User talk:Worm That Turned/Archive 6

Vandalism
Done  J e n o v a  20 09:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup Duty
You showed me the script of new article changes to patrol for vandalism. Is there one where i can see any information in an article that has been marked as needing a reference? I'd like to give that a go, clean freak and all lol. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 12:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not exactly... but yes. Yes there is. There have two major "Special" pages that I use, Special:NewPages which gives an up to date list of recently created pages. And Special:RecentChanges which gives an up to date list of recent changes to the pedia. Now, both of these update on the fly, and are very useful for their purpose.
 * What you're looking for is the backlogs. WP:CLEANUP is a massive project which sorts out all the backlogs of tags added, for all sorts of different things. You could focus on Category:Articles lacking sources, there's a few (253,833) in there... BUT if you want my personal opinion, your work would be best focused on the much more important project WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. BLPs are one of the most sensitive areas of Wikipedia, actual people out there could be harmed by the information on wikipedia. There's now 4,600 odd left, and they really want to clear it. What's more, if you find out a lot about a person, and can double the length of the article (min 1500 chars overall), you can submit it to WP:DYK. Let me know if you're thinking about a submission, I'll lend you a hand.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll consider that but i'm looking for something i can do quickly without a lot of research for this month before holiday.
 * And being a neatfreak i'm actually looking forward to this =]
 * Is it the same area i posted on my own talk page yesterday?
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 08:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're a volunteer Jenova, and you are welcome to do what you want. VN is a new one on me, but it says "Use this inline template tag to label ostensibly sourced text which appears doubtful or false and to request source verification" So you'll need to go into the source and check what's said, and if the source is reliable. I expect that many will be offline sources, and so require library work, but have fun. Category:Articles lacking sources is about articles that are missing sources - why don't you have a look at WikiProject Fact and Reference Check, see if anything jumps out?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The amount of beurocracy here is incredible, it's mad that there's so many different categories but necessary.
 * The source you got is the better one, i'll use that.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 10:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi Worm, I'm gonna sum this up as best I can. You do adopt users, and from what I have seen you teach them the basics of codes, writing articles and loads of other stuff that I'm rubbbish at. I am pretty good at monitoring vandalism, dodgy new pages and horrid usernames. Seeing as what you do, and what I do, are very different, I was wondering if you wanted to try doing a shared adoption course for one of your current or future adoptees. It would lighten the load a bit for you, and help me get into adoption. Obviously, I want to try it out (adoption) but if it's too much for me to handle, I also want to be able to drop out with disappointing my adoptee. I hope this is OK. If you could message me back on my userpage, that would be great!! Cheers, RDN1F (don&#39;t) (talk) (to) (me) (before) (my) (coffee) (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Adoption
Yes please. Was it User:adam mugliston. Thanks.  Wilbysuffolk   Talk to me  15:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Final test
Done now!  Rcsprinter  (talk)  15:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Re.
Hi Worm. I was thinking about some of your ideas and I'll probably start by just covering some basics, maybe with a future adoptee of yours (if this is OK with you, of course). If you get an adoptee, I'd like to just have a go (even if just for one lesson) and if I fail, then I will probably give up on adoption, but if I enjoy it, the adoptee enjoys it and your OK with it, I may go out into the big Wiki World and become an official adopter for that topic (or just team up with someone and do a completely joined adoption course). I hope this is ok. If it is, next time you get an adoptee, could you just pop a message onto my userpage but if this sounds like a terrible idea you want nothing to do with, leave a note on my userpage saying that (no need to be suttle!). As I said, I don't mind at all and I won't take it personally. Thanks for your help RDN1F (don&#39;t) (talk) (to) (me) (before) (my) (coffee) (talk) 16:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Back!
I'm back now! :) The computer rocks! (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

