyer was masked by a redirect but in any case it was pointless - why fuss over the deletion of a redirect? Have you actually registered where your text now is? But why request userfication? No one was proposing deletion and leaving it in the (article) namespace might have encouraged others to help you improve the article - Wikipedia is a collaborative project you know. Did you not notice that two people apart from me have already done minor edits? And in particular you should note who is almost certainly the man himself! &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Contact
I was busy with another project and only now received your message. I would like to thank you sincerely for your help and suggestions. And, I apologize for the duplicate messages.

You had some questions about my attempts to contact you. Yes, I did explore the links that I found but I have yet to find a way to communicate with you on your talk page (or anyone else's for that matter). There seems to be no link or field for a message to you there. I don't dispute that there is one, just that I haven't as yet been able to recognize it. If you can show me how to do that, I will be happy to do so. This email form is the only way that I can see to communicate. As to how I found you, I followed the links on the article deletion page, saw your name, and, being unable to see a way to communicate with you otherwise I followed the links to your webpage and emailed you with the email address from there.

I am sincere about learning the Wikipedia conventions but, with all due respect the interface is unique to Wikipedia and just a tad bit mysterious. For example unlike most conventions on the web, many of the links do not reveal themselves as links until one mouses over them. I'm not being critical and I do want to learn, but my point is that there is a lot to learn and I'm doing the best I can. I think the code background that you have as well as a good deal of experience makes this look a lot easier than it does to a newcomer.

I will follow your advice about finishing the "Thorne Webb Dreyer" article before getting back to "Wyatt Hanks". I am currently making the changes you suggest. I will be working first to renumber the references so they are in sequence with the order they appear in the body of the article. I will then put in the ref markup form to make them link to each reference. I do plan to convert into lists those sections that need it.

By the way, my family came to America (Jamestown) in 1633 from Malmsbury so it's a pleasure to meet someone from the United Kingdom. I have a great interest in the history of England, particularly the period around the first millennium.

Feel free to offer your suggestions about how to improve my contributions. I have considerable experience in writing having worked professionally in that field for over forty years. But writing for print, film and television does not entail the same level of knowledge of code and markup.

Thank you again for your help, Mike. 2011 October 19, 01:07 (GMT)


 * As Victor Meldrew would say, I don't believe it. Firstly I pointed you to (talk) links above and secondly, since you have been to my user page, surely you saw a link at the top of the page saying Discussion. I hope you have now found how to get to user talk pages. "I followed the links on the article deletion page" - which page would that be? Try providing an explicit Wikilink. The interface is not unique to Wikipedia - it is widely used. But even if it were unique, given that Wikipedia is now the fifth most popular website it would have every right to have a unique interface. "Many of the links do not reveal themselves until one mouses over them" - I disagree - please give me some explicit examples of such links.


 * The references in User:Wmhanks/Thorne Webb Dreyer do not need renumbering - the mediawiki software provides visible numbers automatically. The numbers you are currently using are fine for conversion into into ref names which are invisible in the rendered text. Please study this edit very carefully and do the remaining refs in the same style. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for help on "Thorne Webb Dreyer"
I appreciate your taking the time to provide some example of the reference and list forms for the article: "Thorne Webb Dreyer". Also your comment about it being unnecessary to renumber the reference list was something I didn't know and will save a good deal of work. I'm not sure I fully understand how that works yet, for example is the number sequence established in the master list of references and then one simply refers to that and inserts the appropriate number in the appropriate place in the body of the text?

