User talk:Worm That Turned/Archive 15

Hi
If possible, could you adopt me? I'm already adopted but I need extra help. Please tell me how I can do the test (example: copy in my userspace, on the actual document, etc.) Thanks, Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 21:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Tomtomn00, feel free to leave a message on my talk page any time you need any assistance. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  00:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fate decreed that Worm is mostly not around at weekends, and also that weekends is exactly when most people need his help!


 * We may not have much time to lose...


 * Worm has sometimes run the formal adoptee course for adoptees of mine, so I'm going to return the favour. Using a slightly different nomenclature to avoid stepping on ItsZippy's toes.


 * Tom, I should warn you that the adoption course is not just a single test - it is a series of lessons, one test for each lesson. But, it can be fun! See User:Demiurge1000/Mentoring/Tomtomn00 if you would like to give it a try. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What a fantastic solution. I'm still rather overloaded, but would have found this to be a case that was difficult to turn down - I'm glad that Demiurge has managed to jump in! I'll watchlist the page, see if there's anything I can add, but I think Demiurge will be more than capable here! WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure! --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 16:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi, I wish to be adopted by you. I am a relatively new editor (about ~150 edits) and although I know basic wiki markup, I still have much to learn about the Wikipedian world. May I be please be adopted? Drla8th! (talk) 23:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Worm has been too busy to take on new adoptees recently. There is always a chance he'll be able to, but if he isn't I could administer Worm's adoption program to you after I take my finals in two weeks.  I've been a little spotty in my editing frequency recently, but I should be very active once I am done with school.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  23:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks, Ryan. But shouldn't you say that to the user above (section:"hi") also? Drla8th! (talk) 23:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't even notice that, I'll check the other user out too. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  23:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a slightly different request, and I'll let Worm answer that himself. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  00:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I hope to get started with you soon! =) Drla8th! (talk) 00:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, feel free to drop by my talk page with any questions. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  14:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Drla8th!, welcome to Wikipedia! I'm not sure how much adopting Ryan has done in the past, but I can tell you he's very knowledgable and very fast to learn. He'll make an excellent adopter. If either of you need any help though, do feel free to drop by! WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Worm That Turned/Magic Formula
I have used this to help an editor who wishes to be admin in future. I used it here: User_talk:Soviet_King I hope that you don't mind if I use it for future references. If you have a problem, should I create my own which would be similar to yours but not copyvio or are you okay with it? Best Regards :)  Yash  t  101   14:26, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, I write things to be used and I don't mind if they are. Having said that, I also answered Soviet King's question regarding adminship on Pesky's page, I wonder how similar our answers were... WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Sardul Sikander
Hello, please help. I recently moved a page Sardool Sikander to Sardul Sikander (over redirect), I want to undo/revert it. Please tell me how to do so or do it for me. I want Sardul Sikander to be a redirect to Sardool Sikander, not the page title. TariButtar (talk) 02:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorted. I just moved it back - I don't know if you can do that if you're not an admin (moving over a redirect). Anyway, in future, to create a redirect, just create a new page and type


 * 1) REDIRECTpage link
 * Where "page link" is the name of the page you want to redirect to. Let me know if you get stuck! WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Mail
-- Drla8th! (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Random Question
Why is it that a lot of Wikipedia places have strange names such as the Village Pump, the Teahouse, the Noticeboard and the Sandbox? Those things and places can't exist on the internet. Androzaniamy (talk) 11:15, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not? Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a quirk. They exist on Wikipedia so ergo they exist on the internet. Maybe you could ask why at the Village pump and see their response? Thanks  J e n o  v a  20 18:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The idea stems from the concept that Wikipedia is like a town: Jimbo is the mayor, the admins the policemen (even though they are more like janitors) and there is a noticeboard for announcments, a Teahouse to have a cup of tea and get welcomed in, sandbox to play in... Search me for the village pump though :P. See also WP:Wikiville.  Rcsprinter  (tell me stuff)  18:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think when everyone had to go out to the Village Pump for their water, it would be a place to gossip and exchange information while waiting in the queue, so it's a place which belongs to everyone and where people can exchange ideas. Pam  D  19:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's supposed to be the old-timey town equivalent of the "office water cooler". Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Looking at the Oxford English Dictionary, it says that "Village pump" is "a village's communal water pump; freq. used allusively (cf. parish pump n.)", and for "Parish pump" it says "The pump supplying water to a parish, esp. regarded as an informal place of meeting and discussion for members of the parish". So it's a long-established, if nowadays not-much-recognised, turn of phrase! (And to all our readers in the UK: your local public library service almost certainly offers you online access to the wonderful Oxford English Dictionary, from your home or wherever you're online - go to the library's web pages and look for some heading like "Online resources" and you'll find it there, you just need to put in your library barcode number. Also access to archives of The Times, Dictionary of National Biography, and lots of other wonderful stuff. Useful for Wikipedia or other things in life!) Pam  D  19:15, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Amy. I wish I had something to add to the comments above, but they seem to cover everything. Basically, wikipedia has a tradition of using real world examples to help people relate to what they're trying to do. The village pump is a community version of the water cooler, where people can gossip... but sort of turned into a place for all proposals, policy changes and so on. Anyway, some good answers above :) WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ooh! Iget it! So it's a way of relating places in Wikipedia to real life places and things. I still don't get the relation between a Sandbox and an actual box of sand. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Kids play in a sandbox, you can do whatever you want. That relates to Wikipedia's sandbox because it allows you to make test edits with nothing considered vandalism.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  16:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's actually a computer development term, too: see Sandbox (software development). It's a place where you can test out new code and things without negatively affecting anything else.  The etymologyis, as Ryan says, from a kid's place to play around in and do whatever. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You can use a real sandbox to build a real sandcastle. You can use the Wikipedia sandbox for preparing to write an article about sandcastles. Or a real one like Dudley Castle. If you want to test your new tools to build a sandcastle you use a sandbox. If you want to use your new twinkle/rollback/reviewer privileges you can use Wikipedia's digital sandbox. Thanks  J e n o  v a  20 16:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It depends on recognising that "Sandbox" is US-speak for sandpit - so a safe place to play around and build things. Pam  D  07:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And interestingly that isn't even thought to be the "Primary usage" of "Sandbox", which leads to a a disambiguation page - and the first entry is for what we would call a litter tray. What was that about "two nations divided by a shared language..."?  Pam  D  07:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And that quote seems to be George Bernard Shaw. Couldn't resist checking. Probably "separated" rather than "divided". Picked up and used by Churchill. Pam  D  07:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

How to write sideways
How do i write so that it displays sideways with text being written at a 270° angle from where it is now? Thanks  J e n o  v a  20 08:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a very odd question. It doesn't actually work in every browser, but there's something in recent CSS that might help, but can I ask why you want to do it first? WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well i'm actually trying to add another row at the top of the table in Citroen C3 Picasso but can't get it right and was just wondering if it's possible to stick the column on the left. That's not really an option now since the other table present has the section at the top...and i can't copy and paste from it because it's a template... Thanks  J e n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 08:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Pull it into a sandbox, show me what you've tried and I'll have a fiddle :) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * User talk:Jenova20/Car Articles - move quickly Mr Bond, eet veel no last very long...  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 09:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you expect me to talk? <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, i expect you to die Mr Bond...
 * Laser warning light pl.jpg
 * Can do if you like, livens up any conversation... Seriously though thanks Dave  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 09:57, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to help! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:59, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I forgot the image...hope the effect wasn't wasted on you without it though?  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 10:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Toenail That's got to be the oddest award I've ever had. Well, either that or a pair of erasers... <font color="#000">WormTT &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 2 erasers?! Mad! Crazier than a bacon barnstar, which i notice you also own...  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 10:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Again
-- Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

(Also, do you know why the whole of my sig isn't displaying here and a couple of other places?-- Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's because of the pipe character ("|"). It has a special meaning in templates, so if you use it in templates, it'll break.  Try replacing it with &#124 ; (but get rid of the space between the 4 and the semicolon). Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. That explains why it wasn't working on DYK template pages but it was elsewhere. :-) -- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 18:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Rollback link suppression
Since it's two weeks old, I thought I may as well let you know here as well as on the VP - I've come up with a possible solution for your problem in this post. Do let me know if it works! Shimgray &#124; talk &#124; 21:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No luck. Ah well, was worth a try - it's not a big deal :) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

