User talk:WolfStonerRocker/Archive N

Backtracks
Hi, I don't know what else you have on your plate at the moment, but there's not going to be any review of my edit. Discogs and setlist are not reliable sources as they have zero editorial oversight and are created by anonymous members of the public with no verification procedure at all. They are never allowed on Wikipedia. The overlinking you restored was excessive. Well known cities, countries etc are not linked, and there is no repetition of wikilinks within the same section of an article. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough point I suppose, I'll ponder my resource material a bit harder then...Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 22:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Clutch edits
see the issue here is you're editing their entire catalog without adding any type of citation. With their self titled album every genre listed is in the allmusic review, while your were not. If you want to edit their entire catelog you'd be best to simply remove the genre sections as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:189:102:7EB0:550D:92A1:2CEE:9174 (talk) 22:12, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well thats a choice I suppose, because I'm in the process of doing such things, but people keep interfering, I'll be blunt about the matter. I've returned to the wiki to 'fix' lots of musical albums faults by various bands that have been listed and genre is one of them and I don't consider Allmusic to be a source of knowledge about genre's, as a musician myself.....22:25, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

(fyi I'm the user who's been editing those. I forgot to log into my account when I did those). See the issue here though is genre is somewhat subjective (especially when you get down to smaller subgenres, many of which only differ by minor details). My biggest issue with changing every album to those two genres (especially with a band that has evolved as much as clutch) is that it doesn't fully represent the bands body of work as a whole. I'm not saying you should label "pure rock fury" as a rap metal album only because of careful with that mic, but just claiming everything is stoner rock and blues rock is fairly false (especially with their first album, which is far grittier and heavier than much of their later work). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. smoothy (talk • contribs) 23:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * OK thats a fair call, as I would then say that the genre should added to the others, as wikipedia's own Stoner Rock page has them on it as part of the 80-90s section, and I can list various websites that state this, plus the amount of songs going back to the second album that reference such matters is also consistant. As a fan myself, and cant wait for the Sydney Australia show (havent missed one since their first tour here in '06) I find it very weird to have some of the genres attached to the band and would then suggest we have that also reviewed.Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 23:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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Karst Report
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Thankyou for contributing!
Hi, Of all the editors I invited to share their opinions on the recent report on Karst, you were the only one who contributed. I would like to show my gratitude. I enclose the following WikiLove. Many apologies for you having to deal with corrections from TimothyJosephWood which were rather rude and pointless IMHO. All he did (really) was nitpick at you, and accuse me of being a sock puppet - then he tells you your longer post was unproductive. Anyway, Eldorado74 who sought my help was a newbie, and will value your post. Kind Regards, from Limehous-0 (talk) 18:50, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I suppose, as it is not going anywhere from what I can see. I made my points as I see them. I don't do 'small talk' about issues. I'm mainly on here to edit Musical articles, but I do have knowledge in other backgrounds, which I've been slowly getting into. This whole affair seams rather self interested to me, and Eldorado74 hasn't responded to the situation, so.... But thank you for the appreciation. Nuro   msg me  00:10, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Edit conflict at ANI
In case you notice my comment (diff) at ANI and wonder why I inserted it in front of yours, the fact is that I didn't! I've never seen that before, but when I clicked "edit" your comment was not present on the ANI page or in the edit box. Yet when I clicked "save", your comment was present after mine. Very strange. Johnuniq (talk) 07:37, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Strange....I will have to edit my comment now... Nuro Dragonfly   G'day Mate!  07:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Recheck the definistion of Ultra-Nationalist Zionism