email
Thanks for the quick response. Sorry, but it seems I'm exceptionally thick tonight - I can't isolate the special page for email. Can you put me out of my misery please? Ta, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're a hero! Thanks!! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Any time WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello. Thank you for dropping by to offer help. I usually only do things I already understand and am good at, which are editing for grammar, sense, elegance, and reducing long, unmanageable sections of an article to a more concise and readable form. I rarely attempt anything much more complicated (don't have the time, for one thing), but occasionally I do run into situations where others are passionately objecting to something or taking a stand that I don't understand (which is what happened here) and then I do seek guidance from more experienced editors; I will turn to you in the future if I have a question. I'm not sure I'm really cut out for WP, as I get frustrated about working hard on things that can be entirely re-written the next day. I am a writer and have a great deal of editing experience, but I'm used to what I'm doing staying done! Anyway, thank you for your quiet sanity and clarity regarding the issue I needed resolved. How the notability guideline applied to these episodes wasn't clear to me until after you specifically explained that "significant coverage" could consist of books about Buffy the Vampire Slayer; I thought it meant things unassociated with the subject (like an article in a magazine not associated with the Buffyverse). I appreciate your patience, help and your good wishes. Take care. --TEHodson 12:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Just a Heads Up
I'm going to fail your last adoption exam, there's too much there for a week (for me anyway) I'll still attempt it but i'm going to have to learn more stuff and i'm not that optimistic. And if i do manage to complete the exam i may delete this so you never knopw i gave up. Will speak when you get back and enjoy the holiday  J e n o v a  20 14:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite gone yet. Do what you can, I'll take the other factors into account. You've got a week... and a bit, I'm willing to waive the week, try 10 days on for size :) Just do your best, that's all I can ask for.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well i wasn't asking for special treatment, just pointing out that i've skipped through so far and couldn't find an appealing start point.
 * I'd consider it fair if i failled for going over a week just because everyone had the same rules, i'm only complaining because i've seen about 3 adoptees zoom past me and finish ages ago while i was still stuck on copyright.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 14:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Two things Jenova. 1) This is flexible. I'm trying to prove to YOU that you can do it (I've already let one adoptee go over a week and another pass under the pass mark). 2) I believe you can do it. Some adoptees may have zoomed past you, but in general I've felt you've asked more appropriate questions and shown a better understanding than many.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Flattery will get you many things and many places Worm but i'm a realist not an optimist.
 * Nether-the-less you've got me thinking it may just be possible to do this in a week now.
 * Your challenge is accepted.
 *  J e n o v a  20 14:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Clone
Hi, check this out: http://www.mywikibiz.com/Main_Page It's a clone of Wikipedia to make as much money as possible.  J e n o v a  20 12:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Request At My Page
Arvingssingh (talk) 15:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC) hi thanks for it.

Nicola Horlick
Dear Dave,

Thanks for your offer of assistance. It has been pointed out to me that Wikipedia has been carrying a piece about Madoff on my page for the last three years which is inaccurate and defamatory. It is a long and complicated story, but I used to be one of two managers for an investment company called Bramdean Alternatives, which was publicly listed. The two managers were Bramdean Asset Management LLP (my company) and RMF (part of Man Group). Bramdean Asset Management was responsible for selecting private equity and other specialist funds for the company and RMF was responsible for hedge funds. RMF invested in Madoff funds and, indeed, had $360 million invested for a range of clients. When Madoff blew up, the press could not understand the difference between Bramdean Alternatives (a publicly quoted company owned by a whole range of shareholders including pension funds) and Bramdean Asset Management LLP (a company owned by me and others). They also could not understand that my company had nothing to do with the Madoff investments. There were numerous articles written which stated that I personally had lost money in Madoff, which was untrue, and other articles written that said that I had personally invested 9% of the company's money in Madoff, which was also untrue. Although RMF invested in Madoff, they also invested in John Paulson's hedge fund, which was the best performing hedge fund in the world in 2008. If you put £100 each into two funds and one goes to zero and the other is worth £300 at the end of a year, then you are still 50% up overall and that is what happened. Bramdean Alternatives actually saw a rise of 0.4% for its Sterling investors in 2008 when equity markets fell by 40% and it was the second best performing investment trust in the UK, despite the write-off of 9% of the asset value due to Madoff. The way that this is all reported on my page is incorrect, misleading and extremely damaging to my reputation. The interview that I did on the Today Programme in 2008 is referred to on the page. In that interview, I made all of these points. As far as the suggestion that the SEC was at fault, a report was published during 2009 by the SEC, which admitted that they were at fault. I would greatly appreciate your help with this. In my view, having inaccurate information on Wikipedia undermines its credibility and it should be prepared to put the record straight. In my view, the whole Madoff section should be deleted from my page as it was nothing to do with me.