FAC Citroen C3 Picasso
I nominated just to see where it rates and what obvious improvements can be made. Can you spot anything before anyone else points it out? And does the table look better with shaded sections? No rush for reply, thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 10:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got to say, I admire you going up for FAC. I'm totally scared of that place - and I don't know why! I've never put anything up there, and I just don't have the stomach to do it :|
 * I prefer the table with shaded sections, yes. And no, I can't see anything wrong with it, besides length and mainly online sources, but I don't know how important those factors are! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * My friend told me that it's only available in blue. Can we put this in the article? :-) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Pinch of salt Demierge...Pinch of salt.
 * And Dave i figure at the best it gets promoted to FA, at the worst i get areas of mprovement for the article and constructive criticism. I don't see why you're scared, you're one of them Admin people, a busy-body, jobsworth, pen pusher =P. I reckon Doom Bar is decent enough for FA. Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 10:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What would you say is your best article anyway?  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 10:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say Doom Bar isn't far off FA, but it's not there yet - and I'm not good at content creation, that's why I keep away from the "best" area of content creation. Best article, I don't know, probably Doom Bar or maybe Bacon ice cream, which I think I wrote quite well :) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking Bacon Ice Cream. Listed it for Peer Review =P  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 11:31, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Bah. You're looking for a beating. Alright, I'll see how this goes, but don't get any ideas about doing this again. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem a bit down in the dumps lately so maybe this will give you some inspiration or show you just how good you're doing. The huge list of people wanting to be adopted by you is further proof.
 * No one cues up for a 1 star restaurant...except the cockroaches =P  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 12:59, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't know about that, I've had a massive load of barnstars, a toenail and a queue a mile long for adoption, why on earth would I be down in the dumps ;) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:01, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well i got the wrong impression then. Glad to know that's not the case =]
 * What will you do if Bacon ice cream passes PR good enough for FA? Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 13:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be very suprised. :P <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it will spur you on to create more Featured Articles  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 13:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

A question
What does the "stalker" link (in the useful links section) do? I went there and it has a form thatMax only partially understand. -- Drla8th! (talk) 00:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You can put in two or more editors and see what pages they have all edited together, for example this is for Worm and I. I like this one even better, but it only works for two editors.  It will even show you a timeline of the edits.  This is the analysis between Worm and I for that one.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  01:39, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry!
I'm sorry for the screw-up above. I saved each edit but then got a error page for Wikipedia each time. I didn't know each edit was already saved.-- Drla8th! (talk) 00:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It now looks like it is fixed. -- Drla8th! (talk) 01:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Swifty
Check things out with Arbcom. I don't think you can unblock once the BASC has denied an unblock.&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * will double check before I flick the switch - but per this I don't forsee issues. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Just putting a note here to indicate that I don't object to the unblock, just in case someone from BASC cares.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:16, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Your adoption page
Hi, Worm! I just came to tell you that some users at the bottom of your Adoption HQ page that have "archived" adoption pages still are semi-active or active. I think they might've forgotten about the adopt-a-user program and that you were their adopter. -- Drla8th! (talk) 00:39, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Drla8th!, thanks for the note. I actually periodically check on my old adoptees, to make sure they're doing ok, I've got all their pages on my watchlist and so on. Many of those in the archive have finished the course and graduated, whilst others have decided they don't need to finish the course as they know enough and are able to carry on. Either is a good outcome in my opinion. I only keep the adoption course as long as the editor needs it - so if they've forgotten then they probably don't need it! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Citroën C3 Picasso FAC
0/4, 0, 0%, zilch in support, a big goose egg... Featured article candidates/Citroën C3 Picasso/archive1 and i didn't get much to help me improve it either... Bacon ice cream stands a decent chance at least compared to C3 Picasso i think, let's see what they think at PR though since i've clearly set the FAC bar high lol =P  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 08:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, at least you tried - which is something I've never even done :) I've had Doom Bar peer reviewed before, and never really taken all the suggestions forward - I need to spend some time on it, and I've got a feeling I need to spend quite a lot of time in a library. Bacon Ice Cream would be interesting though, as I do think it's fairly comprehensive at the moment, just because it's such a small topic. I'd be interested to see what the peer review says. You can stand proud and say "I've tried FAC", something few editors here can say. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, well i'm not disappointed. I got something out of it.  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 11:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Now look what you made me do - . Ok, maybe I had a quiet day at work, but I sat down and did a bit of work on Doom Bar. It's looking much better than it was IMO. I just need to do the same for the Legacy and Legend sections, then I'll drop a few requests to copy edit, then I might well get a peer review of it... and you never know.... I might even... go for FA.. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, nice work =] You're already benefiting from these little chats then  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 15:10, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

On a separate note, i've done it! =] New record this month -  J  e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 19:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Question for a Brit
I'm in the process of writing an article on xerotine siccative and I'm trying to decide whether to use the word inflammable or the word flammable. The source I'm using uses inflammable, but the source is also 200 years old. I have always used the word flammable, is the inflammability vs. flammability distinction a British vs. American thing, or is it an age thing? If Brits primarily use inflammable, I'd use that because the article is much more pertinent to British history. Ryan Vesey Review me!  15:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As far I'm concerned they are both the same and used interchangeably. But the best person ask about this is Malleus Fatuorum. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Am i wrong in thinking inflammable is the opposite of flammable? Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 19:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, but it's a commons mistake. They both mean the same thing.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 19:43, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahhh... Thanks Gilderien, i already feel smarter  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 19:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And I just realised I should have said "common"... :/ -- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 20:08, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I just assumed you were blaming Wikmedia Commons =P  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 20:16, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, although it wouldn't be the first time. Especially over their so-called "British English".-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 20:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Eh, what do you mean?  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 22:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

It is inflammable because of the latin inflammare - to set on fire (in as in induce, indoctrinate). The Americans decided that there was too much risk that people would think it meant the opposite, so went for flammable. The opposite to inflammable is incombustible, so you can really see what they mean. Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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Question
I'm curious. Does it make sense to protect pages that are not vandalized, but have no reason to be edited? For example it would make no sense for Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz to be anything other than a redirect to english alphabet. In other instances Lalala and Lalalala were created multiple times and later salted, should Lalalalalala be salted? I would guess it would probably be a waste of energy and resources at some point Ryan Vesey  Review me!  04:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's probably stuff people and bots have missed Ryan.
 * You could go to the effort of trying to sort it, but i seriously believe there will be more of these created faster than you will notice them or be able to deal with them.
 * Like vandals. Determined vandals can create vandalism and more vandalism accounts faster than we can stop it, the same as criminals can break laws faster than police can stop them because they are constrained by rules aswell, while the vandals and criminals aren't.
 * Hope i enlightened you, i've been in the rain for an hour so that may seem harsh =P  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 17:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's quite an interesting question really. Preempting vandalism is a problem, but it goes against the very basis of a wiki. Anyone can edit it - they may be trying to improve it. No, I can't think of a situation where Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz should redirect to anything but the english alphabet, but that doesn't mean there never will be one. We could place blockers against all situations where we can't see alternatives, but that's instantly restricting the encyclopedia in a way that goes against the founding tenants. Leaving it open keeps it as a wiki, a free for all - mistakes and bad faith can be corrected, but good faith improvements should not be hampered. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 18:45, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

ty
Just wanted to say thanks for the feedback on the AN/I thread. I don't know as KW even knows who I am to be honest. I think we've both commented at a few various discussion threads, but I don't recall any direct interactions - and I don't recall every collaborating with him on any articles. He is of course always welcome to approach me, but I don't know that I could offer any input or advice that would either be accepted or be of any more value than your own. My primary goal was a response to Pesky - who I believe is a woman with a tremendous heart, and someone I admire greatly. And while I strongly disagreed with her on one particular item, I would indeed normally go out of my way to assist her in any way I could. It's just that I can't see a clear path at the present to unilaterally change any of the block settings. I'll be glad when the block (which I also think was excessive) expires, and I hope (upon his return) KW avoids further scrutiny here. He's obviously a well read and intelligent individual, and I'm always glad to see those people about our little (?) project. Anyway - just wanted to say thanks for the direct reply - always a pleasure to consider your thoughts on all matters. Cheers. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 13:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not a problem Ched. I seem to disagree with Pesky more often than I agree, but I do believe she has that tremendous heart you mention. What will happen with KW, I do not know - I believe a block was the wrong solution, though I could not tell you what the "right" one was. I'm sure he'll appreciate your comments - which I'll point him towards. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Scooby-Doo! Music of the Vampire.jpg
Don't know if I marked this right but can you deleted the bigger resolutions I got the image to a smaller one. <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">Swifty</b>*<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred; margin-left:0.37ex;">talk 17:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Which criteria for speedy deletion does it meet anyway? <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">Swifty</b>*<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred; margin-left:0.37ex;">talk 17:29, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, Kww got it. LOL! <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">Swifty</b>*<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred; margin-left:0.37ex;">talk 19:15, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This I may need training on so I can get a better grip on the Speedy deletion criteria. What do you think? <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">Swifty</b>*<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred; margin-left:0.37ex;">talk 19:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Bacon ice cream
You will be pleasantly surprised if you haven't already looked. Peer review/Bacon ice cream/archive1 Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 15:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * that's very positive, I must say! Still, it looks like Yunshui didn't notice it was already GA... Doesn't mention how to get it to FA!-- <font color="#000">WormTT &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:28, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * could always be worse. And now you have areas to improve on =P Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 18:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, mea culpa. I blame the fact that I ran out of coffee yesterday. Want me to review again with FA in mind? Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If you wouldn't mind Yunshui! I'd really appreciate that. I'm pretty confident it's not up to FA at the moment, but if you can point me in the right direction, I'm happy to knuckle down. The biggest difficulty is obscurity of the topic, there's already bits in there that shouldn't (as you've pointed out), I'm just wondering how long it'd need to be to be a featured article. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Reassessed from the FA angle. Hope it's useful. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 08:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yunshui, you are a star, a 2 thorough reviews on an article AND an admin review in one week. Thank you so much! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. After your suggestions regarding GA, I thought I'd best have a proper look at the review process - and what better way than to actually do a couple of reviews? I hadn't actually realised Bacon ice cream was yours (well, not yours, but you know what I mean) until after I reviewed it, so that was a happy coincidence. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 09:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

the worm that turned into an admin.
I've rated you on your admin review.Mir Almaat Ali Almaat  ☏  From Trivandrum, Kerala, India(UTC+5:30) 07:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC) And also, your talk page is the 100th page in my watchlist.Mir Almaat Ali Almaat  ☏  From Trivandrum, Kerala, India(UTC+5:30) 07:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Very kind of you Mir Almaat 1 S1. I've replied there, if you have any constructive criticism, I'd appreciate it. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

