User talk:Worm That Turned/Archive 3

contradictions
Down to 49! You've done the lions share I'm sure. For me, now, it's time for rest. Best regards.--S. Rich (talk) 10:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

More on quoting
Hi, thanks for you help elsewhere. It seems I can quote someone elses written words in some circumstances?

Not sure what those circumstances are yet.

But can I quote what someone says someone else says? I think this would normally be regarded as hearsay

Eg In a book by A: "....is right. However B, in evidence he gave to the commission said 'I think it wrong for...'"

Can I quote B? 2829   VC 10:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Quoting is not normally a problem, there's some good reading at WP:Quotations and WP:Plagiarism that discusses proper attribution and when you should quote and not. I'm reading your question as "If a quote by B is given in a book by A, can I quote B?" - I don't see any problem with that, as long as you are stating where your source is and proper attribution is given.  Worm    TT   10:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, I'll have a look at the places you suggest as well 2829   VC 10:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You say tomato
You say トマト and I say トマト. Take a look at 701 (七百一) for my commentary. Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 14:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Beat you to it ;) I'm happy with the solution, good job.  Worm    TT   14:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help
I just wanted to say how good your adoption course is...and I wanted to give you this from me!

I'm still here!!
Hi Worm, Thank you for wondering where I've been and no I haven't forgotten about wikipedia! I am slowly working on my project, my topic for my Federal Indian Law and Policy class is the Navajo Nation v. U.S. Forest Service, 2007. Currently I am just searching around for research sources. Thank you, for agreeing to be my mentor, I am sure I will have loads of questions as I begin to edit :)Starryright (talk) 02:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)Starryright

Marcus Clarke article
I responded to your Request for Feedback. Didn't see any problems (and enjoyed the article). Tkotc (talk) 03:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 February newsletter
So begins round two of the WikiCup! We now have eight pools, each with eight random contestants. This round will continue until the end of April, when the top two of each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers of those remaining, will make it to round three. Congratulations to (first, with 487 points) and  (second, with 459), who stormed the first round. finished third with 223. Twelve others finished with over 100 points- well done to all of you! The final standings in round one can be seen here. A mere 8 points were required to reach round two; competition will no doubt be much more fierce this round, so be ready for a challenge! A special thanks goes, again, to for dealing with all bot work. This year's bot, as well as running smoothly, is doing some very helpful things that last year's did not. Also, thanks to for some helpful behind-the-scenes updating and number crunching.

Some news for those who are interested- March will see a GAN backlog elimination drive, which you are still free to join. Organised by WikiProject Good articles, the drive aims to minimise the GAN backlog and offers prizes to those who help out. Of course, you may well be able to claim WikiCup points for the articles you review as part of the drive. Also ongoing is the Great Backlog Drive, looking to work on clearing all of the backlogs on Wikipedia; again, incentives are offered, and the spirit of friendly competition is alive, while helping the encyclopedia is the ultimate aim. Though unrelated to the WikiCup, these may well be of interest to some of you.

Just a reminder of the rules; if you have done significant work on content this year and it is promoted in this round, you may claim for it. Also, anything that was promoted after the end of round one but before the beginning of round two may be claimed for in round two. Details of the rules can be found on this page. For those interested in statistics, a running total of claims can be seen here, and a very interesting table of that information (along with the highest scorers in each category) can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Re:WikiCup question
No, "drive-by" nominations are not eligible for points. That's not to say that they aren't a good thing, just that they aren't currently recognised :) J Milburn (talk) 10:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Blue Ribbon Bacon Festival
The DYK project (nominate) 12:06, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Please be the mentor for the students working on Tiered service
Hi Worm-TT! I'm currently trying to assign mentors to all the remaining groups in Professor Obar's class. Would you be the mentor for the group of students working on Tiered service? If you can do it, thanks! If not, please let me know.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 01:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Consider it done.  Worm    TT   08:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassador Program
Please take a look at this project page and see if you can be a mentor to one of the many Areas of Study. If you can, please put your name in the "Online Mentor" area of the Area of Study of your choice and then contact the students you will be working with. As the Coordinating Online Ambassador for this project, please let me know if I can be of assistance. Take Care... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Check Your Area of Study
Hello, I have updated the Project Page you are mentoring on with usernames for all the students in your Area of Study. Please send them a message introducing yourself and let them know you are there to help.