Kind regards,

Nicola — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.185.213.178 (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Nicola. I can see how this sort of thing can happen, I've seen the press get very different companies with similar names mixed up in the past. I'm afraid you might have to be a little patient with me (and Wikipedia), the information is sourced to what we would generally consider "reliable" sources. As such, it's generally a bad idea to remove the information on the back of a single editor's say so.
 * I do agree that Wikipedia needs to have accurate information, and will do my best to confirm the information you've given me. Do you happen to know of any sources which confirm what you've said, confirming the SEC were at fault, or a retraction from any newspapers regarding their mixups? I'll have a listen to the Today program, and do a little further research.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * One recommendation  is to  contact  Wikipedia at info-en-q@wikipedia.org per WP:LIBEL. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kudpung, I couldn't find the right email address but had been looking. I'll be trying to get the article as accurate as possible too. Nicola, if you have any concerns with the article, now or after I'm done, that email address is a good one to write to.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

117.224.232.234 (talk) hifriend thanks for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.224.232.234 (talk) 15:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I do need your help
Wow! Look at that! A message to me and a picture! Very cool. And aren't you lucky, being in Cornwall. I'm on the coast of Oregon, right on the ocean, which is pretty great, too.

Well, I think I should stay away from editing Buffy pages. My god. When you get a chance, can you look in on the Hush page, in the Plot Summary section? I made a few changes to make it accurate, gave a detailed explanation of why and how the changes relate to points later fleshed out in the article, and then all hell broke loose. This guy Moni3 (talk) reverted me three or four times immediately, and finally addressed me on the Talk page only after I re-reverted and asked him to please explain. Since then I have explained and explained and everything I've said is backed up by the episode and the sources, but he has refused to accept these relatively minor changes and has stated outright that it's because he wrote the article and feels it is his. He has become enraged, in fact, and says he continually gets into these situations with people who simply won't accept that their work compromises the integrity of his articles (well you can read it all for yourself). I think we need help, and believe me, I'm never going near a Buffy ep again, but I do think this is important. This is the only ep to win an Emmy for writing, and it seems an accurate plot summary is sensible, to say the least. I didn't make it longer, either; shorter, in fact. But this is clearly not about that--it's about him being unwilling to collaborate, and he's pretty frank about that. On another subject, I don't seem to be able to figure out how to archive my Talk page. Am I asking too much of you? If so you can tell me frankly that one favor is enough (or too much). I thank you in advance. Hope you're enjoying yourself.--TEHodson 01:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And now it's going on on The Body. I re-worked two sentences to accurately reflect the nature of the scene and to clean up some sloppy grammar, and they can't let it stand. They've reverted twice (by "them" I mean Moni and one of the other co-writers of the pages; they've been working together, and revert everyone else for the past year). They can't, or won't, play with others.--TEHodson 05:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I feel terrible, like a tattle-tale child, but I've never seen the kind of stubborn, oppositonal obstruction I've met on the Buffy pages. I explained the grammar problem on the Talk page for The Body; we'll see if they get it. I should stick to editing less controversial pages, like, say, political ones!--TEHodson 05:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not taking it personally now that I've read her (!) responses to others. She "hates WP" and those of us who annoy her so she "has to get drunk" to face the horror of it. I'm not sure what that bodes for a solution! Is it always like this here?--TEHodson 08:19, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm now being tag-teamed on The Body over a re-arrangement of a single sentence so that its grammar is proper. Moni and I had agreed to wait for help and be in truce in the meantime, so Courcelles came in and reverted me in her stead, and then spoke condescendingly of my good intentions but wrong-headedness in precisely the sort of language deemed inappropriate by WP:OWN. I quit. I can't take it. The people involved in the three Buffy page disputes seem to love arguing for the sake of it. Reverting a grammatical correction on the basis that the article is a FA therefore shouldn't be touched by someone who isn't them? Really? I changed this sentence: "In art class, she talks with him and they share a moment of understanding about being troubled while they sketch." The sentence now properly reads: "In art class she talks with him as they sketch, and the two share a moment of understanding about being troubled." As they're not troubled about sketching, the sentence was backward. And those two have been freaking out and fighting with me because it's "their" article. I don't care anymore. I've never seen anything like it. Well, that's not true. Many months ago I was working on the Salem Witch Trials page which was in serious need of help, but one editor considered it his page and harrassed so many of us who were working on it that he got banned, but I quit the page before it got that bad. Editing here is something I do for fun and relaxation and because I think I have something to offer. But now I just feel as though I'm going to scream. Not once did they change one thing back, or rewrite a sentence or two, or agree that this could stay but that should go back as it was, just full-scale reverting over and over with the single reason: because we wrote the articles and you don't understand how to edit them. And the changes were so minor! I'm sorry if it's rude to say so, but their behavior does not seem sane to me. I have to stop before my behavior is no longer sane. Thank you, though.--TEHodson 22:10, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There's people like that on a lot of articles TEHodson, they're very defensive and it's a bad thing because the article suffers.
 * There's also worse articles to try and edit (Daily Mail/Mail Online)
 *  J e n o v a  20 14:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your words of commiseration, Jenova. To Worm, I think we've worked it out re the two pages I was trying to clean up, but I'm not going to work on Buffy articles anymore, certain sure. What an ordeal!--TEHodson 05:19, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bacon Challenge 2012
Hello! You have been invited to take part in the Bacon Challenge 2012. In case you don't know or need a refresher, the Bacon Challenge is an annual celebration of bacon on Wikipedia in which editors come together to help create, expand, and improve Wikipedia's coverage of bacon. The event lasts all the way through National Pig Day 2012, giving participants plenty of time to work at their pleasure. In addition to the Bacon Challenge is the Bacon WikiCup 2012, a side event to the Challenge in which all bacon-related contributions done by those participating in the Challenge are submitted and scored by the scorekeeper (me) based on the scoring chart. At the end of the Challenge, the user with the most points in the Bacon WikiCup will win a shiny trophy for their userpage. In addition, the users who score the highest in specific categories (not yet finalized, but the categories include most image uploads, most article creations, most DYK submissions, and more) will win barnstars. Finally, all participants will receive a medal. While the awards are nice, in the end, the important thing is to have fun and enjoy what we're all here for, which is improving Wikipedia.