You got these marks:

 * Personality-100%(Outstanding)
 * Contributions-38%(Bad)
 * Blocks-94% You block too slowly ,or I would have given a 100.(Excellent)
 * Protection-80% That is the usual marking for most admins(Good)
 * Deletion log-40% (Not good and a bit bad)
 * Move log-47% (Not good and a bit bad)
 * Rights-100%(oustanding)
 * TOTAL-64%(not good but not bad at all)

Ways to improve

 * Personality:There is nothing to improve. You have full ranks in a section that normal admins score just over 50%-71%
 * Contributions:Try to contribute some more. Contribute better when you are on wikipedia. Try to spend some more time during holidays contributing to both admin jobs and article editing. But article editing is first.
 * Blocks:Try to block faster, and investigate sockpuppets too.
 * Protection:Do more protects, but don't do too much.
 * Deletion log:Your deletion majority is of user requested pages so participate deletion requests at Miscellany for deletion and a few other cousins of the page.
 * Move log:Most of the pages you are moving are only usersubpages.
 * Rights: There is nothing to improve.


 * Definetly, I think if you follow these things, next time, you'll get a 72%-83%.Regards. Mir Almaat Ali Almaat  ☏  From Trivandrum, Kerala, India(UTC+5:30) 08:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for the suggestions. I will say straight off the bat that I refuse to block faster. Blocking is a tool that is overused and can have drastic consequences, I want to be certain that the editor needs to be blocked before blocking. It's a preventative tool, if a note will do the same, why on earth should I block.
 * Contributions, I find this quite interesting. I know I'm not the best article editor, but I do have 8 good articles, at least one of which I'm looking at getting to featured status. I do need to get back into writing, but given the number of editors I help in adoption, I often don't find the time. Holidays, I like to use to have a holiday! I generally leave wikipedia all together at these points and go and enjoy myself. I find the idea that I should come here and work to be unpleasant.
 * Deletion, I committed at my RfA that I would vote in at least 300 AfDs before going round deleting. I'm currently at about 50. I really need to get on top of that.
 * In any case, I see where you're going with these points. Basically "Do more" - and if that's all you're looking for, I can accept that. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Holiday means, not going on a trip. It means when you get a day off work and get bored and have nothing to do. Any way what is your preferences, do it. You already have another user saying my rating are untrue.Mir Almaat Ali Almaat  ☏  From Trivandrum, Kerala, India(UTC+5:30) 08:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

And forgot. You are my Wikifreind!Mir Almaat Ali Almaat  ☏  From Trivandrum, Kerala, India(UTC+5:30) 08:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - I think that says a lot about you that you want to see the good in people and give them more chances to change before blocking. With regard to deleting articles and AfDs, you're one of very few people i've seen who are capable of changing their opinions in a delete and not being hard-headed or ignorant. With regard to work, we all struggle with that when we have jobs.
 * Looks like they want you to be more bot than human from the criteria to be honest and i would challenge them to find an adoptee who sees you in a negative light. Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 08:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jenova. I'm simply looking for feedback, and I can take it especially if it's not positive. I think Mir Almaat 1 S1 hasn't quite seen as many situations where the block caused problems as I have, yet has seen the situations where quick blocks are good - so that makes sense. I freely admit that I'm not a particularly active admin, so if the feedback boils down to "be more active" I can't exactly disagree! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and.. at least a few of my adoptees see me in a very negative light, one even tried socking to joe jobs me. See this sorry saga, which lead to the rather amusing User:Worm that turded. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Well it's inventive...still the rest are doing good it seems.  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 09:19, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * WOW! I checked some of that stuff out and I've never seen that before. LOL! <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">Swifty</b>*<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred; margin-left:0.37ex;">talk 11:16, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

User:BentPaperClip:.
Hi Worm!

Remember me? User:BentPaperClip:., who I understand you have mentored has vandalised my user page and copied my signature. Do you know why that is happening? <font style="color:#000;background:#ADFF2F;"> Adam mugliston Talk  20:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about this Worm, I just realised what happened. It's a guy who hates me from real life. He copied over the barnstars I got from you onto his user!!! I deleted them off there, but I'd like to get him banned and get him to change his signature. He is not on Wikipedia to help create a wonderful encyclopaedia. Can you help? <font style="color:#000;background:#ADFF2F;"> Adam mugliston Talk  20:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Help
List of Pokémon Black and White chapters Can you fix the title on this? it's all italics and I don't know why and only the manga title should be italics but I can't get it to do it that way can you please fix it? <b style="font-family:Arial; color:red;">Swifty</b>*<sup style="font-family:Arial; color:darkred; margin-left:0.37ex;">talk 12:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think one of the infoboxes automatically adds italics, you may want to check out their documentation - if you can't get it, I'll check it out tomorrow :) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Someone hates me
Please suggest that what should I do in a situation like this ?  Yash  t  101   12:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ignore it? Unfortunately, you can't please all the people all of the time, and sooner or later someone's going to dislike you. The best thing to do is learn anything you can from it, then move on with your life. In the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you sir. Will follow it :)  Yash  t  101   13:26, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Is this within the range of your expertise?
I responded to this question at the help desk regarding misinformation by specific companies. I know nothing about technology and I was wondering if you could take a look at the article Acoustic transmission line. Since the entire page is unreferenced, my first areas of concern are should this have been removed (I would assume so), and should the information about PMC be included since those are the issues raised on the talk page. Ryan Vesey Review me!  15:40, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I hate the idea of doing anything on the article because I know nothing and there aren't references to guide me, but in regards to the large section that was removed, this is where it was added. It appears like that statement should be restored.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  15:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm as blank on this subject as you are - and I've got a busy day today, so am unlikely to have a chance to actually do the research. As for the section, I'd agree with its removal, it appears to be spam - unless we can see some reliable sources on the matter. The fact that Mr Le Feuvre is complaining that a section about himself was removed... alarm bells are ringing. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

My Editor Review
I have been here for a while and want to improve myself. Though I try my best to do the right thing, I may do something wrong. As you have seen me work, can you please leave me a review as I want to know where I stand so far and what should I improve to be a good editor. Your opinion has always been valuable and your review can help. Thanks :)  Yash  t  101   08:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Game copyright status
Just a quick one. Are screenshots uploadable or fair use? I'm thinking uploadable unless there's visible copyrightable logos?? Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 08:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * They'd almost certainly fall under fair use, copyright logo or not. If you're discussing the game, then it's reasonable to have a shot which might describe gameplay or an iconic scene, but remember the WP:NFCC rules, low quality, no over use, not in your talk space... <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks! =]  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 08:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. You moved my page
Hi. Can I put a redirect on this page to make the Victoria Blyth Hill article easier to find? Did I do something wrong? Hope not. Google leads to the deleted page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Victoria_Blyth_Hill&action=edit&redlink=1 Thanks. Marilyn Nix (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Worm. Marilyn Nix (talk) 12:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problems <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sock suspicion - where do I go to get an investigation?
Hi Worm,

