User talk:Wonderfl/Archive/2015

Naming
Created Virtex_(FPGA), MPLAB and MPLAB devices recently, but not sure about naming conventions. Should it be Xilinx Virtex and Microchip MPLAB, Microchip MPLAB devices instead?

Also the pages are almost invisible on Google, meaning I'm wondering what the point of writing such articles are, if the article does not appear when people search for similar terms on Google. What can be done to improve SEO/ranking/discoverablity on Google/WP itself? Where are good places to add "see also" links to such newly created articles? I've added them to appropriate navboxes already (also created by me)

Wonderfl (reply) 04:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * For the most part, we don't care what Google does. Wikipedia editors don't really concern ourselves with SEO.  Yes, Google usually ranks our articles up in the top couple of search results but that isn't really our doing.  Part of the algorithm that Google uses is based on how many times other sites link to Wikipedia.  So, if other sites link to Wikipedia, then the articles will go higher in search results.  As for how often Google's spiders crawl through Wikipedia finding new articles, that's also up to Google.  Generally, it's a matter of a few hours before Google finds a new article here and adds it to their search results.  Dismas |(talk) 06:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answer. Can you answer my other questions? (naming conventions, and where should incoming links be added in WP to prevent new articles from being orphans) -- Wonderfl (reply) 11:32, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The relevant policy is WP:MOSNAME. This doesn't have any specific mention of articles about products, but I think the most relevant part would be "sually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that". So I would say that the appropriate title is Virtex etc. But it's also relevant what the independent sources say: if none of the sources ever say "Virtex" but always call it "Xilinx Virtex", then the latter would be more appopriate. --ColinFine (talk) 11:43, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help, can you help with the orphan issue (ie. new articles that are not linked anywhere except the navbox)? -- Wonderfl (reply) 11:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the whole point of a navbox, allowing us to link from article to article, and preventing orphan status. Nyttend (talk) 12:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I know how navboxes and "see also" links work. I know articles can be linked inline (within sentences). I've been on wikipedia for years. I'm just asking if there's any better way to do it, ie. how to give articles better exposure so people actually FIND the content they need when they need it. Currently new articles just sit within a navbox, and if they don't appear on search engines then the likeliness that people find it is close to zero. Wonderfl (reply) 14:32, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not aware of any. Why does it matter?  New articles quickly get found by search engines, whether Special:Search or external services such as Google; the Wikipedia article is the first result when I run a Google search for , for example.  Nyttend (talk) 15:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , thanks for checking. However "MPLAB devices" is a made-up term for lack of a formal title. Real world search examples include : "ICD2", "ICD3", "REAL ICE", "Microchip ICD3", "Xilinx Virtex", "Virtex FPGA". When I try any of these the wikipedia article is nowhere to be found. Maybe google has different rankings based on location? Anyways that apart, my basic question was, should I continue writing such articles and will they be discovered? I am planning on doing one for the main Altera (another big FPGA vendor) product called Stratix, and will probably call it Stratix (FPGA) to be consistent with the Xilinx one, and since Altera themselves refer to it as "Stratix", not "Altera Stratix", but then "Xilinx ISE" and "Altera Quartus" have the company name, so confused about that too. Wonderfl (reply) 16:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Google definitely provides different rankings based on location. If I search for "fire hall", it begins by giving me the addresses of some local fire stations and a map of their locations, and while the Fire station article is the second hit on the list, the first one is a local fire department in a community near me.  I can't imagine someone in the UK or Mongolia getting the same results.  Nyttend (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI in the UK, the current top five is:- Fire station, Old Fire Hall (Fenton, Michigan), Images for "fire hall", "Firefighting @ Firehall.com - Canadian Firefighter Resource" and "Manchaca Fire Hall Kitchen - CLOSED - Manchaca, TX | Yelp" - Arjayay (talk) 19:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Funny that it finds two Wikipedia articles. Wonderfl, please do continue writing about them; they'll get found.  I tend to write about notable-but-obscure historic sites, ones generally known only by locals and historic preservationists like me, and they still get read.  