If you decide to participate, great! You may add your name to the participants list at the main page of the Bacon Challenge 2012, and pick up the userbox for your userpage if you desire. Signing up for the Challenge will also automatically enter you into the Bacon WikiCup. If you don't wish to participate, that's fine too - maybe next year! In the meantime, if you know anyone who might also be interested in participating, feel free to invite them! The Challenge is open to anyone and accepts participants at any time, so feel free to let anyone who might be interested know.

Note that I, the scorekeeper of the Bacon WikiCup, will be on vacation starting on the 18th of June all the way up until the 5th of July. I will have limited access to the internet, so I may or may not be able to score users' contributions during this time. Sorry for any delay in scoring (but since the Challenge lasts for more than half a year, there's no rush, right? (= ).

I'm looking forward to another fun, successful year. Thanks! ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 22:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

NOTNOW
Hi Worm. There are now some possible proposals at Wikipedia talk:RfA reform 2011/Possible proposals to  reduce obvious  non-starters. BTW: It's interesting to  know that the de.Wiki has a 'One year and significant  four-figure edit' threshold. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Task force WP:RFA2011 update
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Back To Work
Hi, there's a discussion to Rename Toyota Vitz as Toyota Yaris on the Toyota Vitz Talk Page, please let your opinion be known there. I had to read the rules on votestacking and canvassing lol so i'm just gonna copy and paste this message on peoples pages who have at some point shopwn an interest in car articles to be in line with that rule. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 11:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Adoption tests
Hello, I am fairly experienced user, but I was wondering if I might take your tests? Ryan Vesey (talk) 22:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, could I actually be adopted by you? I know I already have a mentor and experience on Wikipedia, but I wish I had initially gone through this process and I think it might help. Ryan Vesey (talk) 21:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks once again
Thank you for stopping by and awarding the barnstar. I was glad that Moni and I came to an agreement. I think the article Hush is much better now, too. It was nice having someone to turn to, even just to vent. Take care.--TEHodson 23:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

