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Christchurch Wastewater Treatment Plant: Trickling filters vs anaerobic digesters
Hi, I had that article on my watch-list and noticed that edit by 2406:e003:18c8:5101:add3:fa38:756:c265. Indeed they are correct the city council website sates the fire was in the Trickling filters. All the news out lets I remember reading at time also said it was the Trickling filters.

https://ccc.govt.nz/services/water-and-drainage/wastewater/treatment-plants/christchurch-wastewater-treatment-plant/wastewaterfire/the-situation/

"On 1 November 2021, a large fire destroyed both of the trickling filters at the Christchurch wastewater treatment plant in Bromley."

"The trickling filters are a critical piece of the sewerage treatment process and the damage to them made the treatment process considerably less effective." CoderThomasB (talk) 04:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know, I've reverted my reversion. I'll make sure to double-check in the future.  WP scatter  t/c 04:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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you are literally a 20 day old account
the audacity required for you to make reversions when you're a 20 day old account and don't even have auto confirmed status lmao. 2001:8F8:173D:559C:7C74:A3AE:6A0D:FAC7 (talk) 08:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * First of all, I am autoconfimed, but that's irrelevant anyway because you don't need it to revert edits. You're consistently removing reliably sourced content because you believe it shouldn't be in the article, which is against policy. The age of my account doesn't change that.  WP scatter  t/c 08:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Russian editor keeps removing the name of Ukrainian bigender LBGTQ activist from List of Ukrainians
The well-known edit-warring veteran again approaching the 3RR:
 * 1)
 * 2)  - argues in comments, but does not initiate the discussion in Talk to obtain a consensus; also threatens another editor with a ban
 * 3)  - again, explicitly refuses to initiate the discussion and seek consensus, says it is someone else's responsibility  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:9A00:1A90:652A:B29:1215:D9DF (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I assume you're leaving this message on my talk page because I left the list entry in my edit. But the other editor is right, if someone reverts your edit, you are the one who should start a discussion on whether it should be added. Constantly re-adding it, even if you feel it should rightly be there, is not the proper way. You should stop adding the entry to the list or you will be blocked very soon. Start a discussion and get consensus. If the consensus is to not add the entry, well, then it will have to go unadded.  WP scatter  t/c 03:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Let me make sure I understand you right. You believe that the onus to initiate the discussion and to seek a consensus is on the Ukrainian editor adding a sourced entry on a bigender Ukrainian LGBTQ activist and NOT on a Russian editor repeatedly trying to delete this entry without providing any sourced info. Why is that? Is it because the first editor is Ukrainian and the 2nd editor is Russian, and Ukrainians are expected to be subservient to Russians? Or do you believe that removal/blanking of the information on Wikipedia does not require a discussion and a consensus, while adding it always needs both? Or, is this a special case because the added person is a LGBTQ bigender activist? 2601:646:9A00:1A90:A56C:B81A:C52C:653B (talk) 04:47, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It does not matter who the editor is. You being Ukrainian does not give you a free pass to determine what constitutes notability for a Wikipedia article. If anything, editors with a possible conflict of interest should refrain from editing in those areas.
 * You added an entry to a list, it was reverted, and you're claiming the other editor needs to provide a source for the removal. That just isn't how that works. What would such a source even look like? If the person isn't notable, there won't be any sources about them anyway. Generally, you can be bold with editing, but if it gets reverted, then a discussion starts; if you just keep reverting each other, it's an edit war, and everyone involved is liable to be blocked. The "hard limit" per policy is three reverts, but sometimes it's obvious that the edits are problematic even before then.
 * Yes, the onus is on you to prove that the content you're trying to add is worthy of being added. If you keep adding it without providing that proof, or at least getting consensus, you will eventually be blocked. That's not a threat, I don't have the power to do that. I'm just letting you know that it will happen. Repeatedly adding the same content without properly sourcing or discussing won't be allowed to happen for long.  WP scatter  t/c 06:49, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

moved page Nicopress swaged sleeve to Swaged sleeve
Yes! exactly the correct thing to do IMHO. I am working on a new article and I could use some help.

