User talk:Woody/Archive 2

A favour, if you could
Hi, I have no internet access for the rest of this week, so wondered if you could possibly keep an eye on Birmingham City F.C. temporarily. I fear the buildup to this weekend's little encounter might attract unwelcome attention from both sides of the divide... Thanks, Struway2 09:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, we had a very pleasant break spoilt only by young Mr Agbonlahor. Funny how often it happens, actually, nice weekends being spoilt watching overpaid blokes running round a field... Struway2 09:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

LOTD proposal
You have nominated a recent WP:FLC. There have been two recent proposals to begin a List of the Day feature on the main page, which have both received majorities but have not been approved as overwhelming support sufficient for the main page. WP:LOTDP is a new proposal to try to get the ball rolling based on the original proposal. Voice your thoughts on its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Changban
Yes, please! Armando.O talk • Ev 18:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Frank Barson
Quick favour if you have time I have been working on the Frank Barson article for some time now its a GAC I was wondering if you would review it or have look at it for me :)  Everlast 1910 23:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Think its all done expect the main image which I cant find where its from but the tag fits it as it must of been between 1919–1922! Thanks again Andy Everlast 1910 16:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * done the image thing! Not quiet sure what you mean about the refs? It need refing more? Or needs so bits taken out? Everlast 1910 17:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Found the two you was on about I had put the ref at the end of the statements but now I have added refs straight after the "" marks hope thats all! Off to work again! Will reply to any other needs when i get back thanks again :) Everlast 1910 18:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for passing Frank Barson to GA :) Three points tomorrow hopefully Everlast 1910 03:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Request
Are you any good at copyediting? Buc 19:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah James Milner. I've already asked Tony twice but I never got a reply. Buc 19:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

LDHan Vandalism, Cantonese Linguistics Article
With regards to your recent report at WP:AIV, the user has been removing unsourced edits and has been discussing them on Talk:Cantonese (linguistics). I suggest that you discuss the matter on the talk page instead of templating the user. Any questions can be left on my talk page. Woodym555 23:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You mentioned that his edits are to remove unsourced references. He repeatedly adds a statistic stating the number of cantonese speakers is 55 million.  Yet the reference for that stat clearly states it is from 1984.  Other users have repeatedly removed this statistic because it is too old to be considered a current statistic or marks the statistic with a date. LDHan repeatedly puts the stat back in and removes the date marker letting readers know the statistic is from 1984.Snarfendu 00:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * From what i can gather the other editor is removing freewebs references (unreliable) with book references (more reliable). At the moment I see that the stats are at 70 million in the infobox. There seem to me to be a number of one-use accounts editing that page and the only user i see reverting him is you. Even so, WP:AIV is for vandals who are active at that time, he was not vandalising the article, and he was involved in an active discussion on the talk page. This is a content dispute and i suggest you follow the steps at Dispute resolution. I am happy to informally mediate for you if so desired. Woodym555 00:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Zamalek page
Regarding the changes I made where I stated that Suez was a Zamalek fans only zone, you can ask anyone in Egypt and they'll tell you the same. Moreover, I personally travelled to Suez last month and I DID NOT FIND A SINGLE AHLY FAN. As for Alexandria, I've been going there every 6 months and everyone knows that about a third of it's population are Zamalek fans: mainly concentrated in El Montaza which has a population of 2 million; Alexandria has a population of 7.5 million. Also, can you leave the pictures of Zamalek fans so we can show everybody just how good we are :)? Oh and something else. I also see the article named "Criticism of Islam extremely one sided, I hope you'll sort that out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basedas2 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Birmingham derby
Hi, just to let you know, I've reworded the account of yesterday's violence to read Violent clashes took place after the game outside the ground in which a number of police officers were hurt. which IMO is a more neutral way of stating it. The BBC ref reports what anonymous "fans in the crowd" and "eyewitnesses" say, which in my opinion is neither reliable, verifiable, nor neutral. The Exp&Star just says "Rival supporters clashed". (Another anonymous eyewitness (i.e me) says it's a pity the police didn't make more effort to disperse the Blues thugs before letting the Villa fans get anywhere near as far as the car park, but that's not verifiable either.) It's too soon after the event for the Wiki article to be apportioning blame. cheers, Struway2 19:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. ;-)


 * I'd be happy to collaborate on any rewrite you have planned. I have a copy of a short book written by Hyder Jawad, published by the Birmingham Post in March 2005, subtitled "Impressions of Birmingham derbies through the ages", which has interviews with players etc from both sides, quotes from contemporary reports, historical and more recent stuff. Quite useful for factual and illustrative stuff. Speak later, cheers, Struway2 20:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

ManagerLeague Page
I was going to start working on the managerleague page but the only third-party verifiable soucres there are are all in norwegian. How should I start the page without any english sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbeast11 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

RfA
Well done, although I am very late aren't I? hopefully the MILHIST and football writing is still firing!  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Clan Hay
Hello Woodym555,

I am still --Inver471ness 05:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)trying to get the feel of Wikipedia, but I have made an error(s) and would appreciate your help.

1. Re Clan Hay. Origin of the Clan. I pasted this paragraph from the page "Clan Hay. Origin of the Clan" to the appropriate place in the page "Clan Hay ". However,the links did not transfer, so that needs correcting. Is that just a case of editing? If so, I can probably do that.

2. The page, "Clan Hay. Origin of the Clan " is itself a mistake. I developed it in my sandbox and then tried to move it to the page "Clan Hay"; instead, I got a new page. How should I have moved that paragraph to the Clan Hay page? Cut and paste?

3. Obviously, the new page, "Clan Hay. Origin of the Clan" should be deleted. I have read up about how to recommend that, but I am confused (again). Maybe, an administrator will notice the error. However, it would be best if we requested its deletion. Help!

Cordially,

Inver471ness

Clan Hay, Thanks
Everything looks good now. Thanks.

One question. Clan Hay has a magazine. Is it OK to submit an article based on the Wikipedia page that I wrote on Ranulf de Soulis to them for publication? The other possibility is to draw their attention to the Wikipedia article.