As always, please let me know if I can be of assistance. Take Care... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 10:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Mentor!
Hi, My name is Alex and I am pleased to be working with you. I am part of the United States Public Policy Initiative for my Telecommunications class. I am hoping to gain knowledge of Wikipedia from you whether it be through properly referencing sources or writing in the correct style. Our topic is tiered service and I hope you can give our group some good help over the next couple weeks. Thanks! Awdietrich (talk) 13:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Good morning Alex! You can call me what you like (Worm, Worm That Turned, Mentor, Dave, WormTT) I answer to them all. What on EARTH are you doing up before 9am? You are a student aren't you? I'm actually a Brit, but I'm sure I can still help you out. As to the topic, what sort of timescales do you have to update it? Very good of you to pop over and say hello, hopefully we'll be chatting more in the coming weeks. You know where to find me!  Worm    TT   13:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My class involving Wikipedia has me up early. Not to excited this early. Our first update we need is 250 words by March 15th I believe. Awdietrich (talk) 13:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I used to have that, 4 ruddy 9am lectures a week, and then for the most part the rest of the day off. I mean, do they not know that students and mornings don't mix? Anyway. 250 words as a group, or each? If it's as a group, that's not bad at all, I'm sure you'll be able to do it without difficulty. I've got my eye on your respective sandboxes and I'm sure I'll be able to poke you all in the right direction. Feel free to use the "email user" function, and even if I'm away from a computer I'll do my best to reply through my phone :)  Worm    TT   13:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Scam Baiting
I have a few of these emails, if i blocked the email addresses, would it possible to add one to the commons as an image for the article scam baiting as an example? A picture is worth a thousand words as they say. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 13:58, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't recommend it, no. The text is technically subject to copyright, you wouldn't have permission to release it to the public domain. The fact that no one has done it for an article such as Advanced-fee fraud should ring alarm bells!  Worm    TT   14:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I just figured no one had thought of doing it, it's that darn copyright again lol.
 * Anyhow, just thought it might help.
 * Thanks for the reply  J e n o v a  20 17:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's a pain, but it keeps the encyclopedia free :)  Worm    TT   17:27, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Adoptee
Hey Worm, I think your protege, User:Mikeymand, won't be with us for much longer. Still, I want to thank you for working with them in the first place: that speaks volumes about your character. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 20:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words, and especially for notifying me while I was away from my computer. I had a feeling he wasn't going to last, but it was worth a try.  Worm    TT   21:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * And for that you are to be applauded. I couldn't have done it. Thanks Worm, Drmies (talk) 01:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Making Tables in Articles
Hi Worm! I have drafted a chunk of my article on Lyng v. Northwest Indian Cemetery Protection Association. In other Articles regarding court cases, they all have a table with the US Supreme Court Seal, and all the info about respondents, justices etc. I have put all that info into the the top of my article temporary until I can figure out how to do this. I am guessing there is a template of some sort for this but I can not find it. Do you know where I might look? Thanks! --Jackiewickens (talk) 02:09, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you, I really appreciate that.  Worm    TT   15:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Your WikiHero award
For a userbox, you can use. -Porchcrop (talk 22:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Porchcrop. I had hoped for one of these, but didn't expect it so soon!  Worm    TT   07:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pasty
The article Pasty you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Pasty for things which need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 02:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Mentor
Just giving a hello to you. I just posted up some content for our page on Awdietrich. Let me know what you think! Looking forward to your help with this project.

Hamer19 (talk) 22:07, 14 March 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.10.65 (talk)

Hello
Hi! thanks for the comment, glad to see that I'm on the right track so far :). I'll be sure to let you know if we have any questions while working on this project, thanks for being our mentor!

Rifelpet (talk) 00:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi There!
I'm a member of the group working on the Tying of Apple products topic. I look forward to hearing your feedback as we begin to write more content. Thanks!

Dsayles08 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 15 March 2011 (UTC).

