User talk:Woodroar/Archive 1

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Propagandhi
Ok those are different lyrics then the song I know by RWPO so thanks for correcting me on that one. But the way the song is described sounds exactly like the RWPO version. Whoneedspants 17:24, 16 June 2006 (CST)

Your edit to The Shizz
Your recent edit to The Shizz (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // AntiVandalBot 15:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It was a legitimate edit and has been escalated to the bot's creators, as requested. :) Woodroar (talk) 15:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And why am I responding to my own talk page? :) Woodroar (talk) 15:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Paper Heart Gallery, Trunk Space, Modified Arts
Hello! I saw you have done some work on The Shizz article, and thought you might like to peruse these articles, as well. Any input would be appreciated. PT ( s-s-s-s ) 19:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your help! PT  ( s-s-s-s ) 18:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Ryan Avery
Hello! Because of your interest in similar musicians, I wanted to direct you to the Ryan Avery article and the corresponding [|AfD]. Thanks! PT ( s-s-s-s ) 20:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Warnings on User Talk Pages
''I'm wondering what (if anything) should be done about Richardgush's user talk page? It's blatant advertising, the same content found at the Methvin entry (which I've proposed for deletion), but I don't know if we're supposed to propose user talk pages for deletion. Maybe an advert tag or would it be appropriate to add it to Miscellany for deletion? (Reply on my talk page if possible.) Woodroar (talk) 06:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)''
 * I have removed the content in question as it is inappropriate for a user talk page.—WAvegetarian&bull;(talk) 06:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Prod + CSD
Once an article has been prodded, I would prefer to let the five-day period run its course, unless the article is a copyvio or demonstrably false. In this case, the article is unlikely to survive prod, but there's always the chance that someone will improve the article to the point where it can be kept. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 09:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Your message
Yikes, thanks for catching that! That's the problem with anons removing info without recording why in the edit summary. My apologies if it caused any dramas! - GI e n 23:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Tags to short end
Hi Wyatt! Thanks for your tags to the article. As an editor of the article, I don't disagree with the tagging; however, if you want me to improve the article, I would greatly appreciate it if you might have the time to discuss on the talk page what is confusing or needs work, so that I can actually make substantive improvements in response to the tags. Look forward to seeing your comments, and thanks! Girolamo Savonarola 07:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Huh
I don't understand what the point was of giving me a warning, I'm going to quit shortly anyway. And the truth is harsh sometimes, and I stand by every word I said. Giant onehead 00:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

To Move or Not to Move?
There is a band named Criteria with an entry at Criteria (band). There is no actual entry for Criteria, just a redirect to Criterion, which is a disambiguation page that includes (at the very bottom) a link to Criteria (band). What I'm wondering is: should Criteria (band) be moved to Criteria with an Otheruses template at the top linking to Criterion? Or should I leave well enough alone? Kindly respond on my talk page, if possible. Woodroar (talk) 06:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm confident that most people who type criteria, are in fact looking for criterion. I wouldn't move "criteria (band)". Instead I'd put a notice on top of the article criterion saying: "Criteria redirects here. For the band, see Criteria (band)." - Mgm|(talk) 20:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Root
Thanks for your change about Enoch Root and his father; I just realised that I didn't know why I was so confident Root himself was Dutch and wanted to change my edit, which wasn't necessary anymore :) Anyway, a good reason for me to browse through Cryptonomicon again. Jochietoch 08:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Masamune
Hi Wyatt, Thanks for your message on my talk page, I think your the first person thats actually thanked me for my edits lol! I added about ¾ of the content to the 1 Enoch page and only ever got moaned at go figure! Anyway have another look at the page because some of the text wasn't being displayed, my fault missing /'s. I want to know how Sgt. Coldy Bimore fits into the picture, strange that, sounds like some kind of gift?

Just as a side comment saw a message on your talk page about Enoch Root. Did you know that the encryption system in Cryptonomicon is designed by Bruce Scheiner Company Blog. If you go on his website it’s listed under Solitaire. Don't know if that info is on the book page or not but thought I would mention it. Thanks again for the message. -- Shimirel (Talk) 19:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's the link to the actual page, couldn't agree more about "junk about video games" you should see the mess they made of Metatron before it all got moved to its own page Metatron in popular culture


 * It all seems to be there now, it's difficult to tell with so much content. I created a copy of Solitaire in the Visual Basic and Visual Basic .Net programming languages a while back. As crypto goes its pretty simple well compared with Blowfish or Rinjael at any rate. It's when they start talking about prime factors and stuff my brain starts locking up! -- Shimirel (Talk) 18:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

HoL
well i'm rereading the book at the moment (a friend had it on loan for close to two years >_<), so i might as well improve the article as i do so. :) --Kaini 18:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Newbie Nick Beeson
Thank you for your kind remarks. I will try to sign my posts in the future.

I have a lot to learn.

I have been anonymously editing for six months, and finally decided to sign-up. Mostly because I did not want to post to the D&D discussion page without my name being present.

I edit a wide range of pages, with a huge emphasis on bio-medical pages. Bio-medical means biochemistry, and subcellular topics--DNA, RNA, proteins, and molecular machinery such as ribosomes.

An example of an edit that was not bio-medical: I was reading the Winchester Arms page, when I read a sentence that stated they were going to stop production of the 105 year old pump-action rifle. But I knew that was unlikely so I checked at their corporate web site. It said they were moving production off-shore but not stopping it. I then edited the page to state that with a reference to their own page.