For example, I wrote the Garver Brothers Store article last year, four years after the building got arsoned, and people are still finding it.  Not sure why anyone's interested in it that much, but they are for some reason...Nyttend (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Possibly because "fire hall" is not a normal UK English phrase - so it looks for matches (unfortunate association) that have been used from the UK - Arjayay (talk) 21:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your help and encouragement. I will continue writing about such topics. The stats tool is awesome too. For example "Xilinx" gets anywhere from 150-300 views PER DAY! (Obama gets 10K to 22K VIEWS PER DAY!!) Its a great way to compare the popularity of pages. I wish such stats could be integrated into WP somehow. -- Wonderfl (reply) 19:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Puffery
Thanks for your kind comments. I do not work for the FPGA companies I diligently document products for. I started the articles because those were the flagship line of products from the company. No kidding. Do a google news search or a google book search and see how many mention those products in SPECIFIC. Those families are the "high-performance" families, from a technical standpoint. I don't know how to say that in the article without you taking it out, so I invite you, please, add that in, someway that conforms to your strict "anti-advertisement" standards. I am neutral and prefer "de-facto" truths rather than "advertised" blah. So I usually write things that are meaningful to people from that sector. You seem to think I'm advertising, but I'm not. Go ahead. Add a statement into both those articles to show they are "high performance", heck some chips are used on space shuttles, ion colliders, everywhere you can imagine. I need to describe that the Virtex/Stratix series is the high-performance series and the others are slower/smaller (less gates). How do I do that? How do I write that? -- Wonderfl (reply) 13:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia only records what the reliable sources say, so if you can find sources that say this then you can quote them. Theroadislong (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay I'll try finding some. Thanks. Consider giving me a barnstar! Its lonely here on wikipedia and some appreciation could go a long way... the list of articles I wrote is here. (the latest and prettiest is MPLAB devices) -- Wonderfl (reply) 15:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That is so cool! And so kind of you! Thank you! (bows twenty times) -- Wonderfl (reply) 16:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Coverity and navbox
You add a programmable logic navbox to the Coverity page. I see that Synopsys bought Coverity. Synopsys has other sub-companies that do programmable logic; but not Coverity. I don't think the navbox makes any sense here. I really don't understand the Coverity link being in the Programmable logic navbox. Synopsys and some sub-companies are doing programmable logic, but not Coverity. I was going to remove the navbox from the Coverity page, but thought it would be polite to leave a comment and maybe I missed something. If I am correct, the edit should be undone, and it should probably be removed from the navbox. Possibly they are developing VHDL, verilog and SystemC checkers. 71.19.161.130 (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. I recommend creating a Wikipedia account (spaces are allowed), it makes you more trustworthy, generally people don't take comments from IP addresses seriously because we assume its a hit-and-run kind of statement.
 * Yes, actually I just added all of the Synopsys companies into the navbox because they were related to programmable logic. If Coverity is an exception, then it can be removed. Wonderfl (reply) 07:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have an account.  I don't use it.  I don't like data mining/scraping bots.  They may collect and profile via wikipedia edit histories.  I prefer an IP versus an alias.  My account is my real name. 71.19.161.130 (talk) 21:29, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Whatever your view on digital security, please understand that accounts are the means to protect you from tracking. Your IP address can be geolocated and tracked to your real identity far easier than a WP account. See WP:ACCOUNT ("Edit without revealing your IP address (which can be used to trace your physical location) to the public")
 * I started with an account using my name too, and changed it to a nickname later. Create an account with a nickname or rename your existing account instead of using an IP.
 * For example I can trivially tell that you are a Canadian from Ontario, using an Allstream telecom/internet connection, while you cannot tell if I'm from London, Liverpool, or South Africa for that matter.
 * Everything you do online is already being tracked. Live with it.
 * Wonderfl (reply) 06:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That depends on how you use the internet and how much you value privacy. If you haven't seen them take a look at http://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters and Tor_(anonymity_network)
 * --duncan.lithgow (talk) 13:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