 * Thanks a lot :) Certainly worth the work!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Definitely =]  J e n o v a  20 10:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Strangely Quiet
Nothing triggered my watchlist since 8 Am today, that's weird because it's almost as if everyone has a life today lol. I've more than 100 watchlist pages now and i've never seen it this quiet. Did you have the same quietness today? Thanks  J e n o v a  20 16:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't say I did. I have nearly 1k pages on my watchlist though!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there a size limit to the watchlist?
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 10:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of, but this thread implied it got stuck around 19k.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll never have 19k.
 * I wipe pages from my watchlist if nothing happens on them for ages.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 10:02, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you give me your opinion on this?
Can you look at the first sentence of this section? It states that they sailed in the S.S. Onega (Oneida?). This looks terrible and I can't find sources for either. The editor who put it in stated on the talk page, "Lucas records the ship carrying his parents to the Falklands after their marriage as S.S. Onega whereas the display board in Harberton church records it as the S.S. Oneida." Do I remove one, or find a way to work around the entire thing? I would prefer that it is not on the page as I would like to get the article to B or good article status. Ryan Vesey (talk) 13:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that you remove it the boat name for now, leaving a message on the talk page that the name of the ship is not necessary unless it can be verified. It's unencylopedic, certainly doesn't look good.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Later, when I believe it is ready to be reviewed for quality, could you give it a once-over and see what last minute improvements you could find?  I also started reading ahead on the copyright lesson.  There had been an image I wanted to add as the logo of a company and I realized I could use it under fair use rationale-more specifically due to WP:LOGO.  When I tried to add it to Wikimedia Commons, I realized that it could not be done and must be added on the individual language Wikipedia project.  Was the fact that non-free images could not be added to commons included in your lesson I may have missed it ?  If it wasn't, I think it probably should be.  Unfortunately, I was still unable to upload the image as the copy of the image I added appeared incorrect. Ryan Vesey (talk) 14:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you help with some DYK analysis?
Saw your work on RFAs and want to do something similar for analyzing patterns at DYK. Can you help? Getting a bot to scan the archives and fill out a datebase or excel spreadsheet or whatever would be a big thing. I have some ideas on what analyses to run, but bet you can suggest more also.TCO (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there copyright infringement on Florida Photographic Collection?
Much of the information on this page is copied from [this website]. The site seems to be slightly affiliated or funded by the government and the only copyright information on the site is about the images. Is the text on the site protected by free use? Ryan Vesey (talk) 22:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a fairly short article, but I do agree that there's no evidence that the text appears to be taken without attribution and doesn't appear to be public domain, so yep, it appears to be a copyvio. As for what to do about that, I think it's probably easy enough to sort out rather than hitting it hard, there only appears to be two or three offending sentences, why don't you have a go at cleaning it?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 02:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, good idea. I'm working on an article related to it.  If you live in England, isn't it 2:30 am where you live? Ryan Vesey (talk) 02:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Christ you scared me! I wasn't expecting to get messages at this time of night, just marking your tests. It's not 2:30, no. It's 3:30. And I'm up. I'm at work. I'm not too happy about it, but that's the way it goes, I'm supporting a late night website release. Let me know if I can do anything on the Allen Morris article, happy to read over/offer pointers when you're ready for it.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 02:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's 9:42 p.m. here, I'm on Wikipedia at 2 in the morning at times too. I'm a swing manager at McDonalds and have to close fairly often. Ryan Vesey (talk) 02:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you indeed. Someone mentioned to me once that Big Mac ought to be a good article - it's one of my pet projects that I'm too lazy/busy to do.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 02:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just know how to make them really fast, I don't know much about the history, but I'll take a look. Ryan Vesey (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Need your help in this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Szolan/Shalini_Bahl

the above article had been be deleted on ground of notability etc. whereas the subject is real life achiever and a known personality in her area.

i will take up rafati thing once i wake up :) thnx & regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Szolan (talk • contribs) 21:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Might be a few days before it all gets done, but once the first article is live, we can look at that.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 21:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

hi worm! have edited the rafati page substantially. can i make it live now? thnx {Szolan (talk) 03:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)}

User:Rcsprinter123
I'm assuming you're still mentoring him, if so you might like to have a word with him about his secondary account User:Sprinting_faster and contentious behavior at AfD. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Curiosity got the better of me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:89.242.88.227 Care to explain? :) "what [sic] can I say. I deserve to be unblocked. I am not WORM THAT TURNED. I will admit that. Worm That Turned knows who I am though, and HE hacked into my account...so thanks for that a LOT WTT [Worm That Turned]! I was just getting revenge for him getting my [sic] banned through hacking" Any idea who he/she and what he/she is on about. I'm not questioning you but I guess curiosity got the better of me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RDN1F (talk • contribs) 19:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello again
Just saw you pop up on an article I was trying to get on DYK, but had run out of info for! As ever, thank you sir! How's things? I see you have more graduates! You'll soon be charging £9k for the privilege I'm sure! Cheers again.  Benny Digital  Speak Your Brains 20:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Cheers for the extra info you sent over the other day. Sorry I'm late in replying to you, I was in a field Somerset, out of my tree, with various hippies and other such lunatics...  Benny Digital  Speak Your Brains 08:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Your input is requested
Greetings!

As a member of the RfA improvement task force, your input is requested at the possible proposals page, which consists of ideas that have not yet been discussed or developed.

Please look though the ideas and leave a comment on the talk page on the proposal(s) you would most like to see go forward. Your feedback will help decide which proposals to put to the community. And, as always, feel free to add new suggestions. Thanks!

