User talk:Worm That Turned/Archive 7

Adminship
I noticed that you don't even have an RFA. I was fairly surprised, as you are a very productive and useful editor. Is this because the area you edit in (mostly adoption and DYK's, right?) does not require use of admin tools? Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting question. I guess I don't see Adminship as that big a deal. I'm tempted to run, but just don't seem to get round to it. It's in my "things to do on Wikipedia" pile, along with making a featured article. Last time I looked at the process I saw all sorts of problems and got myself involved in WP:RfA reform 2011. I've had an editor review with a view to running, but it wasn't too helpful.
 * As for the areas I edit in, yes, that's a big part of it, I don't really need the tools (though I've recently started working in OTRS, and I think I might need them there). I wouldn't even say I'm that prolific in DYKs, or article work in general. I keep meaning to work on a few more articles, but other things get in the way. Perhaps one day I'll run, but there's no rush, just need that final push.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 03:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, well whenever you do choose to run, make sure you notify me. I need a few more opposes under my belt <--total joke  I want to be the first support. I really wish that the editor review process would be better.  I want to go up for it sometime, but I was sort of disappointed when I looked at it a while ago.  I would prefer discussion by many different editors. Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate that. Don't get me wrong, the editor review process is very good, in certain circumstances (I think it helped another one of my mentees), it just didn't help me.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 04:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Turns out, after thinking about it for a few days... Requests for adminship/Worm That Turned  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So, question... did this section have anything to do with the fact that you actually applied then? Ryan Vesey (talk) 20:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been in the back of my mind for a little while. This, the extra comments at my editor review, OTRS, and a few other factors pushed me over the edge. But yes, it was a factor, so thank you.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:55, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Editor review
Hi Worm,

I'm thinking of going in for an editor review now that I've finished my mentoring programme to see what other editors think of me now. How exactly should I go about it and what sort of reviews should I expect? What will they be commenting on? and things like that. Thanks for your help as ever Worm,  Rcsprinter  (talk)  19:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you just be upfront about what you want it for. Perhaps explain that you were blocked for a short period and have come back and undergone mentorship, and you'd like an independent review of your edits since your block. The how is pretty self evident from the from the WP:ER page ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 20:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine. Just what exactly might reviewers say, and comment on, and will there be any sort of verdict or consensus?  Rcsprinter  (talk)  21:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just realised I didn't reply to this, sorry! They could comment on anything, in a similar manner to RfA, but there's no verdict or consensus. The idea is to get you some feedback so you can improve in the future.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations on your successful RFA! Now only the 'crat has work to do in flipping the bit! :) Reaper Eternal (talk) 10:31, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! My initial reaction to your support was a "Yeah, right, chance will be a fine thing", but I'm pretty glad I was wrong. Thanks for the support :D  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I knew you would pass with flyingt colors! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * ...and have done so. Congratulations on a strong showing. Now, get to work! – xeno talk 12:31, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Work?!? No one mentioned work!! Cheers Xeno ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Allow me to toss my "congratulations" in here too! Enjoy your "RfA is over" time. 28bytes (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much 28bytes, and thank you for your supportive email during my RfA, it really did help.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm back worm!
I'm back worm! The computer rocks! (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome back Tcr! Let me know if you want to carry one with your adoption school.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

New tools
Hey Worm, how does it feel to be an admin? How are all the extra new tools? Would it be possible for you to email a screenshot to me so I can see what they are like?  Rcsprinter  (talk)  17:13, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, it just adds an extra couple options to the top of the page, makes people's names in the history look like " Example ( talk | contribs | block )" rather than " Example ( talk | contribs )" and adds a "( del / undel )" option to page histories. :P Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It feels pretty much the same as being an editor, but knowing theres over 120 editors who think I'm doing a good job is one helluva lift. I've fiddled with the new tools at the WP:New admin school and deleted a page in my webspace - it's a little overwhelming to be honest, I doubt I'll be using them much! As for what they look like, wander over to the school, it will tell you a little more. Otherwise, it's exactly as Reaper Eternal said. They're all text extras, I don't have a funky red image block button or delete button like I'd hoped ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:50, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, shame. Should be like that. BTW, sorry for not being on much recently, I'd like to be but my internet is not working. Typing this from a different computer.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  14:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!
Not to worry, Bearian. Thanks for the cupcake! WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Reichsfurst
As you can see I have successfully managed to change my name to remove the frustrating umlaut but I'm not sure how that affects our various pages.