Cordially,Inver471ness 18:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Detroiterbot
Thanks for checking on bot behavior. I made an error in what article it was that I saw the bot had damaged. I changed it on the adminstrator's incident noticeboard page, too. It was San Diego County, California not Walla Walla, Washington. Sorry for the misdirection.--Markisgreen 16:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:Football manager last
Did you mean to delete this template - all the manager navboxes now have a rather ragged end! --Daemonic Kangaroo 19:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment about Problem
Hi Woodym555, can you please take a look this discussion in reference to images that were uploaded from WWII in Color website, the copyright status is in question and there have been many users who are part of the WikiProject Aircraft who are upset about the Wiki Policy about image licensing WP:IUP. Thank you! -TabooTikiGod 06:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment
There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 15:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what scorpio's opinion is and how it differs with mine other than that he told me he felt I should wait on my experiment. Then a couple of comments crossed and he got miffed and told me he didn't want to deal with the whole issue.  I told him I just wanted to get something going and after nothing got going, I would get it going.  It is already under way at WP:LOTD.  I had originally proposed using the WP:FC format in proposal one.  Then, people preferred the other format that later came about in proposal 1.  I understand that lists come in batches and that the variety implied by the number of lists is deceptive.  However, lists are continuing to be promoted and we have a lot to work with.  As I told him, I am willing to work with him.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 21:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I see. I think you are siding with the baseless claim over evidence.  Watch me at WP:LOTD and see if I am helping the project.  So far I have helped the majority of nominees find projects that they did not know would probably take an interest in them.  I don't understand your egotrip claim, but people can make baseless claims as they wish.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 23:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You may or may not be aware I spend a lot of time producing WP:GAs on WP. I also run a project (WP:CHICAGO).  Today's battle has been fighting a WP:BLP claim on Jon Burge that is preventing me from making a WP:GA nomination.  I spent 2.5 hours this morning cleaning it up in my own userspace to attempt to raise it to a less contestable level of citation.  I will probably spend another hour on that today.  I apologize if you feel my attempt too improve the project is wrongful for the fact that I don't dedicate my time to FL.  I will have you know that I was the one who spent about 8 hours auditing the FLs to the house in order (count went up by 8 after audit & log was corrected).  I think it is more of a glory trip to run for election on another person's idea that was slightly modified to make it look kosher.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 00:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We may not see eye to eye on this issue, but I expect you will continue to improve the project. Best of luck in that end.  I will pass by FL mostly as it intersects with my interest in WP:LOTD and help where I can.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Ogene
I was changing the tag on this from "speedy delete" to "expand" at the moment when you deleted it. Could you restore it? It is true that the present article is extremely short, but there must be some potential here, and I would like to give the creator a fighting chance to build it up. HeartofaDog (talk) 16:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. I am intrigued too: the same editor put up several stubs on Nigerian music, and although it's way out of my area it would be nice to see if they can be developed. HeartofaDog (talk) 16:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Royal Navy
Thanks for the tips. 86.145.36.42 (talk) 23:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Delete
I assumed the person replying on my talk page was the original editor. I don't understand why he was asking me about the admins actions in the first place. Regards Hammer1980 ·talk 19:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That isn't the case. He was asking about someone else. I agree with the WP:AGF part. I replied in good faith. As far as I am concerned it is finished with. No harm done. Good Luck with the article. Hammer1980 ·talk 19:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Merriman
You go ahead - but could you contact the original author? I think it would be good to involve him, he's been doing a lot of work on GCs. DuncanHill (talk) 19:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He's User:Nick mallory. Thanks for your input too, it is very much appreciated :) DuncanHill (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but I have taken exception to your comments that I maliciously accused DuncanHill on the Administrators' noticeboard of removing a tag. If you would care to read what I orginally wrote, bearing in mind I assumed he was the creator, I was advising him accordingly in a friendly polite manner. I didn't issue any warnings and was advising about the hang on tag. No disrespect but see how easy it is to be misinterpreted.  Do you honstly think I was being malicious ?  Hammer1980 ·talk 20:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Understood ! Sorry about that.  As I have mentioned on Duncan talk page, I was away from pc and it was a while since I referred to CSD. When I came back there was a message complaining about an admin so I presumed he was the original creator. 99 times out of 100 it usually is.

Nice re-write by the way. I can see why he was awarded the GC. Hammer1980 ·talk 20:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

FL class
I don't know if you saw my notice on the FL and FLC talk pages about an attempt to get an FL class added to the quality logs. Do you have any thoughts on this issue?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

League Cup 1964-65
This really is a very minor change, but in 1964-65 Villa beat Bradford in the League Cup 5th Round. I'm guessing this is the quarter-finals but on Bradford City A.F.C. seasons I've left it at the 5th round for the time being. Villa were eventually knocked out in the semis, but do you know if the 7-1 win against Bradford was the quarter-finals? Peanut4 (talk) 22:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speedy reply. It answers my question but also thanks for that link. It means I can also check a couple of FA Cup seasons too. Peanut4 (talk) 22:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's answered all my questions. But also if I ever get time I might do a list of Bradford Park Avenue seasons - partly cos my mate used to play for them and the club didn't even have any historical data. Those links will really help out to draw up a complete list if I do get time. Peanut4 (talk) 22:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Benefit consideration
Now that my project is fully up and running, I though you might want to consider the four main benefits of my method over the one that you seem to be supporting:


 * 1) There is a set of orphaned articles for persons who do not have any featured lists of their own or persons that would like to take responsibility for more. Anyone can nominate such orphans.  This benefits WP by getting people involved in list articles that might not have active editors to update them or defend them against vandalism.  Please consider adopting one of our orphans.
 * 2) Each list will be encouraged to respond to commentary and feedback during the candidacy period, which will hopefully improve the quality of the articles.
 * 3) Articles without pictures will be encouraged to find them. E.g., List of Harry Potter films cast members had no image before its nominator added an image for this experiment.  This type of thing, of course, improves the project.
 * 4) Articles are encouraged to add relevant projects to their talk page. This alerts other project to articles that they would likely have an interest in and would be able to either improve or protect.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I have added these points to the opposition section of the discussion now. I am not saying my idea is better than theirs, I am alerting those concerned to the benefits of my proposal (which now does not require voting). You seemed to be a cogent thinker, so I was going to alert you to the benefits. Then, I decided to alert everyone who voted for it. This is not a canvass violation.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Villa
Thanks for your message, will let you know if I need a hand with anything. I am trying to compile a season-by-season history of Villa but due to extreme laziness have only got as far as 1890! Regards:Villafancd

Guy
Guy has just redirected Associateship of the Camborne School of Mines without any discussion on the article's talk page. This is an article in his "list of Duncan's deleted contributions" which was not actually deleted, and I think you will understand why his actions here concern me. I am trying hard not to overreact and leap to conclusions, but am finding this hard, and would appreciate your cool head and input. Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 22:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, saw what you did just after I emailed you! Thanks again, DuncanHill (talk) 22:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have left a message at the Cornwall Wikiproject discussion page informing project members of the move. I trust this is acceptable, and that I have worded my message there appropriately. If I have acted improperly in doing this, please revert and inform me. Thanks DuncanHill (talk) 23:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

George Cross outline page
Hi there, I've set up a skeleton for producing GC articles here. If you copy and paste the text into a GC article, then drop in the content, it will produce an article formatted something like Bennett Southwell. It will do as well for newly created or existing articles and I'll try to fit it into some of the existing ones. If you have any comments, additions or suggestions please add them to the page. I'm posting this onto the user talk pages of Nick mallory, DuncanHill, Wolvereness, RHB, Woodym555, Hammer1980,David Underdown and HeartofaDog. If any of you would like to change the skeleton, please go ahead and do so! I am fairly new to Wikipedia and have probably made some gross errors. If you want to discuss any of this (and have the rest of this group see your discussion) maybe we could discuss it on the talk page for the skeleton article? Best wishes, Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk to me)  09:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Open Your Eyes (Victoria Beckham album)
Saw you were the admin to delete that, would you please delete the redirect, as well? It is at Open Your Eyes (Victoria Beckham Album). The two articles were created, and as a WP:FORK, I redirected to the proper title per WP:NAME, but just noticed it was deleted per WP:AFD, so if you could nuke the redirect that would be great. Thanks! Ariel ♥ Gold 14:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL Never mind! In the time it took me to type it up, Tikiwont deleted it ;) Ariel ♥ Gold 14:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Blocking
Hey, the anon you just blocked appears to be a vandalism-only account. Can you tell me what template is appropriate for the talk pages of such cases after indef blocking? --Kizor (talk) 14:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Facepalm* I knew that... thanks for the links, anyway. I'll have to build me a toolkit. --Kizor (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