Draft:Westcoast Black Theatre Troupe Flibbertigibbets (talk) 12:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Celebrity Jeopardy! (2022 TV series) for deletion
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Concern regarding Draft:Anthrenocerus pintado
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Advice please?
I would like to consolidate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Merrick#Awards_and_nominations &  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Merrick#Additional_notable_stage_productions, using a list of symbols to indicate which productions were nominated by whom, for what, and which won. Example:

"List: "# Tony Award nominee" and "* Tony Award win, best play"

"* 1958 Romanoff and Juliet (#)"

It would save space, be chronologically clearer and stop being a Tony Award blurb. Cheers! Shir-El too  15:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I would probably suggest consolidating them into a single table of musicals, with an Awards column that can say, for example, "Nominated—Tony Award for Best Musical", "Won—Tony Award for Best Producer of a Musical", or "None" (with colored backgrounds akin to film awards tables, see Schindler's_List). The couple of Tony Awards Merrick won unrelated to a play (the 1961 and 1968 Special Tony Awards) could be mentioned in a subsection. The only issue is that it may imply completeness when I get the feeling the plays listed currently aren't a complete list? But that could be solved with either completing it with the rest of his plays, or if that's not possible for whatever reason, a simple note.
 * Out of curiosity, why are you asking me about this? I've never edited that page or even anything related to Tony Awards or musicals, I think.  WP scatter  t/c 01:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

AFC/R
Generally, AFC/R is intended to be used by users that don't have the technical ability to create redirects themselves. I'd definitely say the redirect is valid, and if you had any concerns, it might be better to bring them up elsewhere, but AFC/R would certainly work as well. Otherwise, I'd say be WP:BOLD and go for it! Thanks! ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 01:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
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Korean cuisine
That was quick! I was going to use the one from the relevant section of the Culinary Diplomacy article but had to change to a more recent source. Vacosea (talk) 05:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are lots of us that check out recent changes. At any given time there's probably a few dozen eyes on it, so any edits that should be reverted usually are pretty quickly. As a general rule, sort out the sources before adding content to an article rather than adding it to be sourced later—there's no rush to get things added to articles! Out of curiosity, why did you have to use a more recent source? If the one from the other article is outdated feel free to update it as well.  WP scatter  t/c 05:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I found out during the middle of my edit that the old link is dead, and there is no easily accessible replacement. The other article is also being updated. Vacosea (talk) 05:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Rollback granted
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Ferry revert
Haha too quick! I was about to revert until it said someone else already did it. Fork99 (talk) 05:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023
Hello, I'm Locke Cole. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Talk:Veracity of statements by Donald Trump that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. —Locke Cole • t • c 04:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Wpscatter, you must AGF and not make personal attacks. The quote on my userpage is a quote from Jimmy Wales, the co-founder of Wikipedia. Don't get offended at me. Try to get him blocked from Wikipedia for expressing such a thing about Trump. His opinion is the mainstream RS opinion. Editors are allowed to have their own personal opinions, as long as they are not advocacy of fringe opinions or creep into article content. I've been here since 2003, so you might want to back off and think twice about the wisdom of attacking other editors who might know a bit more about what is allowed and not allowed here. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 04:58, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where I attacked you. The only thing I "accused" you of was being biased, which we all are in some ways. I never said or even implied that you should be blocked from Wikipedia. I continue to believe your conduct in that move request was inappropriate. I'm  not sure how to express that in a more civil way than I did, and yet it was removed. I genuinely don't know how I should handle that situation; I certainly thought ANI would be a bit extreme so I just made a comment instead.   WP scatter  t/c 13:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

As you admit, you accused me of being biased, but since all of us are biased, that's a personal attack. Don't cast stones when you live in a glass house. You discussed me, and not the topic. You questioned my motives, and that is the type of personal attack that directly violates AGF. You implied that editors must not express their own POV, and that holding such POV makes them unsuited to edit certain topics. If we applied your reasoning to all editors, such as Jimmy Wales, who said Trump was a lunatic (and you conveniently didn't mention it was Wales, not me, who said that), we'd only have a bunch of hypocrites here who hid their own POV.