Apparently the formatting of the web urls I've used on Elizabeth Maitland, Duchess of Lauderdale isn't satisfactory for DYK.

And, of course, congratulations on your successful RfA! Reichsfurst (talk) 07:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And much better it is too. I'll move your Adoption page accordingly :D I should have mentioned the citation template before the DYK, sorry about that, but it looks like you got your head around it very quickly. And thank you for the congrats!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Admin


Good job, and since you got adminship on 2-for-1 day... -- The Σ talkcontribs 22:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC) I was worried wasn't going to get the t-shirt! Thanks Σ! WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on being awarded the mop! All the best  Brookie :) - he's in the building somewhere!  (Whisper...) 10:46, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Congrats. I'm sure you'll do a fine job (just don't let it distract you from articles on Cornish cuisine!). Feel free to ping me if you need anything. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers HJ and Brookie, I really appreciate it :D  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixing non-free image problems
Hi again. I saw your note to Δ and just wanted to let you know about Fixing non-free image problems, if you didn't already. This is a document that Ched Davis and I wrote to help people understand why a non-free image was removed from an article; Δ has been kind enough to link to it in his edit summaries. Any suggestions you have for making that doc more user-friendly and/or publicizing its existence more widely to folks to help prevent edit-warring over images would be much appreciated! Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 16:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'll also have a read and see if I can suggest any improvements.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 18:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Good luck (seriously)
I also saw your note to Δ. Kudos. (I concur that Fixing non-free image problems is excellent, and deserves wider use, I'm happy to hear that Δ is linking to it.)-- SPhilbrick  T  17:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I say, I'm not going to be able to fix 2.2Mb of issues in one swoop, but I thought I might tackle the problem from a different angle, see if I can improve things bit by bit... Thanks for the note though :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 18:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Dudemanfellabra
I must be getting  old -  I had of course already  voted on  it. Anyway, it's now been withdrawn b the candidate. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed you must. Since we were talking about Requests for adminship/E2eamon and you hadn't voted on it... *chuckle*  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 15:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh sh**! 62 and ready for the bonfire already. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

NPP
NPP is still in a very  sorry  state. I've done my daily NPP stint today  and I've warned more patrollers about  wrong PRODS and CSD than I  have deleted articles. I'm thinking  of starting  a mentorship programm for New Page Patrollers - they just  don't  seem  to  read our page at WP:NPP that  Snottywong  and I  rewrote some while back. Would it be a good idea? Have you any  advice to  give me? The next step  is probably  going  to  be an RfC to  make NPP a user right  like reviewer. Cheers, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Vesey
has recently asked for access to AWB; however, due to his limited experience and this recent incident, reasons which made me wary of granting him access to a tool that might create a massive mess if misused, I have declined his request; Rian has invited me to ask for your opinion, though, for you have extensively worked with him since the block and he feels you should be able to offer an opinion as to his fitness to handle the tool; so, if you wish, I'd welcome a comment from you here. Thanks and cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