I have a suspicion that a user currently involved in a dispute at Talk:Georgian Orthodox Church has created a sock in order to push forward/back-up their point of view. Several users have participated in open discussion, and today a new user appears from nowhere stating they have observed the discussion for a while now. However, that same user only joined Wikipedia today, which I found strange considering the statement they came out. How do I go about having this checked out? Thanks in advance - <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 13:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like you're not assuming good faith to me. Anyone can read talk pages, registered or not. If you've got a specific user you think this editor might be then the place to go is Sock puppet investigations, but if you are just handwaving "oh this person hasn't been here long, he can't be acting in good faith" then you are the one at fault here. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I had assumed good faith. But the more I read the post over and over again, the more it starts to sound suspicious.  Especially when I looked back and no other unregistered users had got involved before; and the comment looked similar to one posted days before by a different user.  I am trying to remain good faithed, but gut instinct is telling me to be cautious - and its rare my gut is wrong.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  13:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, there's one thing "being cautious", but another assuming that they're causing problems. Which user does it seem similar to? (Just because no unregistered users have got involved in the talk page doesn't mean they haven't looked at the page. As usual, most of the page is written by IPs) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Deep down I hope my suspicions are proven wrong, and I can get back to stressing out over organising travel to my next London 2012 volunteer event next month - LOL. But anyhow to answer your question, at first I thought the person who posted this latest comment could have been the user who also posted this comment; my reason being, they wasn't happy with the helpful advice being put forward to them; plus they also posted similar comments throughout the original dispute to which I was observing/assisting with help and analysis.  But then when this user quickly posted a defensive comment, I started to wonder if a newly involved person had created a sock to back-up their wiki-friend.  Oh why do these things have to be sooo complicated!?  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  13:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you can go for an SPI if you like. The editor's only made one edit, so it's not likely they'll be back. It's also perfectly likely that this could be a new editor with the same opinions as the last one. I'd suggest the editor who made the defensive comment is unrelated, as I made the exact same style comment :P <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I wonder if the best course of action at this stage, is to reserve judgement, sit on the roof-tops (so to speak) and monitor how it pans out. If suspicions increase, then alert SPI.  Geeze, you are a good guy with a bag full of good advice.  Are you available for private hire as a PA?  Could do with someone to handle my travel organising and relieve the stressful pressure lol.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  13:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan to me. As for the PA, I charge... a lot. if you have "a lot", give it to me, and I'll let you know what I think... <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have three "a lots"; how much will that get me? Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 13:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but gimme. Or rather. Gimme gimme gimme! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Dunno how many "a lots" I have. But I having a PA would be a wonderful idea. <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 14:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Twinkle not working ?
Hey Dave, twinkle doesn't seem to work whenever I edit articles - as in, the icon doesn't even show up... is that right? does your twinkle work? Thanks, -- <font color="#000080">MST <font color="#800080">☆ <font color="#000080">R  <font color="#0000FF">(Chat Me!) 13:20, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Twinkle's still there for me... where isn't it showing that you'd expect it? <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Top right corner, where it normally is. It doesn't appear at all - I can't tag article's with anything. -- <font color="#000080">MST <font color="#800080">☆ <font color="#000080">R  <font color="#0000FF">(Chat Me!) 13:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Twinkle talk page is the best place to ask ;) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, shall take it there. Thank you, -- <font color="#000080">MST <font color="#800080">☆ <font color="#000080">R  <font color="#0000FF">(Chat Me!) 13:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Templates
Hi Worm,

I was just making a template and I was wondering if there was a way of not substituting my signature. I wanted it to substitute only at the page I want it on. If you need to have a look: User:Adam mugliston/Skype. <font style="color:#000;background:#ADFF2F;"> Adam Mugliston Talk  17:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed it on the page. <font color="#FFB911"> Rcsprinter  (state the obvious (or not))  18:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Help?!
I need referencing help on User:Androzaniamy/Tracy Beaker (character). Anyone else who's reading this I only asked Worm That Turned and him only. So please let him help if he agrees to and no other help please. Androzaniamy (talk) 17:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * May I just ask; why is this so specifically direct at Worm? <font style="color:#000;background:#ADFF2F;"> Adam Mugliston Talk  17:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * May I also ask, why its about an article for Tracy Beaker (character); when the character is already covered at Tracy Beaker (although it does currently redirect to "The Story of Tracy Beaker")? Wouldn't a simple expansion of that article be more plausible?  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  19:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * If you make an article, make certain to check Google news archive search for coverage. Include something like this http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/were-all-to-blame-for-neve-and-georgia.17476379 to prove the character is notable enough to have their own article.   D r e a m Focus  21:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Responded at Amy's talk page - Dream Focus's suggestion here looks really good. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Ronz
Just to let you know that I had some issues with Ronz and others at Alkaline Diet. I am new to Wiki editing and probably leaving it also because of people like Ronz. I found him to be well versed at hiding behind the rules of Wikipedia to achieve his desired manipulative outcomes. I don't know the Wiki term for him but my personal opinion would be that he is a "snake in the grass". I noticed that you blocked him for a week that is why I have mentioned this here. Sorry if this is not the appropriate way to communicate this, and please fell free to delete and ignore this message if that is the case. 86.93.139.223 (talk) 00:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Fresh off your block and acting like this? You apparently haven't learned anything. Disruption is not limited to editing of articles, but also to personal attacks on talk pages. Good riddance. -- Brangifer (talk) 03:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to mention canvassing an administrator who has blocked the user in a completely unrelated case, apparently in the hope that this will mean the admin is biased against the user. That speaks volumes about the attitude of the user from IP 86.93.139.223. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite happy to retain a lack of interest here <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

adoption program
Although i appreciate the effort that you have put into your adoption program, i do not think that i will have the time or inclination to finish the program and as such would like to leave. I will still hang around and make Gnomish edits and patroll some recent changes but i do not think that i will suit being heavily involved in wikipedia. Thanks for everything Turbo566 talk 11:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Seeing the above, I wish to express my interest in filling up the free adoption space so I can learn about creating and improving articles. <font color="Lime">Mr <font color="FFFFFF">Little Irish  (talk) © 11:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * While we are on the subject: Where is that barnstar? Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 11:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Turbo, that's fine, I'll archive it for you. If you want to do it at some other point, drop me a line. Irish, I'm afraid I'm still not taking on any new adoptees at the moment, I haven't really been doing much with Turbo - there's not really a space to fill. What's more, my course isn't designed to help learn about creating and improving articles, the best way to do that is to be bold and do it. I've got some ideas if you want to try writing an article, but are stuck for subjects. Barts1a, you're right, I owe you a barnstar. I'll put that together now. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dave, could you jot down your idea's on my talk for me to have a look over? Thanks <font color="Lime">Mr <font color="FFFFFF">Little Irish  (talk) © 12:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Wander over to my to do page... you might find something interesting. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:29, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Or (and anyone can grab this) I made a start on a pair who specialise in childrens books, but lost interest. There's quite a few sources there if anyone fancies having a go. Should easily be enough for a DYK. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

RfA
Hello, Worm That Turned. I recall your comments about asking you at some point this summer about a potential RfA candidacy; when would you suppose I could be ready? <font color="Cyan" face="Verdana">dci &#124; <font color="purple" face= "Times New Roman"> TALK   00:58, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi dci, I'll check this out tomorrow. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:11, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No rush at all. <font color="Cyan" face="Verdana">dci  &#124; <font color="purple" face= "Times New Roman"> TALK   21:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey DCI2026. For future reference, it'd be helpful if you could opt in to this, which would make my life easier! From the looks of things, you've made around 2500 edits - no admin has been promoted with less than 3000 in the past few years, so you're probably not quite there yet. I would say to carry on doing what you're doing - you're not doing anything wrong at the moment. Once you've opted in, I'll give you some more tips if you like. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've opted in; one other thing. When making content edits or revisions, I tend to make one or two large edits, rather than editing many, many times in a relatively short time period.  This may be partially responsible for my low edit count.  <font color="Cyan" face="Verdana">dci  &#124; <font color="purple" face= "Times New Roman"> TALK   21:17, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks that helps a lot. I'm very similar to you, I do make one or two large edits, but it's not exactly how this works. It's not that 3000 is the benchmark, in fact the average is somewhere around the 11,000 mark. Generally I suggest editors have abotu 6000 edits under their belt before they think about adminship, more if they spend their time on automated tools. It's not that you're doing anything wrong, but more that you need to have more experience. Your content creation is excellent, and that is a great big plus in your favour - but mind if I ask, why do you want to be an admin? What are you looking for there? <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to be able to work in other, non-content-creation areas where I could be able to help make some processes more efficient. I'm aware I can do this without adminship in some cases, but it would enable me to do quite a bit more, I think.  <font color="Cyan" face="Verdana">dci  &#124; <font color="purple" face= "Times New Roman"> TALK   11:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, but the trick is to show you can do it without adminship first, to prove that you're reliable ;) It's like getting a bank loan, they like to know you don't need it before they lend it to you! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for the help, and hopefully this hasn't been any trouble for you.  I'll keep on doing what I have been doing, and will try to expand my work here to incorporate some actions in other areas.  If you do have any other tips, that'd be great.  Thanks again, <font color="Cyan" face="Verdana">dci  &#124; <font color="purple" face= "Times New Roman"> TALK   21:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK Review
Hello! Your submission of Alice E. Gillington at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
 * Done, thanks for spotting that PumpkinSky. Thanks Ryan for doing half. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the accidental deletion of this - struggling with a slowly-responding not-very-smart phone and must have clicked something I didn't intend to. I'll have to check my contributions list and watch out for any more similar mishaps! Pam  D  08:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, it happens all the time. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

GA
What category would Jacobus Deketh come under for GA? --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 08:38, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Military people, I think <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 08:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Your page layout is awesome...
Hi and thanks for getting back to me so quick, I'm truly impressed and not just with the response, but I did not know you could make your talk page so spiffy. I am still clueless with all the topics and articles, etc... But I now know there is hope. I was real leary after trying to fix the space between my name and the format used here. Things are done very strangely, or I should say very strangely to me. I still don't know why things are so hard to fix, but after seeing your work and your pages I truly feel inspired to learn the system here and thanks to you I think I will accept the challenge and get on it. Just please hold my hand though the whole process...LOL!