It's actually a good thing that people are honest here. I welcome scrutiny of my edits. If you see my own personal POV creep into an edit, rather than me just documenting the POV of the source, then feel free to contact me and I'll happily work toward a better solution. I am far from perfect, as my user page makes clear. I discuss this there. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 14:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Fine, I understand now how I flouted AGF and I apologize. I still don't understand how "Donald Trump is a lunatic"&mdash;inarguably a polemical statement, however true it may be&mdash;belongs on a user page, regardless of who said it.
 * I don't believe holding certain POVs makes one unsuited to edit topics, but it's not unheard of to block editors from editing certain topics if their bias does appear to affect their conduct. I do believe that you inadvertently misconstrued several arguments during the discussion due to your bias, which is ultimately why I felt the need to comment. I certainly never planned on arguing that you should be blocked in any capacity, but thought it pertinent that others in the discussion were aware. I should have left a note on your talk page instead and I shouldn't have questioned your motives rather than your actions. Again, I apologize.  WP scatter  t/c 16:05, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I totally accept your apology. I don't think you're acting in bad faith, just a bit misguided. That's all. Comments on an article talk page can poison the well against another editor, and that's not nice, so we need to be careful. Again, I'm not perfect in this regard. I have made exactly that mistake, so I'm speaking from experience.
 * As far as "misconstrued several arguments", I have already explained that I did not do that. I read Melanie's comments and understood them, but I didn't buy her reasoning as a legitimate justification for still using "veracity" in the title.
 * When a word that means one thing is often used in situations to describe the opposite, I understand how that works. I understand perfectly what she means. But here, a title stands alone. The word implies he's truthful, but the title should mean the opposite because it stands alone. We can't be using the fact that "veracity" is often used in situations to cast doubt on someone's veracity as a justification for using it in the title.
 * We can't expect readers to perform that form of mental gymnastics. They won't. They'll read the words as an implication that Trump's statements are generally veracious, but the article clearly documents how rarely they are. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 16:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Sock cleanup
Thanks for catching 3-Amino-1-propanol. It's a many-years-long LTA. DMacks (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

The Middleton Family editor
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You're not wrong in a general sense, but we know this user (who has an account but usually avoids using it because of past berations) from a long way back. She appears to be an elderly Australian nun who has problems with using the input device(s) she has access to, and has reached a low ceiling with understanding the technicalities of Wiki-coding etc. and spotting entry and coding errors in citations and the like.

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I hope you're enjoying being involved in Wikipedia. I've been at it for around 20 years now, so there must be something about it that keeps the likes of us around! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.177.243 (talk) 07:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I certainly wasn't trying to be mean about it or anything. Thanks for letting me know.  WP scatter  t/c 14:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Drafts
Hey, you had said you were interested in polishing the Foy draft?