Regardless of me thinking this user is wrongdoing, I think you should research a little bit more about what "ultra-nationalist zionism means", simply throwing it at every person who is slightly to the Israeli side is needless. This user presented a fair argument in a wrong way, although I did oppsed the idea of Palestine being labelled under Israel. An Ultra-Nationalist Zionist will blank or vandalize articles such as "Palestinians" or "Nakba", in his edit he will push the narrative that all of the settlements are 100% legal and will refuse to show anything other then that, he will swear and be aggresive toward anyone who disagree with him regardless of nationality, and I have expirianced hatred from Ultra-Nationalist Israels in Wikipedia and real-life. this is the language of an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 08:09, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * To be blunt and very short about it, any denial of the State of Palestine is exactly that. Ultra-Nationists Zionist POV. No ifs. No buts. No nothing. I'm not Israeli or Jewish or Palestinian or Islamic, or even a Christian for that matter. I call the facts before me. I detest any hint of nationalism in anyone. Anywhere. For any reason. I'll also be questioning if this is the actual account holder who is called Bolter21, as they stated already that they had given their account password over to a relative, which is a permanent ban for doing so. Nuro Dragonfly   G'day Mate!  08:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Aparantly I have a relative who knows how to use Wikipedia and shares the exact level of English and just as familier as me on topics such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Interesting. Anyways your views about who is Ultra-Nationalists are wrong. You can be an Anti-Zionist or just an unrelated person and alledge that the State of Palesine doesn't exist or ilegitimate. There are people who deny the State of Palestine because they want a bi-national one state solution and there are some who deny it becuase they want a one-state solution without Arabs (-Ultra-Nationalists). There are the majority of the left in Israel (who I am part of) who support the two state solution, including a Palestinian State, but it doesn't mean I personally recognize the State of Palestine because the Palestinians unilaterally declared it and it doesn't mean that there is no respected scholar or a Palestinian leader to say that a Palstinian State doesn't exist yet. Palestine is a thing, but not a de-facto sovereign state and I am backed with sources, not SYNTH (=because the world recognize it - it is a state)--Bolter21 (talk to me) 08:32, 17 April 2016 (UTC)


 * If the Left of the Political spectrum in Israel has the view of also not recognising the UN General Assembly vote on the State of Palestine then I'm completely dumbfounded how you can even claim to be of the Left. I'm exceedingly well versed on the debates going on in the Israeli Psyche about this issue. You have not presented yourself as anything other than a supporter of the Zionist view. This is completely unacceptable. Political and Religious views are irrelevant on WP. Your attempts to claim some legitimacy in this case are contradictory, and that is if this is actually the owner of this account, which I no longer believe. I have no respect for the Political views of Hamas or it's supporters, I will also state for the record, and do not excuse their actions, just as I don't excuse the actions of the IDF.
 * I am a historian, and I do not, under any circumstances, care in any way shape or form about Religious views or sentiments or emotions of anyone for any reason. Science and Proven Facts are all that matter. Especially in History. Especially in Military Conflicts. And making sure the facts never get swept under the carpet is the goal in my endeavours. I consider Holocaust Deniers to be the worst case example, followed by the actions of States with exceptionally higher degrees of Military hardware, Killing innocent people, who are using Literally rocks and stick against tanks. The crimes of the IDF and of Hamas (and the PLO before them) are well known to me. I consider both parties to be guilty of Crime Against Humanity, War Crimes, and a plethora of other crimes that the Leadership of both Palestine and Israel should be on trial in The Hague, many, many years ago. I make that statement with the Facts of History on my side, which is not debatable in the sense of contradicting it, except by people who wish to deny the truth, just like at the Nuremberg trials of the NAZI's when the excuse was used I was only following orders. I see no difference.
 * Anyone who denies the right of Palestine to exist, with full control of it's own boarders, sea-lanes, air space, trade routes and agreements with other countries, without the control or oversight of the IDF or the Israeli Government, which has the effect of systematically and literally starving the Population of Gaza, is an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist. Just as any Arab/Persian Political/Military Government/Organisation, that claims that Israel should not exist is just as guilty of an unacceptable Nationalist Agenda and Ideology. All based on Mythological Religious mental insanity. I am, as I stated, not a Judaean, a Christian or a Muslim. I consider the opinions of the those that are Followers the Book and Descendants of Abraham to be evil incarnate on this Planet. You know why? Because the amount of Wars that have been started by some Ideological Zealot of one of these three Religions. in the name of the said religion, is unforgivable. It's the curse of studying Warfare, that any type of faith one may have had (which I never had in the first place) is destoyed, and in my case is utterly condemned as the source of all evil.