According to a Anon. I'm a F-ing Idiot, for not allowing Original Research into a BLP
Hey Worm! I'm having extreme difficulties with this specific anon.,User talk:94.21.194.220, on articles Zsolt Semjén & György Matolcsy. S/he keeps on adding paragraph(s) of information that have not been sourced. I have reverted them 6 times on each article (yes that is 3 times over 3RR, but I'm reverting under a 3RR Exempt: "Removal of libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material that violates the policy on biographies of living persons (BLP).")...This anon. just won't stop, and in each revert I have made, I have mentioned in the edit summary: "Unsourced - See WP:OR" and in one of the edits, the editor come accross it and has asked what "OR" means (obviously to mock me). The cherry on top is that the editor called me (excuse me for saying this) a "Fucking Idiot" (This and This) And although I have come accross in my 8 months here many rude editors, I think this one is a bit of a stretch, and really disrespectful, because I was just doing the right thing and removing unsourced (probably false..who knows) material from Wikipedia. It kind of kills me inside knowing that I can't take control of an issue and that I have to ask for an Administrators assistance, but I have run out of options. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 13:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ...Replied -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 16:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Justified edit, or retaliatory?
User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz made the following edit at Denial of Death. Are articles on books which use the book itself as one of its citations OR? The user strongly opposed my RfA and seemed to reveal a strong POV in doing so. In addition externally cited material (material for which the source was not the book itself) was also removed. Seems more like this user has an axe to grind, based on his reference to schizophrenia on my RfA. An additional reason for my comment is to address a statement you made on my talk page: "What's more, the outcome of your RfA has little or no effect on anything outside of RfA, there is unlikely to be any consequences". I just get the vibe that this edit was solely made as a consequence of my RfA, from a user who really did not appreciate my request. I have contributed little to the article in question (I don't generally start/edit articles on books), but do maintain a great interest in the book. Thanks for your feedback. --TimL (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi TimL. Looking at what happened here, I'd assume good faith and believe that Kiefer felt his edits were justified. He does appear to be helping the encyclopedia and I can certainly see his point of view that the work there is original research. The specific part of the OR policy that is salient here is WP:PRIMARY which explains that any interpretation of a primary source must be done by secondary sources, not on the encyclopedia.
 * You are right in a way though, the edit is likely done solely because of your RfA - however I think the interpretation is a little off. As part of RfA, many users (myself included) do a thorough review of the candidates contributions. Some users focus on the articles the candidate has contributed to and in what state the candidate left the article. I think Kiefer looked at the article in the current form and edited it as he saw fit. He has every right to do that per WP:BOLD, and I don't believe it was retaliatory or malicious in any way.
 * Whether it's justified or not... I wouldn't like to say, and would suggest taking it to the talk page of the article, discussing the matter, and perhaps bringing in a WP:3O from someone who knows a bit about the area.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Backlog
There is a backlog at Usernames for administrator attention and I was wondering if you could take a look at it if it is still there when you log on. Ryan Vesey (talk) 00:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Whilst that's a pity, I just don't get UAA to the extent that I could tackle a backlog, and I've got a few other things that I'm working on that I'd rather look at than learn UAA. As it happens, it looks like it's been tackled anyway, so perhaps this is moot.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm Back
I'm back now, hope you didn't miss me too much.  J e n o v a  20 09:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome back. You've missed quite a lot! Have a read of my userpage to get a flavour... ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on your successful RFA! =]
 *  J e n o v a  20 10:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Worm?
How do you get advanced user rights? The computer rocks! (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Question
What are user rights and am i'm ready for more? The computer rocks! (talk) 14:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Admin
Go see my user page for the question. The computer rocks! (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Afd question
Is wikipedia a vote for afd? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The computer rocks! (talk • contribs) 14:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Please
Please see me at my adoption hq! :) The computer rocks! (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

What?
What happened to my adoption hq page? The computer rocks! (talk) 14:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Temporarily archived while you were away. It's still at User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/The computer rocks!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Can I take a test Worm?
Test please :) The computer rocks! (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm done
I'm done with my test! :) The computer rocks! (talk) 15:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

RfA
See this (3rd attempt). It doesn't stand a chance. Alone the nf image warning on  the tp  are enough. Can it be stopped before they  waste their own  and our time? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Attribution
Could you check to see that I correctly attributed Thomas Bridges (Anglican missionary) in the page I am creating at User:Ryan Vesey/Missions to Patagonia? Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I also created attribution from one of my earliest edits. I split List of games that support Wii MotionPlus from Wii MotionPlus. Ryan Vesey (talk) 19:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Both are good. The edit summaries are the bit that really matter - and they're both correct. The attribution on the talk page is an added bonus.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 19:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

RfA voting
What we need is either a bot or a 'press button' script that  can check  voters for members who  have registered less than 7 days (168 hours) before transclusion, blocked users, and users against  whom an SPI  has ever been filed. Some Wikipedias have similar feature or a 'check  yo ur eligibility  to  vote' It  is feasible here? It could be useful too  if ever we introduce minima for voters.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