OpenStudio
Sometimes, dreams come true. OpenStudio. Made to order. Have fun!

Consider awarding me a barnstar if I helped you! (visit my talk page and click the heart icon) -- Wonderfl (reply) 20:40, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, indeed! I hope you liked the article! Keep your "new article" ideas coming, I prefer unwritten articles/stubs, about notable software/hardware, that have good press coverage. Wonderfl (reply) 06:07, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Just created Archibus. Please improve the Products section if you have any idea about their offerings. Regards Wonderfl (reply) 06:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Haxe/OpenFL
You seem to be confused about the relationship of Haxe and OpenFL, so I would like to clarify. Haxe is a language and a compiler on which OpenFL is built. This relationship is directional: OpenFL depends on Haxe but in contrast Haxe has no inherent notion of what OpenFL even is. It is then irrelevant to the description of Haxe itself, which is what the introduction text should provide.

It is not the job of the Haxe wikipedia page to improve the "discoverability of OpenFL". However, as I suggested OpenFL could be listed in a "Software built on Haxe" section in the Haxe article. From a Haxe point of view it is on the same level as Flambe or Kha which could both be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonHaxe (talk • contribs) 17:02, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Look, the projects clearly are related, built by the same team, similar feature-set, and so on. Yes, I understand Haxe is a Language, but by your logic, AIR should not be mentioned on Flash Player because AIR has nothing to do with FP. True. But we mention it still because it is a close relation. I don't know what Flambe or whatever is, but if its notable, then mention it. Non notable (hardly used) stuff doesn't deserve a mention. Plus, since OpenFL is built by the same team (ie. "official") it is fine within the lead section of Haxe, while other projects may not be fine (we don't generally list third party / fandom stuff on the lead of the official article, unless its highly notable, while 1st party projects are generally listed). Wonderfl (reply) 04:26, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * That's just wrong information. OpenFL is built by different team; no member of the core Haxe team is directly involved with it. So your "we don't generally list third party" comment applies. You can discredit my neutrality all you want but that doesn't change the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonHaxe (talk • contribs) 08:43, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for the info. I didn't know that. OpenFL makes itself look like its affiliated with Haxe. Maybe you guys should do something to change that. Copied notable discussion to Haxe talk page. Wonderfl (reply) 11:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Articles such as this only support that idea. Wonderfl (reply) 11:28, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually that article has a nice graphic that shows the stack with Haxe at the bottom and OpenFL above it. OpenFL marketing has a tendency to try and hide Haxe's existence so I don't really blame you for misunderstanding the relationship. No hard feelings and thanks for understanding! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:B40:414:58DA:DA8D:AC67:B9DF (talk) 11:53, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Seriously, you guys should contact the OpenFL team with a legal threat or something, and ask them to place a disclaimer on their site, something like "OpenFL is not affiliated with Haxe in any way. No member of the Haxe team works on OpenFL." Wonderfl (reply) 14:09, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Please comment on my NME section in the OpenFL article. Is that correct? -- Wonderfl (reply) 08:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * It's kind of complicated, but NME is still sort of around. You might want to read through https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/haxelang/ZBkcuNc6hF4. I believe the OpenFL wikipedia entry is mentioned in there somewhere.


 * The main idea is, wikipedia is not your "official website". Instead WP documents everything to do with a given subject. Thus we have criticisms (no website criticizes its own products), legal issues (no one likes to talk about past legal battles), flashy warnings ("too few citations", "written like an advert", etc), and a very de-facto, real-world lead section. We don't go with what the official stand is on anything, otherwise we would be happy with copy/paste jobs of 1st-party content (ie. official websites). Also, you have learn to look at an article from a user's POV, ie. "what would a user need to know about this subject", rather than "what I want to say about this subject". Wonderfl (reply) 04:31, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, special care needs to be taken for parties that are involved with the subject of discussion. They generally cannot contribute in a neutral fashion due to the inherent cognitive bias with the project. Wonderfl (reply) 04:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking at the articles you are working on, your own bias towards flash-related technologies is very obvious. Haxe has nothing to do with OpenFL. Just because OpenFL is written in Haxe, that doesn't make it "related, built by the same team, similar feature-set, and so on". None of that is true. Look at the WP page of C, C++, Javascript etc. - where do you find a single third-party framework written in those languages being mentioned in the introduction? It just doesn't belong there. As much as, say, Linux, is a notable project, just because it's written in C that doesn't make it relevant to the introductory section of the C programming language WP page. The very idea that OpenFL "has a similar feature-set" shows nothing but ignorance about both Haxe and OpenFL.
 * Haxe has become a very complex set of tools, and even people who are starting to use it on a daily basis are often struggling for weeks to understand its nature and how it interacts with all the technologies it makes accessible from the language framework that it is. And that is mostly due to misleading documentation and characterizations all over the web, and the WP article unfortunately is a prime example for that. So if you want to further contribute to that set of horribly misleading and plain wrong information, just go for it, continue to act as if OpenFL was anything but a third-party framework in the context of Haxe. It's a tertiary foot-note at best. There is a lot about what Haxe is and can be used for that is missing from the page, and if you'd actually be concerned about the quality and neutrality and above all usefulness of the article from a users POV you'd try to find out in how many ways it's wrong, incomplete and misleading and fix that, instead trying to make poor WP users believe that OpenFL was of any relevance in this context. TOderson — Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, fine, sorry, I had no idea there is no affiliation between OpenFL and Haxe. You guys are Haxe experts and I'm not. I've tried to document Haxe/OpenFL and all Flash-related technologies, as you noted, as best as I can. I thought that OpenFL was started by the Haxe team, if not, remove the statement.