'''So now I want to know what this site is all about. I always thought it was just a biography/encyclopedia listing.''' It always looked so bland and boring when looking up history topics for facts, but seeing an example of your pages is really what I think may be the easiest way to learn this new and confusing format. What do you think I should do first, besides '''changing the space in my name, which by the way, I still would like to do that first off and immediately. Can you help me start over by deletion,''' or I tell you what I will follow what ever you say, hows that for trust...LOL! Thanks so much for hearing me out and sorry for the book I'm writing here, but I got a little charged up by the fast response from you and the interesting talk page of yours.

'''So nice meeting you and hopefully I'll talk to you soon. Take care!'''

Rich — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichMonday (talk • contribs) 12:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Responded at your talk page. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick one...
Do you know why some pages on my watchlist appear in bold and others don't? It is a recent change and i don't understand what it means. Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 12:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a big thing about it at the village pump. Basically, it's a way of seeing which pages you've visited since they appeared on your watchlist. I'm not keen either, and I certainly don't like the stars, which appeared for about 5 mins! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I got confused, but then saw stuff over at ANI about it too. Not a fan, but I can deal with it :P <font color="Lime">Mr <font color="FFFFFF">Little Irish  (talk) 申 12:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahh...well i'm not a fan of it. Enjoy your holiday from Wikipedia and thanks for the reply!  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 13:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean. I don't visit every single page on my watchlist every time it is changed so I hate seeing everything bolded that I don't go to.  I'm going to start trimming down my watchlist now.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  14:38, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Three
Hi! Welcome to the third edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!
 * Teahouse reaches two month mark. The Teahouse has been live on English Wikipedia for two months now and evidence of the project's impact is beginning to show. Thank you to the hosts and Wikipedians who have helped make the Teahouse the valuable place for new editor's to seek help and feel welcome.
 * April metrics report has been posted on meta! Some relevant metrics from April’s report include:
 * In April, Teahouse averaged 45 questions per week.
 * An average of 20 new editors visiting for the first time were served at the Teahouse, in addition to repeat guests.


 * Many guests are repeat visitors: the average guest asks 1.5 questions and 22% of guests ask more than one question.


 * Reports show that the Teahouse is having a positive impact on editor engagement! Comparing a sample of 75 new editors who participate in the Teahouse with a control group (of equivalent size and similar first-day editing activity) shows:
 * New editors who participate in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles than the uninvited control group.
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 * More Teahouse participants remain active on Wikipedia at least 10 days later. Among the 224 editors in our three experimental groups, 28 percent of new editors who participate in the Teahouse were still active on Wikipedia at least ten days later, compared with 12 percent who received an invitation but didn't actively participate in the Teahouse, and only 5 percent from a similar uninvited control group.
 * Teahouse visibility is a challenge, as we try to make the Teahouse visible to new editors, invitation has been the the main way of informing new editors about the Teahouse, and while that is a powerful tool, many new editors go uninvited. Input on Teahouse link placement is welcome! (Join in on the conversation here.)
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 * Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is a really nice way to make new editors feel welcome.

DYK for Alice E. Gillington
Yngvadottir (talk) 17:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave Rich Monday Here
Dave I am really struggling with how things work here...jeez! I put in a request for a name change like you said, in fact I think I did it twice and someone named CrisG. denied the request saying that "the name was already being used in 2 other places". I couldn't figure out how to contact him, like right now Dave am I contacting you the correct way? Anyway, I did a name search for a half hour and found no other Rich Monday, so I don't know where to begin to look for these 2 places using my name that he mentioned, why didn't he tell me where they were? Are these 2 places actually me using the name Rich Monday?

I want to understand this so bad, but I'm really confused, how will I learn it, how did you learn it and why, where should I begin? Like what is meta and en Wikipedia? Do you work here as a volunteer, or do you and others like Chris G. just take on projects for the challenge of it. What is the purpose of using this site and learning how to use it? Facebook is getting a little old and I miss doing other things...LOL? I run a couple picture blogs for fun and it's fun building them up. Dude I could sit here and ask so many more questions. I'm missing that certain link in my head that once I understand it, then it would all make a lot more since to me and clear up this fog I'm trying to see through. Ahh! it's hard to explain what I'm feeling, but it is a lost and confused feeling I'll tell you that, yet I'm drawn to the challenge of a new program to learn.

One last thing Dave, I'm really sorry for choosing you to help me Mr. newbie, but you are a lot more friendly and you leave links for me to get in the right direction. I so appreciate your help and I hope you don't get too frustrated with the questions, it's just that I am intrigued by the massive information stored here and the power to help keep it tidy. Is that kind of what you do hear, just answer questions and clean up articles and pages, etc.... Are you a writer at heart. There I go with more questions...damn son! I hope you don't run from me, because I think you're the bomb digity dog and I want to work more with you. Take care Dave and thanks again my new friend.

Rich — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichMonday (talk • contribs) 02:21, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Rich, it's 2:00 AM where I live, so I don't have time to address all of your concerns right now; however, I can tell you what went wrong with your username change request. It was formatted incorrectly, so it appeared like you wanted to change your name to User:newname.  Copy this and paste it onto the bottom of this page (that link will take you directly to the edit window) then click save.   ~   I'll also leave a note on the talk page of an editor who responds to those requests so he'll know what to expect if there are any problems.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  07:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a note with a bureaucrat here. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  07:12, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, would you look at that! Thanks for sorting things there Ryan! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

RfA reform 2011/Minimum requirement
This has been stagnating for too long so when I saw something similar mentioned at Wikipedia talk:RFA I took the liberty of making a suggestion. I have no idea how an RFC is started or anything, but maybe when you get back from your Wikibreak we can get the ball rolling on this. Ryan Vesey Review me!  03:00, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to pitch in in anyway I can. -- SKATER  Is Back 03:01, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been looking at this too. I want to get all the statistics up to date before I move this one on to be honest, I've done the "success" ones, just need to do the failures, which I was planning to do one evening towards the end of the week. Other than that, if either of you want to double check the other stats (essays, other wikipedias etc), I'd appreciate that. After that, it's just a case of getting the summary together nicely, and putting the RfC up towards the end of the month. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, and if either of you are good with graphs, pretty pictures are nice... have fun! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:35, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Actually I think Worm pinched the idea from but don't let me spoil your fun. :-)  Rcsprinter   (tell me stuff)  19:55, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for both. I did indeed nab a lot from Hersfold but I think mine is quite a long way from his now, lots of changes. It's also great to see how far it's travelled, lots of editors using it these days. As for Request a nomination, I'm very pleased with that, to this day! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

mentorship
can you adopt me for mentorship please? I am very bad with wikicode and want to be an admin. I am drt2012 (talk) 19:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC).
 * I don't think this is going to be very likely, Dannyboy is currently giving personal attacks to Logan and is on the edge of being blocked. Not at all admin-like behaviour.  Rcsprinter  (talkin' to me?)  20:55, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Correction: blocked as I typed that message.  Rcsprinter  (yak)  20:55, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So I see. Not a lost cause though, I'll drop a message on his page. By the way, this wasn't vandalism. You should have left an edit summary. Logan didn't need to, it was his talk page. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:54, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * (I do agree with the revert by the way, there's no need for Logan to have that on his page, you did the right thing, I just think adding an edit summary would have helped a lot!) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

You're back!
Nice to see you! Ryan Vesey Review me!  07:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed I am, and thank you very much for the welcome! Got a lot to catch up on though!  <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