BTW: this is going to  tank -  would it not be nicer to  SNOW it  before it  gets embarrassing? Or at least mail the user with  a few supportive suggestions. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll certainly be keeping more of an eye on RfA for a while. That was closed (probably in part due to the message you left), and I've closed another today. I'm not sure how well any of the RfA reform stuff would have helped them.
 * Regarding the "check your eligibility" idea, it's an interesting one. A bot could easily remove things based on criteria, and I think that a push button "check your eligibity" is a good idea in principle. However, the button is redundant without a way to enforce it (say, a bot or a software change to physically disallow editing the page). Actually... couldn't we just semi-protect RfAs as a matter of course? that would stop all IPs and non-autoconfirmed editors voting. Opinions could be added to talk page.
 * I'm just curious as to the "users against whom an SPI has ever been filed", that could lead to all sorts of problems. What if the SPI is Unlikely? Or Fishing? What blocked users are transcluding? I think we've got to be careful about fixing problems that aren't there...  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Semi protection  only  prevents for the first  4 days if the voter can make 10 quick  edits somewhere.  this is semi  protected. On  the other hand, the template that  is called by  the 'Nominate yourself'  button at  Requests for adminship/Nominate is not.  I've also  been trying  to  figure out  how I  can put  that  new edit notice on it, because I  think that's the reason the other one is not  being  seen -  there are two  very  different  ways to  transclude a RfA. Uhm... does all  that  make sense? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was just thinking semi protection was a quick and easy solution :) You're right about the edit notice not being seen... I'll have a look at that. However, what you could do is change the nominate form - RfA/subst - and put a hidden comment in there using tags in. - Futhermore, it'd be good if the two different buttons did different things, they currently do the same thing, with different labels.   WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought  about  a hidden note afterwards, but  I  had to get  some sleep. I  had also  noticed that  the button  loads the same template page. I think duff noms are relatively rare -  we seem to  have a spate of self-noms recently. The nomination and transclusion  process is so  complicated I'm  surprised that  the obvious NOTNOW self-noms manage to  do  it! We had one tank last  night (3rd RfA attempt) who  didn't  even write a nomination  statement. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw it. That's 4 fails in as many days including one who hasn't edited since. Certainly makes me want to get RfA reform sorted.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We need to starty  drawing  up  some proper drafts for proposals. I  think setting  a low bar for candidates is now the most  urgent  priority,  and possibly introducing  a software block  for it if it  persists. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Trial
Any idea why this  is suddenly  no  longer listed at  WP:Cent? (see template and version history). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:50, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd suggest asking -  - he seems to have removed it. His edit summary implies that he may have wanted to replace this with this. I can't see a reason for the removal though.   WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, he seems to have fixed whatever he was doing. OK -  I  as getting  worried.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:22, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

500th edit!
This is my 500th edit! The computer rocks! (talk) 15:22, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Test

 * I took the test Worm! Please reply on my talk page when your done grading,thank you. The computer rocks! (talk) 12:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

RFA edit notice changes
Not sure that is needed as we already have Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, which is seen when editing the main RFA page. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * True, but when setting up my RfA I didn't notice the transclusion notice, by the time a user gets to transclusion, it's often too late. I think we should be trying to catch people's attention earlier. It only shows for creation of new RfA pages, and isn't saying anything new.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 19:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with  Worm  on  this. In  fact I  designed the fancy template. It's also  true that  even I  found the transclusion process rather complex when I  did my  own  RfA, and I  don't  recall having  seen any  poignant  warnings when I  did -  not  that  I  would have felt  addressed by  them  if I  had. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Phone Hacking Scandal
The Daily Mail is using a private investigator who is using illegal methods to obtain information and has used him 952 times, almost 5 times as much as the News of the World did. Worth adding to the article? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14150348 Thanks  J e n o v a  20 13:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Very interesting. But... "It is on the statute book but has never been enacted, meaning it can not be used by judges or magistrates." is a pity. Anyway, as to your question. There's problems with usng it in the article. Firstly, it's POV - written to imply the Mail is 5x as bad as the NotW, while the subject is noticeably different. Secondly, they were found doing it in May 2006, while the act wasn't brought in until 2008, so whilst not ethical I'm not sure how illegal it was at the time. Appears to be based on 1998 Data protection act, so was illegal at the time.
 * It's worth watching the story to see how it develops but at the moment I wouldn't add it - there is no deadline and I don't see that it's notable, rather than news, at the moment.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This is exactly why i ask you this stuff Worm =].
 * From you it's an answer and explanation, whereas in the talk page for the Daily Mail it would be met with a strong No and accusations of some sort, threats, and requests for an apology.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 14:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help :) Let me know if it develops further and I miss it  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I only spotted that section by chance, if it develops it will most likely be spread across multiple papers Worm.
 * Thanks though.
 * Currently looking to join Pastafarianism as a religion, seems perfect for me and strange to see one that doesn't just talk about peace and love but actually shows it aswell =]
 * What do you think?
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 14:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I grew up a catholic, was even taught by monks! But I've not really followed religion for a long time. I can't see the point of following an parody religion... However I always chuckle at the flying spaghetti monster when I see it on the back of cars. Have you considered unitarianism?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 15:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well logically to atheists (me included), all religions are parodies.
 * What's the difference between a religion made up now and one made up years ago that denies it was made up?
 * Sorry if you found that offensive lol, some might take that pretty badly.
 * The difference is i'd never join any religion with the Pope as figurehead or one that preaches love and acts in a hostile way to certain demographics.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 15:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just as a point of interest, the fact that something is on the talk page of someone who won't take offense to it doesn't mean it won't be read by someone who will. It is usually safer to keep potentially offensive comments to yourself, or state them in a forum that is not public. Ryan Vesey  contribs  04:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