I only reluctantly posted to the D&D discussion page, because I was not sure that was the correct forum. I hoped that no one would be too offended. I am not trying to accuse anyone of doing anything the least dishonest. I was just thinking that maybe I would get a response that would clear up the mystery for me. But it seems that hope was vain.

My memory is sharp and clear. Others I know share them. There was a game remarkably like D&D at Michigan State University in East Lansing Michigan in 1971. I remember thinking, "Darn we should have written it up and published it. Look at the money they are making." I always knew that public domain games may ethically and legitimately be written up and published. And I assumed that is what Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson did based on the tremendous similarity of their game to what I knew.

The mystery to me is why no one knows of this predecessor, beside a handful of people who remember it. From the Wikipedia page, and from your response I conclude that Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson were utterly unaware of it. Totally possible since I had (have) no idea where the game I remember came from or how widespread it was.

That is it. I am going to drop this. Maybe someday some one else will weigh in, but as time goes by that becomes less and less likely. - Thanks again for the welcome. Nick Beeson

I am going to try for tildas on this line Nwbeeson 22:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Criteria, etc.
Can you explain, for my benefit, how Criteria, their albums, their members, and any of the related Omaha-based indie bands are notable? I don't see any assertion whatsoever on those pages of meeting WP:MUSIC. What major label have they released albums on? What important indie label? I contend that NONE of the bands on Saddle Creek Records are notable, therefore the label is not notable. I see no charted records, no national or international tours, no media coverage proven in the articles. Reliable and reputable media doesn't mean obscure indie music Web sites. I think this entire series of articles related to Saddle Creek Records is non-notable, irrelevant to anyone outside of Nebraska, and should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aguerriero (talk • contribs) 10:03, 20 November 2006.


 * Response on User_talk:Aguerriero. Woodroar (talk) 00:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to respond, and I appreciate your adding the extra information about the tour and such. Obviously the notability wasn't apparent to an outsider unfamiliar with these bands (me).  Carry on the good work. --  Aguerriero  ( talk ) 03:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, you are doing a great job here. I probably came across as kind of a dick in this exchange, and you definitely handled it well.  I'm not really that way. :)  Keep it up and I would consider nominating you for adminship after a while. --  Aguerriero  ( talk ) 03:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Great Wikipedia User
Thanks for all your hard work.

AFD Abuse
You posted to the Help desk about a user splitting content from an article and immediately nominating it for deletion. That certainly seems inappropriate, possibly bad faith. Feel free to add it back where it came from. Can you give some details about the article and the editor involved, so I can look into this and see if they try this again? - Mgm|(talk) 09:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

House of Leaves
Where you might not know Norse mythology, I know very little of House of Leaves :) (I've only just begun reading it). The statement, as it stands right now, is technically accurate, Odin sacrificed his eye, Tyr his hand and Heimdall his hearing. I couldn't say whether this is relevant since I haven't read the books or any articles analyzing it or anything. However, I leave that up to you nice people.

I should point out that while Tyr's sacrifice had nothing to do with Yggdrasil (there was this mean-ass wolf called Fenrir that was going to eat the everything unless they chained him up using beards of women and mountain-roots and stuff, and Tyr had to sacrifice his hand in order for the wolf to stand still long enough), both Heimdall and Odin's sacrifices are at least tangentially related to the world tree. There was this giant called Mimir who got his head chopped off (can't remember why...) and the head now rests and guards the Well of Wisdom (containing all the worlds knowledge). Odin had to gouge out his eye to drink from it and Heimdall had to lose his hearing (although that's a very obscure story, the Odin one is far more famous). This well lies at the roots of Yggdrasil. I suppose that you could say that in some archetypal/symbolic way he is sacrificing to Yggdrasil, but that is not how the story is usually told. Odin sacrificed his eye to the Well of Mimir, not to Yggdrasil.

I don't have a problem with how the sentence looks right now, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that is what the author was referring to. Probably the best solution would be to find some source for it, but since I don't really doubt that that was what he was referring to, I'm not gonna make a fuss about it :) Oskar 14:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the info on the wikilove, i shall change it today. Thanks once again =) Crested Penguin 21:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Case
Thanks for the note. I was not aware there even was a procedure-- I was going to go to the vandalism noticeboard. It seems to be very important to this user to be known on Wikipedia, but at times his edits have gone beyond simple spamming. Perhaps eventually it will become clear that the links will not be allowed. Kablammo 13:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

house of leaves (again)
yet again, someone wants to remove the blue colouring from the article. just thought i'd give you a heads up as i'd like to establish some sort of consensus on the talk page so we can avoid this tiresome issue coming up every couple of months. --Kaini 14:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding "cultural references"
When reverting my edit in A People's History of the United States you wrote; "reverting; you can find "in popular culture" sections in many articles, and there is no guideline requiring their removal".

Well, in a sense you are right. But I won't dig in that easily :-) As a matter of fact, Wikipedia's manual of style *discourages* trivia sections like "In popular culture" (see Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles) This means that it's allowed, BUT it should be avoided.

How to handle it? Quoting Handling_trivia, it says; "Trivia that can be integrated into a relevant discussion of a specific aspect of an encyclopedia subject should be integrated into that text if it exists. If no such text exists, but it would be relevant, it should be created. Trivia that cannot be integrated at all should be removed."

