User talk:Wonderlane

February 2009
Please remember to mark your edits as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.'  Gimme danger (talk) 00:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Gimme danger,

I made several edits, the first not marked as minor, but then I marked my own edits as minor, I did not change any in the Sakya Now area.

I did make an edit on a different section which was a political comment, no matter how sad the comment, it is not information. Perhaps that is the section you mean. Is there a way to change that comment?

Obviously I am just learning the ropes.

Wonderlane (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. A page you recently created may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new pages, so it will shortly be removed (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Your first article. You may also want to read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Howdee I am not writing an ad, I am trying to create an article about a Buddhist Monastery in Seattle, Washington about which there are several books published and a large membership. Is there some other way to do it? Every time I start it is deleted. The other Sakya Monastery article is so poorly written about the one in China that I didn't want to edit it in fear of making someone angry. Please advise. I have read the intro page, I also asked Sakya Monastery of Tibetan Buddhism in Seattle change their copyright to Creative Commons just so this article could be written. Wonderlane (talk) 02:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

helpme

Help request
Hello there. What do you need help with?  Until It Sleeps   02:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I read the how you start - so I started a page with just the facts about the first, largest Tibetan Buddhist monastery in the US but it was being deleted as I wrote it.

How do I start? The Sakya Monastery page which exists is terrible - Chinese - I just want to write one about Sakya Monastery of Tibetan Buddhism in Seattle, Washington, USA. I live in San Mateo, California.

Please advise.

PS I also asked Sakya Monastery of Tibetan Buddhism in Seattle change their copyright to Creative Commons just so this article could be written. Which they did.
 * In my opinion the article was improperly deleted, as it was done under Section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion which is only for articles on real persons, organizations (e.g. band, club, company, etc.), or web content. A monastery has arguably an organizational nature, but it's also a place, a complex of buildings etc. In any event, write the article at a subpage (such as /Sakya Monastery of Tibetan Buddhism <---just click on that and start writing; in fact, I'm gong to place the deleted content there for you to get started) and when you are ready to "go live", move it to the main space. It's a very good idea to cite sources verifying the content. If you need help with that, do not hesitate to ask me on my talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict X2)Well, unless that particular Monastery is very notable, or it's been in the news a lot, then I would not suggest posting an article about it, as it would not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If it has, you can always start a sub page of your user space and write it up and work on it there until it's ready for inclusion in the article space. You can do this by going to User:Wonderlane/Sakya Monastery of Tibetan Buddhism in Seattle or type whatever name of article you wish after the slash. Note that this name does not have the exact same name as the article itself. You could to User:Wonderlane/article sandbox, User:Wonderlane/sandbox, or anything you want.


 * Also, the article you wish to create needs sufficient references in order to comply with Wikipedia's verifiability policy. It is also helpful to add internal links, or "Wikilinks" into the article that relate to the subject itself. It is also a good idea to improve the main article that already exists as well. Hope this helps. Cheers! - Until It Sleeps   02:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Let's see - it was founded in 1073 in Tibet by the Sakya Khon family after a prediction by the scholar Atisha. It was refounded in 1973 in Seattle by two of the most well known Buddhist teachers in the US at that time. Sakya Monastery is the first Tibetan Buddhist Monastery in the US, it the largest Tibetan Buddhist Monastery in the US, and the most notable Tibetan Buddhist monastery in the US.

The film "Little Buddha" by Umberto Bertolucci starring Bridget Fonda and Keanu Reeves was filmed at Sakya Monastery as part of the story.

The first Tibetan American born in the US is from the Sakya family and is a one of the head lamas five sons who attends Sakya Monastery. Sakya Monastery is maintained and supported by a hereditary family of Tibetan Buddhists which traces their lineage back through at least 42 generations, more than 900 years. In other couple of generations it will be the thousand year jubulee - in 2073. That will make Sakya Monastery as an institution nearly 4 times as old as the United States is.

There are several books about the lamas who have taught there, and the one that co-founded it, Dezhung Rinpoche III "A Saint in Seattle, the story of the Tibetan Mystic Dezhung Rinpoche" by David Jackson. http://www.amazon.com/Saint-Seattle-Tibetan-Dezhung-Rinpoche/dp/0861713966

Dezhung Rinpoche's reincarnation is the first Tibetan-American White bi-racial lama born in the US.

Little Buddha the film is in part based on his life story and generally that of the Khyentses - the renown Tibetan incarnations. Several books by Western English speaking scholars mention Sakya Monastery, or refer to it due to the Lamdre and Hevajra tantra (First Tibetan Tantra translated into English). There are 206 books which mention Sakya Monastery on Amazon's site alone - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Sakya+Monastery - including one co-authored by a founders wife - her autobiography - http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/items/isbn/978-1-57062-691-3.cfm The original Monastery library which survived the bombing, has hundreds of thousands of volumes of Buddhist books still existant.

The co-founder Dezhung Rinpoche's mother Caroline Massey was featured on Oprah when it was decided Dezhung Rinpoche IV should be raised in Nepal at his old monastery there and attend Sakya College in India. I loved her quotes "What makes you believe that you are the only ones who can love your children?" and "We are talking about ultimate enlightenment here and you are worried about going to the prom?" "The Boy on the Throne," producer Dianne Atkinson Hudson, Oprah, Harpo Productions, ABC, March 17, 1998

The Sakya family is one of the few royal Buddhist lineages left on earth, and the only Tibetan Royal family, there is only the Sakyas and the Lhuding Sakyas. Here's a recent article from the Seattle Times; http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002709523_prince29m.html

There are hundreds of thousands of articles since the whole reason the family came to the US so the Rockefeller Foundation could study their tradition.

But if this monastery being more than nine hundred years old, with its leadership brought to the US by the Rockefeller foundation, being the first Tibetan Buddhist monastery in the US, the films, Oprah show, the books, the rulership of Tibet that's pretty notable. Let me know if you still disagree.

splitting Tib Bsm
Hi, Wonderlane. You've helped with the Tib Bsm article in the past. If you have a moment, would you like to check:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tibetan_Buddhism.

I've proposed something there that would involve work for me but would improve the Tib Bsm article immensely in my opinion. It's turned out to be contentious. I have something coming up in the new year that would make it hard for me to devote the time to this then, so it is now or never. Your thoughts would be most welcome. Moonsell (talk) 00:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Tib Bsm on Bon/ RfC
If you have a spare moment, can I draw your attention to the "Bon" and "RfC" sections on the Tib Bsm talk page of WP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tibetan_Buddhism). There's been a hassle going on there for over a month. Moonsell (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2014 (UTC)