 * If you see something that's "wrong, incomplete, and misleading", fix it. I don't know what's wrong with the Haxe article since I don't use Haxe, although I tested it so I understand a bit (a bit) of how it works. Since you are an expert, please improve the article, add whatever incomplete info you need, Remove wrong information. Etc. Or at least take the time to go mention that on the talk page, someone will come and see your notes and fix the article. Wonderfl (reply) 11:16, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Contributions
Hi SuperHamster, thanks for your help on Nodejs. This year I've participated on WP a lot. New articles like MPLAB devices, Flare3D, Away3D, Lightbot, OpenStudio, as well as new sections on topics I have worked with : OrCAD, SpeedTree, and so on. Consider awarding me a barnstar, for a little happiness goes a long way! Kudos Wonderfl (reply) 07:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Fantastic contributions! Glad to see computer and software-related subjects getting attention from you. Unfortunately, I don't give out barnstars per request - it's much more rewarding to be surprised by a barnstar than to be expecting one, anyway! Keep on doing your great work - and maybe you'll see me again in the future ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 07:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the encouragement. Any specific computing-related topics that are notable (and have good refs, news, or otherwise) and are missing articles? I usually like working my way up from non-existing articles or stubs (stuff that gets very little attention). The ones that are already documented are already getting the lov' from all around so my help isn't significant. Keep pinging. Its easier that using my watchlist to find your replies. Wonderfl (reply) 07:28, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ohh...good question. Can't really think of anything off the top of my head, but there are tons of stub and start-level articles at WikiProject_Software or Category:Computer_science_articles_by_quality, so I'd sift through those to find anything you might be familiar with. I've done some work with Google articles, and there are plenty of stubs to expand there, too (perhaps Google Fit, Google Flights, and Android Wear - at the least, these could probably use updating). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 07:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you help me add my articles to the WikiProject_Software? The full list is at my user page, if you can do one, I'll repeat for the rest, or just tell me how to do it. ie., what tag to add to the talk page. And how do I mark it "to be reviewed"? -- Wonderfl (reply) 09:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure - I've done so over at Talk:OpenStudio, which you can copy the template for. You add the article to WikiProject Computing, and then specify WikiProject Software as a "sub" WikiProject. If you want, you can try to evaluate the quality / importance, though I try to usually leave that to WikiProject members with more experience to do. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 14:47, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll copy it over. Any such thing for electronics related stuff like MPLAB devices?? Wonderfl (reply) 12:59, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay. Figured it out. I added Computing, Electronics, Free software and Open (where appropriate, of course). So many articles I've encountered not part of any project. Such as the articles I've collected into navboxes. What is to be done with those? Add 'em all into a project marked as start/stub class? And how does one go about requesting for rating? Is it periodic or do you have to ask? Certain well written articles I'd like to get rated. Any benefit of rating? Wonderfl (reply) 13:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, dunno what people consider important. PIC microcontroller gets like 1K views a day, and it was marked "Low" importance. I cleared that rating (unrated importance). Is there a scale or metric for these things or is it entirely by gut? Wonderfl (reply) 13:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Discovered the quality criteria, but wondering how to get something nominated for review. I wonder why I rated everything I did as "start" class. According to this guide, its at least "C" class. Substantial, at least one reliable source, may required cleanup. Can I change page ratings as per this guide or do I have to ask? MPLAB devices is at least C if not B. MPLAB is Start, Flare3D/Away3D is C, Adobe Flash Player, Adobe AIR, SpeedTree are C or even B. PIC microcontroller is C. The rest are mostly correctly rated as Start. Am I right? Wonderfl (reply) 13:23, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the delayed reply - been a busy last couple of days for me. You're free and encouraged to place articles in WikiProjects. Regarding requesting ratings, you usually don't do anything - if you leave a rating/assessment field blank, WikiProject members will oftentimes swing by to rate it (assuming the WikiProject is active). The most direct benefit of ratings is that it mostly serves as a way to keep track of how much progress is being made in a WikiProject's subset of articles, and for editors to be able to identify articles that need expanding.

Regarding article importance, most WikiProjects have their own guide for how to assess that (e.g. WikiProject_Video_games/Assessment, for video games). I note that WikiProject Computing also has one, though it's very brief and rather subjective.