The trivia about Good Will Hunting and composer Dahlgren could be moved into the article itself. But if you can integrate the crufty, pointless Sopranos reference into A People's History of the United States; I'm gonna be impressed! :-)

My suggestion is; (1) remove the Sopranos reference, (2) reword and integrate the remaining trivia into the article and (3) remove the "In popular culture" heading.

What do you think?

--Jambalaya 22:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Leave Mine Alone Please
Leave Mine Alone Please!

Pease do not edit my external link to a legal website again. it is NOT spam when it is in 1 spot AND there are 3 other external links to the same game sites that you have to "pay" for. The one i am provideing is totally free and is NOT spam.. Here are the 4 sites listed on the Legend of Mir 3 Wiki, None of which are against the wikipedia rules.


 * Korean site
 * European site
 * US site
 * Romanian Site

There is nothing wrong with none of them so please, once again, do not remove my link....

Lraccajr

Re: Welcome
I thank you for the warm welcome, however it has come to my attention (through personal viewing and information from other sources) that Wikipedia has advertised for numerous other things, examples being Modding Genesis, in the Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis wiki, and the links at the bottom of the RPG wiki, along with many other wiki topics.

As a respectful movement to all other related businesses and communities, I request that all sites not DIRECTLY contributing to the content on Wikipedia (including topics made in there) be removed.

Again, thank you for the welcome and I am sure that you will keep the happiness of your visitors in high value and follow up on that decision.

(Phantomrose1590) —The preceding  signed but undated.

Regarding Spam...
Well the question I have to ask you and the rest of the staff on Wikipedia is "Are there enough staff members who like the topics that Wikipedia maintains?". if you only watch what you're interested in, what becomes of the topics that none of the staff are interested in? Do they get filled with spam? And what of the topic that tend to set off arguments, if they happened to be guarded by a staff member who supports a certain side of the argument? On several occasions, it has been noted by me and my friends that in topics such as Jurassic Park, a side in a debate is being protected by a staff member, who tries to bolster the claims of his/her side, while ridiculing the supporters of the other side, the results of which have caused alot of comments on Wikipedia's inaccuracy and biased facts. As for the topic, apologies not needed, though the topic would suggest you were right, though not intended to look that way.

The thing I would like you to tell me, just to put my conscerns on the RPG topic in particular, to rest, would be the purposes of the numerous community links that seem to advertise them, though they seemingly have no hand whatsoever in the making of the page. What I had been doing was adding an up and coming (and increasingly popular, i might add) Text-RPG site to the list, as interests in it are expanding greatly, and are bringing in numerous members who at times want information. I WAS planning on making a topic for the site, but a previous attempt made by a friend of mine for one of the RPGs on the site which had drawn a great amount of attention online, to help explain what it was about, was deleted only a day or so after it had been made.

Just so that I dont feel I've been wronged here, I'd like to be given just the names of the community links and what they've done for the RPG Topic on your site, because I honestly feel that they are doing nothing but advertising there.

(Phantomrose1590 21:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC))

From an AfD
Just thought I would tell you, since I have never run across you until the AfD for Charles Bronson, that your user name is quite humorous. : ) IvoShandor 21:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So when's the band go on tour? ;) IvoShandor 07:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

LCDs
Thanks for your msg re this discussion. I do take your point, but perhaps you misunderstood mine. My point was that LCDs appear to have some sort of diffusion filter on the front of each pixel. This is a real effect (you can clearly see it with the unaided eye, although it requires a magnifier to see better), but it isn't mentioned in the article. Therefore, the article needs to have a few lines added to explain what is going on. I would have edited the article myself, but I haven't the knowledge to give a definitive explanation.

Either (a), LCD manufacture includes an extra step of front-coating the LCD, to achieve better colour-mixing within each pixel, or (b) there is some reason why the human eye cannot see the subpixels. This is important to clarify, because it affects the fundamentals of subpixel antialiasing. RichardNeill 22:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Troublesome user
User:Scipo, who you are already familiar with, is up to his usual bad habits and is breaching WP:3RR on numerous article today. Is there something that can be done about him? I believe this editor may just be a meat/sock for User:Navnløs. Both seem to have the same agenda. Both are violating 3RR on all the same articles and both use similar wording in their edit summaries.(although, to his credit, Navnlos has not side-stepped WP:NPA but has gone beyond WP:CIVIL to some extent) Any assistance would be great as this editor(s) do not seem to want to follow policy or guidlelines in their contributions to Wikipedia. 142.166.250.117 16:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Matt Smith (illustrator)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Matt Smith (illustrator), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. — Satori Son 21:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Gene Summers-Dance Dance Dance
I've declined the speedy tag you placed on Gene Summers-Dance Dance Dance. The reason is:
 * Non-notable pages aren't speedy unless their "about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content" per CSD A7

For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

mass and ice-9
So you are an utilitarian, dont you think that the knowledge of ice-9 and relativity are useful for mankind (-:, and how did you appear also in the mas zone? (-:, ts, ts, Anyway after reading your boxes, no im not gonna do all that thing for mine, you seem to be a reasonable homo europeus with certain inclination to literature so you might apreciate the new redaction of ice-9 i personally consider Vonnegut with Plath and bukowsky 3 of the subconscious germanic dissident literature of America, little explored... here is one of my favorites

Oh never try to knock on rotten wood or play another card game when you've won; never try to know more than you should.

(.........)