vandalism question
if someone deletes their warnings on their talk page, am i suppose to keep reverting it, and is that in it self vandalism? C t j f 8 <font color="#60c">3  18:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * it is this user<font color="#f00">C <font color="#f60">t <font color="#ff0">j <font color="#090">f <font color="#00f">8 <font color="#60c">3  18:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ok, say he is on lvl 2, blanks it, and vands again...do i edit b4 he blanked and then add the final warning, so it shows all of them, or just add the final <font color="#f00">C <font color="#f60">t <font color="#ff0">j <font color="#090">f <font color="#00f">8 <font color="#60c">3  18:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Premier League
Do you mean the second paragraph of the "Big Four" section? A definite OR flavour, it wouldn't be missed. A title other than "Premier League problems" might be an idea too. The promoted version didn't have that section at all, just a "Premier League - Football League gulf" paragraph. I was thinking of prosifying the transfer record list. We already have British football transfer record for a complete list, and using prose would prevent the mistake edits adding Torres and other non-record transfers. Perhaps something about the progression of total club spending if I can find a suitable reference. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've had a go at converting it to prose, it might be a little rough around the edges but its better than what was there before. Oldelpaso 11:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we might be better able to deal with the edits that add a statistic or some trivia by creating Premier League statistics, where such things could be included without reducing flow (or compromising FA standards!) Plus it makes it less bitey if you can direct a new or irregular editor to another more appropriate article instead of removing their contribution outright. The Managers section is just tarted up trivia IMHO, I'm thinking of getting rid of it, or perhaps reducing it to a sentence in the Players section, appended to the part about foreign players. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Trying to write a FL
I am currently writing up Leeds United seasons in my sandbox. It is modeled on Aston Villa F.C. seasons. Just wondered if you have any feedback on it keeping in mind I'm hoping to make it a FL. Also a similar list Leeds United A.F.C. competitions record has been created, shold I delete it and make it a redirect? Buc (talk) 21:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

"You need to try and get rid of the redlinks." In what way? Unlink them or then them blue. Buc (talk) 22:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

OK I'm hopful that it can be nominated tomorrow once I've got rid of all the red links. Just a small problem that I hope you can fix. Do you think it should have the managers for each season? I added them in but another user removed them. Isn't more info better? Buc (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Woody,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Thistlegorm train parts minus red edit.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2007-12-07.  howcheng  {chat} 21:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Andrew Cunningham
As it happens, thinking about it. I'm delighted. I knew I'd contributed a photo to the article, and on looking, find I started the article in April 2004. Well done on steering it to FA! Now if I can just get an FA star to line up with the Cunningham entry in my boast sheet, I'll be most happy :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're very kind. I'll try to get one of the bust with the sun on it, rather than to the side, one day. But it is rather jaunty. I've given you a proper nod on the boast sheet; thanks again. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC).

Excellent on ABC! You must be chuffed! Glad to have been some (minor) help - must update my CV. Give a shout if you think I might be useful another time. (O'Neill for England!) Folks at 137 13:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

ABC
Hello-- glad to see this article has survived the vandalfest relatively unscathed.

Some comments have been posted at Main Page/Errors; I don't know why the critics did not go to the article talk page. I won't characterize the nature of those comments-- you can see for yourself.

Congratutations again on the article. Kablammo (talk) 23:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, well done again Woody - getting the FA is one thing, main page is another and it was great to see it there. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Leeds United A.F.C. seasons
I would like the average attendance to be an extra column on the Leeds seasons page, I was wondering what your opinion on this would be? I appreciate this isn't part of the standard for some of the major clubs season article (e.g. the "Top Four") however since It isn't available elsewhere on wikipedia I feel it may be a worthwhile addition. The average attendance was previously available, see here and the information was calculated from the results here. ChappyTC 13:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves
By the order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of your outstanding work on topics related to the Victoria Cross, notably including the creation of featured articles, featured lists, and a featured topic. For the coordinators, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 08:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

CVA-01 Picture
Thanks for that. I wasn't quite sure what they were asking for, as I don't normally deal with images. Cheers. --J.StuartClarke 15:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Gavin Donoghue
Hi, i would greatly appreciate it if you could try leaving some comments on Peer review/Gavin Donoghue/archive1.Thanks.--Sunderland06 18:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, have you had a look in to the peer review.Thanks.Sunderland06 12:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Convert and negative numbers
Convert did like negative numbers until this afternoon when I edited the wrong subtemplate. The problem has been fixed. -- Jɪmp 16:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

AVFC Featured Topic
Hey man. I've noticed you've done a really great job of getting some of the more important Aston Villa articles to FA and GA standard, so I was thinking, why don't you try to group the articles together and go for Featured Topic status. I think once you've gotten History of Aston Villa F.C. (1961-present) to at least GA status, you'll have a great chance of passing the FT criteria. – PeeJay 17:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's had that idea :-D I think I'm gonna have a go at getting some of the Man Utd articles to a decent standard myself, and see if I can get Manchester United put up as a Featured Topic. – PeeJay 18:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Congratulations on your legislative honors
Thank you for your message. To tell you the truth, it was a total surprise. I thought that I would be talking to Senator McClintock about some Medal of Honor recommendations so, I went dressed as usual and without my family. I don't think that I deserve such an honor, but I am happy that I can share it with the community. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

VandalProof
Done.  Snowolf How can I help? 15:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Leeds seasons
nominated Buc (talk) 20:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:WPF
Oh right, I always thought it was down to alphabetical order... Is there any place that the order has been specified? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK
I will help out! Mrs.EasterBunny (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC) Got to go now. Did about half of the credits. Maybe someone else will help out. It's not as time urgent as the main page, which you helped out. Thanks. Mrs.EasterBunny (talk) 21:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK credits
Hi Woody, and thanks for the DYK notification.

Just out of curiosity, are you sure you notified everyone in this round? I noticed when I looked through the credits section that there were only about half a dozen credits there, but there are nine DYK entries on the main page. So if you only notified on the basis of the credit page, you might possibly have missed a few. Gatoclass (talk) 21:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I figured you knew what you were doing. I just had a tiny doubt because I promoted one article myself this time around and forgot to credit it, so when I only saw half a dozen credtis there, I thought maybe someone else might have done the same. I just thought it wouldn't do any harm to check :) Gatoclass (talk) 21:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Villa
Hey woody, I'm kind of back! Been very very busy these last two weeks so don't really know what Iv missed - well apart from you've changed your username name! How we getting on and whats next we ready for any FAC or GA's Hope alls well. Everlast 1910 14:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:LOTD
You are the nominator of a WP:FL that was promoted in the last month. I am inviting you to participate in nominations and voting in a List of the Day experiment I am conducting at WP:LOTD.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Can anything be done about his constant canvassing? This is the third wave of messages he's sent out (that I know of) and they all seem to be going to the same people. I've told him several times that I'm not interested, yet he keeps adding messages to my talk page. -- Scorpion0422 00:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Why?
Hello Woody. Why is User:Albion moonlight ineligible to vote in Arbitration Committee Elections? He has got more than 150 edits before Nov. 1. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that.
I did not realize that I had voted twice. I knew that I had tried once before but I thought that I got the edit conflict message. Anyway it is not a big deal to me. I just wanted to make it clear that I was not being deliberately dishonest. : Albion moonlight (talk) 09:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I just (stupidly) assumed that I was eligible but that's just the way it goes. : Albion moonlight (talk) 10:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Woody. Thank you for the reply. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Good job wikifying afd
Good job. Glad you could save it. Ra2007 (talk) 16:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Your message
Thanks for your thoughts! Tony  (talk)  00:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Me, too :-) Your kindness and watchful eye is always noted and appreciated.  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Leeds seasons
Do you think you could reassess your vote on the FLC page when you can find the time. Buc (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply
It doesn't matter to me. If you feel that restarting the nom would be beneficial, then you can go ahead and do so. -- Scorpion0422 23:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Leeds seasons FLC
Hi, sorry about joining in with peer-reviewing this at FLC, especially given my initial comments where I said they should withdraw it and bring it back when it was ready. Think you're right to restart it, and sorry again for helping to cause you aggravation. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