The reason why all your ratings are turning up as "start" is because that's what you defined the parameter as in your templates:. You need to indicate its class yourself. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 05:56, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

P.S. I think you'll find the general assessment FAQ to be helpful. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 06:04, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. My final question was asking if I could change the rating parameter based on the criteria. My question still holds:
 * "Can I change page ratings as per this guide or do I have to ask? MPLAB devices is at least C if not B. MPLAB is Start, Flare3D/Away3D is C, Adobe Flash Player, Adobe AIR, SpeedTree are C or even B. PIC microcontroller is C. The rest are mostly correctly rated as Start. Am I right?"
 * Wonderfl (reply) 06:13, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oop, my bad! I'd say those are pretty solid ratings - I'm not too experienced with quality ratings (especially since I'm not a member of those particular WikiProjects), but looking at the criteria, those all seem sitting. And thanks for your interest! The more we can sort articles into their respective WikiProjects, the better. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 03:38, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I waited for an answer here and here for more than a week, but no replies. Should I just go ahead and change article ratings then? Or is there someone experienced in this that I should first confirm with? Tired of waiting for confirmations .. Wonderfl (reply) 12:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a big deal - if you're confident in your ratings, I'd just go along through it. Some WikiProjects are more active than others. What I do recommend is getting familiar with the article rating guidelines of a few WikiProjects (computing, software, etc.), and focus on rating those articles. This allows you to be well-versed and confident in rating for those specific topic areas. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

AV Navbox
Hi again. I just created the Antivirus navbox but after I added the list of desktop/mobile products into it, it looks like a mess. Any way to clean it up or is it fine as it is? Also note that multiple links link to the same article. Many products don't have an article so its actually linking to the company page. Like CYSEC or F-Secure or Panda Security. Is this fine? Basically the term can refer to the company and/or the product. So it makes sense to add it into both sections. Comments/feedback is appreciated.

It might also make sense to merge desktop/mobile products into one list, removing the duplicates. Note that between desktop/mobile 90% are dups (link to the same underlying article), although the product names may differ.

Wonderfl (reply) 11:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey again Looks really good to me, nice job! I don't have any critiques to make. I'm not sure how lenient we should be for products that don't have their own article, but I'm fine with it as is. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 14:46, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. Just want to say you have a really positive attitude, probably the most cheerful dude I've come across on this grumpy ol' 'pedia. Good day and keep up the cheer!! Kudos. -- Wonderfl (reply) 15:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you know a tool/script that can add a navbox to the end of an article? Currently I've listed all these AV companies/products but I'll have to go add the navbox on each one. Not done that yet. Any automation? Wonderfl (reply) 15:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Haha, thank you - I'm glad to hear that!
 * Good question...unfortunately I don't have an answer. I'm trying to think of how you could do it with AutoWikiBrowser (a semi-automated editing tools that makes tasks like adding categories or appending/prepending/replacing text easy), but I think there's too much variance from article to article to make it work well (if at all). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 15:44, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for trying!! I wonder where you get all the energy from! Anyway keep up the good work. Regards and kudos. Wonderfl (reply) 15:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

ISE
For some years, ISE was run on Linux using Wine. I never tried it, but many said it worked well.

But now, Xilinx has downloads for both Windows (32 and 64 bit) and Linux (32 and 64 bit).

Since Scientific Linux is supposed to have full Red Hat compatibility, and maybe others also do, I don't see any problem. Right now, I am running on Windows because that is what I have available, but soon hope to run Linux ISE.

http://www.xilinx.com/support/download/index.html/content/xilinx/en/downloadNav/design-tools.html

-- glen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gah4 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I have no idea why you are telling me this. Makes no sense and I'm completely out of depth. Perhaps you meant to send this message to another user? Wonderfl (reply) 15:58, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you mean to say the ISE article should be modified to note it runs on Linux? I'm fine with that but find a book or site that says so. Then you/I can add a statement into the article indicating that it works fine on Linux. Wonderfl (reply) 16:00, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Xilinx_ISE the "Linux notes" section has your name on it. I put the xilinx.com link above to download it. I haven't actually tried running it, is that necessary? (Wouldn't that be original research?) Gah4 (talk) 17:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Good point. I added it back in. Dunno what I was thinking at the time. The section looked fine. Anywasy, I made a few improvements to the wording. Is it fine at the bottom of the article? If not, move it above "Device Support". Kudos and have a nice day. Wonderfl (reply) 07:11, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * If you can find any website that says the Windows ISE works on *nix using Wine, then you can add that point in too. Or gimme the ref (on this page) and I'll add a statement. Regards Wonderfl (reply) 07:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Adobe Flash

 * Adobe Flash

Hello Wonderfl. I guarantee 100% that Michelle Alsip Welsh was one of the founders of FutureWave. She is my mother. Please do not feel bad about not knowing of her involvement. Everyone seems to be attempting to write her name off of history. Michelle, Jonathan, and Charlie did negotiations with Norm Meyrowitz and Betsey Nelson to sell FutureSplash to Macromedia. My mom is not one who is a "glory hound", but now people are starting to doubt that she was even part of the program. Here is a link to the Adobe history page. You will find her name in there. If you would send me your email, I would be happy to send you my mom's business card and Charlie Jackson's home phone number. We would be happy to assist you in the history of Flash. My email is scootunit007@gmail.com

By: Zane Welsh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scootunit007 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Typically cranky Wikipedia editors would label your involvement in this matter conflict of interest, however I'll add your mother into the list of founders of FutureWave Software. As she has not "invented" Adobe Flash I don't see why she should be in that list.