For deadly secrets strike when understood and lucky stars all exit on the run:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Homocion (talk • contribs) 03:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

HoL
reverting from a talk page? harsh. i know the book is prone to speculation, but it's not that busy, and let's WP:AGF, eh? --Kaini (talk) 22:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * fair point about the contributions, and i know what you mean. but whilst pure WP:NOR, i thought it was interesting nonetheless --01:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * was gonna check against the book first, but sure doesn't ring any bells. man this page attracts some weirdos. --Kaini (talk) 00:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Scary
Your name is Wyatt, My name is Wyatt; You're a geek, I'm a geek; You're a "perpetual newbie, I'm a perpetual newbie!

Weird!!! p.s. When is your birthday, and what's your favorite color?

Wyatt 915  ?  21:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

More scary
September 15, black is my third favorite, green is my first. Mt. St. Helens is good, so is Mt. Hood.

Wyatt 915  ?  20:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Role-playing_game
Can I ask why you removed the link I included under Community on the Role-playing_game page? Your edit implies that it was link spam but it is, in fact, a valid role-playing community and just as useful as the others in place. I would like to see it returned but do not want to get into an edit war with you, hence this message on your talk page. I would be grateful if you could advise me at your convenience. Thanks. Dpmcalister (talk) 12:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of the rule on not linking to discussion forums (that would certainly remove all of the other Community links - after all, what is an online community if not a place for discussion?) However, notwithstanding that, the links, including the one I posted, are (were) to the main part of the website which provides more than just discussion forums. The link I posted, for example, contains reviews, articles, details on conventions, latest releases, clubs, and shops. I hope that you can agree that is a worthwhile addition to the article. At least until a decision can be made on the other community links. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Dpmcalister (talk) 13:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Most Great Name article
You contributed to an article Most Great Name. Someone recently reverted the article to its initial version while gutting it of all references, and then nominated it for deletion, breaking all assumptions of good faith in the process. Thought you should know Nur110 (talk) 08:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Please note that none of the procedures or protocals for nominating an article for deletion were observed here. The article was arbitrarily gutted of all content and then nominated for deletion. This violates NPOV and also does NOT follow assumption of good faith protocal. Given this the very reasons for its nomination are invalid. As such the tag should be removed. The parties should then come back and discuss the reasons, whys and wherefores for wishing to delete the article and then renominate if the issues are outstanding. As such I have removed the tag Nur110 (talk) 04:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Yep.
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Yep., suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Quantity
How the hell do you see an N where that L is? Killerlula (talk) 13:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? I'm assuming it's something about Where Quality is Job #1 and Where Quantity Is Job #1, but I really don't understand what you mean. Woodroar (talk) 00:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed sir! You changed the picture on Quanitity saying yours is the right cover art, but your picture clearly says Quality.  There is no way that letter in front of the I is an N. Killerlula (talk) 01:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You know what, I retract my statement. I guess that could be -ant-. I must have somehow forgotten that there should be a T after the N and read it as L instead.  My apologies for the trouble. Killerlula (talk) 01:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

MystBot Error
Sorry, i'm in holiday, my english is not perfect. It's an interwiki error, Serpentine is a software and the english interwiki is a list of software, i remove the interwiki on French wikipedia, or another interwiki bot make mistake. Myst (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The error is Serpentine_(software) redirect to List of audio conversion software. Probably remove this redirect if it's wrong. Myst (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Serpentine (software)
Hi Wyatt Riot, just curious, "and which is also causing bot errors" how is it causing bot errors ? Mion (talk) 18:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * just 1 up, i see it, interwiki errors, np . Mion (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

MMORPG
I agree the title needs to be capitalized (which it is). But nothing I can find in policy suggests that the first instance of the title need be capitalized no matter what. For a single example, how about the page Loudspeaker which states: "A loudspeaker, speaker, or speaker system is an electromechanical transducer that converts an electrical signal to sound." If you could point to this supposed policy I would appreciate it, because in my years of experience on Wikipedia I have never encountered a requirement of the sort. Svntnth (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Trukz
Hi there, its the 2nd time i see you have removed trukz from the "List of free massively multiplayer online games", i also tried to make a sep. page for it but i failed due to "copyright violation" i know i'm not a good writer so i copy-paste from the game site so my article got deleted, i'm asking and wondering why did you removed it, some one else could see the "Red"link and write the article again better than me, its a web-based game with over 14,000 players and over 47,000 former payer and anyone can edit or add something, thats how wikipedia built anyway ;)-- 10:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Why undo ScreenFlow edit?
Hi Wyatt. I was wondering why you undid my contribution to the Comparison of screencasting software page, in which I added the first reference to a Mac OS X application, ScreenFlow, which won 2 Apple Design Awards. --Gaz (talk) 22:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Civil War (album)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Civil War (album), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Civil War (album). Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

D&D articles for Wikipedia 0.7
Hi there! :)