Swarm, coordinator, RfA reform 2011

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Hi!
Hi, I asked a question at the Wikipedia help desk about the adopt user page because I was wondering what it was. Your name was on a blueish box on someone's page so I decided to ask you to "adopt" me (weird name...). Thanks! Hurricanefan25 (talk) 15:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there a specific way to write a Wikipedia article ... ? Because I want to work on the article David Kim. Hurricanefan25 (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Final test
I am going to be away from Wikipedia tomorrow and on thursday. Should I wait to take the final test until I get back? I noticed that parts of the test have time limits. Ryan Vesey (talk) 15:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'm just going to start it. Ryan Vesey (talk) 15:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

You've done 8 lessons in 1 week. I'm sure you can do the test in that time ;) I expect you'll finish it before you go away, but even if you don't it won't take you long.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I assumed it was going to give me like 30 hours or something. Ryan Vesey (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Userboxes
Hi, i found this

and was wondering where to find an Android one. Already looked in Category:Userboxes but it took 2 hours and i had no luck. Are you any good with this kind of thing? Thanks  J e n o v a  20 16:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You were looking in the right place but there may not be one. I do however know a chap who loves making them - he's just on holiday at the moment, but I'll let him know you're interested when he gets back (unless you want to leave him a message on his talk page).  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's ok, i'll ask.
 * Thanks for that =]  J e n o v a  20 08:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. If you want to have a go at making it yourself, playing with templates, let me know...  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Adoption please !!!
Adopt me please ! I need help, and I'm too new to know what to do with serious problems from two other users that are preventing my work. Penyulap  talk 05:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Worm That Turned. I know what it is like to be busy ! thanks ! Penyulap  talk 08:44, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:
I finished reading those links, can I go on now to the quiz? :) Hurricanefan25 (talk) 14:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Your Adoption Program
Would you mind if I copied your adoption program? I've been wanting to start adopting but could not come up with a good structure for it, and your program is very easy to follow and looks simple enough for me to teach with.  Sumsum2010 · T · C  18:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks! If I have any problems I'll let you know.  Sumsum2010 · T · C  17:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you mind looking at my adoption center pages and let me know if I missed anything?  Sumsum2010 · T · C  04:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the button seems to be working, and I'll create the practical exam preload for each individual user. Off to add myself to the list and look at the backlog!  Sumsum2010 · T · C  17:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Finished the questions
Finished the test! (And just to test out my JavaScript page...) Hurricanefan25 (talk) 17:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And by "be bold" does that mean I can try writing an article now? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 17:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. have a read of WP:BOLD to see what I mean. Oh and you don't need to let me know each time you finish the test, I've got it watched, so I do notice. I'm a tad busy just at the moment, but I'll mark it in the morning and put another lesson across.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 17:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And was my edit at proper? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 18:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just wondering, is there a Wikipedia chatroom? Or a hurricane one? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 21:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Having fun writing an article, User:Hurricanefan25/Debra, thanks to some help from Hurricanehink! :D Hurricanefan25 (talk) 17:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

RfA
Just to  wish  you  the very  best success -  you genuinely need this promotion to  enable you  to do  the work  that  needs the tools. I will  be voting  later. Good luck! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I basically just came here to say the same thing that Kudpung has stated. Some people participate in RFA and make a drive-by support comment and move on to the next task. I am genuinely happy that you have thrown your hat in the ring. I think the work that you have done to this point, in addition to the patience and support of others that you have shown is admirable. An example for others to follow. Best wishes with the voting, which I am confident will seal the deal.  Cind. amuse  13:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. I'm made up with the level of support the community has for me, and chuffed to bits that so many people have turned out to say so. I really didn't expect to do this well!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Adoption
I'm just leaving a message to ask whether you might be willing to 'adopt' me as part of the wikipedia adoption programme. (As I have explained on my user page:) I am seeking adoption by an experienced wikipedian, as while I have read most of wikipedia policy and understand the areas in which I have already involved myself, I would really appreciate help in article creation, getting involved in wikiprojects and wikipedia policy - if this sounds like your area of interest please get in touch! If I don't seem too awful then I'd love to be your mentee but I appreciate that with the RfA you might be somewhat overworked already. Oh and I'm also UK based. Reichsfürst (talk) 18:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to add that if it seems like a possibility then I'm more than happy to tell you a bit more about myself, interests, objectives etc. Reichsfürst (talk) 18:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, I really appreciate your generosity in this regard. Reichsfürst (talk) 08:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Debra (1978)
Now an article! It's listed at Did you know here! Hurricanefan25 (talk) 20:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * YES! DYK approved! :D (does a little dance) Hurricanefan25 (talk) 23:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's an exceptionally good first article. Well done! If you worked with User:Hurricanehink, perhaps you should chat with him about how far that article is away from good status, I think you'd be surprised how close it is.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Adoption (3)
Can I go onto the next test now? I'm gone Saturday through Tuesday. Hurricanefan25 (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Your RfA nomination and semicolons
"Describing myself as a Wikipedian is difficult, I try to work in as many areas as I can..."