 * Edit: Michelle Welsh is already listed on the FutureWave Software article, and I've added it into the Adobe Flash section. I don't see what else needs to be done.


 * Edit: The site you linked me to is a fraud, and a circular reference to WP. It simply copies older versions of Wikipedia articles and translates them into webpages. So referencing that site as a "reliable external source" would be nonsensical.


 * Edit: Luckily your mother's name appears in various books, which I have added as refs. See Adobe_Flash. I used this as an opportunity to improve FutureWave history too. I think we're done here. If I helped you, click on the heart icon at the top of this page and award me a barnstar. Regards.


 * Wonderfl (reply) 08:13, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Some comments regarding the IOIO page
Hey there! Ytai here, creator of the IOIO. Thanks so much for writing that page, been a long overdue of mine... A couple of minor corrections/suggestions:

1. The image attached is pretty poor, both in terms of image quality and board quality (it's a cheap knockoff). The SparkFun product page has high quality images that are properly licensed to be used here I believe.

2. The text might be understood as if this project is a Google project. It's not. I just happen to work for Google as my day job. Consider rewording of completely removing this fact.

3. The IOIO manager app is obsolete, being used only for IOIO v1. The IOIO-OTG have their firmware upgraded by connecting the IOIO to a PC and using the ioiodude app.

4. Some cool features not mentioned, consider mentioning them: input capture, capacitive sensing, advanced motor control.

Feel free to reach out if you have any questions. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.3.142.64 (talk) 04:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Ytai, thanks for the feedback. I need to know the license that SparkFun images are licensed under. Wikipedia only supports CC-BY-SA, CC-BY or GFDL. Link me to an image you like. The remaining textual changes have been implemented. Please elaborate on the motor control. You mean PWM-based motor control? Anything else?


 * Also consider creating a Wikipedia account, it makes your comments more credible. It just takes a minute and you only need an email account. Sign your posts using four tildas at the end of your message, it inserts your name and timestamp.


 * Wonderfl (reply) 09:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Cool. As far as images, here are some options that I like, choose one:


 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/9/3/1/5/12633-05.jpg
 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/7/7/9/2/11343-01c.jpg
 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/7/7/9/2/11343-02.jpg

All are CC BY-NC-SA 3.0, as you can verify on the product page.

Regarding the motor control API, I meant the API described here: https://github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/Motor-control It allows synchronized precision control of up to 9 motors of different kinds (e.g. stepper, DC, brushless) in different modes (position, speed) + binary actuators (e.g. solenoids, LEDs). Makes it possible to drive e.g. a CNC machine with the IOIO (such as my IOIO Plotter).

Thanks again!

P.S. SeeedStudio are also one of the official manufacturers, selling it for $30 in BLACK. Consider mentioning them too: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/IOIO-OTG-for-Android-p-1615.html. In fact, the upcoming (minor) version of the IOIO-OTG is going to be sold on Seeed first.

Ytaibt (talk) 04:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Your motor control mechanism is very interesting. I've updated the article, and re-created pinout diagrams based on your wiki, since the license of the Github Wiki images was not specified. Check if you need any changes. See IOIO. Also double-check the technical details in that section.


 * Do you support the full API on Windows as well? All of the advanced motor control and everything else? Is there any significant information you'd like to publish regarding the Windows port, that can be added to another section.


 * Wonderfl (reply) 06:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for taking long to respond. The article is becoming nicer, so thanks again for the great work!

