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Whitefish Point Light and Tawas Point State Park and Peninsula Point Light
Dear Wpwatchdog, Welcome to Wikipedia. Nice addition to the former. The latter could probably use your help, and you seem to have some idea on the resources. Happy editing. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

Good job
Nice work on creating Whitefish Point Bird Observatory. Some suggestions:
 * Integrate the quotes into existing sentences. Most of the quotes you've added don't require the block form.
 * Cite your sources completely using the correct format (see WP:CITE; e.g., if you cite a web site, use WP:Cite web).
 * Try to keep article encyclopedic. Don't need to quote people so often, just cite them.

Also, you've got 101 edits. Keep going and you'll be up to novice status quick! --Eustress (talk) 02:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Whitefish Point Bird Observatory
Eustress, thank you for the pointers. Please check out the revision of Whitefish Point Bird Observatory. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 16:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I added an infobox on the page, which you can work to fill in. This article is really coming along. I think you should keep an eye on getting it to WP:GA status. Here are a few more pointers (I'll keep giving advice as long as it's welcomed):


 * Citations should always directly follow punctuation marks--no spaces in between (I fixed this on the article).
 * When a citation is used more than once, then you should incorporate WP:REFNAME.
 * A good template article for you to follow in expanding this one might be Yellowstone National Park.
 * Usually a section needs to have at least two to three sentences in order to be able to stand on its own.
 * convert should be used when referring to U.S. measurements (e.g., ft., in.) in order to accommodate our non-U.S. readers.


 * I'm pulling a lot of this policy stuff from memory, but you can learn all about it at WP:STYLE. Keep up the good work! --Eustress (talk) 17:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * And THANK YOU for creating the article. Best regards and happy editing.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC) Stan

Like a good fly fishing guide
Eustress, you are like a good fly fishing guide. Thank you for speeding up my learning curve. I like the infobox you added. I added information and attempted to make the corrections you suggested on the Whitefish Point Bird Observatory article. I wasn't able to figure out how to make web citations WP:REFNAME. Also I wasn't sure if I should use WPBO throughout the article instead of typing it out each time. Please do continue giving advice as your time permits. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 21:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. REFNAME is a bit tricky, so I updated a few of your refs with it incorporated (see citation #2, how instead of being repeated multiple times in the Ref section, it now reflects how many times it is cited in the text; this prevents citation inflation and ensures Wikipedia is transparent in that viewers can see if information comes more from one source or another). You can update the others--the shortcut name can be whatever you want.


 * More things to do:
 * Picture captions only terminate with a period if a complete sentence
 * In section headings, only the first letter is capitalized unless it is a proper noun (so "WPBO History" --> "WPBO history"; etc.)
 * When a page is also known by an acronym, be sure it has a redirect page listed (I went ahead and created one for this page--just run a search for WPMO!)
 * When you get all the content you would like to have in the article, you will need to modify the introductory section (called a lead) per WP:LEAD. Also, you don't need inline citations in the lead unless there is controversial material (see WP:LEADCITE)
 * The list under Owl research may be better presented in prose, especially since there is no lead-in to it. Review WP:LISTS
 * Be sure your sub-section headings are parallel in naming convention and pertain to the overarching section; e.g., "Owl research" is not parallel with "Songbirds" (perhaps review WP:HEAD)


 * Cheers! --Eustress (talk) 22:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I completed the above "things to do" but I don't know what to do with the redirect page. The redirect page you created is for WPMO but the acronym is actually WPBO.  If I search for WPBO, I get redirected to WOSU-TV.  I don't know enough yet to edit someone else's redirects so I will appreciate your suggestions.  Thank you for your continued help.  --Wpwatchdog (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Those acronyms sure are pretty similar (or I've been staring at a computer screen too long). [lol] I fixed the correct redirect to now embody a disambiguation page, and I requested the old one be deleted per WP:Speedy delete. Check it out!


 * I'll do a quick WP:copy edit run-through of your article. If you feel it meets the WP:Good article criteria, then you should nominate it. (There are instructions on WP:GA on how to do it.) If the article doesn't pass this time, you'll at least get some great feedback on how to improve it. Good luck! --Eustress (talk) 01:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You edited the "Diurnal raptor census" section to change the "hawk dune" to 66 ft north of Lake Superior instead of above Lake Superior. The word north would place the hawk dune in Canada.  The word above refers to above Lake Superior's water level.  Should we change the line to "66 ft above Lake Superior's water level"?