While Wikipedia isn't censored and there's nothing wrong with the views expressed here, the conversation isn't benefiting WP, so let's take it offline. Jenova, I'll email you. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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Copyright question
If I take a picture of the cover of a book, can I upload it to commons as a free use file or is it still not considered my own work? Ryan Vesey contribs  04:40, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not free unless it's a book you wrote. And maybe not even then. 28bytes (talk) 04:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. So it would be better to use a professional image I find on line under a fair use rationale and only upload to Wikipedia, right? Ryan Vesey  contribs  05:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep. 28bytes (talk) 05:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Unsurprisingly, 28bytes is right on the matter of copyright. If you take a photo of a copyrighted item, the copyright remains with the original copyright holder. Glad that's all sorted :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 17:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought it was still copyrighted, but I decided to ask because I hoped it wouldn't be. Ryan Vesey  contribs  22:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Help Needed
Hi,WTT Could you help in re-promoting Delhi as a featured article. how can i improve that article? Regard's.. RohG ??  &middot; &#32; 10:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Ryan Vesey contribs  01:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

RcsprinterBot
I am trying to start a bot. I have read the bot policy, and the box at WP:Bots/Requests for approval/Instructions for bot operators, and made an unblock request at its talk page (where you can see what it'll do), but I can't really write Perl or anything. You may not be the botty person either, but I'd thought I'd ask as you're my mentor. And admin, who I look up to.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  17:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, well, let's take this bit by bit.
 * What do you want the bot to do?
 * Can it be done by something like WP:AWB?
 * Could someone else do it? Bot requests
 * Depending on your answers, I'll see what we can do. (Am capable of running a bot, I'm a computer programmer, but I don't specialize in Perl and I don't see anything that needs a bot at the moment...)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 17:26, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ze bot shall do:
 * Updating articles related to buses (my speciality); such as updating the lists of routes and formatting pages and things;
 * Help me with my projects, which will need lots of repetitive edits too tedious to do manually to pages, which will include: adding symbols to UK stations, disambiguating links and correcting grammar;
 * General bot work such as dating tags and stuff.
 * I know Smackbot is run by AWB, but I tried downloading AWB and it doesn't work on my computer. Also, I have no idea how to write Perl or any other script. Wikicode and HTML is about my limit. If you're a computer programmer though, I'm sure you can help. Maybe we could name it WormBot, after you. :-)
 * I'd like to do the bot myself. Be an honour. Do my duty to the encyclopedia. But I need the code writing first before I put it to Bot Requests for a trial, so... Help. PS: Sorry for always seeming to come on a Friday night, when you come off, but I tend to have most time at the weekends, so I do it then. If we didn't have that inconvenience, we'd be able to work together quicker. We also seem to clash on weekdays; I come on around four, when you come off. Oh well.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  19:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, but I generally try to avoid computer programming when I don't have to ;) If you'd like to try doing the bot yourself, it's going to be a case of sitting down and learning Perl - which is something I'd have to do too, if I were to. I'm sure I could debug code and possibly learn it a little faster than you, but it's not a code that I'm familiar with. Imagine you could speak English, French, German and Spanish. This would be Italian... so yeah, you might be able to see similarities, but you'd still have some learning to do before getting anywhere.
 * I'm quite happy not having a bot, it's not a road I'm currently interested in going down, too much work :P AWB wouldn't work on your computer if you haven't had a request accepted. Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage. Assuming you have Windows, it is without a doubt the simplest way for average joe to get a bot up and running...
 * Don't worry about the whole ships passing in the night thing, it does happen and it could be worse!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 20:08, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Er... should I just learn Perl then? Or is there an easier language I can try?  Rcsprinter  (talk)  20:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm working with The Earwig to help me write a bot now, thanks for your help.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  19:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Mentor/adoption
Hi. I know you run an adoption school and there is a user that in my opinion could really use it. They appear to want to edit but are having trouble with Wiki-spam issues. Could you take a look and maybe offer to help them? User_talk:Since_10.28.2010. This will not be an easy one in my opinion, but if you do take it on then good luck.--v/r - TP 19:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I'm a little nuts, but I'm giving it a go ;)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hello. I see your userbox says you are open for mentorship? Yes, I am User:Since 10.28.2010.  A  user who has been editing Wikipedia since Thursday, October 28, 2010.  00:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm looking into this. I'm busy today, but will reply tomorrow :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I would give you a barnstar, but I prefer not to get reblocked for the same reasons. Thanks again,  A  user who has been editing Wikipedia since Thursday, October 28, 2010.  23:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like I'll be taking you on Since 10.28.2010. Will leave a message at your talk page.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 *  An  editor since 10.28.2010.  14:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Email