As someone who's worked on D&D and/or RPG articles before, I'm inviting you to participate in our goal to both improve articles that have been selected to be placed in the next Wikipedia DVD release, as well as nominate more to be selected for this project. Please see the WikiProject D&D talk page for more details. :) BOZ (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Prods on games
you've just prodded a number of game articles--and prodded & then deprodded others. Checking the list at PRODSUM, I'm a little confused. What criteria are you using? DGG (talk) 18:11, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I go by WP:NOTE in general, WP:WEB if it's a browser-based game. The reason for the deproddings was that I discovered after prodding several articles that they'd already been through the AfD process, therefore making them ineligible for prod.  In those cases, I reverted myself and tagged the articles for cleanup where necessary. Woodroar (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Epiplex
Hey Wyatt Just wanted to understand why have you proposed speedy deletion for Epiplex? Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stratbeans (talk • contribs) 12:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it does not appear to meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. Woodroar (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I request you to be more specific, I had already made changes according to the objection. Kindly refer to the discussions with GraemeL, at 18:25, 14 November 2008. Why dont you check google with epiplex as a key. Also can I request you to please go through my converstaion with GraemeL which is posted on GraemeL's user page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stratbeans (talk • contribs)
 * Specifically, the subject needs to meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria for businesses and all claims need to be referenced from reliable, third-party published sources. Any unsourced claims can be removed by any editor (such as myself) at any time. It is also the responsibility of the editor who adds material (such as yourself) to provide references. If you read your user talk page, you'll see that GraemeL created a Sandbox for you to work on the article. There is also a Welcome message on your page with links to a lot of different Wikipedia guidelines and policies. You don't have to read all of them, but I'd strongly suggest it. Your version of the Epiplex page was very spammy and had no references at all, which is why I originally marked it for deletion. It may still be deleted, which is why GraemeL created that Sandbox for you, to work on the article and get it ready for publication. Woodroar (talk) 09:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, let me try to make it better with citations, thanks for your advise. Digital Tools 11:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stratbeans (talk • contribs)

Removal in Mankato, N. Mankato page
The link I posted was for a non-profit local forum. There is a link on the page for katoinfo.com which is a for profit site with advertising. I don't understand why a for profit business with ads can have a link yet a local forum serving the community, not for profit can not?

Mankatochat (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)mankatochat
 * I removed the katoinfo site as well. Thanks for the head's up. Woodroar (talk) 19:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for working on the MMORPG section
Wyatt

Although the Burial Grounds didn't meet the external links policy for MMORPGs, thanks for working hard to keep the MMORPGs section a great resource. Keep up the great work

Question
How does this look (will it get Speedy Deletion)?

Article-in-Progress
 * Almost certainly. Per Notability, articles should have multiple references from reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy and there should be text indicating what makes the subject notable and encyclopedic. I would strongly suggest looking for some higher-profile references and write a few paragraphs about the game itself. You'll probably want to look through our Manual of Style for some tips on how an article should be organized. Let me know and I'll look it over again! :) Woodroar (talk) 20:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Edited. I'd like to have this article added by Friday. Also - how do I cite the number of players registered in-game, when the only way to count them is to look at the in-game rankings? The homepage states the number of "registered" accounts, but this is less than the actual number of players in-game. Thankfully - many other browser-games do not need very much referencing. This should look better now (see article above). Diego Bank (talk) 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There's really no way to cite in-game players unless it's mentioned by a reliable source. A high number of registered accounts can help towards proving notability but it doesn't necessarily mean anything.
 * As for the article you have, I'd try to bulk up and copyedit the Development section a little. You'll need a lead section explaining more about the game itself, too. The How to Play section isn't necessary, because it currently violates WP:EL (in this case, because it has links to forums) and WP:NOT (Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook). As for the formatting, I'd strongly suggest using the Infobox VG template (like on the World of Warcraft article) and filling in the blanks. I hope this helps! Woodroar (talk) 00:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I enjoy reading the lead section to the lead section. Thank you for your wonderful help; I shall read these. Diego Bank (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added each of the things which you told me to add. Thank you for your help. I am not sure if I should keep the 'Gameplay' and 'Unique' sections of this article, as I feel they are positively-biased towards the game. Please tell me whether these should be kept, and whether there is anything else I should know before submitting the Article? Diego Bank (talk) 06:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

My Edited Links
I read why links may be taken down and now I see why you might think i was trying to boost the sites page ranking. I wasn't so if you could please tell me how to make it so that the link doesn't effect page rank then that would be helpful. Also I won't post more than one link per page because I realize why that wouldn't be good... (two hours later) I read more guidelines on why you shouldn't post links just for spamming and the article should be directly related to the topic. The topics i posted them on were directly related. On a completely separate note, how would someone start a new page on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.20.101 (talk • contribs)
 * Links don't affect page rank at all, so there's nothing special to do.
 * According to our external links policy, links must directly apply to the page. In your case, the Unification Wars link did apply at Unification Wars (browser game) but a link was already there. It wouldn't apply at Real-time computing, for example, because any external links on that page would be about real-time computing itself, not about games that employ real-time computing. This goes for the rest of the links you added.
 * To create a new page, you can either go to Requested articles, or read Your first article and then create an account.
 * I hope this helps. Woodroar (talk) 03:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Beyond Protocol
Wyatt, I will contact you with any means necessary when you have the audacity to slander. This is being recorded and I will seek legal action against you personally if you continue your defamatory comments. Cease your actions. As you know I have what I need to proceed an action against you. --James Campbell, Dark Sky Entertainment —Preceding unsigned comment added by AureliusBP (talk • contribs) 21:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

My Brute
Why did you remove My Brute?