 * This artice will eventually be scutinized by Michigan birders so I hope to imporve it as much as possible. I will try to nominate it for WP:GA once the corrections are finalized.  Thank you. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 14:43, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarifications. You will obviously know more about the WPBO (and birding, in general) than me, but it's good we catch these issues now. Yeah, "above" was a bit ambiguous regarding the water level, so your suggestion seems good (considering the source doesn't specify). Regarding geographical location, I'll compromise and just put the county it's located in. This is more personal preference, so if you still don't like it, then make what change you see best fit. --Eustress (talk) 03:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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You've made incredible progress over the past few months, having even promoted your own GAN. As far as I'm concerned, you're now "graduated" from the Adopt-a-User program! Drop me a note whenever you need a hand or want to say hi, and I hope you'll look for ways to serve the Wikipedia community and help other newcomers. Also, you're close to your first service award, which you may proudly claim if you so choose when you have 200 edits. (Check your edit count here.}

Best wishes --Eustress (talk) 00:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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Shelldrake, Michigan nominated for DYK
Hi. I've nominated Shelldrake, Michigan, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, Ntsimp (talk) 03:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Shelldrake, Michigan
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Thought you might like this template (Template:User WikiProject Michigan) better than the one you currently have on your page. Either way, hope things are well. --Eustress (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Nathan F. Cobb
Apparently, the editor who nominated this page for GA status had no interest in improving it. Would you like to take over the effort? If not, I'll have to fail the article because the 7 days waiting period has passed and that would be a shame. The article is interesting, but just not there yet. If you take it, I'd be happy to give you 3-5 additional days (and a barnstar if you manage to get it promoted). - Mgm|(talk) 09:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, unable to help on this one. Neither Miramar nor Plimsoll Ship Data have anything on the vessel. Mjroots (talk) 22:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 22:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Mgm Sorry, I have been somewhat swamped with school and have been unable to put any time into this article lately... I no doubt want to help make this a good article.--Sammyknoxg (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello MacGyverMagic, I just finished some heavy editing on the Nathan F Cobb article. I haven't located the source yet to make the last two corrections that you suggested. I don't think citations are needed in the Infobox as the same citation is used in the body of the article. I left them there for now.--Wpwatchdog (talk) 15:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, citing facts in the text rather than the infobox whenever possible is the preferred action. I'll give the article a look; let me know when you've more changes. - Mgm|(talk) 12:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey Wpwatchdog, glad you enjoyed the article... collecting the information about it has turned me into, I guess you would say pseudo shipwreck buff, it was very enjoyable. Anyways, information about this vessel is very rare for some reason. Before I say anything else, I understand wikipedia is collective and I am enough of a big boy not to be insulted by the article being changed around. After all, the end game of this is for people like me who wanted to know something about the vessel's history, to have easy access to it.

I began this article after spending many vacations at my friends beach house and always wondering about the shipwreck sign outside his house. The book Merchant Sail Vol. V, an obscure book I found in auxiliary storage at UF's Smathers Library is where I found definitive information about the ship's statistics and year build. Before I found this book, I was basing the size and tonnage on estimations from eye-witnesses at the time of the wreck. However, in the lead paragraph, before 275 ships were listed (Cobb included), the author William Armstrong Fairburn states how it is to be regretted that desired data about many vessels built in Rockland, Maine between 1837 and 1920 has not been preserved. While Fairburn's six volume series documenting ships from the aforementioned era, might not be "the end all be all," I'd say it is close to it. I would like to find more information about the vessel and feel a sense that most of the fragmented information about the ship has been put together, but data is sparse.