Please disregard the commitment I made in the email. When I wrote it, I had forgotten the reason I had not made the commitment earlier, I will be gone for 2 weeks and will rarely be on Wikipedia in that time period. Ryan Vesey contribs  06:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks Ryan. I'll keep that in consideration  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 06:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * One question. Just so I can get used to the adoption process, when I am online can I help out some?  I will continue my normal habit of helping and correcting the user but I was also wondering if I could respond to a test if you are offline.  Since 10.28.2010 and I are in similar time zones so that would help as well. Ryan Vesey  contribs  13:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Please do. If I feel you've missed anything then I'd add it and I'd appreciate it if you do the same for me. I've no problem with this being a "joint" adoption/mentoring, though I think it's probably a little tough for your first adoption so your time away is a convenient happenstance. But you're welcome to run through the course, as the similar time zones will help.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Delhi
Hello,WTT Could you help in re-promoting Delhi as a featured article. how can i improve that article? Regard's.. RohG ??  &middot; &#32; 11:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi rohith goura. Sorry if it appeared I was ignoring you, Iv'e just been snowed under for the past few days and I have been working through my walk page bit by bit. I'm afraid this isn't really something I can help you with, I've not managed to create a featured article as yet, so I'm not someone who would be able to give you good advice on how to improve it. What I would suggest is a possible peer review, where someone more silled in writing articles could give you more helpful suggestions.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Admins are getting lazy again
So, articles are not being speedy deleted. Do you want to take a look at my CSD log or wherever you go to see the articles that are tagged for speedy deletion and delete some of them? Ryan Vesey contribs  14:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, I COULD do the deleting, but I got into this admin business to help with what I do, rather than to start clearing all the backlogs. There's only 52 there, and yours haven't been there too long, I'm sure an admin more familiar with the area will get to it presently :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Nice one
...for this. I think you've got a promising candidate there - well meaning and enthusiastic, and just needs a little guidance -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers BsZ!, 3 seperate editors asked me to, I could hardly say no!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Test done
I'm finish with my first adoption test Worm! 17:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The computer rocks! (talk • contribs)

AWB
Hey Worm,

I just applied for AWB, thought I'd try it out. Could you help to explain it a bit more? Adam mugliston Talk  21:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Anything particular you were thinking of using it for?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really anything particular. I was just thinking it might help with the lists of bus routes, as it's fairly repetitive. I just wanted to try it out really. Adam mugliston  Talk  19:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Template
Thanks for teaching me about templates. I just created this one and I could never have done it without you. Ryan Vesey Review me!  04:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help! one idea would be to set up a "current issue" so that it automatically populates, sort of like the Signpost. What do you think?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Care to clarify? I am not sure what you mean by automatically populating. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  12:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, my thinking is that there's always a "current" issue of the Wikifier, even if it's only released each quarter. If someone could transclue the "current issue" to somewhere like WikiProject Wikify/News/Current, you could default your sidebar to that page. That would mean you could keep the sidebar on your page permenantly and it would update when a new issue is released - similar to Signpost-subscription. Does that make sense?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes that makes sense; although I'm not sure how well it would work for our purposes. There are 5 subpages used for each article so unless we created WikiProject Wikify/News/Members/Current etc. it would be hard to get to work.  In addition, (this is all to the extent of my knowledge) in order to archive we would need to create new pages for the archived versions anyways.  What I think I might do is to create a base template for the other pages in the project which can be substituted each time a new article is written. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  12:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just realised the sidebar isn't for users pages, but for the news letter! Silly me!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Quoting from books
If I plan to be quoting fairly extensively from a book, should I cite the exact page number for each quote in the references? I would like to group the references by chapter to work down the number of them considerably, i.e. quotation 1 would come from chapter one which would be cited as pages 1-27, all citations from chapter one would receive that citation. I know I can't just cite the entire book. Ryan Vesey Review me!  12:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this is where I fall down. If you're quoting, it'd make much more sense for you to have the page that your quoting from, but I understand you wanting to group references. I think the best solution is something like the solution used on Winter Palace, using a combination of notes and references. Have a look and let me know what you think - otherwise we'll have to think up a better solution. I might even suggest asking someone like User:SandyGeorgia what's the best solution.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:38, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Date formatting
If I am writing an article about a British ship, should I automatically use the format Day Month Year or should I just write however I normally would? Ryan Vesey Review me!  01:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There's an argument that you should use a British format but if you are writing the article from scratch, write however you like. Consistency is the most important thing - if someone objects in the future, they can change it all then.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