1962 South Vietnamese Presidential Palace bombing
Hi there Woody. I've gone through and hopefully improved the article. Regards,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 09:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox advice
As an eminent editor, your advice would be appreciated. Please have a look at Arthur Tedder, 1st Baron Tedder (an understated article, IMO) and its talk page and comment on the use of the infobox. IMO infoboxes can take the load of pernickety detail out of the flow of the prose, but another ed has a differing view of their use. (Does O'Neil speak Italian?) Folks at 137 (talk) 10:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Battles of Arras (1917)
Hi, can you do me a favour please? LeadSongDog has moved FA Battle of Arras (1917) to Battles of Arras (1917). A further complication is that he has edited the article to refer to Battles of Arras throughout. What I would like to do is to revert his edits to "Battle of Arras" in the text and then move it back to the original location, without losing the history. It seems the original page needs deleting for this. Can you sort it please? The basis for the revert is that this is peer-reviewed, GA-reviewed, and FA-reviewed and no-one has suggested the name is wrong. The literature calls it "Battle of Arras". All the best, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 17:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Cheers! -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 19:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Football manager list entry
Hey man, it seems that Prolog's edit to this template broke it. Any chance you could fix it? – PeeJay 20:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

London Aviators
Hi Woody. I was just sitting there contemplating whether or not to speedy London Aviators, when you deleted it, so I thought I would share my thoughts. I've never heard of these guys who try and fly a regulated airspace using flight simulators as though they were in real space, with training and everything. Is this an unusual phenomenon, in which case maybe the article should be allowed to stay, or are there hundreds of clubs like these? DJ Clayworth (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Page protection
Hi - I have no problem against page moves and the rationale makes good sense. I had a problem with protecting against editing by new and unregistered users as against the Wikipedia philosophy - at least until the article is proven to be a vandal magnet. Thanks for letting me know though, appreciated. Regards --Matilda talk 04:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Aron Dees Article
Hi - I am new here. What are all the ways I can contact you and other editors and will the Aron Dees Entry I started will still be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JFM1582 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

King Edward's School
Thanks for your comment about my reversal of your edits. It seems to me that an encyclopaedic entry should be both about the history of the subject, and how the subject currently is. The balance in the article before I edited it, and after you edited it, is in my view too much in favour of historical aspects - the list of Old Edwardians is a bit long surely. My edit was intended to show more of the current working of the school, but is not intended as spam. There also appear to be some inaccuracies in the recent edits. For example, there are about 15 concerts a year, not 4. The use of the contraction DofE in a heading appears contrary to Wikipedia guidelines.

The bottom line is that the children and staff in the school are proud of it and want others to read about the current school as well as its history. You removed a section about diving, and living history, and removed some of the section on trips, which appears to leave the impression in your edit that much less goes on than is actually the case.

Can we perhaps replace the missing material, but agree to do so under your concatenated headings? Wikiedit7452 (talk) 18:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Good job
I see you're doing some work (e.g., keeping archived debates from receiving new votes). Good job. Just wanted to say (as such work is often unnoticed). Ra2007 (talk) 19:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Joke RfAs
These should, in due course, be speedily closed per WP:SNOW; I'm not an admin so I can't do it myself, and unfortunately they don't fit into any of the CSD criteria, otherwise I'd nominate them. --<font color="7F007F">Rodhullandemu  (please reply here - contribs) 13:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Jonny Evans
Was on the point of requesting protection when you did so. Thanks for the cookie, now I've got a spare minute I'll go and make a cup of tea to go with it :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

FARness
I guess I'd better start on the World Cup then, though it remains to be seen whether I'll have enough spare time to save it. Real life keeps getting in the way of my editing lately. Oldelpaso (talk) 22:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry for the trouble. CardinalDan (talk) 22:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
Hi woody thanks for your help! and sorry i didnt realise that was the case for the VC section! Merry Christmas!(122.107.216.22 (talk) 05:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC))

FTs
I've got List of Gillingham F.C. managers up for PR at the moment, if I can get that to GA then that's the whole "set" at GA+...... ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nuts, I wasn't aware of that. In that case if it isn't deemed to be FL-quality I'll have to try and sneak it through under that bit about "other articles have been audited for quality" or whatever it says..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to your page, Dec. 20
Hey, someone vandalized your page, so I undid their edit. If I was wrong in doing so, or if it wasn't vandalism, just let me know. RedSox2008 (talk) 01:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

James Milner FAC
It's been a month since it failed and since then I've been making a number of requests for it to be copyedited but no one seems to be able to find the time. Do you think it's worth just renominating it? Buc (talk) 21:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Is the prose any better now. Buc (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC

Cool! WB man. Anyway there is no rush because I'm working on some other things right now, the subject's manager may be sacked soon or move and I think Tony is planning to ce it when he can find the time.

But while I'm here can I request you take a look at Everton F.C. which is curently under FAR. Buc (talk) 19:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and Happy New Year
Firstly, let me wish you a very happy New Year and thank you for all your help in the Milhist Tag & Assess 2007 drive.





Secondly, although the Tag & Assess 2007 drive is now officially closed, you are very welcome to continue tagging and assessing until 31 January 2008. Any articles you tag and assess during this time will be credited fully to your tagging tally for further award purposes.

Thirdly, if you can find the time, it would be good to have your feedback/comments on the drive at the Tag & Assess workshop

Thanks again for your help, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 10:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Woody. Why did you delete an article I wrote on music manager Richard Beck?

I have been hired to do his PR and you removed everything. It took me a long time to write that up, so thanks very much.

Richard manages many successful acts and has appeared on TV so please put it back up.

The football league
Now I found the league tables on this website, which covers every season from the beginning. I think it goes in the format


 * Games played, games won, games drew, games lost, goals for, goals against, and points. Blueanode (talk) 21:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there is now The Football League 1890-91. Blueanode (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Easington Colliery A.F.C.
Cheers for rating the article, i intend to expand but information about them is really hard to come by. Thanks.  <font color="White">Sunder land <font color="White">06   21:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, about the colour bit could i use this as a citation .  <font color="White">Sunder land <font color="White">06   22:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad...
...to be back, although the holiday was great! Thanks for your message. Look forward to kicking on with some more stuff! Happy new year to you! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: J0HNNY, I replied on my talk page
JERRY talk contribs 21:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for helping out there and reminding me about the 3RR rule. That would of been embarrassing :P  Comp whiz  II  22:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC) UPDATE:God, hes doing it agian! AIV  Comp whiz  II  22:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC) Okay I'm going to step out of this one. Good Luck,  Comp whiz  II  22:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

ships as females
Thanks for you messages on my talk page. I think the issue needed to be discussed, and that it should not be hidden away in archives or in one of those purple cover-ups. I agree that the debate could have been more civil, but that's easy to say in retrospect. In a way, it was necessary to expose the emotional aspect of this aspect of the grammar to make people take it seriously. I'm not being "pointy" in saying that; this is an issue that involves what I consider to be a highly regrettable practice on WP. Tony  (talk)  01:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Dead links
Hey Woody, thanks for that. In a miraculous fluke of coincidence I was just looking at that on WP:FOOTBALL so I'll get on with it asap. Thanks for the note. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Kingston University
Thank you for the protection put on this page and the note about multiple reverts. --Mattalex (talk) 20:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC) I am copying you into my correspondence with Mattalex. Thanks for your assistance.

Sent to Mattalex: If you work for Kingston University and/or a reputation management company hired by Kingston University, you should not be involved in whitewashing factual information referenced from external sources. If you are not convinced about the veracity of the information, I would be happy to discuss the sourcing with you, but you ought not to simply remove it on your own.

I would like to resolve this matter with you in order to avoid the need for formal dispute resolution. So let's try to agree to come to some understanding regarding the inclusion of accurate information, even if you find it to be unflattering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.51.176 (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I hoped that you would semi-protect the article, at least slowing down the ip's desire to insert his/her POV constantly. I realise that you could've banned people for their revert-tastic ways and I'm glad you didn't. Full protection is perhaps the least worst solution. Having been involved in an unbelievably inane article conflict aaaaaaages ago, I have no interest in teaching a pig to sing, again. I just didn't want to see libels edited into that article, over and over. Thanks, Mrfixter (talk) 01:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC).