 * No, I don't need a refresher course on the terminology. I am very aware of my language skills. I have no time for Nationalist Ideology.
 * Why? Because it's the reason this planets still at war for stupid reasons. And as this is my Talk Page, Ill express myself as I see fit, because it was you (which I don't believe is you) who came on here, not the other way around, to start another argument with someone who does not support Your POV.
 * If you actually have any serious intent of contributing to a Neutral Article on issues that have conections to either Isarael or Palestine, then I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself over the stated position you hold on the issue of the State of Palestine being correctly written in this Encyclopaedia people are trying to build.
 * Nuro Dragonfly  G'day Mate!  11:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC)




 * I detest any hint of nationalism in anyone.
 * Political and Religious views are irrelevant on WP.
 * Anyone who denies the right of Palestine to exist, with full control of it's own boarders, sea-lanes, air space, trade routes and agreements with other countries, without the control or oversight of the IDF or the Israeli Government, which has the effect of systematically and literally starving the Population of Gaza, is an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist.
 * Don't you see the hypocrisy?
 * And I do not oppose Palestinian National rights', I am indifferent about them and if the two-state solution is the only solution, so be it.
 * I simply oppose the fact Wikipedia now says "Palestine is a state..." while unbiased sources say otherwise.
 * I doubt your legitimacy as someone who wants to judge other people. You think that literally everyone who oppose your POV is an Ultra-Nationalist and you think Zionists (which are some 98% of the Jewish population in Israel) have no place in Wikipedia.
 * You clearly understand nothing in Israeli politics and you are naive to think wars are because religions and ideologie, that's a very conformist thing to say. You present two things as evil and then you claim you are not part of them so you could justify your existence. Saying I should not analyze your personality will be hypocritical because that's exactly what your did with me.
 * don't call people Ultra-Nationalist Zionists because you'll just make an idiot of yourself and I believe you are not.

--Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:03, 17 April 2016 (UTC) (Bolter21 not logged in, from phone)
 * This is useless. do what ever you want, just dont call me an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist and state that those are evil and responsible for inhumanity.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 17:11, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You don't get it. You can't state that the State of Palestine DOESN'T exist. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have outlined the issue your referring to in summary. Why are they what your referring to? Because this is what the Deniers of the State of Palestine push on the world, via various forms of whitewashing the actual Truth of the matter. The Deniers of the State of Israel are laughed at, and nobody takes them seriously. That is a fucking Huge difference, and your pushing this "I just don;t agree that the State of Palestine exists" crap because of semantics and a language barrier?!?!?! Accept that the views your pushing are the Zionist Positions, irrelevant of your denial at being one, and IF you actually are not one, then wake up to the reality of what your saying.
 * PS: Don't misunderstand me, I have no care about the State of Palestine or Israel or what their called or anything, I just know what the True World Political and the Military Actions of specific Nations against specific nations ACTUALLY are and the ramifications because of their actions, and I don't shut my mouth about it. I'm not a Conservative or of the Right-Wing and I detest such political views, which I do not apologies for. Nürö Drägönflÿ,  G'däÿ Mätë!  23:46, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am a Zionist from the political left. Not being Zionist in Israel means you want to replace Israel by something else. I am not an "Ultra-Nationalist" so please stop accusing people of being Zionist. That's just as I will accuse you of pushing Anti-Theist secular evil propagana. Now that's the first point and wether you accept it or not, please stop accusing people of having a certain ideology and calling them inconstructive radicals.
 * My second point is I have never denied the existence of Palestine, that's a complete distortion of my arguments and only Israelis understood it because we understand a small friction of the reality which is not represented by UN votes. That is that the State of Palestine barely exist de-facto. You say "I don't care about Israeli of Palestine..." and that's the source of the problem.
