User talk:Wmwmurray

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Again, welcome! Doug Weller talk 10:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

August 2019
Hello, I'm ElKevbo. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ElKevbo (talk) 03:13, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Bastyr University, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 10:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Important Notice
Doug Weller talk 10:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine (August 30)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by John from Idegon was:

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John from Idegon (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine. Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 21:01, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia articles must be written in our own words, not copy-pasted from the source.

On a related not, I'm concerned that Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine would be a duplicate of Bastyr University. How do you envision these articles co-existing, since they seem to cover the same topic? –dlthewave ☎ 04:11, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine (August 31)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by John from Idegon was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "db-self" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
 * If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Bastyr_College_of_Naturopathic_Medicine Articles for creation help desk], on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_from_Idegon&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Bastyr_College_of_Naturopathic_Medicine reviewer's talk page] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

John from Idegon (talk) 04:34, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine. Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 04:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Your email reads as though it might be a threat, although a pretty poor one
No Threat -- Only Pointing out Conflict of Interest and Defamation Potential Issues that need Legal Review. Are you a member of the AMA or have you taken money from an AMA Member?

You wrote "The US Government of which I have worked for for many many years in the capacity as a bio-medical engineering contractor would like to see any medical profession credentials/education that would give you legal professional standing in medicine to remove information and links to the National Institute of Health, Mayo Clinic, Licensed Professionals on WebMD, and others that I added to the page on Bastyr University. NIH is peer reviewed medical science from the second largest research institute on medicine in the world.   Mayo Clinic is in many surveys the best teaching hospital in the world.  WebMD is in many surveys the best website for layman's peer reviewed medical information in the world."

How am I expected to take this seriously? The US Government really wants me to contact them? No editor needs "legal professional standing" to edit any article. You don't appear to be interested in finding out about our policies and guidielines, which shows in your draft which is nowhere near what we expect for an article. Doug Weller talk 08:16, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

^^You and others have Deliberately Filled the Bastyr University article with Links that are of a very Defamatory and Un-professional tone, from organizations such as "Quack Watch" which is run by a "Retired Psychiatrist" -- I would like to point out that "Psychiatry" as a profession has no scientific tests to test for mental illness -- There is no blood test that "Psychiatry" uses in diagnosing someone with any Disease. The Ft. Hood Mass Shooter was even a "Psychiatrist" who prior to the shootings "Diagnosed" hundreds of Soldiers out of VA Benefits, GI Bill Benefits, and Civilian Employment Illegally. "Psychiatric Diagnosis" is not considered medical FACT in civilian legal proceedings until a Judge and Jury make this legal determination.

PERMANENT INJUNCTION ORDER AGAINST AMA (Regarding Defamation of Chiropractic and Naturopathic Practice) Susan Getzendanner JAMA. 1988;259(1):81-82. doi:10.1001/jama.1988.03720010059044 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/370078

For the Bastyr article, I would recommend a review board that included retired PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS (DO, MD), CHIROPRACTORS, NURSE PRACTITIONERS, PA's, NATUROPATHS and others Related to Primary Care


 * As I said, you haven't yet begun to understand how we work. It's pointless making such requests, that's not how we work. Doug Weller  talk 19:18, 31 August 2019 (UTC)


 * If there is a court injunction that is somehow binding on Wikipedia itself, that should be communicated to the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, using the appropriate address listed here. The same goes for any content alleged to be libelous(see WP:LIBEL). Wikipedia does not have 'review boards' of professionals for articles; nor is Wikipedia for giving medical advice. 331dot (talk) 19:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I have notified your legal department, and bastyr's legal department of the issues. I am disputing that this page has a neutral point of view. as I have personally helped train more than 6 residents in MD, and DO programs, and issues like you cite here are common to every AMA residency program I have participated in. Yes I have nearly died or died and been brought back to life so many times doing this type of work I cannot recall. The thing I would tell you is very few of these people including those you mention at Bastyr have done anything that meet's any definition of "Quack"

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine (August 31)
 Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Bastyr_College_of_Naturopathic_Medicine Articles for creation help desk] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by John from Idegon was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

John from Idegon (talk) 08:51, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine
Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. –dlthewave ☎ 18:35, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

September 2019
You have been blocked temporarily from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:19, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You must unambiguously and irrevocably withdraw the legal threats you made at the Teahouse in order to continue editing Wikipedia. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:21, 1 September 2019 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, you made a legal threat intended to intimidate and chill other Wikipedia editors. Perhaps another administrator will disagree with me. As the blocking administrator, I will leave it to another administrator to review the block.


 * You are entirely free to pursue your legal threats and/or legal action off-Wikipedia. But you cannot edit Wikipedia, in my judgment, while your threats here stand. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Based on this diff (I have notified your legal department... and comments about an Existing Legal Injunction), I have revoked talk page access per WP:NLT. Hopefully you're able to resolve whatever is going on with WMF legal. Regards, ST47 (talk) 04:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

 You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then submit a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)