Crocker Motorcycle page
Woody, Thanks for your help. Someone had to step in and take control.

Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.16.223 (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Woody,

I do not need to edit the Crocker page further at this time. The saved version describes the Company without battle or issue. That description was and is sound. Be sure that Karalash will revert to his version when allowed and I will have no choice but to change the description to an accurate one. If you cannot see who the vandal is in this case, please discuss this with the other editors. Karalash is trying to damage both Crocker and I. I will be glad to send you the Affidavits of both Karalash and I. The content should clear up any questions as to what is going on. If you allow Karalash to accuse me of stealing on line without proof, you will be promoting defamation and slander to both Crocker Motorcycle Company and I. I am sure that this is not what Wikipedia is all about? Thanks

Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.16.223 (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Rome: Total War 7 day RFP
Thanks for the semi-protect. I asked for help on the issue here as the vandal is using a dynamic IP. Other than page protection, how would you deal with this kind of vandal? Broken Sphere Msg me 20:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I've raised the issue on the article's talk page. The vandal is apparently pro-Hannibal, because they keep the mention of Julius Caesar, who's also mentioned in the same sentence, as just that. I've been throwing level 3 warnings at them now, but I wonder if they even see these and/or just move on to another IP address to keep making their POV edit. Broken Sphere Msg me 21:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll try leaving a hidden message to discuss in that sentence when the block expires after they make another change and will let you know if it gets ignored. -- Broken Sphere Msg me 21:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

An update. The usual suspects are back and continuing the same pattern of behavior, hidden messages notwithstanding. Although the IP making the Hannibal POV edits is now in Kentucky. Maybe back in school? -- Broken Sphere Msg me 22:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Woody, can you explain to me why you only protect the RTW page for a short period? Mallerd (talk) 21:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, thanks :) Mallerd (talk) 16:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: +FA -A
Ah, no problem; I just happen to recognize most of the titles since I do the bulk of the A-Class closings. :-) Kirill 22:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

A&W Root Beer
I was wondering if you could peer review the A&W Root Beer article. I wish to make sure that it gets peer reviewed, as I have been working on this article fr a while now. Thanks, - ~VNinja~ 23:07, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea
I know. It's wikistalking and I'll take it up at 3rr and ani if it goes on. Eusebeus (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to protect. there are another half dozen editors who will revert should I fall foul of 3RR on that page. Thanks for being diligent! Eusebeus (talk) 07:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Adding others to CAT:AOTR
From the automated tracking page: That confuses me a bit. It may be best to allow admins to add themselves, it's a voluntary category. ++Lar: t/c 16:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) User:Bearian added to Category:Wikipedia_administrators_open_to_recall. On 22:48, 07 January 2008 by Woody.
 * 2) User:Aqwis added to Category:Wikipedia_administrators_open_to_recall. On 22:47, 07 January 2008 by Woody.
 * I didn't add them, I merely amended the cats to show their names alphabetically. Bearian diff, Aqwis diff. (Just as Krimpet didn't re-add everyone into the category, he just recreated the category). Woody (talk) 16:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. Krimpet's adds were because she was implementing the restore after the DRV. ++Lar: t/c 17:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, that was my point... ;) (Obviously not well made). Woody (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well adding everyone in the category all at once didn't raise my eyebrows but adds of just two people did... :) Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 21:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Montenegro protection
The question was actually closed on the article's talk page. There is only one anon that keeps constantly bumping, despite the in-warning following the language bit in the article - furthermore, his version is protected, which means that he will not return and discuss regarding the article either - the protection goes at his benefit.

Any idea for a solution? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I indeed have suggested a while ago semi-protection over at WP:RFPP, but the explanation given was that it's not yet critical enough...and I knew it was going down this road. :( --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow
This! We both settled on a week! :) Acalamari 18:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny, I was thinking the same thing. :) Acalamari 18:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Osment
Ok. Didn't realize that "revert rule." Thanks. I can't believe someone objects to the fact that Osment was driving a 1995 Saturn when he had his wreck and DUI. It's a fact. I've found some people on wikipedia to be quite rude, especially a few of the admin types. Why is this? OddibeKerfeld (talk) 18:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I won't enter the Saturn again. What personal attacks? I never attacked anyone. OddibeKerfeld (talk) 20:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

On "edit warring"
I refrained from "edit warring" for 48 hours in response to your comment on my talk page, and all that happened is that the other "side" in this "war" became more aggressive and destructive. I don't believe what I've been doing is any more than opposing organized vandalism. Certainly repeated de facto deletions like this and this  can reasonably only be described as vandalism. And comments like this and this (note the edit summary)  and this  can only be described as flagrant, deliberate violations of Wikipedia's policies regarding civility and personal attacks -- with no meaningful enforcement of those policies. The editor who made those comments, who has along, disturbing history of harassing other Wikipedia editors in an effort either to drive them away, or provoke uncivil responses frovoking admin action, refuses to even acknowledge that his actions violate policy, deletes admin warnings from his talk page , and uncivilly mocks editors who cite his comments, regarding me and others, as inappropriate.

Now how about protecting the unvandalized forms of City_of_Bones, Pee-wee's Playhouse Christmas Special, and The Mortal Instruments Trilogy, and take some appropriate action against the clear violators of Wikipedia policies involved in this dispute? VivianDarkbloom (talk) 23:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

AVFC FT
Hey, following on from what ChrisTheDude is doing with Gillingham and what I think MattyTheWhite can do with York, how about trying to get Villa up to Featured Topic? I don't think you're far off already... I'm intending to get Ipswich (and possibly Norwich with Dweller) up to FT this year so I was just thinking it'd be pretty cool for WP:FOOTBALL to get five or six FT's... what do you think? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for welcome
Heh, thanks for the welcome. Nnkx00 (talk) 06:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Just a little, but I appreciate it nonetheless. :) Nnkx00 (talk) 01:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for watching out for my page. Ra2007 (talk) 22:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

TrackerSuite.Net entry deletion
Hello,

Your recently (well, today actually) deleted an entry I made for one of my company's products, TrackerSuite.Net, as 'blatant advertising'. I understand the need for Wikipedia to remain spam-free, and it wasn't my intention to enter anything other than an factual summary of what our product and its features. There are numerous software vendors who have posted entries about their companies and products: Basecamp (software), Journyx, Artemis (software), Microsoft Project, ProjectInsight, JIRA (software), Central Desktop, Teamwork (software) and others. There are several pages on Wikipedia such as Comparison of time tracking software and List of project management software, both of which we offer products for, that require listed products to be be Wikipedia entries.

I believe I kept our entry content factual as opposed to promotional. Please let me know specifically what you objected to, so that I can make corrections and submit our entry alongside the other software vendors and their products.

Regards,--KarsKormak (talk) 22:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, Thank you for your reply. Aside from the statement that it is a modular product, which can be easily changed, were there any other portions you considered promotional as opposed to factual content?


 * "The Personnel Tracker.Net module is a required component of any TrackerSuite.Net configuration." - I do not understand your complaint that this sounds like it came from a technical manual. It is neither promotional, nor untrue.


 * I appreciate your offer to post our entry as a sub-page, however, Wikipedia's policy page on the subject indicates that sub-pages are intended for temporary or transitional material.