It might be different with un-American English, but in the event that it isn't, you should change the comma after "difficult" to a semicolon. -- The Σ talkcontribs 22:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Proper English is the same as American English in this respect... but that's for formal writing. I could be wrong, but I get the idea that Worm is rarely formal in Wikipedia: space. Article space is another matter, of course! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is the expression 'un-American English'  used? Why  not  'un-British English', 'un-Indian English', or 'un-Australian English', or un-Canadian English'? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You phrased it better than me, Kudpung. Although, I've only once tagged an article as using Australian English! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm, I never thought about that, but I believe it mostly depends on where you live and which variety of English you're used to. -- The Σ talkcontribs 06:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm terrible with the use of semi-colons, and I use too many commas, all over the place, getting quite annoying. I blame the fact I have a mathematical background... but thanks for the spot.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:30, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That said, mild aberrations of punctuation should not  be a hindrance to  Adminship. tyhere a re bags of admins hoo can't  psel. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi Worm. Have a word with your new adoptee when you  have a moment. They don't  know the difference between gibberish  and a hoax. I haven't  left  any  NPP uw on  their tp. Cheers, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kudpung. If he makes further mistakes, it may be worth leaving a uw (they're there for a reason and it's all part of learning!), but I've asked him to stop tagging CSDs until we cover it.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Kudpung - I apologise for getting any of the specifics wrong. I thought I'd been being helpful given that all but a couple of the articles I tagged were indeed speedied, but I shall desist from tagging while I gain more valuable experience. Reichsfürst (talk) 12:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's only a temporary pause, Reichsfürst, once we've covered it I'm pretty sure that Kudpung will be one of the first to welcome you as an NPP, a very valuable area of Wikipedia.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No it's absolutely no problem; I appreciate his concern and I realise the importance of other editors having faith in oneself and so I am content to gain experience so that any issues aren't repeated. Reichsfürst (talk) 12:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problems -  I  have a great  soft  spot for editors who  accept  an adoption  programme ;) If you  want  something to  do  in  the meantime, here's some reading  for you, and more here. I know our instruction pages are great  walls of text (I wrote some of them myself!), but  it's worth it in the end. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This should help too. -- The Σ talkcontribs 18:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Reichsfürst (talk) 18:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Mentor
Hi Worm that Turned,

I'm a Wikipedia newbie and am in search of a mentor for the next 6 weeks. I'm impressed by this ambassador community - so nice to have all these volunteers all over the globe. I live and work in Vancouver, BC in communications and marketing, and I'm working on my Masters in Communications and Technology through the University of Alberta. My summer course is on Wikipedia and I'm looking forward to contributing to the community. Please let me know if you're interested in taking on a mentee.

Thanks and cheers!

Stan mact (talk) 01:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Sylvia

Porchcorpter
I disagree with his earlier neutral statement; however, the comments left on his talk page were outrageous. You might want to take a look. Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:52, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of them, but unfortunately felt I was not in a place to say what needed to be said (good job to Erik who did say them). I have however chatted to Porchcorpter to ensure that he knows that I respect his vote and his reasoning.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 19:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Know any good WikiProjects?
I have started making a Wikipedia page purely to advertise GOOD and ACTIVE WikiProjects some users may find interesting. It’s hard for new users to find a good WikiProject. That's why I'm starting this project, to help new users find WikiProjects that are interesting and can give them a few simple jobs. At the moment, I’m looking for WikiProjects that you have been involved in which you enjoy or think new users may enjoy. To get started, all the WikiProjects need is a statement, userbox or any form of advert-so leave a message on my talk page if you have any ideas! RDN1F (talk) 19:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

WM Wight
Hi Worm. I've started a new article in my userspace, User:Rcsprinter123/W M Wight about a grocery shop in North Shields. I'm doing it because I joined the WP:BACON CHALLENGE 2012. I'm using, , and as sources, (which I found off Google), but I can't really get anything else out of them, and it still looks like a stub. As my mentor I thought I'd ask you for help; getting things out of sources into articles isn't one of my strong points. I'm also thinking of using for an image. Thanks. Good luck in your RfA by the way.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  16:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You guys really love your health food. There's probably enough in this snippet to justify adding it as another ref, although right now I'm a bit puzzled as to what the book actually is.