193.217.27.160 (talk) 19:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed links to it because there's no article. Once you establish an article that stays for more than a few days, feel free to link to it. Woodroar (talk) 20:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I do not need a replay on wikipedia guidelines
Greeting, I have no idea on your issue, However stop removing DigOurGame from the List of free massively multiplayer online games. We are well within the right to be added to that list. Wikipedia is community ruled not Wyatt Riot ruled. Thank You, Rodney J. Miller PCA DigOurGame —Preceding unsigned comment added by DigOurGame (talk • contribs) 20:12, 4 June 2009

Soccer Manager
Why did you delete Soccer Manager ? Seftinho (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not delete it. I nominated it for speedy deletion because it did not meet the notability requirements for articles about web content and it was subsequently deleted by an administrator. I hope this helps. Woodroar (talk) 18:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Your getting real irritating my friend
"The site is run by the community of Wikipedians guided by the principles articulated by Jimmy Wales, including, for example, an adherence to a neutral point of view." You have your view. I have my view. LET IT BE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DigOurGame (talk • contribs) 03:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you look at List of free massively multiplayer online games, you'll see that there are no external links, only internal links to established articles on Wikipedia. This is in line with discussions by established editors on the Talk page was well as Wikipedia policy regarding lists, external links, and yes, even neutral point of view. Please refrain from adding any more external links except as suggested by WP:EL and WP:V. Spamming is not tolerated on Wikipedia. Woodroar (talk) 18:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Wrong! Learn what you are talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DigOurGame (talk • contribs) 03:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Is you talking to me ?
Seftinho (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I replied right underneath your original message. Woodroar (talk) 20:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

BossInGame
Hello,

Can you tell me why this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BossInGame) is legitimate and should be on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiplayer_browser_games) list? Yes, I'm asking because an article of mine was removed. I understand why, but I see other articles that also don't meet the criteria mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geraint2244 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, and I've nominated it for speedy deletion. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 19:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Response to speedy deletion
I have responded on the respective talk page of the article you tagged for speedy deletion. Please use it to respond to my comments if you wish. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 21:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ningbo
Dear Wyatt Riot, I am quite surprised by your allegations of spamming. All information given did match the reality and that is what is written in the Wiki guidelines. by removing contributions that are based on facts, you are violating these guidelines by manipulating action.

If names related to websites are mentioned, then it is because of the fact that they are the only information source for the community. I do not need any linkbacks from Wiki. My duty is to serve the community. If you consider the entry into Wiki with historical data as spam, I am wondering if you are knowing what you are doing. Anyway who are you? I can't find any information about you, your nationality or other related in the wiki. So before you are the "censor" and manipulating the facts, you should show your face and explain why you act so aggressive against the Ningbo Foreign Community. thank you Best regards I am sure you had the opportunity to read about me, so at least you know who I am. NingboExpat (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I know nothing about the Ningbo community and therefore have nothing against it/them/you. What I do know about are Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and your edits violated them.  Please read the links that editors such as myself have provided on your User talk page.  Thank you.  Woodroar (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Otherearth Deletion
Hello Sir,

I am writing to you as I don't understand why you initiated the deletion of the Wikipedia article Otherearth(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherearth). This article has only been created with the thought of letting people know more about the game. To understand what it will bring. It does not harm any other game or article on this site, nor is it functioning as an commercial. It has different resources even though they might not seem reliable from your point of view. But you should check the Sourceforge entry for example so there it says that the project is alive since dec 2007. So all information presented seems right and trustable. That's why I see no sense in the deletion of the article. The information presented is fast viewable, up to date and easy to understand. And as far as I know that's what Wikipedia tries to implement. "Wiki" is Hawaiian and means "fast". So as I understood the sense of Wikipedia is to give people the chance to quickly look up a word they heard and then understand in what context it is located. Maybe you have many arguments against my opinion, but that's exactly why I wrote you, to understand your point of view.

Kind regards

Al'Loreain Mathrewin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loreain (talk • contribs) 12:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you read the policies I linked at Articles for deletion/Otherearth, I think you'll agree that it does not meet the notability requirements we have here at Wikipedia. Woodroar (talk) 17:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Ondarun 2
Hi, after you removed twice Ondarun 2, I come here to talk about the A7 of speedily deletion process.

This article give many reasons whiches have really not the same correction solutions.

So I'll try to detail my point of vue, hoping that you'll help me.

or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant.

May Ondarun 2 have to be in -3rd position in Google search ? What about other game like Ondarun 2 ?

This is distinct from verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability.

Okay, now, What does really mean this sentense ? How and who decide of the "notability" of a web content ? Is there only games known by those people who can get a place in Wiki ?

To finish, Ondarun 2 propose a significant and special purpose in Internet browser game sector. It have information of more than 950 racing cars and gives, to 7600 players in 2 months, lot of sensations.

You wrote this in my talk : Please stop. If you continue to add promotional material to Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Woodroar (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

And yes ! I can't say you that is wrong. And sorry for you if wiki get the first place in many keyword in Google... But what about the 30 other games directoried here or here? Is it really a neutral point of vue solution to choose those game, and not the 10000 other existing on the web ?

Sorry, if I'm direct with you, but I'm really sad to see that Wiki gets this politic. Regards, GS Lascar33 (talk) 19:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * To answer your questions:
 * Articles should clearly state why their subject is important or significant. It may not be self-evident to all readers.
 * Subjects must be notable in order to warrant an article. Our general notability guidelines can be found at WP:NOTE.  You can guidelines for more specific subjects at that page.  You will probably want to read through all of WP:WEB, which specifically covers web content.
 * If you feel any of those games do not meet the notability requirements, feel free to let me know. You may put those articles through the deletion process yourself as well.  I should mention that I watch both of those articles and I remove non-notable games regularly.
 * I don't mind your directness at all. I'm glad you're taking this opportunity to get more information about our policies here.  I asked you to stop recreating the article because it could eventually lead to actions against you, such as being temporarily or permanently blocked.
 * I hope this answers your questions. Let me know if you have any more!  Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer ! Where can I give you an exemple of Ondarun 2 wiki page, in order to verify with you the construction and the verfiability of it, without recreate Ondarun page ?
 * Does exist "writter" or "editor" guys who help us to edit our page ?