 * I did post an external reference to our product, which is fairly new. Is there a minimum number of external references required for a Wikipedia entry?--KarsKormak (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
Yes, thanks Woody. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

History of Aston Villa F.C. (1961–present)
Hey Woody, I've left some pretty extensive comments on the talk page which should help with your quest for GA. Feel free to shout at me if you need anything more...! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, the Villa article does seem to be attracting a bit of a sod but nothing we can't handle I reckon. Let's leave it for now and just revert on sight - I've blocked both "prick" IPs so we'll just have to be careful when they get back online.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As always, no worries! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Glen Maxey
Thanks for noting the block of the user. I'll be keeping an eye on it and will post on it again if the person keeps coming back to mess with the entry (we think we know who it is locally but I guess in today's politics this is something we have to deal with now). Amplifiedlight (talk) 19:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Leeds
I guess you have to go with what the majority want. But I had hope I would be able to compromises with the ongoing season note. It's sad really I really wanted this list to be a FL. Buc (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I certainly wouldn't support any FL noimination for it. Buc (talk) 23:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

aargh
Tryin' to put your little note above mine? How egocentric! - PeaceNT (talk) 20:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol, you (really) didn't get conflicted? Well, the MediaWiki must have packed up I guess. ;) - PeaceNT (talk) 21:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, but I've got no idea how to see that precise stats. Anyhow, never mind - PeaceNT (talk) 21:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Leeds seasons
Hey Woody, do me a favour and review the article when you get a chance will you? This is close to FL so I'm going to push it there. It'd be good to iron out any outstanding issues before I put it up at FLC. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Woody, a double check would be good. I didn't think the PR would be this detailed but I guess that was what went wrong last time!  I'll see you at the article! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Woody. Villa stats reviewed at the PR.  I'll see if I can get some more time to re-review the late history section.  No need to list at GAN, if I think it's good enough I'll promote it without having to go through that.  No reason not to!  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Woody, started going through the history article and felt that a few of my previous comments might not have been dealt with. Can you do me a favour (boring I know) but can you check off all the points and make sure you've done them?  I've found quite a few points in the current lead already so before I continue could you just revisit the last comments?  Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Rudget!
<div style="background-color: white; border: #5B92E5 solid 2px; margin-bottom:.5em; padding: 5px; font-family: trebuchet ms, sans-serif;"><font color="#084C9E">Dear Woody, my sincere thanks for your support in my second request for adminship, which ended with 113 supports, 11 opposes, and 4 neutral. I would especially like to thank my admin coach and nominator, Rlevse and Ryan Postlethwaite who in addition to Ioeth all inspired me to run for a second candidacy. I would also like to make a special mention to Phoenix-wiki, Dihyrdogen Monoxide and OhanaUnited who all offered to do co-nominations, but I unfortunately had to decline. I had all these funny ideas that it would fail again, and I was prepared for the worst, but at least it showed that the community really does have something other places don't. Who would have though Gmail would have been so effective? 32 emails in one week! (Even if it does classify some as junk :P) I'm glad that I've been appointed after a nail biting and some might call, decision changing RFA, but if you ever need anything, just get in touch. The very best of luck for 2008 and beyond, Rudget . 16:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for putting the FLC box on the talk page for the List of the birds of North Carolina. Can't believe that I forgot. Oh well. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Leeds seasons FLC
Woody. I've gone and done it and nominated it. Hopefully you'll feel that you can support, but obviously if there's anything outstanding don't hesitate to bring it to the FLC. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, so you beat me to it by seven minutes! Eagle eyes...!  Cheers.  Joint effort all round.  The Rambling Man (talk) 22:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the key. I think if I can do one thing around here, it's communicate.  So this, should it make it, ought to be a weeny bit of bronze star for about a half a dozen editors.  A great example of WP:FOOTBALL collaboration.  Oh, and I'll kick on with the Villa stuff when I get a moment tomorrow.  Best to you, The Rambling Man (talk) 23:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
No problem at all. Most deserving, I can assure you! :-) The lists have desperately needed attention. I personally cannot conceive of a British Army VC list ever being created, I really can't! We can only hope an intelligent, dynamic bot is designed soon ;-). SoLando (Talk) 23:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would certainly be interested in rendering whatever assistance would be welcomed. Perhaps embarking on a campaign of stub creation to blue'ify the lists? Have you assembled an unformatted "dump" of names or are you labouriously collecting them individually? There's always the archive repository at . Regards, SoLando (Talk) 09:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I speculated that with the magic of C & P, the process might perhaps be less time-consuming. I'll start linking at discretion. Blue is aesthetic ;-). Regards, SoLando (Talk) 16:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Woody, are you monitoring Kevin Keegan? In the words of the protagonist of a once popular television programme - oh boy! ;-) SoLando (Talk) 17:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Question
One small question, I was thinking of adding a list of "Unsuccessful nominees" to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame page. There is a source Although it is sort of a fansite (but if needed, I'll likely be able to find articles) and there have only been something like 30 that have been nominated by never inducted. So, I was wondering if you thought I should give the section a try, or just leave it to official inductees. -- Scorpion0422 01:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
My request for adminship was successful at 64/1/2! Many thanks for your participation and I will endeavor to meet your expectations. Cheers, <font face="Verdana"> Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 09:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! (re my old username)
Thanks for that! Now I know why Ralbot left those messages... gah, I forgot to remove myself from the spamlist! Please can you fully-protect my old username/user talk page (of, now a doppelganger), since it should need no further editing! Thanks, --<b style="color:green;">Solumeiras</b> <sup style="color:blue;">talk 12:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: WP:ERROR
Oh, no problem. I didn't think your reply was blunt at all; I'm always aware that how words appear on screen are often not as they were intended. Reading some of my old edit summaries back to myself I come across as a bit of an arse, when in almost all cases they were intended tongue-in-cheek. Anyway, all the best, Liquidfinale (Ţ) (Ç) (Ŵ) 15:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Protecting Kangaroo
Would extending it really prevent the vandalism? It appears (looking through the history) that the mass of the vandal edits are compiled by the same editors. Regards, Rudget . 17:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you're right. We may as well let it run it's course now. Thanks. Rudget . 17:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: WP:ERROR
Yes, but the timer said "Time since last update: -1 hours". That is fixed now. <font face="Trebuchet MS"> WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN play it cool.  22:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay, it was fine when I looked at it. In that case someone didn't refresh the clock at Template:DYK-Refresh when they updated the page. You can do it next time by clicking the reset clock when on the Template:DYK-Refresh page. Woody (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Telemann's 1716-1717 whatever

 * That page looks like it may be vanity (re: username). You're sure it should be kept? JuJube (talk) 10:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

BA flight 38 news
It looks like I was one of 3 people who started articles on this. My article was quickly merged & redirected by User:Edward which was good. I come back an hour later and the article history doesn't reflect the early article creation history that I remember. What happened? Astronaut (talk) 15:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Villa recent history
Hey Woody, close to GA now. I've added a few more comments to the talk page. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Salting
Hi,