Also, I am somewhat new to wikipedia, and don't really know what the "industry standards" are, but is it wrong for me to cite a book like Merchant Sail, being that your run of the mill editor/wikipedian will no doubt have a whirlwind of a time verifying it? Thanks for the editing help and the thoughtful content headers, I will work on addressing the remaining oversights.Sammyknoxg (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah info sure is hard to come by. Thanks for looking though! In regard to this being a good article status, I think it should be taken into account that this was essentially started with almost zero information and the original sources were provided to me by the Volusia County Government Beach Services upon request and before this page, there was no easily accessible data about the ship. I hope at some point I can feel a sense of finalization about this topic.  Thanks for your help!Sammyknoxg (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey Wpwatchdog, I just found a new source for the Nathan F Cobb article from the Annual Report of the Operations of the United States Life-Saving Services for the Fiscal Year Ending June 30, 1897, which clears some things up about the rescue efforts. It also clarifies that the first rescue boat was carried down on a man drawn wagon and the second one was "carried down," I guess by hand. It also includes that Hiram Shaw was the District 7 Superintendent and had dispatched to the Jupiter Inlet Life Saving Station to send a life saving beach apparatus via train. I think this source really helps the article. Also, I found another source that may or may not be helpful and is not included in the article. It is a NY Times archived article from June 20, 1892 and chronicles a disturbance between crew members ending with charges against the captain and one mate, from a mate beating another with a belaying pin (wow!). The article states they were in route from Mobile, AL to New York. It may be irrelevant though, since it presumably wasn't the only route it took. If you get a chance, could you look over it for any errors and edits you think should be made. Thanks! Sammyknoxg (talk) 22:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea! I will hopefully get that done tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion.Sammyknoxg (talk) 23:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey WP, I finished up with some of the suggestions you had. If you could take a look at it and see if it looks good to you, that would be appreciated.  Also, I am not sure if the block quote I provided is accurately attributed according to wiki standards. Thanks for your help! Sammyknoxg (talk) 13:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

[[SS Superior City]]
I've moved the article to more accurately fit the naming convention for steamship articles. Nice article by the way. You might be interested in another source to expand the article. Miramar Ship Index, The entry is here (have to do it this way to link to search result page). Mjroots (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Does the autobiography Joseph B. MacInnis meet the criteria for speedy deletion? If so, would it be considered promotional? --Wpwatchdog (talk) 11:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether Gildir is the subject of the article. Did you mean "the biography Joseph B. MacInnis"?
 * In which case WP:BIO presents the basic inclusion criteria in WP:BASIC (subsection of bio). "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." The article in question does cite various sources, therefore i would propose deletion or nominate for deletion but not start a speedy deletion process. Also, you can take this issue up with the primary contributor, Gildir, or discuss it on the article's talk page. Cheers, benzband  ( talk ) 12:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * To answer your question on my talk page, Wpwatchdog, I have no relationship with MacInnis whatsoever. Joseph B. MacInnis is one of a long series of articles I have been writing on aquanauts and people connected to underwater diving. Gildir (talk) 14:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for letting me know. He is definitely notable in the underwater diving world.--Wpwatchdog (talk) 13:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Downbound


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Linsey Alexander
Wpwatchdog, I've put a speedy tag on this article, since it doesn't have any RS or indication of why the subject is notable. Just FYI. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 17:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please hold off the deletion. As you can see, there are many RS and this is a notable Chicago blues musician.  I will return in a few days to complete the article.--Wpwatchdog (talk) 01:57, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I don't think there's much chance anyone is going to delete it anytime in the near future! ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 06:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Elcor, Minnesota
Hello, Wpwatchdog! I figured my edit of SS Edmund Fitzgerald would probably be deleted since I knew it wasn't directly relevant to the article, but I figured it couldn't hurt since it details something unique about that particular memorial. And while I have not edited the page Split Rock Lighthouse, it can be cited (here's a link: http://www.exploreminnesota.com/events/15938/edmund-fitzgerald-memorial-beacon-lighting). Anyway, in looking at your user page, I found that you have an interest in ghost towns and have worked to promote several pages to good article and feature article status. I have been working several years laboriously on the article Elcor, Minnesota and currently have it nominated for GA review. Comments from Peer Review have indicated that this article is appropriate for direct nomination to GA status, and FA status in the future. Would you take a look, start the review, and help the promotion? I would really like to start expanding some other pages (Manganese, Minnesota and Withrow, Minnesota are next on my list). Thanks! DrGregMN (talk) 20:48, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, DrGregMN. You sure put lots of work into the Elcor article.  I see that you did the vast majority of work on it.  I don't have the time right now to work on the article but I did submit a request for copy editing  that is sometimes painful but always helpful.  Good luck with the process.Wpwatchdog (talk) 16:07, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * This copy-edit is done. Let me know if you have any questions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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