 * Regards, Lascar33 (talk) 08:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What most editors do is create a temporary page in their User space (for instance, at User:Lascar33/Ondarun 2) and work on it there until it's finished. Everyone at Wikipedia can edit pages, there are no "official" writers or anything.  Feel free to let me know if you have any more questions.  Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 09:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Seriously I don't understand... BI really start to think there is no way to get a page on wiki. I waited 6 months, Ondarun 2 got 25 000 registrations... If you are come from UK, I can understand, because there is no google indexation of Ondarun 2.... But search in US or in all the world, you'll see lot of article about Ondarun...


 * So, now ? I have to come back in 10 years ? Do bigpoint or other game pay to get their pages ? Why some games get directly their pages ? May I have to ask a writer to write Ondarun 2 article ?


 * Regards, Lascar33 (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Onesius
continues on his insistence that he is right and we are wrong, is it worth doing anything more? Dougweller (talk) 05:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to draw him into further discussion after the ANI but he didn't respond. I just left a message on his Talk page, so I'm happy with seeing how that goes.  If he continues, I imagine it'll go back to ANI.  Woodroar (talk) 08:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Your response to RfC re h2g2
You responded to this RfC, which asked about "content hosted on the h2g2 blog site". That formulation of the RfC was misleading. The h2g2 site includes some self-published material, and I agree with your comments about the applicability of WP:SELFPUB to those portions. The current dispute, however, actually concerns one specific portion of the site, namely the Edited Guide. No content is published in the Edited Guide unless and until it's approved by a BBC staff editor.

If you go back to the RfC now, you'll see much more information about the Edited Guide, which is the point actually at issue. The role of paid, professional staff editors means that WP:SELFPUB is inapplicable. JamesMLane t c 05:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed that, and I agree. One of the earlier discussions on Talk:Invisible Pink Unicorn revolved around some other self-pub sources, like archived usenet posts and such.  I guess I got the idea that it was the same (or related) issue.  Sorry about the confusion!  As far as contributing goes, I've been reading the discussion and I don't believe I have anything to say that hasn't been said already.  :)  Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 07:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

AFD
An article of yours is in AFD: Articles for deletion/Yep.. Joe Chill (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:Prop Yep.jpg)
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Heroes of Telara
I am one of the company reps on this team, and we wish to have the data from the previous version of this page posted. Please tell me the exact corrections you require so we can make corrections that are mutually agreeable. Thanks KenTiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentiki  (talk • contribs)  17:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edits again. Here are the specific problems:
 * The press release violates our policies regarding both neutral point of view and advertisement/spam.
 * The links violate our policies regarding external links.
 * The sources do not meet our requirement for sources.
 * I should also mention that you, as an editor, are strongly discouraged from editing any articles about this subject, per our policy on conflicts of interest.
 * You might want to get some help with this article from WikiProject Video games, as they specialize in working on articles about games.
 * Please also remember to sign your messages on Talk pages by adding 4 tildes, like this: ~ . Thank you!  Woodroar (talk) 23:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have again reverted the bulk of your edits. You did add 1 good source but the rest were non-notable.  The vast majority of links are not appropriate.  Again, because of your conflict of interest in this matter, I would strongly urge you to stop editing the article, or at least to make your positions known on your Talk page and the article's Talk page.  Woodroar (talk) 18:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to work with you on notable sources but am confused by what is notable and what isn't. I've read the article on this guideline but it's not very straightforward. I am perfectly able to write this and not have conflict of interest as I would only be citing external references and not inflicting my perspective. Can you help?Kentiki (talk) 23:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A good place to start is at WikiProject Video games/Sources. Especially when it comes to articles on subjects like video games, of course you're not going to find peer-reviewed journals and such, so WikiProject Video games has gone through a lot of magazines and websites looking for things like editorial oversight, accuracy and fact-checking, and so on.  Now, in this case, 1up.com definitely makes the approved list of sources.  Massively.com is essentially a blog with little to no editorial oversight, hence it's unacceptable unless the guest blogger happens to be a notable author.  MMOHub is explicitly excluded, both because of its poor content and a history of spamming on Wikipedia.  The others seemed to be from non-notable outlets or by non-notable authors.  I hope this helps.  If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.  Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 09:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Howard Zinn as a Revisionist
It's unfortunate, I think, that you let the holocaust deniers win. The fact is that Howard Zinn is in good company among the revisionists of the 1960's. Please read my fuller response on the talk page (of Zinn). --Ludvikus (talk) 17:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

List of massively multiplayer online games
Hi!

Why did you delete GalaXseed? It had existed for a couple months before my edit of the name. All I did was add a "s" there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chealar (talk • contribs) 13:29, 23 September 2009
 * It was a redlinked article, so it was removed. If the name is incorrect, you might want to read Help:Moving a page. Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 18:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot! I've added it again, without the typo which caused the redlink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massively_multiplayer_online_games. Could you please let me know if this is ok with you? Chealar 10:27, 24 September 2009 (EST)
 * Yep, looks good. If the correct name is GalaXseeds, however, you may want to read Help:Moving a page and see about correcting that.  Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh thanks a lot! I've been wondering how to do that. Done now. :D Thanks a lot for everything.