The difficulty I was having in using the "Talk" page was that I didn't know that "New Section" was the way to enter a "new comment" or "new question" on the Talk page. "New Section" seemed somehow too major a revision of your page to use in order to simply talk. Obviously I figured it out. Do you still think the "Thorne Webb Dreyer" article should go back out to public view and editing? My concerns and the reasons I inquired about pulling it back to the user edit page in the first place was that it might be taken down (as my other article, "Wyatt Hanks" was which required much time on my part and the part of volunteers to restore), or because I was not able to get all the formatting done in some specific period of time or that someone would come in and make major changes before I was even able to finish it. These may not be realistic concerns but, not being familiar with Wikipedian customs, I just don't know. Thanks for your time, wmhanks (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Good, you have made your first use of a user talk page. Two things: most editors like to keep discussion threads in one place. I am watching this page, if you had placed your message here, I would have seen it and responded. But more importantly, when are you going to get into the habit of creating wikilinks?
 * Reference numbers: once and (hopefully) for all, reference numbers are generated by the MediaWiki software - forget about them. This is hypertext: references are links not numbers. As at this state, the references are, I believe, tidy. Two have been commented out since they appear to be unused. See also this edit for an alternative way of doing refs. If you add any more references, please use meaningful names in  tags rather than attempting to use numbers.
 * Comments re user talk noted. In fact I rarely use "New section" because it forces the edit summary to be the same as the section title. I just edit the whole page.
 * TWD ready for publication? Given the number of others who have now edited it, it is overdue for publication! But I suggest that before you move it you must make a start on addressing the dead end tag, ie. start to create Wikilinks. So that it begins to look like a Wikipedia article rather than a word document that you have dumped here. (That is rather cruel, it is already far better than the worst cases of dumped essays that I have seen.) &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikilinks??
Another "I don't believe it" moment! Please study this edit very carefully. You have added lots of links to other Wikipedia articles but you have used external link format instead of wiki link format. Please read Help:Link and then convert all the other links to wikilinks. Look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Space City (newspaper). At the bottom you will see a link to the TWD bio - you only get that if you create wikilinks.

See also this edit. uplog.php is now working. It is hosted on a free server and it is worth every penny I pay for it. See this log of its up time - I am on Box 16. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Inks.LWC (talk) 07:15, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Unable to convert links per your example
I am at a complete loss. I tried again using the insert link button at the upper margin of the edit page where the bold and italic buttons are but it does the same as before. When the insert link window comes up and I paste in the URL, and then If I select Wiki link instead of external link it says "page does not exist". If I select the external page button it shows a successful link.

I examined the links you converted in the first paragraph of User:Wmhanks/Thorne Webb Dreyer in the edit mode and all I see are two brackets enclosing the linked word. I do not see the URL of the link anywhere. Yet when I hover over the linked word in the read mode it displays the URL down at the bottom of the window as usual. I don't know where it's getting the URL.

I have no programming experience whatsoever. The last time I experienced this level of frustration and complete helplessness was back in the 80s when I was trying to learn MSDOS. I may have to try to find someone with programming experience to get this job done. It is not my field. wmhanks (talk) 05:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the explanation - I needed it because to make life simple (for me) - I have turned off the edit toolbar and create links by hand. I assume you have picked up Inks.LWC's message. You were doing too much - if you are using the state where it asks for "Target page or URL", then note that "Target page" means something different from URL. "Don't know where it's getting the URL" - to put it simply, it gets it because you have used &hellip; as the link format instead of [&hellip;] . The amount of processing that is done to bring a single Wikipedia page to your screen is mind boggling. Among that processing is the conversion of, for example,  into http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malmesbury_Common&action=edit&redlink=1 But you are inconsistent: you express no surprise that the software converts   into Rag Radio so why be puzzled if it also does a conversion for internal links - the software knows that it is serving pages for en.wikipedia.org! It does not need you to tell it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:41, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Thorne webb dreyer.jpg
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License tagging for File:Dreyer and Kampus Kop, The Rag.jpg
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Wikilinks???
You said "I believe I have got the Wikilinks concepts mastered". This edit says "not yet mastered". &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I meant Thorne Webb Dreyer :^D

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Proposed deletion of The Rag Blog


The article The Rag Blog has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * '''WP:NOTABILITY - Not notable

WP:SPIP - Self Promotion WP:COI'''

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. PeterWesco (talk) 02:20, 16 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, you recently removed the proposed deletion tag from the article, but you did not provide any rationale. Please either restore the tag, or provide a reason on the talk page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:02, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Dreyer mic pogue.jpg
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