Submitter came on #-en-help and wanted to know if there was any particular cause for delay. Just thought I'd nudge you. DS (talk) 19:04, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Just got a little busy and it slipped through. Thanks for the poke, I'll make a point to get to it next week if at all possible. Apologies!  WP scatter  t/c 19:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey! Wondering if this draft was submitted for re-review? Nicolas Vincent La Traverse (talk) 16:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom in Category:Organ transplantation in fiction
I appreciate that your revert of my edit was a judgment call, and that you recognized my edit as being in good faith. However, I disagree with the logic of your revert reason. The replacement of Link's arm is not a minor game element, but is highly visible throughout the game as his Ultrahand ability, a power that originally belonged to Rauru, and is only usable by Link because his arm was replaced. The new arm itself also very noticeably has different complexion and nails like those of Rauru. And the arm replacement can be considered a hand transplantation, which can occur above or below the elbow, and whose article itself is categorized under Category:Organ transplantation. Even though the hand (or the arm) are not one organ, they are a series of organs and tissues being transplanted together. Then, in the game's ending, a more powerful use of the Recall ability restores Link's original arm from before he lost it, again reminding the player that, for the entire game, Link had been using what had originally been someone else's arm. None of this seems particularly minor or non-notable, especially compared to the inclusion criteria in other fiction-related categories like Category:Video games about impact events. I ask you reconsider your reversion. - Gilgamesh (talk) 05:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * First of all (as you know) I'm not the arbiter of Tears of the Kingdom and I'm not sure why you chose to post this on my talk page rather than the article's. It seems like the discussion might be a lot more productive there so other editors may offer their opinions as well.
 * Anyway, fair point about an arm transplant being a subcategory of organ transplant and I accept that my reasoning on that front was poor. I'm still inclined to come down on the side of the category not being appropriate for the article. Would you not agree that "organ transplant" generally refers to a medical procedure? As I recall, Link gets the new arm painlessly and instantly because of some kind of magic. I was WP:ASTONISHed by your edit because the events of the game are so drastically different from what I generally understand an "organ transplant" to be, even though it technically could be called one.
 * That plus the fact that the transplant is barely mentioned beyond the beginning and end of the game lead me to stand by the revert, though again I acknowledge your points about the transplanted arm being a focus throughout the game. I suppose the real question is whether the category refers to common usage (i.e. medical) or to any time a body part is replaced with another, including via various sci-fi or fantasy means. I would lean towards the former, but happy to be proven wrong by consensus.  WP scatter  t/c 06:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I never specifically considered whether to go to the article's talk page or to your talk page&mdash;in the end the only thought that occurred to me was to go to your talk page, but you have a point that it's better to seek a wider consensus about this. In hindsight, I may have been subconsciously intimidated by the prospect of having an open debate concerning the article for a popular video game, as that can have a tendency of bringing fan drama out of the woodwork.  You were already an editor that gave a reason for your revert, which already better satisfies the interests of intelligent discussion than so many random user edits of uncertain and sometimes questionable wisdom.  Perhaps I was reluctant to make this a larger issue than it already was.
 * And I never automatically assumed that an organ transplant refers exclusively to a formal medical procedure, and focused more on the need and the solution: Link's arm was wounded and he lost it.  He needed a new arm.  A new arm was given to him.  Link had the use of an arm to replace what he lost.  It seemed to fit the basic non-technical description of an organ transplant.  And since Link awoke already having the new arm, there's no reason to presume there was no sci-fi or magical equivalent of a medical procedure.  Rauru was a Zonai in command of both his own light-elemental magic and advanced Zonai technology.  Since the transplantation itself was not seen, it's left to the player's imagination what exactly was involved.  In areas like this, it's not always easy to judge what kind of assumption can objectively be considered more broad or more narrow, so I...use my best judgment.
 * As with Category:Impact events in fiction, I vaguely recall a previous Wikipedia discussion I was involved in, about whether the category should be limited to realistic bolide impact scenarios, or whether it can include sci-fi and supernatural impact events such as colony drops (like the hijacking and deliberate deorbiting of massive space colonies as weapons of mass destruction in the Gundam and Mega Man X series), and Lovecraftian entities (like the long-lived alien planet-devourer Lavos in the Chrono series who impacted with that story's world 65 million years before present, killing off its dinosaurs, and gradually devouring the planet from within), and straight-up magical meteors (like the Meteor spell involved in the climax of the plot of Final Fantasy VII). I argued for a broader inclusion, and that was eventually accepted such that I don't remember the discussion resurfacing.  It's possible that experience made me a little more (unilaterally) WP:BOLD about the applicability of Category:Organ transplantation in fiction. - Gilgamesh (talk) 10:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Mixkit draft
Hi,

Thanks for reviewing the draft for me. I've posted a question in the article help discussion but also reaching out to you. I'm always open to learning from others, so would appreciate a bit more feedback please.

I was extremely careful to not word the article like an advertorial but maybe my idea of factual is different than yours. Please would you let me know which parts you think sound like an advert and I will remove or change them. I reviewed other stock footage library articles that were approved and structured in a similar way with similar style prose and references.

Having re-read the first paragraph, I agree with you on the references and will spend the weekend fixing those up.

Any help or guidance for further improvements to the article would be appreciated.

I'm creating the article so that the stock footage library list page can be fixed. At the moment that has an advisory on it that it needs work as it is too US centric, so adding an Australian based library would be useful. To add Mixkit to that page, it needs its own article.

Thanks in advance for your help, Amanda MandaQoP (talk) 21:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pinging me here, I wouldn't have seen the help desk post otherwise. I responded over there.  WP scatter  t/c 23:14, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you MandaQoP (talk) 23:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move discussion
There is currently a Request Move discussion about William IV. Since you participated in the previous move discussion involving William IV, I thought you might want to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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