 * In 1988 a State of Palestine was declared, it was in a form of a government-in-exile led almost exclusively by the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) (Which at the time was an observer organization in the UN since 1974)

In 1994-1996 a Palestinian National Authority (PNA) was established, it is a different body than the PLO but mainly represented by the PLO. It was supposed to be an interim government for five years but a State was not followed in 1997 because of failure of the talks. In 2012 the SoP's status was upgraded from an 'entity' to a 'non-member observer state', but the day after the vote, nothing changed on the ground, the de-facto government in the West Bank is the PNA, represented bt the Palestinian Legislative Council while the SoP's Palestinian National Council had almost no meeting in the last two decades.
 * Therefore, regardless of the vote, the unilaterally declared State of Palestine is still not a de-facto sovereign state.
 * The last claim is based on non-biased sources such as Palestinians, leaders of countries that recognize Palestine and respected scholars with a title of professors or doctors of international law.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 06:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "....not being Zionist in Israel means you want to replace Israel with something else". No it doesn't, and if that is the excuse the Left of the Israeli Political Elite are standing by, then you need to rethink that very hard.
 * "....I am not an 'Ultra-Nationalist' so please stop accusing people of being Zionist". This is a contradictory comment. I supported you initially because of the language barrier, but this is ridiculous.
 * "....That's just as I will accuse you of pushing 'Anti-Theist secular evil propagana'. Now that's the first point and wether you accept it or not, please stop accusing people of having a certain ideology and calling them 'inconstructive radicals'..". I'm actually a Buddhist and have been since I was 3. I don't bother to mention this often, as it's irrelevant to every other human on earth. I will point blank state that the Religions involved - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - most certainly ARE the problem with the "Holy Land", and the reason we even have the factors we are discussing.
 * "....My second point is I have never denied the existence of Palestine, that's a complete distortion of my arguments and only Israelis understood it because we understand a small friction of the reality which is not represented by UN votes. That is that the State of Palestine barely exist de-facto. You say "I don't care about Israeli of Palestine..." and that's the source of the problem". You misread, or misunderstand, the nuance. You have tried to claim support for Palestine, at the same time deny its 'existence' (as a Separate, Sovereign Sate) outside of being an Israeli 'Satellite' Annexed territory. This right here is the problem. The views of the Israeli government or its populace are of no significance to the rest of the world, on it's (Palestine) Status, and you tried to claim otherwise. What the Zionist agenda is simply does not have a place on WP, at all. Just like the Hamas doctrine of 'never recognising' the right of Israel to exist.
 * "....In 1988 a State of Palestine was declared, it was in a form of a government-in-exile led almost exclusively by the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) (Which at the time was an observer organization in the UN since 1974)". "....In 1994-1996 a Palestinian National Authority (PNA) was established, it is a different body than the PLO but mainly represented by the PLO. It was supposed to be an interim government for five years but a State was not followed in 1997 because of failure of the talks". "....In 2012 the SoP's status was upgraded from an 'entity' to a 'non-member observer state', but the day after the vote, nothing changed on the ground, the de-facto government in the West Bank is the PNA, represented bt the Palestinian Legislative Council while the SoP's Palestinian National Council had almost no meeting in the last two decades". Your are cherry picking. The activities of the Israeli (Zionist) Government, in how any of these proclamations at the UN where implemented on the ground, is the condemning factor of your stated opinion. Nothing could be achieved because of the IDF, though at the same time I don't condone the PLO/PNA-Hamas stance either.
 * You have contradictory claims about your stated aims. Your argument is very weak in your attempt to outline the status of Palestine. It is the Occupation of the lands that is the reason the State of Palestine is in the position it is. The Illegal Military Annexation, for the purpose of population control, by the IDF is condemned by all, except the USA (in reality) and even then they have changed their tine recently.
 * What you fail to realise, is that the manner in which you (just like another person in trouble for pushing POV relating to the Status of Palestine, who is now blocked) state the matter is not acceptable to the Neutral Standards that are expected of a contributor, ESPECIALLY when dealing with such a subject. You seam unable to grasp the fact that the lack of Political Education outside of the Israeli Sphere is what has caused you this problem. You continuously cite Zionist Propaganda, but are claiming to be a 'voice from the Israeli Left'.