A couple of nits:
 * "PWM-based motor control" is a bit misleading. The motor control library can generate various waveforms, PWM being only one type of them.
 * "The IOIO uses a single PIC MCU to drive upto 9 motors in synchronization." Suggest rewording to "The motor control API of the IOIO can drive up to 9 motors and any number of binary actuators in synchronization". And then "The IOIO supports..." to "The API supports...". The reason being that otherwise it may seem from the paragraph as if this is the main function of the IOIO.
 * "Device firmware may be upgraded on-site..." suggest rewording to something like: "Device firmware can be upgraded by the user. For the first generation IOIO this is done using an Android device and the IOIO Manager application, whereas as the IOIO-OTG uses a desktop computer running the IOIODude application".
 * "The device also works with desktop ..." suggest making this a separate paragraph. Also consider mentioning that the IOIO v1 can talk to a PC over Bluetooth, whereas the OTG can use either BT or USB (the IOIO being a USB device).
 * Another interesting fact to consider mentioning on the feature list: The IOIO features a 5V DC/DC switching regulator circuit and a 3.3V linear regulator. The 5V regulator support a 5V-15V input range and up to 1.5A load for the v1 and 3A for the OTG. This facilitates charging a connected Android device as well as driving several small motors or similar loads, thus eliminating the need to additional converters for many common applications, such as small robots and vehicles.
 * Consider mentioning JavaScript support via the IOIOScript or Protocoder environments. Those environments allow coding on the Android itself as well as interactive execution of commands.
 * Re pin diagrams, I made them. There is no restriction on usage, feel free.
 * Worth mentioning something about the IOIO-OTG being a 3.3V logic level device, with some of the pins being 5V tolerant.

Ytaibt (talk) 05:28, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I've made all of the updates except for the JavaScript support. I'll have to understand it first in order to describe it properly. Thanks for the barnstar! Regards.


 * Wonderfl (reply) 06:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

IOIO
IOIO. Totally new article. How does it look? Is the "technical details" part too detailed? I hope someone doesn't come along and delete the section citing some obscure WP policy. Please reply on my talk page or alert me using Ping.

Wonderfl (reply) 08:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Sorry for the late reply, been busy the past few days! Article looks pretty good, nice job. Only question I have: are the images you uploaded of the board your own work? I see that they're available elsewhere online on the official site, Amazon listings, etc. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 14:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The photo on the infobox is from SparkFun, CC licensed. The graphics are my own, drawn on the date I uploaded them. You should not find the same versions them anywhere. I copied these graphics. Wonderfl (reply) 07:26, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi A few issues.
 * If the infobox photo (File:IOIO OTG 1 Large.jpg) is from SparkFun, then you need to provide the proper attribution. Right now, the image's information template says the source is your own work, and that you are the author. The source should instead be the SparkFun website page that has the image, and the author should be the creator of the image (which would most likely also be SparkFun).
 * I notice that the image's license is CC BY-NC-SA 3.0; however, you uploaded the image under the CC BY-SA license. The former doesn't allow for commercial use, while the latter does. When it comes to free images, we only consider licenses that allow for commercial use to be free, so we can't use that image.
 * For File:IOIO V1 Pins.png and File:IOIO OTG Pins.png, it looks like you used official SparkFun images, and added the text yourself? Adding text to a pre-existing image makes your work a derivative of the original work, meaning that you wouldn't have the copyright to license it as you wish.
 * Let me know if what I've said appears correct to you - if so, we'll likely have to mark the images for deletion :( ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 01:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I guess we'll have to revert to the image I took, since SparkFun images cannot be used. And the graphics I created atop images provided by the author. Wonderfl (reply) 11:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks Wonderfl. I see you've requested permission from SparkFun to license the images correctly, so thanks for that too :) In the meantime, I've marked the images on the Commons as having no permission. If SparkFun gets back w/ permission within seven days, we can remove the deletion templates. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 13:27, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I think you misunderstood. As I said before, the graphics were created as overlays on photos provided by the author. So please revert the copyright notice on File:IOIO V1 Pins.png and File:IOIO OTG Pins.png. Those are entirely my work + images by the author. Wonderfl (reply) 04:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * To clarify - you took SparkFun's images and added the text and lines, correct? The author still holds copyright on their photos, and you would need permission to release your edited version under your chosen license. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 05:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll request licenses for those from SF. I'll have to contact the author again. Wonderfl (reply) 11:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! Just to clarify how derivatives work for the future: If I upload a piece of art or other creative work, I have the copyright to it. That means that I have the right to control how my work is distributed and used, for the most part. This also means that someone can't take my artwork, modify it, and then distribute that work however they wish. Even though they added their own part to it, I still created a major part of that work. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 13:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

The Last Door
The Last Door. I didn't change much. But I added all the quotes. Too many quotes?