I'm always late to learning these things, but I did notice that a few days ago. Since I'm plagued by inertia, I won't switch over until I think things through a bit (examine the appropriate policy page, with a particular eye to the question of how long such protections should be.) I'll probably get around to it before the end of the month, anyway. I'm dim-witted, but I've learned to accept it. :) Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 15:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Villa later days history
Good work, I've promoted to GA now. I'll have another look over the records article and see what Naphit's saying too. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Unblock
Thanks for the unblock. I'll have to find out who has been making all those edits on this IP. <font face="Futura Lt BT" size="3"> Diligent Terrier • <font face="Impact" size="2">talk | sign here 23:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Banners/Bannershells
Hope you're well Woody. I noticed that you changed the way the wikiprojects are nested on the Ugo Ehiogu talk page - is one way considered better than the other or is it down to personal preference? Just wondered, as I'd not really seen any guidelines or anything, but I have been using the method that shows/hides all wikiprojects with one click. Jameboy (talk) 01:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Cream Legbar
No, I don't mind, though I think the article as it stood was poorly written to the point that it appeared incomprehensible if someone happened to just skim it, like I did. Don't mind me anyway, the links you've shown me do establish the legitimacy of the subject, please feel free to restore and improve the page. You're absolutely correct here. My apologies, - PeaceNT (talk) 13:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Villa
Hey there Woody you have been busy!!! Must say its a great read the second history section. Iv been very busy with work but the last few days been crippled with this bug thats going about its dreadful i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy its that bad! I will start getting back into the swing of things soon-ish i guess. Once again well done and hope all is well! Andy Everlast 1910 17:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey there i can't get to sleep cause of this bug! So i added a couple of images to the records page if you think theres to many by all means remove them. Looking at it IMO i think it does break the article up nicely! Anything else need doing on the article like anything need ref'ing or adding? Everlast 1910 00:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Its dreadful you can't barely swallow so when you go to sleep you can for about 3 hours wake up and you nearly choke. Thanks anyway buddy! I guess to get a featured topic we need to get the minor article likes - Bodymoor Heath, Derby and Reserves to GA? Is that actually possiable? Everlast 1910 00:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You know what its like the some people will argue against it won't they guess its up to us to make them see sense - Also the Ladies! Is it possiable on the Template to have like a see also section or related articles? And move them into a Disambiguation page like the history one, which lists them? If that makes sense? Everlast 1910 00:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with your as you said even though you put (ha) tut we are a bigger club than Gillingham thus have more info. Everlast 1910 01:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think sky would disagree isn't Newcastle the biggest club in the world ever with the biggest history *whistle smiley thing* ;). Everlast 1910 01:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Template fix request
Ok, done. Kirill 20:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Football
Oh, yeah! I can't believe I didn't see that. Sorry. Basketball<font color="#FFA500">110  21:08, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Woody, thanks for keeping an eye on the FAC templates and responding to the queries on talk; I have limited, slow dialup access here in the mountains, so there's not much I can do 'til I'm home. I'm afraid I'd make a mistake if I tried to open six tabs to promote/archive. Regards, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Trigguh
Looks like you granted this user's unblock request, but their block log shows no unblock. Just bringing that to your attention, seems a bit ambiguous. – Luna Santin  (talk) 10:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the unblock
Thanks :) Trigguh (talk) 14:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for lifting the block on my IP! -=Eduardo=- (talk) 18:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Main page image
Thanks for letting me know- I had just messaged NE2 as well... Oh well, as long as it has been removed. J Milburn (talk) 19:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a collage. Check the source. -- Bellwether B  C  20:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What map images are acceptable then? -- Bellwether B  C  20:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hi. Sorry I did that deletion. I don't even know who did it it wasn't me. :) TheGamingMaster (talk) 20:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Thank You. ElGamingMaster (talk) 21:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Issue
No, not possible; checkuser relies on server logs which aren't available to outsiders. There are, of course, a variety of ways in which a sufficiently clever and malicious individual could obtain one's IP address without the use of such tools. Kirill 04:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

If you're reading this message...
...then it worked. Thanks! Lankiveil (complaints 13:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Santa Anna
Thanks for trying, Woody; in a way, I'm quite proud of the fact that I managed to screw it up so bad that I dragged an admin down with me! User:PeaceNT fixed everything. --barneca (talk) 19:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:
I've responded at my talkpage.  →Dust  Rider →  20:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * In fact i'll erase the deletion tag's on those pages.  →Dust  Rider →  20:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Done/Not done
They're gone! :-) ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

FIFA ec
we ec'd on FIFA - I'm going out for an app't now. Almost every source in "Records and statistics" was missing date and author, but I didn't want to override on ec. Best, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Brewin, Brewin = Brewin, John. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Milner
James Milner has just had a ce. I wondered if you could proofread when you get the chance. Buc (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Please reply to me on the PR.

Favour return time?
Hey Woody, just put Portman Road up at FAC and was hoping you might find some time to review the article and comment accordingly? Like you, I'm trying for (eventually) a featured topic, for ITFC in my case, so this is another inevitable article which must gain the confidence of the community...! Cheers if you can, cheers if you can't, all the best! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers for the comments Woody, I've done what I think is needed... all the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Woody, thanks for your comments and support. Would you mind too much if I "hid" your comments now they're resolved in one of those neat collapsable template things?  Would make the FAC a little less cluttered.  Cheers again! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice work, thanks. Goodness knows what I'd done wrong, it said in the template the ISO date should not be wikilinked.  Oh well!  Live and learn.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam
<div style="background-color: white; border: #5B92E5 solid 2px; margin-bottom:.5em; padding: 5px; font-family: trebuchet ms, sans-serif;"><font color="#084C9E">, I wish to tender my sincere thanks for your support in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 37 supports, 2 opposes, and 2 neutral. The results of the RfA are extremely bittersweet because of the recent departure of my nominator, Rudget. Hopefully I can live up to his and your expectations. I would especially like to thank Epbr123 and TomStar81 for mentioning that they were preparing to offer me a nomination. The past week has been one of the most stressful weeks in my life, and I appreciate your vote of confidence in me. If you ever need anything, just get in touch. -MBK004 21:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Woody, Thank you for the clean up you did on my article on Stephen Cohn. It looks very clear and well defined. I believe, also, that your work answered all of the critiques of the aritcle regarding references. I'm wondering why the tag is still there. Do you know what else needs to be done to get the tag removed? 68.190.209.117 (talk) 23:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Woody, thank you again for your help. The tag is gone. I believe it is due to your efforts.68.190.209.117 (talk) 21:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

HMS Blanche
Woody Do you have a copy of Colledge? Do you know anybody who does? If so, could you have a look at HMS Blanche? Thanks very much. Shem1805 (talk) 10:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Woody - thanks for your help - Shem1805 (talk) 19:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Villa articles
Stats & records: as to FLC, it wouldn't do any harm to submit it. If it passes then it's one more star to add to your FT bundle (and the rest of us will then know what style to adopt :-)), and if it doesn't, it's already had a peer review, and more people would have a look at it if you announced you were planning FT candidacy, as they did with the Gillingham one.

As to style, I haven't had a proper look at the Liverpool one yet, though did notice it seems to have copied your lead section, or else you both copied from the same source. Think ideally I'd prefer somewhere between the two styles. It's a stats and records article, so the subject matter lends itself to lists/tables within the article, but if you want lists/tables unrelieved by any prose you might as well read the News of the World football annual. Though I think Liverpool's goes too far with having only prose for the Club records. And the squad numbers isn't necessary. This is all a matter of personal taste, though.

One thing I didn't mention at PR was in the Honours section, I think you ought really to include runners-ups as well. Obviously in the Honours bit in the main club article there isn't room, but there's plenty of space here, and they're a more significant part of the records of the club than, for instance, the fact that the delightful Mr Alpay kicked a ball in the 2002 World Cup.

Recent history: that's the one that doesn't mention the 1963 League Cup, isn't it? I'll try and have a look over the weekend sometime, if that's OK. Had a quick glance and there's a fair few typos (unnecessary capitals, small words missing), would you rather I just fixed those? obviously I'd bring anything non-trivial to your attention. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I've had a look at the sections from Instability to European Champions, seem remarkably gloating-free :-) Done a very light copyedit on those sections, and will have a look at the rest and then the lead, possibly later today or tomorrow. A few comments follow.

Instability.
 * Time someone wrote the 1961 Football League Cup article, by the way. Can things act as a pinnacle?
 * do you have coaching networks? structure, perhaps
 * does your reference note 12 cover all the fans' calling for the board to go stuff etc?
 * sacked Cummings - who's Cummings?
 * paragraph's very long, could it be sensibly split?