Marking articles students are working on
Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:


 * 1) Add  to the articles' talk pages.  (The other parameters of the WAP assignment template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
 * 2) If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: WikiProject United States Public Policy
 * 3) Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself.  The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well.  The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them The WikiPen if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Cornish Pasty, etc.
Hiya Worm, and well done on editing the article up to GA status! I have entered a few filling variations, & the pastry recipe, in Wikibooks. Now, I have 7 variations on Squab pie in my recipe book, would you like a few? :) Eventually, I want to get the whole book online. Archolman 04:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Voting
Hi, can you check i did this right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nissan_March I'm trying to get a vote to change the article name to the most commonly used one and wanted our advice on if i've done this right or need to use a template to get attention and more responses. I'm not asking you to give your vote or opinion in any way, i'm just asking that you check my work. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 15:36, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You're looking for requested moves which gives you an explanation of how to request a move. It'll open it to the large community too :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, that was easy =]
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 17:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Managed to create my first page =] must be getting good at this *thumbs up* "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jenova20/" Also created a template, although not the ones you did in the test. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 12:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Jolly good! I'm afraid I'm stuck in meetings all day today, but I'll look at them as soon as I can :D  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Gold hat
User's trolling. Don't feed further.  Swarm   X 10:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So I see - I stopped replying very quickly.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

RFA question
Hi, thanks for your question.

Though your question is generic it does probe my past account history. My declaration about my previous account (stating that I was never blocked but had an RFC/U) was created after a long dialogue with Arbcom and after review with one critic at the RFC that John V. described as "an extremely long term and trusted community member" for good reason. Answering any questions about my past account will undermine confidentiality and noting that the SPA "Roncopa" had just added a pot-shot attempt at outing I suspect that any such information will be used for negative reasons. I could answer your question generically by referring to JV's statement and my existing declaration but I am not sure this is particularly helpful or illuminating.

If you feel your question is appropriate under the GRFA and Clean start policy then I support the principle that you are free to raise these questions, however perhaps you could take a moment to re-visit it in the context of how useful it is in my RFA and how constrained I will be forced to be in any reply I make. Thanks Fæ (talk) 10:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. I did hope my question was generic enough that it would not cause an issue. I strongly support your adminship, since I could not find any problems with your work and due to the endorsements of some other editors I respect, and I was hoping the question could allay concerns. Since SPAs are clearly attempting to out you, answering that question will clearly not be helpful, and I have stricken it.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Nicely done, thank you for your good judgement and explanation. Fæ (talk) 11:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Page Redirect
Hi, i realise i ask a lot of you, but do you know how i get a page to redirect to another? Like say a Banana search may possibly redirect to the fruit article for example. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 15:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed I do, I've created a few myself. You have to create the page first, and the way I do that is find the page that I want as a redirect. Say I want to make Banna as a redirect to Banana, I'd search for Banna. If it doesn't exist you get an option to create it. Then you put in the following code #REDIRECT Banana - and that's it. Does that make sense?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It's alright, i managed.
 * Terra van
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 09:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed you have - good job!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Professor Obar Concerns
Got a message about an hour ago from Professor Obar of the Media and Telecommunication Policy project and I think it is viewed best in full:

"Can you please communicate to the online mentors that I DO NOT want them moving student material into the main space for them. This is a big problem. I have noticed that this has happened with a number of the projects already, for example, in the broadband.gov article and the media cross-ownership article. We need the students to be doing this on their own, of course so they can learn how to do it, and also so that I can grade what they've done. How am I supposed to follow student submissions if the data is associated with online mentors? A BIG PROBLEM ALREADY... please help me with this. None of you responded to my post about this on the discussion page. This is about to get out of hand. Jaobar (talk) 05:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)"