Evony in MMOG / MMORTS page
No point in advertising cash-cow Travian clone at Wikipedia. There are dozens of better and older [than Evony] browser-based games, which deserve mentioning much more.

95.133.111.104 (talk) 20:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)Costa

WarBirds
I found enough sources among the newswire spam to convince me it's notable, so I deprodded. Fences &amp;  Windows  03:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 18:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Naming/content of Role-playing game
Hi, I see from your previous posts that you have an interest in the naming/content of Role-playing game. That article currently describes tabletop roleplaying games, with other forms of roleplaying such as video RPGs and LARP described as a variety of tabletop game. Based on the comments on the talk page, it seems that many users are surprised to find that the article Role-playing game is about tabletop role-playing games.

I have made a proposal that in order to meet the WP:NAME policy that article should describe all activities commonly described as role-playing games on an equal footing, and that a new article Tabletop role-playing game should be created to describe tabletop roleplaying games. If you have the time I'd be grateful if you could give your opinion on my proposal at Talk:Role-playing game. Ryan Paddy (talk) 23:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-12-14/Role-playing_game
A solution has been proposed that editors seem happy with. Since you signed on for mediation, I want to extend you the opportunity to comment before I decide whether we are ready to close this case. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 01:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Baroque Cycle revision
Good catch on reverting the mention of Alan Turing as a character in the The Baroque Cycle. Regarding your revision of my edits, I'll allow that suggesting Avi Halaby's (sp) is a Moseh de la Cruz descendent is extrapolation. Regarding Solomon Kohan, please cite a reference for his status as travelling "incognito" or "anachronistic." Incognito is a specific tool/status used by travelling royals, but if he's not the 3rd king of Israel, then he's not incognito. If the SK character is immortal or extremely long-lived like Enoch Root (which he is, according to the text), then he is not technically anachronistic, he's just older than dirt. -best Gb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bridgman (talk • contribs) 02:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

reign supreme
The point is only one thing can be supreme. Supreme means the top. You can say God rules supreme, you can say Jesus and Buddha rule, you can't say Jesus and Buddha reign supreme. Nitpyck (talk) 08:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure you can. Maybe they're some tag-team Earth-ruling duo.  :)  Besides, it's just a phrase, doesn't mean it has to make perfect sense.  Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 08:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Requesting feedback on DarkSpace
Hello,

Back in 2008 you gave suggestions for the article DarkSpace. Thanks for the link to WP:GAMECRUFT; it helped a lot! I have tried to follow the Video Game article guidelines and improve DarkSpace by copyediting and adding sources. It still needs some work. However, if you have any suggestions on how to improve the article they would be welcomed! Cheers, --Culix (talk) 04:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Great job there! I left a note at Talk:DarkSpace, I'll try to find some time to address them in a few days.  Take care!  Woodroar (talk) 22:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you think War of Legends is an MMO?
Hi

You've removed a number of entries I've made about War of Legends on the grounds of it 'not being an mmo'. I am curious as to why this is as I thought that it was clearly listed as an MMORTS, both on it's entry page and on the entries that you have been removing. If something hasn't been correctly marked up please could you tell me where the entry needs to be improved so that there will be no more problems with including it in the MMO articles. Thanks in advance. Wolhound (talk) 14:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Because from what I've read, Jagex isn't calling it an MMO. Multiplayer, sure, but not massively multiplayer.  How may players does it support simultaneously?  That kind of information would be helpful in the article.  Woodroar (talk) 20:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I get where your coming from but what counts as 'massively' is very much a judgement call imo, the term itself being very loosely defined. 10 people? 100? 1000? And if you take it as going off if the producer classes it as 'massive' then that's a whole other set of problems as you could then have a 2 player MMO.Wolhound (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC).
 * According to massively multiplayer online game, it must be "capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously". Woodroar (talk) 21:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

HoL
yeah, that's neater (and it can't break code, everything after the first two characters until the last two characters is ignored by wiki). i added one of those to a 'list of...' page i used maintain, but it really didn't seem to make much difference. but hey ho. --Kaini (talk) 23:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll add hidden text to pages now and then, especially when there's a lot of IP traffic or new editors. Seems hit or miss, but hopefully it helps in this case.  Cheers!  Woodroar (talk) 23:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Soldier Front
Yep, I've seen the article ending up as salted or CSD'd, but I do think it is notable, based on number of players and so on. We only need more references for it, plus the fact that there's that preserve information policy. Any thoughts on this? Blake Gripling (talk) 00:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:PRESERVE itself says "[p]reserving information does not necessarily mean preserving articles themselves", especially when the topic is non-notable. Quite honestly, I don't believe the game meets WP:N.  I haven't found any substantial references (using this as a guide), just junk reviews, press releases, and sites that do nothing but list games.  That being said, WP:V is also an inclusion criteria on Wikipedia, so this article shouldn't even be here without any references.  Woodroar (talk) 03:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, noted. Guess we have to create-protect it until the game becomes mainstream enough to be worthy of inclusion. And boy, that game has the worst anticheat protection I've ever seen, frankly speaking. Blake Gripling (talk) 07:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yikes, GameGuard looks horrible. I'm glad I game on a Mac!  :)  Woodroar (talk) 08:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Won't work on Windows 7; if you attempt on doing so, it'll be likely that your system will lock up, requiring a hard restart. The company behind it also turns a deaf ear on user complaints, AFAIK. Blake Gripling (talk) 13:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)