Rebuilding.
 * would raised £200,000 read better than brought in £200,000 to the club?
 * Why Nevertheless?
 * Should it be owner Pat Matthews? should it be shareholders, or is "supporters" right (I don't know the way the club worked)?
 * The club's centenary season para needs a good copyedit. In particular Throughout the season Graydon along with Brian Little netted 21 goals between them. Is that a typo, or if not, is 21 between them worth mentioning? Either way it reads awkwardly.

European football.
 * don't like upfront
 * had the victories really come at the expense of the league position, or were Villa just going on the way they started (article says started badly, midtable at christmas)?

European Champions and subsequent decline.
 * remain to this day... which day would that be?

hope some of this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

and there's more...

Villa in the Premiership.
 * sentence starting Whilst being forbidden... doesn't seem to make sense.
 * Does the "variety of pressures" sentence need the same reference twice?
 * sentence about seventh-placed club is confusing (I know what it means, but it doesn't really say it)
 * If despite the sale of Yorke is worth remarking re them reaching the top of the Prem, should Yorke's importance not have had a mention somewhere before?
 * The break between the first two paras seems to come at an arbitrary point. Suggest reorganising the first two paras into three: Atkinson, Little, and Gregory.
 * Chronology goes a bit awry: Gregory slags off Ellis Nov 2001; a year later Gregory quits; (next para) after Gregory's sudden resignation in January 2002.
 * eighth place, which was similar to most of their other Premiership finishes could be reworded.
 * Balaban: poor signing, undoubtedly, but you only owned him 2.5 seasons, one of which was spent on loan back at Dinamo Zagreb, so made only eight substitute appearances in three seasons is a touch inaccurate.
 * don't suppose you have a reference for the players' statement?
 * BBC reference doesn't mention Aitken caretaking.

Lerner era.
 * This section strikes me as overly detailed (understandably so, obviously the takeover is highly significant but it isn't easy to avoid excess detail when writing about recent stuff, which is why I try to avoid it). I realise that after Ellis your lot are bound to regard Lerner as some sort of god, but do we really need the names of all his angels non-executive directors? The advantage of recent stuff is that there are plenty of references about, and you could do with a few more.
 * O'Neill quote reference is a dead link
 * may want to mention fans' dissatisfaction with Ellis (cite the protests) before he actually goes. The RTE reference is from 2004.
 * if you need so much detail on Lerner's progress to buying the shares, you need to reference it all. And it uses the word announced five times in five sentences.
 * Soon after his arrival Lerner was linked with rumours surrounding the sponsorship deals at Villa Park. One rumour was the proposed £100million sponsorship deal, that would give Martin O'Neill funds for future transfer windows. ???

just the lead to go, might have to wait till tomorrow now. hope some of this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

integration
I made integration in association football with valid source: you are in error!!!! FIFA's source pertinet television's audience is a ridiculous propaganda's lier: you can remove that source rightly!!!!--PIO (talk) 17:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

FIFA World Cup
No problem. Actually I removed the statement about a large group of players playing four World Cups, 'cos I don't find it important, while on the other hand, Pele winning three World Cups should be mentioned as he's the only one, regardless of how many World Cups he played. So by only mentioning Pele without mentioning those other playes, you're not glorifying Pele over those players, you're just glorifying Pele! (which we should....) Chanheigeorge (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Infobox conversion
I'd just use Infobox Military Unit; people have been using it for branches for a while now, and there haven't been any major complaints. Some of the fields will be removed, but they're not really relevant to a particular branch anyways. Kirill 22:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Award
Hey Woody, thanks for the content review award! I've been really enjoying that recently, there's a constant flow of football, cricket, NFL and other weird things (List of West Midlands railway stations and Golden Film to name but two) that interest me sufficiently to go to town with the comments. As ever, let me know if you'd like me to work on anything specific. Cheers again, The Rambling Man (talk) 08:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hi ... I ve just got DYK ready to go I think (Im a very new admin). I notice you were editting recently and have done this before. Could you help? A lesson? Im willing to do the credits Victuallers (talk) 12:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC) THanks! Downloading the image is that just 'copy and load' ie ... nothing clever? Victuallers (talk) 12:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thx. OK I looked at the image you loaded and its protection. Do you just copy it onto the template?Victuallers (talk) 12:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC) thanks! for your help. Ive archived it. Is it just the credits now? If so then thanks for your help Victuallers (talk) 12:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC) Final thanks Victuallers (talk) 12:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Formalities
I got back rather late last night and was in no fit state to do anything except fall into bed, I'm afraid. I've now answered the three questions and formally accepted the nomination, so it's over to you to transclude and get the first vote in :) Thanks very much, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 14:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Bad news
Dude : User:Woody/Sandbox/Roger is part linked to the main RfA page - causing Roger's Username to go Red  on his RfA........ !!! Pedro : Chat  16:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks all okay now! Fantastic candidate by the way - should be an easy ride at RfA for once (fingers crossed). Nice one. Pedro : Chat  16:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:WalterBryanEmery.jpg
Hello, Woody. I see you recently removed the "no source" tag from Image:WalterBryanEmery.jpg, claiming that a source was provided. It is true that the image description lists http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/egypt/egyptian.htm as a "source", but I tagged this image as having no source because I very much doubt that calgarycoin.com is actually the copyright holder to this image. This particular photo of Walter Bryan Emery is found in many places on the Internet ; calgarycoin.com is just one of them, and they don't explain where they got it. I've restored the "no source" tag. Should I do something else? —Bkell (talk) 01:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Villa stats article
Hi, Just had another look at Aston Villa F.C. statistics and records, and it appears your sortable tables don't sort. It's something to do with the source information row at the bottom. I assumed adding class="sortbottom" to that line (as per Help:Sorting) would cure it but it doesn't. I think the problem may be something to do with the colspan, because if that row is replaced by a row containing 8 columns, the sortbottom thingy works OK. It says in Help:Sorting that Javascript sorting may not work properly on tables with cells extending over multiple rows and/or columns, I'd have thought that wouldn't apply to a row excluded from sorting, but perhaps it does. Or perhaps I've missed something blindingly obvious. not sure this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Football kit FAC
Hi Woody

You made some excellent comments at this FAC, which I think I've now actioned. Would you be prepared to come back and take another look?

Many thanks! ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply
In unblocking I wasn't saying Eusebeus was right, I was saying the block was unjustified - two very different assertions. I'm not in a position to judge the former one way or another, and if I did, you can be sure exactly half of those involved would vociferously disagree with me. Blocking should always be a last resort except in cases of absolute and clear vandalism, harassment or egregious BLP violations. Orderinchaos 23:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, we don't - WP:BLOCK is quite clear that it is a last resort. If we followed the "block to stop disruption" (one man's disruption is another's repair), conflict in this place would be 100 times more violent than it already is. We had a new admin recently who got in a lot of hot water very quickly over using narrow interpretations of policy to block established contributors. In addition, it has sullied the block log of a previously spotless contributor for absolutely no additional gain to the encyclopaedia. We have lost excellent and long term contributors over poorly justified blocks in the past. Orderinchaos 23:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough (I feel much the same). Re veiled threats: the above was in entirely general terms, we're both third parties to the action and I apologise for any implication that I was making a threat of any kind. Orderinchaos 00:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries - yeah that happens. :) And for me, Australian geography and WA politics - highly uncontroversial areas. In the latter I'm pretty much the only editor covering the topic. Anyway, have a good sleep. Orderinchaos 01:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

RFA
Just a quick note to thank you very much indeed for your input thus far. I really appreciate it: ) -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 10:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
I am not one for sending round pretty pictures, but after my recent RfA, which passed 68/1/7, I am now relaxed and this is to thank you for your support. I will take on board all the comments made and look forward to wielding the mop with alacrity. Or two lacrities. --<font color="7F007F">Rodhullandemu  (Talk) 21:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)