☆ Congratulations! ☆
Blimey that was fast. Did you have your finger on the trigger there? Thank you :D  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I had the Successful request for Admin. page under my watchlist + with the new WikiLove, I decided "hey, why not?" =) Can't believe you're administrator! I mean I can...but I can't...if that makes any sense. Again Congratulations! New privileges and a mop, will do you good. PS. If you're not too busy, can I make a big start on my User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/MelbourneStar1? Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 12:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course you can, it's there, ready for you the moment you are ready for it :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Congrats, sounds like a fine addition to the admin corp-- SPhilbrick  T  13:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My very  best  congratulations. It  proves that  RfA  is not  broken when it  concerns truly  deserving  candidates :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm glad your candidacy succeeded, welcome to the corps. I hope you have fun. --  At am a  頭 17:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Slightly late congrats from me too. Just think, now you can do all your great adoption work with new users - and then block them! Hahahahah! -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me too. –BuickCenturyDriver 02:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yay! VERY well deserved!  Cind. amuse  03:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Yaaay! Whoop, whoop! I'm so pleased about that! Pesky ( talk  …stalk!) 05:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you all, it's an amazing feeling when so many editor that I hold in high regard not only come out to agree that I am trustworthy enough to hold the mop, but also come to my talk page to congratulate me. Now, a few individual messages!


 * @Sphilbrick, I meant to say, thanks for your comments at Sandy's page, I'm sure they'll help me with building any future articles.
 * @Kudpung, I really appreciate your comment at the RfA, and will be writing a little at RfA reform about my experiences (did that questionnaire thing ever go ahead?)
 * @Atama, I really appreciate you showing up, since I don't edit much in the same areas as you, but whereever I've read your comments (especially at the "drama boards") I've always noted them as some of the most clueful on the encyclopedia. So, your comments really do mean a lot to me.
 * @Boing, thank you especially, your comments regarding my mentoring a few months ago (when I took on a couple of editors you were involved with) really confirmed to me that I was doing the right thing, so I really apppreciate that!
 * @Cindamuse, all the help you've given with a certain user really does show, he's made significant improvements and I appreciate it. I also see you were quite perceptive on me not wanting to put myself forward!
 * @Pesky, thank you very much, I hope I can be the admin you thought I already was!
 * Again, thank you all. I'm made up, I really am.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Great Worm. :) I would also strongly suggest that you be open to recall. -Porch corpter (talk/contribs) 09:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Dya know, you're the first person to mention recall to me, which I find quite surprising due to my lack of experience. As it happens, I like the idea of recall, and will be open to it, once I choose which version. What's more, I'll go further and say that I will be willing for any future changes to the adminship role to be applied to me also, even if it does not automatically apply to current admins. (For example, if admins term length comes in for new admins but not existing admins, I will happily take on a term length)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations - to you and to Wikipedia :-) I'm very pleased to see you adminified. --bonadea contributions talk 09:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Bonadea. I really appreciate your comment at the RfA, the skills you've mentioned are ones I've always aspired to have, though I don't remember doing them!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehehe, "administartor"... -- Σ talkcontribs 22:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Damn and blast! If I'd seen you were up for it it would have been 121! Congratulations! Can I have a massive banhammer? I will abuse it. Pleeease?  Benny Digital  Speak Your Brains 12:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, thanks. :) I've not used my banhammer as yet, it's sitting there in the corner... I'll have to consider when to bring it out for it's maiden voyage.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)