Wonderfl (reply) 11:24, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Yea, I'd say so! It's usually best to integrate quotations within paragraphs, and to give context for each quotation. Ideally you'd give a mix of summarizing, paraphrasing and quotations, and I wouldn't expect more than one or two block quotes per article. The rule I like to go by is that each section should not just be a list of quotations; it should have its own text, which is supported by quotes. Check out Super_Mario_Galaxy_2 for an example of how a review section should be laid out: a summary of each review, with short quotations here and there that support what's stated about each review. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 13:53, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Is it better now? Quotes only in Gameplay and Reception. Wonderfl (reply) 14:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Getting better! Still, though, I would avoid listing long block quotes back-to-back in the Gameplay and Review sections. Integrate the quotations in paragraphs, and aim for one or two block quotes max. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 14:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tips! I'll checkup tomorrow and do what I can. Regards. Wonderfl (reply) 19:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem! :) ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I could use some help with the rationale of File:The-Last-Door-Header.jpg. Its released by the authors with CC-BY-4.0 and so I tried to find a suitable tag. I'm sure I messed up the rationale though. What rationale is needed for CC images? -- Wonderfl (reply) 19:41, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Rationale is used to describe how we're using a copyrighted image under our fair use standards. If an image is freely licensed (by our standards), there's no need for rational since we're free to use it. You should replace the non-free data and rationale templates with Template:Information, and fill it in like you would other free images (a summary, author, source, etc.). Note that the source of the image needs to show that the image is freely licensed as you describe. If permission was emailed to OTRS for the image, let me know and I can help with that. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:45, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

IOIO image required from SparkFun
Can you contact SparkFun as the author of the IOIO asking for permission to use 1, 2 and 3 on Wikipedia? I'm having some licensing issues, and the way the situation presently stands I cannot use any SparkFun images on WP.

They will need to send the following email from one of their @SPARKFUN.COM accounts to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, and I'll need the OTRS number provided in response.

Wonderfl (reply) 11:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

- To whom it may concern,

I hereby affirm that I represent SparkFun Electronics, the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the following:


 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/9/3/1/5/12633-01.jpg
 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/5/6/6/6/10748-04b.jpg
 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/9/3/1/5/12633-05.jpg

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts).

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

  Appointed representative of SparkFun Electronics 27 July 2015 -

No problem. I'm following up with SFE and will send you the number as soon as I have it. Thanks!!!

Ytaibt (talk) 04:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * All of the IOIO images have been deleted from Wikipedia, since 7 days have past since I uploaded it with no license. Any news from SFE? Wonderfl (reply) 19:35, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I just got a notification that a ticket has been filed. Please follow up on ticket #2015080610020737. Ytaibt (talk) 19:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

IOIO Images
The copyright issues with the IOIO images appear to have been resolved. Can you please verify that and possible undo the removal changes?

Thanks!

Ytaibt (talk) 04:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

OTRS number received
Greetings:

User:Wonderfl wrote on my talk page about three images I deleted.
 * File:IOIO_OTG_1.jpg
 * File:IOIO_OTG_2.jpg
 * File:IOIO_V1.jpg

He wrote "My contact at the company says Please follow up on ticket #2015080610020737. ... The original images are here:"
 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/9/3/1/5/12633-01.jpg -> File:IOIO_OTG_1.jpg
 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/5/6/6/6/10748-04b.jpg -> File:IOIO_V1.jpg
 * https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/9/3/1/5/12633-05.jpg -> File:IOIO_OTG_2.jpg

Would it be possible for someone to verify this number for Wonderfl and provide assistance relevant to this folder? Thank you! Ellin Beltz 15:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * the license was from the organization; three files restored; OTRS template added. Please use the OTRS pending template if an email has been sent but not replied to yet. Green Giant (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * -- Thanks. Please restore the 2 derivative images that I created. File:IOIO_V1_Pins.png and File:IOIO_OTG_Pins.png. Also, is this cropped image correctly uploaded? (license, etc) Wonderfl 10:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

IOIO Derivations
When the original images were deleted, my derivations were also deleted. Now that the originals have licenses (see below), can you please restore my derivations too? Also, is this cropped image correctly uploaded? (license, etc) Wonderfl 10:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The original images are here:
 * File:IOIO_OTG_1.jpg
 * File:IOIO_V1.jpg
 * File:IOIO_OTG_2.jpg

The derivations images are here:
 * File:IOIO_V1_Pins.png
 * File:IOIO_OTG_Pins.png

I've also messaged User:Green Giant about this.

Wonderfl 15:38, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey NIce job getting things in order! Regarding restoring the derivatives: since I'm not an admin here, I unfortunately can't restore deleted images. Green Giant is an admin, however, so I'll leave that to them. As for File:IOIO OTG Cropped.jpg: The license you placed is CC BY-SA 4.0, but the original is CC BY-SA 3.0. You also marked the author as yourself, even though SparkFun is the one who created the original work. I've made some fixes with this edit. ~ Kevin Payravi  ( talk ) 15:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the help. Everything's done as of now. Wonderfl 10:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)