 * I'm dumbfounded by the lack of education on the REALITIES of the situation. The West Bank, Gaza & the Golan Heights where all seized by the IDF in the 1967 Six Day War, and the fact that Israeli's (any one for that matter) think they were/are part of Israel is insane. If this is the standard of Education that is given to young Israeli's, I'm more than outraged. To claim, or to teach your students, they are anything other than 'Illegally Occupied' territory is also a lie. You and this other editor have both done this in your attempts to push your POV.
 * Nürö Drägönflÿ, G'däÿ Mätë!  08:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And the prize for the most prejudist cocksure person I've ever encountered on Wikipedia goes to... YOU! Your basic understanding of Israeli politics is so low that it will be a total waste of time to explain it to you.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 10:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I have ZERO care about your appraisal of anything. You have more than demonstrated that you are incapable of having a PROPER discussion about the subject. Cocksure? Ignorant of Israeli Politics? I don't care if you think this way, I'm not going to Cite every thing under the sun to prove your an Extremists, in the way you think your entitled to behave as an Israeli.
 * Nürö Drägönflÿ, G'däÿ Mätë!  10:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Also their are very few Arabs or Persians, that I've come across, trying to change the wording of Israel on it's article's. I was going to contribute to some of them, and I may in the future, but I'm leaving this subject matter now. I advise you not to contact me again, as I find it more than frustrating to have to explain the Literal, Historical Reality of how the State of Israel came into being, and the continued Zionist, Right-Wing, Fundamentalist, Expansionists, Illegal Occupation of Lands that continues to happen to this day. I've never once said that I'm against the Jewish State or that I do not support Israel's existence. Far from it. I have pointed out the War Crimes committed by it, the IDF, on Innocent Civilians. I have also pointed out the same War Crimes by the PLO/Hamas over my discourse. The difference is that Israel has Tanks, War Ships, Modern Military Equipment, Armaments Factories and all the required elements of a War Machine. The Palestinians have access to smuggled in parts that they 'jury rig' various types of 'improvised weapons', and in an act I also do not support, laucnh them at Israeli Civilian targets. And Rocks..... Lots of Rocks..... Lots and lots and lots of Rocks..... Which the youth throw at Tanks.... Big, Armoured Tanks....Big, Armoured Tanks, Heavily outgunning said children with Rocks. Once again, I will point out my Military History knowledge, and once again I will state that this is all that matters, as I'm not voicing my Opinion on the articles in question on those pages, I haven't even contributed anything yet to any of them (and possibly will not now), but I'm speaking my mind on MY personal user talk page. After you contacted me. After you vandalised my personal User Page. I even originally supported you, with the (to me) obvious factor of a language barrier, but you couldn't keep your mouth shut, could you?. And when you opened it again, you continued your Zionist stance. Zionism is not 'good', just like the 'Soviet Communist' was not good, just like the NSDAP was not 'good', just like the 'PLO and Hamas' are not 'good', just like 'Fundamentalist Muslims' are not 'good'. And you now why?... They all preach a One-Eyed view of how others should live their lives. They all claim to be Infallible and correct, about everything. I am a Historian, who, as with Science, accepts that when New information is collected, I can change my views and stated opinions on a subject. Religion ignores this Fundamental, Correct, way of living ones daily life. I have no time or respect for that. To claim that I am also attempting to be Infallible, well that is an intentional misdirection and misrepresentaion of the facts, to further your own aims and agenda. I am here to build an Encyclopaedia, not promote Racist views by Zionists. And yes, I call denying the independence of Palestine a racist act. The Political views of Israel are condemned in most of the Parliaments of the world. The Political views of the Arabs/Persians are just as condemned. I have had enough of this now, your annoying me, an talking to a child about the realities of the REST of the world is tiresome......
 * Nürö  G'däÿ  13:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)