It is just like me to beg you to do something as soon as you come back but...
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Afranet was actually one of the first pages I reviewed at WP:AFC. I felt that while some work was needed, it was ready for the mainspace so I attempted to move it. I discovered that the page Afranet has been salted. I made an unprotection request at WP:RPP which was eventually declined. In it, the comment was made that it should be brought to WP:DRV. It is currently sitting at Deletion review/Log/2012 May 18 but normal discussion is not occurring. It was even suggested that the discussion be speedily closed as not in the scope of deletion review. That is what I thought but I was told that deletion review is the only remaining venue. I would really like to see the article moved to article space because the author clearly wrote it with an encyclopedic goal in mind. Do you have any idea what I should do? Ryan Vesey Review me!  08:03, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And if I am this confused by the issue, imagine how confused the new editor is. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  08:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The editor whose speedy close comment caused me to come here has since stricken the comment so I believe I am alright for the time being. It is just a sit and wait game.  I won't receive your reply for a while as it has been hours since I made the decision to go to sleep and I am beginning to lose trust in my ability to continue to function at a normal capacity.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  08:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ooh, that's interesting. Looking at the deleted version of the page, it's actually pretty similar to the current version, though with more inline references. Having said that, the majority of the sources are self published, so that's not great. In fact, the rest aren't actually covering the subject in depth, but are facts from comparison websites, or charters. For example, there's only a one word mention in the UN document, and "For internet access, a common route is to buy a prepaid card ... a popular card is from ParsOnline, Afranet, Neda" is hardly coverage at all. Yet, it's used as a source for a misleading sentence "According to United Nation's report on Iran, Afranet is one of the major VOIP service providers and Internet Service Providers." (The ISP bit is from a comparson site). Quite simply, the article is designed to be promotional, and there's little or no evidence of notability - which is exactly what it was deleted for. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Adoption
Do you remember I once came here asking if you would adopt me, and I got adopted by Demiurge1000? Anyway, I wanted to say hi because I changed my username from Tomtomn00. --Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 08:11, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Thine Antique Pen! I did notice, I've got your adoption page watchlisted and thought it was odd that the name had changed! But thanks for letting me know. I hope you feel you're learning a lot from Demiurge! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I am! (by the way, see this for my name explained). --Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 08:14, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:References
Hi Worm. Can you tell me if a magazine would be referenced as a newspaper or a book? I am unsure if it would have an WP:ISBN number and instead be used as a newspaper article. Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 08:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I generally go with either journal or newspaper for a magazine. As long as you've got all the information there, it's not the end of the world what you have it under. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Brilliant. And can you eplain in simple terms how i reference in such a way? Thanks Dave  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 09:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if cite journal or cite newspaper aren't quite enough for you, I use the Ref toolbar. It's pretty easy, and available every time you hit edit. Just press the Cite button, (as shown in the image) and then select a template from the drop down. Ta-da! Now, must get that moon, and put it on a stick.. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Very nicely done! Thanks a lot Dave!  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 10:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Androzaniamy
I have had your mentor page watchlisted ever since you began to mentor her. In your absence, I thought it would've been helpful if I tried to give an answer but I didn't anticipate such a hostile response. I have a habit of always trying to get to the root of the problem so naturally I tried to figure out why she was being so hostile. Eventually I came to a point where I felt I was making things worse and backed off. I will respect both of your requests of not answering on your adoption page. Not to cause drama or anything but, I must say that her response to my answer was hurtful and it emotionally stirred me up.—<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower <font color=darkorange face=arnprior>Chat<sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=darkorange face=arnprior>Limited Access 12:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * On this, have a look at the note I've left her on her talk page. You did not deserve to be talked to the way you were, and certainly did nothing wrong. Perhaps you pushed it a little further than you needed to, but I am not holding that against you. I'd actually like to thank both you and Nobody Ent for trying to help, even if it wasn't needed. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:59, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * On one note, I backed off when I felt I was pushing it. On the other, you're welcome.—<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower  <font color=darkorange face=arnprior>Chat<sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=darkorange face=arnprior>Limited Access 13:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thought I'd poke my nose in as well. I've hesitated to post on her talk page, sensibly so in hindsight. I've had it watched since she made an appearance on ANI. I was going to drop a note about what I'd been reading on her talk page but seeing as you've taken her back in hand, there's nothing I need to say. At this point though, I will say that it may be time to don your admin hat and suggest that Cyberpower and Dream Focus stop fighting on her talk page. That happened previously and she was quite upset about it. Blackmane (talk) 21:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm concerned because:
 * I don't really think she realizes how close she was to an indef before you bailed her out with the adoption -- if she ends up back on AN I think she's done.
 * Dream Focus's contributions to her talk page are likely to egg her on into an error. I've left them a note but I don't think it took. Nobody Ent 23:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think a lot of people are watching, which is not a problem, but I can understand why she'd be upset by it. She's been under a lot more scrutiny than most new editors, and whether or not she was close to an indef at the time she has made progress. Her attitude over the past week has gone down hill, but the moment she talked to me she seemed reasonable, so I think this is as much my fault for not being there as anything else. I've said my bit, hopefully we'll be able to move on with something a little more useful. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing I don't think she's realising is that eventually she'll be let off her leash and if this is how she behaves while on a relatively loose leash, she's going to end up in a whole load of strife. Blackmane (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe. She's learning fast, I've got faith :) <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Worm, I perhaps shouldn't have posted on Amy's page after she'd asked me not to, but it was in the flow of a discussion and seemed appropriate. I hate the idea of being forbidden from editing in any part of Wikipedia, so I'd like to ask you to ask Amy to agree that I can make occasional constructive comments on her talk page. I won't ask her on her own page, for obvious reasons. I've taken an interest in her editing career because I was involved in quite early conversations (and upset her accidentally by including a censored version of a non-naughty word on her page, in the course of a reasonable discussion). I might even accidentally post on her page if I come across something of hers while stub-sorting and use a Twinkle function which does an automatic user talk page message, without even noticing it's her that it's going to. I'm not certain whether "editing someone's talk page when they've asked you not to" is within any reasonable definition of "harassment", but I'd hate to cross that line. Pam D  08:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly not the best time. I'd rather let the dust settle a bit before asking something like that. I don't think anything you've done (or would do) would actually wander into harassment, from an outside perspective - but for the time being I would prefer to respect Amy's wishes on the matter. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * PamD, maybe for the time being, anything you come up with you can just drop Worm a line? Blackmane (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

RfA advice
Worm, can you comment on my potential to be an admin? Cglenn3932 (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)cglenn3932 moved to its own thread for clarity's sake Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Cglenn, I just took a look at your edits and I would at this time advice you NOT to run for an RFA at this time. You only have 75 edits to the project, and while edits aren't everything you do need sufficient amount to prove that you know what is going on and the relevant policies. For example, I myself have over 6,500 edits to the project and I would still be considered on the low side of experience to the encyclopedia. My advice to you would be to keep doing what you're doing, and just hang in there until you understand all of the policies. If I had to put it in a time frame It would take about 8-12 months if not before before the community would possibly vote yes to your request. Regards and happy editing!-- SKATER  Is Back 18:37, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Nobody can comment on your potential to be an admin Cglenn3932, as you've only been here five minutes. Malleus Fatuorum 18:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To be fair, his account has contribs going back to 2006. Whether those contribs are helpful for a request for adminship is another issue... Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You take me too literally; five minutes in terms of experience. Malleus Fatuorum 19:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. Yep, that's probably fair enough. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the people above have it right. You're certainly not ready to be an administrator at the moment, it's not something I'd recommend you even think about. With only 75 edits (no editor has passed with under 3000 in the past few years), no work in administrator areas, I think you should spend a bit more time getting used to the encyclopedia, perhaps adding more content - there's lots to do out there. I'm not saying you won't ever become an admin, but you're a long way off at the moment. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a guy just in the news who reached 1 million edits at a rate of 350 a day . By measuring against him you've only about 5 hours of edits. I've reverted vandals with more edits.
 * Put your 6 years of knowledge to use Cglenn and do up some articles that tickle your fancy (never really got that expression), there should be loads after so long! Sorry to butt in!  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 08:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Having said that, I wouldn't recommend anyone do 1 million edits! Quality, not quantity counts for everything... <font color="#000">WormTT &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That was my point of course, that 1 million minor edits are nothing to 1 million huuuuge edits that create good articles right "off the bat" and make a noticeable improvement to the Wikipedia. 75 edits is not anywhere near enough though to be an admin and it would be like a 5 year old giving life advice to a 70 year old OAP. Thanks  J e <font color="#FF0">n <font color="#0F0">o  v <font color="#F0F">a  20 09:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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not necessary
It's not necessary to ask me to stay off a page in your user space 9 days after I said I would Nobody Ent 09:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I posted that there yesterday, when I got back from my holiday. I then stupidly deleted it, but restored it today. All I was doing was making things explicit there. Perhaps not necessary in that you weren't going to post there, but necessary so that it's clear how I feel about other editors posting there. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

4th Liverpool Meetup
Hi there. It looks like it's just me and you who've signed up to the Liverpool meetup next week. I'm always up for a pint or six, but I was wondering whether we should cancel. What do you think? Cheers, Bazonka (talk) 12:57, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to postpone/cancel - I'm sure we'll all meet up again soon! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There are more names on the list now, so it looks like it's back on. See you there? Bazonka (talk) 19:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikicode
Could you help me with wikicode please?. I find that whenever I try to learn it, I always forget. I appreciate your patience. Also, why does wikicode need to be needlessly complicated when wysiwyg is clearly the easiest way to go? I am the one and only drt2012 (talk) 20:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I read somewhere once that a wysiwyg method of editing would be rolled out by the Wikimedia foundation sometime this year. I can't really remember where I saw it though.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  20:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * One of the reasons I've seen used to defend wikicode is the resolution of edit-conflicts. Basically, if you edit-conflict with another editor, wikicode makes it easy to just copy and paste your old response in.  A WYSIWYG editor would lose a lot of the sometimes complicated formatting when it is copy-pasted.  In general, it's much easier to copy the wikicode source while maintaining full fidelity than it would be if a WYSIWYG system were used exclusively.