With that, of course, please only give instructions on how to move, don't do it for them. Please only let them know what to do and let them do it themselves. If they run into problems, provide further instructions. Do not it for them. This seems to be making a mess of Prof. Obar's grading system and I would like to avoid that. Thanks. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  •  Coor. Online Amb'dor  • 06:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood. Wasn't planning to do anything for them anyway - I'm far too lazy for that.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks so much for offering to assist with the people My76Strat has been mentoring. You rock!--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Why thank you! I was trying to work out if I "rocked" or if I just have far too much time on my hands. I'm glad it's the former...  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 15:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011
Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 22:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Both Acroterion and I have replied. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  •  Coor. Online Amb'dor  • 18:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Task force
Pursuing the task force idea ... would you be interested in participating, and if so, would it be possible for you to round up some people who share your views and keep in touch with them as the task force makes recommendations? - Dank (push to talk) 20:58, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank You!
I just wanted to say thank you for all of the help you've offered me since I started here. I think that I really lucked out getting you as an adopter, and I probably would have given up at my first AfD hurdle had I not had your help. I am rubbish at saying pleasant things (almost to the point of notability!) but you are a gent for all your patience and hard work in taking care of us new folk, and a credit to Wikipedia. I genuinely look forward to working with you again in future. Perhaps if I can get my studies in to the effect of mainlining Doom Bar published... Bennydigital (talk) 11:34, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely welcome. You may feel you've lucked out with me, but I can promise you I've lucked out with you. Many adoptees will give up before the process is finished, or not use the process in good faith, and I am glad I've managed to get at least one all the way through! (I've got a feeling I'm going to get at least 1 possibly 2 more, so I'm quite chuffed overall!) I'm sure we'll work together in the future and you're always welcome to come along to my page if you need a hand with anything. Re: Doom Bar, I'm not sure a single beer deserves an article - but I am tempted to see if it's possible to stop Sharp's Brewery looking like an advert and get that up to good status!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Interested?
After your great work with food articles I thought you can help these two articles get to GA, Carne asada fries and Big Mac. Both are important as one is a popular dish In Southern California and one is a famous Fast food burger. Spongie555 (talk) 23:52, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll stick them on my to-do list :) I've got a few to get sorted first - I'm aiming for a good topic, but I'm sure I can get them done. I assume Big Mac as in McDonalds flagship burger? It doesn't look far off a GA already, just needs a bit of a copy edit and a little more research. As for the fries, I'm sure they're tastier than they look in that picture. I'll see what I can do.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:59, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Help with tables
Hi its e linniebc Im in need of some help,,idk y Im so lost? idk what Im doing wrong, either. thank u linniebc  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linniebc (talk • contribs) 00:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Requested ACC Interface access - reviewed
I have just requested an account on the ACC account creation interface. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have approved your request for access to the ACC Interface. Please review the guide and if you have any questions, you may contact myself or another tool admin. Please note, abuse of the system will result in immediate loss of access/tools. You are responsible for all of your actions on this tool and when creating accounts on Wikipedia. Use of an automated tool is not an excuse. Cheers,  D u s t i *poke* 19:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers Dusti  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 21:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Eureka! We're all morons.
Thanks for responding ... I'm trying to keep my promise not to respond there unless I made a mistake or was unclear, I think it's up to everyone to decide what direction to go. I don't mind saying here that it wouldn't bother me if new admins were allowed or expected to do different things after 6 months. - Dank (push to talk) 21:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, looking at it from the other point of view, having a "probation period" for new admins where they can't try to fix the possibly unfixable unfixed sounds like a very sensible idea to me. Any admin who can't show the patience and forethought to step back from a situation doesn't deserve to be an admin IMO  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 21:51, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Msg from Lionel
Btw like the fancy talkpage w/the tabs. Lionel (talk) 22:21, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyright Question
Although i don't plan to add any pictures, can you confirm that a car picture can be added to Wikipedia if the nuber plate is blocked out and there isn't any revealing information on the car? Thanks  J e n o v a  20 09:21, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Privacy would be a good reason to block out a number plate. Otherwise the normal copyright concerns are there, ownership of the image and so on. I'd be surprised if a picture of a car could be fair use, but if only half a dozen were made and they've all since been destroyed - possibly.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * So a limited edition of just 10 Ferrari F430s - possibly not.
 * But a Ford Focus with millions - yes?
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 10:04, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's my thought, yeah. I could walk down the street and see half a dozen Focus's, so I could easily take a picture for the article. But even if you were talking about the one off F430 SP1, which to the best of my knowledge is owned by Junichiro Hiramatsu, you couldn't really claim fair use - because the car IS out there, and you could get permission for a photo - find out where he might be driving it or if you could go and see it etc. On the day it's totalled and there's no way to get a free image - THAT'S when you can claim fair use. If there's a way to get a picture - you can't claim fair use.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know how you do it but when you talk copyright now, it makes sense =]
 * Very informative! Thanks  J e n o v a  20 10:21, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't do it at all, you managed to get your head around it :D I knew you had it in you ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Only because you reworded it, take some of the credit here.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 11:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)