 * Regarding the picture, it's almost certainly copyrighted so can't be used, plus it couldn't be used under Fair Use as it's replaceable. Ways round this might include emailing the website asking if they (or the copyright holder) are willing to license the pic under a license acceptable to Wikipedia; or taking your own photo; or trying to find someone (from a local WikiProject perhaps?) willing to take a photo for you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Didn't realise you were called Worm though, Demiurge!


 * I'll try and contact the copyright owner then. Still need more things out of the sources though, which is what I asked for.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  09:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Rcsprinter123. I'm afraid I'm just enjoying the sun for the weekend, but I'll have a look at the sources you've got there and the article you're creating on Monday if you like. I'm sure there's something I can add. Scanning over the sources you've got at the moment though, they're not terrible, but not brilliant, I'd need to do some more investigation before I just said they were reliable. As for the photo, Demiurge is absolutely right, it's copyright, you can't use it - (without permission) - but check out commons. I'll suggest some other places for you to look on Monday too.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 20:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, see you then.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  09:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Lots on the talk page.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Test
My test is sort of done. I was wondering if you could comment on whether or not you think I should do more work in the cleanup section. I am currently devoting more of my time at working on an overhaul of WP:X and a few pages I am working on. Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you've done enough on the cleanup section, don't worry ;) Are you happy that you'd like me to work on the answers?
 * Yep, I'm good. Thanks for encouraging me to join a WikiProject.  We just might get WikiProject Christianity up to a functioning state again. Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * A couple of changes I would make to my test that you might be interested in. I am not actually changing them on the test so I don't create an edit conflict.  A very similar case to number 6 can be found on The revision history of User talk:Guoguo12, my talk page, and Alzarian16's talk page.  A real life example of number 7 can be found here.  I also initiated a number of AFD's but did not include them such as this one, this one, and |this one that I did not include but only commented on. Ryan Vesey (talk) 19:58, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I'll read them tomorrow. I'll also provide you with the barnstars you deserve. Congratulations on passing!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 20:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:RFA2011: RfA on other Wikipedias
A detailed table and notes have now been created and posted. It compares how RfA is carried out on   major Wikipedias (English, French, German, Italian, Spanish). If you feel  that other important language  Wikipedias should be added, please let  us know. This may however depend on  our/your language skills!

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Your RfA
Congrats on your 100+ ! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:49, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Am dead chuffed!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:49, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation
In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

To avoid concerns that this notice might violate WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page (or either page's respective talk page) since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Award
Why thank you! I'm the first RfA since the Wikilove feature appeared, so I have a feeling I might get a few more of these... WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Good job!
Thank you very much! I've only got an hour to go, and I still don't want to jinx it! WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Kiefer
Thanks Worm. I still believe it was right for the material to remain on the page; however, I self-reverted per the reasons cited in the history. Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problems Ryan. I do actually see Kiefer's point of view, it's not really useful information (and I'd even do away with the userbox for anyone), but the way he went about it was not correct.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Here's one for you

 * Aaah, barnstar craziness! That's 3 awards in the last 4 posts, how am I meant to keep up? Thanks a lot Ryan, you really didn't need any tuition from me, but I'm glad I've helped you feel more confident on the 'pedia.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So, about adopting some users myself...? Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Having got to know you, your level of competence and your temperment, I think you'd make a fine adopter, go for it.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:52, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Having gone through your adoptions school, I believe it is completely unfair to any adoptee who does not go through a similar school. Do you mind if I steal your program?  I will modify it as time goes on, and will probably do some modification before I begin modifying as well. Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Please do, I stole it in the first place :D  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha, I thought I saw something about it being "ruthlessly pinched" and I guess you commented during the copyright lesson that it was stolen. Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that there's a reason to, but I feel a strong urge to "sign off". It's 4 am here and I have to do truck in the morning.  Stupid hour and a half edit war converted to discussion kept me up way past my bedtime. Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't claim credit for the idea or the layout, though I wrote all but 3 of the lessons, and all the tests. Best thing to do is take it, and change what you don't like :) Sleep well  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)