 * On a more historical level, though, it's my impression (and only my impression) that Wikipedia was founded and populated primarily by people with a technical bent, for whom wikicode isn't difficult to understand or get a hang of. Over time, those technically-inclined editors became the "power users" on Wikipedia, and since they didn't feel the need for more newbie-friendly means of editing, it didn't get done.  Ten years later, I've still seen this attitude in some of the reactions to our work at the Teahouse.  As a technically-minded person myself, the wikicode doesn't bother me, so I can sympathize with that to some extent; it's the age-old debate of "power and flexibility" vs. "learning-curve and usability", and technically-minded people will almost always come down on the power side.  But at the same time, I can also see how wikicode would turn off many a new editor (which is why I try to help out at the Teahouse in what little ways that I can.)


 * PS: The Teahouse is a good place to ask questions about things like wikicode! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 20:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Good answers chaps. As for how to use wikicode, have you tried running through the tutorial? It's pretty useful. I also have something in my adoption course about how to edit, if that's any help, feel free to use it. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:35, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

History merge
Hey Worm, could you do a history merge if it isn't too difficult? I feel like the edits in this series of diffs should be placed between these edits. Ryan Vesey Review me!  05:49, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If I'm honest, I wouldn't know how. As far as I'm concerned, history merges involve deleting something, moving something on top and then undeleting the original... so I to do move a group of diffs (not the whole page)... I'd have to do a bit of work and thinking. I think I need to play with something a little easier before I attack something like that! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, do you think AN would be an appropriate place to ask for assistance with that or should I just seek out another admin? Ryan Vesey  Review me!  15:32, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, not sure which. If you know a competent admin, go for it, otherwise I'd suggest the Cut and paste move repair holding pen. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 15:34, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  15:35, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

My home town
My home town, Windom, MN, is currently a start-class article so I decided I wanted to improve it to a B-class at the minimum. To do so, I'll probably need to remove a lot of content from the education section using the summary style. Here's my question, do you think it would be better to create a page on Windom Public Schools or Windom Area Middle/High School. Due to (I originally wrote that "do tue" is that like a reverse spoonerism or something?) the nature of our High School, I would already be writing about grades 4-12 which is what makes me lean towards doing an entire Windom Public Schools page and making a mention of our elementary school. Ryan Vesey Review me!  14:21, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest going for the entire page and mention your school. It's how I'd expect the article to end up, so might as well target it from the start. good luck with it all! <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just as a note, Windom Public Schools is literally two schools. The High/School and an elementary school, but I'll work on that.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  14:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a lot of people who will disagree with you... just do things the best you can, and I'm sure it'll be great. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that I think of it, I'm probably going to create it at User:Ryan Vesey/Windom Area Schools as that is the actual name of the school system. I may consider Independent School District 177 or Windom Public School System.  I originally just intended this to be a short little article so there was something to move a lot of the information at Windom, Minnesota to, but then I remembered that our previous middle school was sold for $1.  That sounds like a pretty good DYK hook.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  15:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed it does. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 15:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:DONTBITE
This is a part of a longer post on the Alkaline Diet Page called Harry Potter is a Girl. It relates to you somewhat and mentions you specifically. As I am a newbie I don't know how to do links so copied it here. Sorry for taking your space up on your talk page. Also sorry for WP:TLDR. As before please delete this if it is of no interest to you. I can't know what is and what is not of interest to you, and following WP:BOLD I am making my statement and you can decide what to do next.

THE ADMINISTRATORS: Dear administrators. As I am leaving Wiki editing after three days of being involved in it. I shall leave you with this information which I doubt you will read or care about, for my own self respect that I said it. I made a comment about the user Ronz for the administrator WormTT to read. As a newcomer to Wikipedia I followed the WP:BOLD rules and made a comment with uncertainty. I did not know if it was appropriate or not and I explained that with the very clear "Sorry if this is not the appropriate way to communicate this, and please fell free to delete and ignore this message if that is the case." WormTT might have said "Thanks I need to know that as I have to monitor that guy." Or WormTT might have said "I don't need to know that, what were you doing telling me that?!" Being a newcomer I didn't know the answer to that question. As there is another administrator dealing with the Alkaline Diet issues there was no intention to bring this administrator into that discussion. Therefore I was not trying to get support against Ronz. And since I'm not returning to Wikipedia editing, this post is also not made to get any support. Now that I have read some of the rules thrown at me these last 3 days, I can say that your comments here are WP:BATTLEGROUND and also WP:BITE. Rather than respecting my ignorance and reading my clear acknowledgement of this ignorance you have instead attacked me. Having been here three days I have noticed that those who have been here longer like to use countless unexplained WP:XXXX links to justify whatever they say, when ignoring those rules the links refer to. I was warned in WP:BOLD to not be fooled by this. I was also told in WP:BOLD to stand my ground. For example one editor criticized me for being impolite by me saying the words "Funny isn't it?" about another user attacking the very source he was defending, when he thought the comment was from me. Then the editor used the word "Bulls#!t" in a tirade against me. Then he sought to have me blocked. It's ok for him to break the rules but not ok for me the newbie. The same editor entered into a dispute resolution process with me while also asking for me to be blocked, thus cutting me off during the very dispute resolution he initiated. This allowed him to make his points with no way for me to respond. Then he claimed he didn't do that, while posting on a discussion board that he was happy I was blocked. Seeing I was blocked he didn’t say to the administrator “He is a newbie, I’m trying to educate him and resolve this, please unblock him.” Of course this block was also supported by the administrator who blocked me who could have seen I was in a dispute resolution process. I don't know how to block someone. But why would I want to? A few harsh words were said to me. Big deal. I'm an adult and I know that sticks and stones can break my bones, but words cannot hurt me. WP:CONS Consensus can only be reached when both sides can communicate, not just one side, because the other side is blocked from expressing their opinion. This would be against the Wikipedia rules WP:TALKDONTREVERT and WP:BOLD. Yet me having real points worth discussing has seen me blocked for a WP:BATTLEFIELD mentality. It's not such a mentality, it is just me knowing what I am talking about, while also being a newcomer. Some more experienced editors who know nothing of the topic are controlling the article as if they own it. See WP:OWN, WP:GANG, WP:TAGTEAM. None of you administrators have done anything to help that newcomer other than block him. Perhaps you could acknowledge my relative WP:COMPETENCE and follow the principle of WP:DONTBITE. And please don’t say that I was offered a mentor to guide me. This guy had attacked me repeatedly without any knowledge of the topic, and rather than wanting to resolve this article, wanted to take me on a journey following him around Wikipedia to see him edit articles I would probably know nothing about. I mean WP:WTF? Having had 3 days to look over the rules I have seen that most of what experienced editors claim against me are followed by WP:XXXX, yet they are not in line with the actual rules they quote. Once I looked up the rules I saw that they were often acting totally against the rule they were quoting. Fortunately an administrator has taken up my points as he knows the rules and knows that the comments against me were false. Since the administrator cannot easily be blocked the people that blocked me have had to actually communicate with him. Having seen them do that, they now agree to my points about the article. This only happened when those points came from an administrator, not me. I now see the WP:TAGTEAM that blocked me twice have been defeated by an administrator. With your help though they were able to block me twice, directly against the principles of WP:BOLD and WP:BITE. The debate about the accuracy of one source in the article has been the same for the administrator as it was for me. Yet when this opinion came from a newcomer it was dismissed and I was blocked. When it came from an administrator, who is not even as WP:COMPETENT as me, it was listened to and agreed with. So well done for biting the newcomer and now I am leaving Wikipedia. See WP:DONTBITE. Rather than contributing to an article I know a lot about, it will remain with those people who have no knowledge of the topic, who misrepresent the topic, misquote a secondary source, give it undue weight WP:UNDUE. They have been repeatedly accused of bias, abuse and destructive editing over a period of time by a number of other editors. Just look up on the talk page and you will see this. My original post was added to their comments and Ronz kindly moved it down to the bottom so that I seemed like a lone voice in the wilderness, rather than yet another person with concerns about this article. See WP:GANG. 86.93.139.223 (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.93.139.223 (talk)
 * Well, this is nice. IP, I'm not sure if you're still watching, or if you're gone for good, but I can tell you that my sole words on the matter were along the lines of "nout to do with me". I'm pretty good with not biting, given that I spend so long working with new editors, but if you think there's anything I could have done differently (besides getting involved in a dispute on a topic that I know nothing about and have no interest in, with a user who appears to be edit warring against consensus), I'd be glad to hear it. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have to feel for this user as I have and had the same bullying pulled on me, with the same article. There seems to be a gang of them, ad they user names are reported frequently around the external Internet that behave in this manner. If you create a beginer edit they revert it, usually with no edit history comment. If you attempt to replace it, figuring it was a vandal (troll elsewhere) and your edit was correct, you get a nasty warning on your user talk page saying roughly "you can't do that and you will get your butt kicked if you do it again". If you persist in editing a few dozen other times, eventually somebody will tell you about BRD, so you try it. You go to the talk page and post your opinion only to be told by some of the same bully team "opinions don't matter here", followed by more cold warnings about being a vandal or other policy, du jour. Next time one attempts to edit and supplies sources for statements by professional people only to be reverted with "not a notable source" or "we don't use primary sources to contradict secondary sources". If you attempt to complaint you get another editor giving you a ban on your talk page and telling you you violated one of the 4,567 WP rules. Sometimes you would attempt to expose or list some of the bias and how it doesn't appear to apply to these bully team members only to get banned again for WP:BLP. I didn't know article rules could apply to editors personalities behing an imaginary tough edit name, disguise. Last time I attempted to disclose insults on my person and copied them to my talk page the nasty comments not only disappeared from mine and their pages, but the edit histories vanished, as well.  I didn't know this was an option and appears quite deceptive as the wikipedia system seems to keep logs indefinitely. Apparently not for the few dishonest members of the bully team. I laid a complaint against one of this bully team and all I got was WP:Boomerang threats and WP:Stale and WP:BLP warnings from the offending bully, I complained about. I feel I am still suffereing from that as I get regularly visited by one of the same bully team, who hacks up my user page until I complain and then I get banned for WP:BLP or WP:3RR because they coud detect I was thinking about reverting one more time. Another good one is "lack of collaboration" on my own user talk page.  My conclusion is that this bully team exist to attack IP editors on a fear and predjudice basis. This seems to be the usual psychology, on the Internet in forums and real life, unfortunately. People fear the newbie and the unknown, attacking to rid themselves the unknown.  Most of the protection mechanisms are not available to IP editrs and are unknown. The more I educate myself on the ways of WP the more I realize they ren't not applied to IPs equally. I have been ridiculed so many times here I have toignore most of it, now. /rant off LOL 99.251.114.120 (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

WormTT. It always appears to be edit waring and lack of consensus when a WP:GANG work against someone. Without any knowledge of the issue, you could have looked and see that I responded to many requests for more information and each time this was seen as me denying consensus. You could have looked up and seen that many people have had the same experience on this article with these people. Since many people have had that issue you could have looked further into this. Since those attempting to improve the article are not working as a WP:GANG they turn up individually, make an effort to improve the article, then get attacked by the WP:TAGTEAM. So they give up and move on as I have done. So we need someone above them that can read the page and see the many complaints against them for this action, and the way they twist the system to make it appear that they are just looking for consensus. I don't know your status in Wikipedia, but you seemed like a well reasoned guy from your posts. So I thought you might invest some time in reading what other people, not me, have said about the WP:TAGTEAM on this article and done something about it. Anyway I am off again not coming back so you know that your lack of action, which I have seen you can take, is part of the reason I don't believe in Wikipedia and its insane rules. 86.93.139.223 (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for coming back to me. Indeed, I could have looked into the case, but since Wikipedia is a volunteer effort and I have more than enough to be getting on with, helping new users, working in areas that interest me and so on, I would need to expend an inordinate amount of time looking into an area that I have no interest. It is possible that it's a gang against one, or it's possible that it's one against consensus. Both situations do look the same, as you say. I'd have to understand the topic to be able to tell which is which, and it's just not a topic that I want to understand.
 * So, if lack of action is my only fault, then I will accept that fault as mine. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

My problem
I realized that my biggest problem on Wikipedia (and in a more minor sense in life) is that I am on everybody's side. The problem with being on everybody's side means that I end up on nobody's side. Ryan Vesey Review me!  00:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You know, I think that if I was on nobody's side, I would end up on everybody's side. Quite ironic.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  00:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You're on my side? Awesome! Nobody Ent 03:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha! Nice response! Ryan Vesey  Review me!  03:10, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm the same. Well, actually, I'm the opposite. I'm the ultimate devil's advocate, I always see the other point of view. That means that I'm not really on anyone's side, something that I'm sure my adoptees find disconcerting. Still, it works for me on wikipedia, and in life - you've just got to accept who you are. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As I was out learning to use a ride-on lawnmower today I realized I was sort of running around like a chicken with its head cut off screaming at the other chickens with their heads cut off. Eitherway, there is nothing that could get me to line up on either side in that particular argument.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  07:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I get the feeling you're talking about a specific argument? You might have to point me towards it. Otherwise, chickens without heads (which can live for years) can't scream :P No mouths... <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The whole Malleus thing, while I find myself to be the least partisan commenter, I guess I have commented on it, or a result of it at Requests for adminship/Avicennasis, WP:ANI, User talk:KoshVorlon, User talk:Malleus Fatuorum, Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, User talk:It Is Me Here, and probably some other areas. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  08:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I doubt you mean the whole Malleus thing, which has such a history it's difficult to review. All I will say on that is that if you do get involved, don't assume you know the history or believe anything that anyone says. If you want to know the history, look into it yourself. And yes, that will take a long long time :P <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * More like the recent Malleus thing. I've been involved with it in the past, so I've got a bit of context.  I'm certainly aware of his editing habits.  I've just been trying to quiet it down more than anything-just don't know if replying is a good way of quieting something down.  On one hand it adds a comment to something that could have stopped, on the other hand it could stop a potentially harsh rebuttal.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  08:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you don't reply for the most part. I keep out of it myself - people don't actually want a solution, they want to complain. They're seeing the situation as black and white, Malleus is perfect or impossible. He's just this guy, you know?. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point, my reply gives them a reason to reply. If I stop replying they'll lose interest.  The whole bully in the schoolyard thing.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  08:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back from vacation
Hi Dave, It's Rich and I hope you remember me. I am the newbie that was trying to add a space to my name right before you took a leave. Well I started a new account under this alias name and I have been doing lots of reading on Wikipedia P & P.

Is it o.k. to choose an editor, or administrator that you enjoy working with and calling on them when questions arrive? The reason I ask is the little work I've done with you has been encouraging to me and I feel comfortable calling on you.

While I'm hear at your impressive user/talk page, I do have a question to ask you about a first project of mine. A friend of mine who is a well know professional skateboarder by the name of John Rattray has a weak bio page and I am equipped with all his information to use in making it appear better and factual, but also help his fans know more about this great Scottish skateboard legend. This would be my first edit and I want to do it correctly for John, but there are little things I still don't know how to do and to be honest I'm a little nervous.

Do I need to use a table to designate an area for links that prove the facts I have? Should I add photos, which by the way I still don't know how to really add yet? Actually, there are several little questions and steps I have as a rookie that I just wish I could watch an experienced master like you do. I don't want to blow it, especially on a living person bio, so I thought I would approach you first.

Sorry for all the questions, hopefully you can answer most of them the best you can. I really do appreciate your work hear and I hope to learn as much as I can from you.

Okay Dave, that's it for now and I hope to talk to you soon.

Bye for now my friend,

Rich Vansman1 (talk) 07:08, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Rich! Sorry I've not been around at this formative time for you, I do seem to take the most awkward holidays ;) I'm glad you've come to me with questions, it can save some disappointment when you realise we have an odd way of doing things. I've got some very helpful people always willing to lend a hand on this page, so if it's not me who answers, don't worry too much. Oh, also, I've dropped new welcome message on your talk page, with a link to the TEAHOUSE - a place to ask questions. The great thing about the teahouse is that it's such a new project that everyone's really enthusiastic and questions are answered really quickly... so if I'm likely to be away from desk (out of UK office hours) you're welcome to ask there.
 * As to your questions - Yes, it's perfectly alright for you to ask questions and buddy up with people. I pride myself in enjoying work with new users and am always willing to offer advice, you can have a look through my talk page archives to see the variety of people I've helped. If you feel comfortable posting here, post away, I don't believe there's any such thing as a stupid question
 * Now, on to the tough part, John Rattray. I should warn you first off that you've got quite a challange ahead of you, because you're working on a living person biography, we're rather strict with the rules, and because you know him, you've got to be extra careful making sure you write the article from a neutral point of view - it can't be promotional. That said, I think you'll be able to do it, I've got faith!
 * So, firstly talking about references. I'm glad you've realised that references are essential, and I hope you've noticed that we focus on independent third party commentary (no self published sources!). The reference list actually gets automatically created, if you use inline citations. So, in the wikicode, if you were to type, it will add "Your reference" to the list of references at the bottom of the page. There's some tricks that allow you to use the same reference more than once too, all explained at the inline citations page. You might notice I suggested to Jenova above that he use the citation tool - I've included the same image here for you.
 * As for images, you need to be auto-confirmed for that, (which means having made 10 edits and been here 4 days) so let's come back to it. There's a lot of copyright rules you need to keep in mind, but I'll take you through them too. <font color="#000">WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC)