User talk:Wrestlinglover/Archive 2

Summersville, Kentucky
I don't know what the purpose of the article is. What's the purpose of Louisville, Kentucky? I just wrote the article because the community is notable and because I've been trying to reduce the number of US community articles with post offices but without articles (see here) Nyttend (talk) 12:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been trying to increase the number of well-sourced smalltown articles, such as Summersville. Look at articles in Category:Unincorporated communities in West Virginia or Category:Unincorporated communities in Iowa, and plenty of the ones you'll find are quite similar to Summersville: just giving the location, the ZIP Code, and a couple of other basic but easy-to-source things.  Do you have a picture that could be added to the article?  It would be quite welcome.  Nyttend (talk) 04:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Reply
I like the second one. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 22:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lockdown (2008)
Sure. Give me a while, and I'll get to you with feedback. Do you want me to post it here or at it's talkpage? ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll leave it at Talk:Lockdown (2008) then. That way, other users might give you a hand if they see it. :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to be a help. I do tend to be the same. I much prefer to work on expanding articles (especially PPVs) on my own. I don't mind helping people out when they ask though. Everyone helping each other makes improving article quality much easier. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at Backlash (2006) as an example. By the way, I should explain. I'm going to reviewing Lockdown section by section, i.e. first the lead, then the background, and so on. I've already done the lead. It's mainly just grammar issues, and wording. Easy enough to solve. I don't think the article is that far away from GA. With my suggestions, if you strike them through (using at the start of a sentence and ) at the end of the sentence, it'll make it easier to see which you have done. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Much, though you missed one, which is why I suggested the striking. :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I did it for you! ;) Anyway, I'm logging off now, but I'll do the Event and Aftermath section when I'm on later! See ya, ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't woory about it. Everyone makes mistakes. You just hope that they're caught before you nominate it for GA! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 19:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's no problem. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 22:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, I'm sorry about all the interruptions. Real life is catching up with me... Anyway, I'll definetly get it finished tonight. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 22:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 22:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I'll re-read it and leave more notes on the talk page if there's anything else that needs to be done. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 22:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll say you will. It's not far off like you said. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 23:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm finished the final read-through. Massive improvement on what it was. Just a couple of things that I missed and minor grammar issues. have fun! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 23:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 00:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It is looking much better. I'm done with the copyediting. The last piece of advice I can give is that if a whole sentence is cited by a reliable source (TNA, WrestleView, SLAM), it doesn't also need to be sourced by an unreliable source (Online World of Wrestling, PWWEW, PWTorch). Unless of course, the second source cites something the other ref doesn't or is the only source available for that particular fact. Nikki 311  02:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I should have worded that better. It is not that it is "unreliable", but that it just hasn't been "proven reliable". I think the article has a shot at GA. As long as you are willing to answer whatever concerns the reviewer brings up. Nikki  311  02:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Impact!
Would you like to help me change articles to the correct spelling. I've changed most of them I just kinda need someone to read over them and make sure i got them all. 1362talk 17:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks. 1362talk 18:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Golden Dreams Match
Hi I agree with you about the golden dreams match, I don't know what i was thinking that night I was probably just bored and wanted something to do lol! Looking at it now its just a basic Pole match! Sorry about that and if theres anything projects you want help with im here! On a better note would it be ok if i put u on my friends list?? Adster95 (talk) 11:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Could use your help.
I was just looking at Sabin's and Shelley's articles. If you have time later, could you prune out the non-notable moves. There's a ridiculous amount of moves on both pages and they both also list a massive amount of tag team moves. I haven't watched TNA long enough to really know what's signature and what's "Every once in a while." Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmph. I'd say just list it as a no-contest and mention that the status of the belt is unknown. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, cool. But try to prune some anyway, the lists are way too long even if they use all of them every match, IMO. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Victory Road
Yeah I saw it online. Russorific!!!-- Unquestionable Truth -- 03:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do. And isn't the title supposed to change hands on DQ finishes? Again, Russorific!-- Unquestionable Truth -- 03:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw it via ustream feed. The undercard matches were ok and the X cup was great. The main event bombed though IMO. The match was pretty stale and the finish killed it. In conclusion, keep on eye on the TNA World Heavyweight Championship article. Just when we thought it was over... -- Unquestionable Truth -- 03:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's what was most Russorific though about the finish. Joe looked badass then is laid out, Sting ended up with heat for taking out Joe, Booker had face sympathy and then steals the title. It was so damn confusing, and that's not the best way to leave your paying customers.-- Unquestionable Truth -- 03:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say it was solid 7. -- Unquestionable Truth -- 04:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the X Cup and Full Metal Mayhem matches really contributed to that 7.-- Unquestionable Truth -- 04:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You saw that? Haha. Well book away! I heard Dixie's listening more to fans now.-- Unquestionable Truth -- 04:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the happy birthday Will; I really appreciate it. I'm probably going to be off on my wikibreak for a little while longer, but I figured that I should check my messages at the two week minimum I gave iMatt. TTYL,  The Hybrid   05:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Closing Peer review
Go to Peer review, and they list the steps there under the heading "How to remove a request". Just scroll down and you'll find it! ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, good. I just say your message on Talk:Lockdown (2008) about trying to figure out how to close it, so I thought I'd give you a hand. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was no problem! ;) Oh, I know what you mean. When I was nominating Jeff Hardy for GA, I got so sick of looking at the article for mistakes, 'cause I practically knew it off by heart. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, 5? Wow, no wonder you're planning to take a break after you've finished the five. I barely work on one at a time! I kind of aimlessly wander around a load of articles, fixing them up, but I don't devote a whole lot of energy to just one, let alone five. I was burned out after the Hardy article, just the stress, etc, so I see where you're coming from. Little advice? Cool it down. You'll stress yourself out and then implode. And that's not good. You could change some of those articles on the PPV page to just "Up for grabs", and then if no-one else takes 'em one, do them up when you have the chance. Less stress that way. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh ouch, that sucks. And I always moan that my school finishes at the start of June and begins at the start of September.... ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 11:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, that sucks... ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 22:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, you're going back to school to get a date? Can't you date one of them without going back to school? That's crazy. I can't imagine being home-schooled though, I think I'd die of boredom. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 23:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense. Ouch, Harvard? Ambitious aren't you? Even I know that's Harvard's really hard to get into. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 00:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't doubt it. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 00:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you will. I know the feeling though, I want to study medicine at Trinity College, Dublin, and to do it I need six A's at Higher level. Walk in the park I hope... ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 00:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck!! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 01:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 01:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Welcome back
I'm sure it is possible. Would you like me to try and convert it? – L A  X  00:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

3RR
I will not report you to admins but you are violating the 3-revert rule and may be blocked for revert war. Please explain why you are ignoring my explanation? Never mind. You may be right. `'Míkka>t 01:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked for a period of 24 hours for engaging in a move war on Matt Sydal. To contest this block place below. Tiptoety talk 03:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Fine the hippocrasy. I see why so many IPs vandalize now. Why good editors leave because they were just trying to help but get crap for no reason. All I wanted to do is my part here but I get blocked for trying to do the right thing. Am I suppose to just let it stay when other users do the samething as I did and don't get blocked. I just wanted to help and I never get any thanks. I just get more crap after more crap for helping. Why should I help the pedia when it treats me like crap? I did nothig wrong. But I get blocked with never a warning while the other guy got warnings to quit when I had just started to try to restore order.-- Will C  08:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Wrestlinglover, first off let me start be acknowledging your frustration and all of your positive contributions to the project, and I hope you will continue to contribute once your block has expired. Now, in regards to the block let me say this: You have been blocked for edit warring not for violating 3RR and as such you need not make more than three reverts in a twenty four hour period to be blocked, but instead simply disrupt an article by continually undoing/reverting (in this case moving) the actions of another (or multiple) users, and after reviewing the page history it is clear that was what was happening, though it may have not been your intention, and I acknowledge that. In regards to never getting a warning before being blocked, please look at the section directly above this where a user clearly warned you that continuing to edit war would result in a block, and not more than an hour after that you moved to article again. Also judging by your long history of contributions I think you know what is right and wrong without needing a warning. Third, who is right and who is wrong? I do not know, and that is not for me to determine when issuing a block, I mean both parties feel they are right (that’s what makes it an edit war) and until there is a clear consensus both of you need to take it to the talk page because you have no more consensus to revert his actions as he does yours. In the future try steps towards dispute resolution. I hope this clears a few things up, Tiptoety  talk 18:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This doesn't seem consistent Edit warring is disruptive but I also moved the page back to Matt Sydal for the same reasons Will did, though I received no block. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The discussion above this isn't about Matt Sydal. It is about Category:Sacrifice. The user above was deleting it and created a different one without going through the process of a user vote on a rename. He was also removing a speedy deletion tab. It was technically vandalism. I even told him to quit because there was no reason to delete the Sacrifice Category. But now I see that I can be held for any reason and not the relevant one just to make sure some people don't seem like they are abusing their power. Also why should I help the project since that is what I was trying to do was help since there has been many moves recently that had no consensus that Gavyn informed the WP:PW project of. I thought to help out instead of standing by and watching. Also if you go to the other guys page and look, you'll see that I was trying to get him to quit as well. If you notice the bottom of my User Page the other guy was just about to quit because he asked me how to open a new section to rename Matt Sydal at WP:PW.-- Will C  19:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * First off I'm going to do what is right. Me and 2 other editors knew what was right. You probably haven't even looked into the situation. I've been on wikiedpia since TNA's February ppv Against All Odds. I've never tried to cause trouble. You can ask mainly anyone around here that I'm for the expansion. And right now I don't give a crap who is a administrator because to me the only good administrators on wikipedia are LAX and Nikki311. All I try to do is restore order. Like I did. I told the guy to stop and he continued. I'm not a admin. I can't block someone. But for doing what was right I get this crap, and I don't care if you think you know what is right because you don't work on professional wrestling articles. Because I know right now that all admins have friends on here that did the same crap I did and you will not block them. So right now you all are hypocrites. As the guy above said I've been here along enough that I should know what is right and what is wrong. Well if I said that what I was doing is right then doesn't that put me in the right when I got no warning for Matt Sydal, the above discussion above this one is about a totally different subject so just to make sure someone doesn't look bad for not reading up then they are going to fined a excuse no matter what. What is the point of even trying to help when you're going to get shit in the end for trying. A guy who has never vandalized on here once. Gets treated like shit. For all I do this is the thanks I get.

Re: Sarcasm
Oh, jesus Will. Edit warring on Matt Sydal? What the hell does that mean? What d'you do? Hey, if you're bitter about this (which seems very likely), avoid the Matt Sydal page like the plague. Keep out of any edit warring going on there. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That does sound stupid. Did the other guy get blocked? Listen, I know you're seriously pissed about this, (it's kinda radiating off everything that you're writing) but I want you to seriously take my earlier advice, and stay away from the move-war going on over at the Sydal article. Having been blocked already, any further reverts you make could be seen as you trying to make a point. It's quote strange actually, I've seen Tiptoey around the place, and (s)he always seemed the type that would be careful with blocks, etc. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I underestimated the anger... Yea, I know what you mean, but and you're gonna hate this you are going to have to get over this. If you keep complaining about it, you're going to start pissing other people off. What you need right now is a punchbag. I seriously hope you have one at home. If not tie a pillow to your light. (Seriously this works!) Then put on the most angry song you have and just punch the hell out of it. It's an awesonme stress reliever! And it comes in useful if you're ever mugged :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, that is some serious stress. No wonder you're pissed off, the tension was probably angering you already. (Remember, deep, cleansing, happy breaths!) Have you figured out that you're trying to do too much yet? ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, anger management anyone? To be honest, if I ever did get blocked, I'd react a hell of a lot worse than you have. I can't count the amount of times I've lost my temper already over wikipedia, like people being stupid, and ignoring warnings or ignoring my comments or whatever. You managed to be civil, I wouldn't. That's why I have a punch bag set up in my garage. I'm the type of person where my rag tends to be sporadic but seriously, seriously explosive. I almost got suspended from school for punching a guy who was pissing me off... Don't mess with me, I'm a bad-ass (as one of my mates put it) ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Tell your friends from me that your second nickname is just so original that's sarcasm LOL. Yea, I've got a reputation as a bad ass in school, 'cause my boyfriend rides a motorbike and is always wearing a leather jacket and shades. He even wears a bandana sometimes. He looks like a bad-ass, so when I'm with him, people just assume I'm one too. Funny thing is that I'm the one with the temper, and he's the most chill person on the planet. He's never mad ot annoyed, it's incredibley relaxing. Yea, if I do get ever blocked, I guarantee it'll get extended for me completely losing it with whoever blocked me... I've never been to any doctors about, 'cepy mt local one, and he just said that it's and I quote "part of growing up. Worst reason for going psycho every now and again ever. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I'll respond via e-mail. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't image you being quiet. You write so much I imagine you being really really loud. Did you send me one a few hours ago too? 'cause I just got and replied to that one. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea. Ok, I'm moving this conversation to e-mail now! ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 02:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. Wrll then, I apologise for scaring you again, and this'll me last message of the night via the 'pedia. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 02:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

request
How do I make a request at WP:PW?--HabsMTL (talk)

Categories
It is not desirable to have those categories in there, so please comment them out.

Also you do not have total say on your userpage. I am determining how much you may have, but it is not absolute. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

BTW, from User page WhisperToMe (talk) 03:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Note: "Your" in this context means associated with you, not belonging to you."
 * "What may I not have on my user page?"
 * "13. Categories and templates intended for other usage, in particular those for articles and guidelines"
 * "Do not put your userpage or subpages, including work-in-progress articles, into categories used by Wikipedia articles (example: Category:1990 births)."

It seems like now there are no categories that are associated with the page. You could ask him for more details about what is the issue, or you could also ask him to make his own test page... something like that :) WhisperToMe (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Slammiversary 08
Wow. It was so lucky you said that, I was just about to click the "edit" button to get started. No problem. Less work for me!! YAY! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 04:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Don't worry about, like I said, less work for me is always a good thing in my books. :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 04:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

IPs
Have you noticed an increased amount of IP addresses come in and remove the reigns that have recently been disputed by that one user? I have reason to believe there may be some proxying going on here. The user could be going on a forum and asking people there to change information for him. I've seen it happen before. -- Unquestionable Truth -- 06:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Time will tell. So did you happen to catch the GAB by any chance? I missed it (went to go see The Dark Knight - awesome movie btw)-- Unquestionable Truth -- 10:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That bad eh? Well I don't know. I'll get around to watching it on youtube or something tomorrow. -- Unquestionable Truth -- 10:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hard Justice
I think "in Booker T's hometown" is redundant, being that the word before "in" was Booker T. "The former" and "the latter" are generally accepted in English. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 02:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose it's a matter of opinion. I think the first one sounds awkward, XD. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say yes. I have quite a lot of wrestling articles on my watchlist, and I have seen you revert vandalism "the old fashioned way." I trust you to use rollback in good faith, and not vandalize. Therefore, I am granting you rollback rights. – L A  X  04:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I still believe you are entitled to the rights. You have already been blocked and you know what you did wrong. I'm sure you will learn from that and be more wise in the future. – L A  X  05:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

WhispertoMe
Can we do something about this WhisperToMe guy who's very rude and removing stuff from pages without any tact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.146.155.67 (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Feedback for List of current champions in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
I understand your rationale for wanting to improve List of current champions in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. However, I don't think it has a chance. For one, it is too short (only around 5 bytes) and is only sourced by primary sources. If you are wanting to compare it to List of current champions in World Wrestling Entertainment, it passed a long time ago when the requirements weren't as strict and only exists as the title article in a Featured Topic, which is not the case for the TNA championships. Nikki 311  23:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you removed from feedback requests, if I were you I would have it peer reviewed to get a better review. Do you want me to help you with the list? Because I am a skilled FL writer.-- S R X  01:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

GAB
I was only fixing someones formatting, I didn't add any new information. Mwutz (talk) 02:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ummm, has there ever been a case of an edit appearing in your user history that you didn't make... because I just checked mine and I did not write that... the only thing I did was add a "<" on one of the references that someone messed up. I didn't even order the ppv, so I wouldn't know.Mwutz (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure that's what has happened. Sorry for that. Mwutz (talk) 03:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

COTW
Hey, just wanted to let you know that I removed your nomination for TNA at the COTW. Only 10 nominations are allowed at a time, and yours made 11. Wait until one is pruned, and then you can renominate it. Thanks, ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 04:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's very rare that noms get a lot of votes now, not matter what they are. Interest in the COTW kinda ebbs and flows (ie goes up and down) a lot. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 04:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, you know that once you nominate Lockdown for GA, the probability is that you're going to have wait about a month for it to be reviewed, right? WP:GAN is constantly backlogged. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 04:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not touched much? Dude, are sure you have the right page on your watchlist? It shoukd be WP:GAN, it's always pooing up on my watchlist. Also, Lockdown won't be failed. It might be put on hold, where you're given a week to sort out problems or whatever, and then the reviewers checks that everything is ok. Then they pass it (or if you get the problems sorted before the week is up they'll pass it then). Lockdown'll most likely be put on hold if the reviewers wants something clarified or something, and then passed. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 04:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, WP:GA, won't have many edits to it. It the nomination page (WP:GAN) that's constantly being edited, as people nomintae/review/pass/fail articles. I'd say it will pass. Just be prepared to be patient. The waiting's the annoying part. When I nominated Jeff Hardy, it was about 6 weeks 'til it got reviewed. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like a screenshot to me. Definelty not the users own work, in my opinion. Take it to LAX or Nikki. Get their opinion. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a new there already, taken by someone else, but it's pretty blurry. Hopefully Matt got a good shot of it. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know, it's nasty. And I thought they couldn't get worse than that f*cking spinner belt... ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree actually. I was pissed tonight when WWE gave the Divas championship (shitty as it is) to McCool over Natalya. They decide not to give the belt to the 3rd generation wrestler (emphasis on the wrestler), but instead to the eye-candy who doesn't have any concept of ring-psychology, and misses every single one of her dropkicks by about a foot. Stupid. And Victoria been reduced to jobbing too. *really slow clapping* Clever WWE. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I've seen Awesome Kong. That's a good way of putting it!! No, Natalya hasn't really impressed me much on SD, it's her old stuff from Stampede and even a little from FCW that impressed me. I found some videos on youtube ages ago, and she was so good. Yea, I saw McCool winning once the championship was announced, but I was hoping that they'd see sense. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It probably is, but that's what I expect from WWE in the women's division now. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 10:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

You know it's interesting that you said that about Helms. Me and my cousin were talking last night about when he's going to move. We reckon it's only a matter of time since his girlfriend's there. I love Helms. He's such a good wrestler, and so entertaining. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 10:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, he would. D'you think WWE would care if Helms left? It's not like they give a damn about their cruisers is it? ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea. I know what you mean. I take it that "Super Eric" has a superhero gimmick? LOL. It's really annoying (and/or sad depending on how you look at it) that WWE has gone so ad. They were awesome back in the attitude era, especially 98-00, and now they're so stupid they don't understand that wrestling fans (i.e. not people under the age of 8) don't like Cena or Boretitsa and that we want to see wrestling instead of Khali "squeezing someone's head". It sucks. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see you get a job at TNA. It'd be intereesting to see how Vince responds to proper competiton, 'cause from everything I've heard he doesn't regard TNA as competition, since Impact gets lower ratings than ECW. Ok, I'll look up some TNA stuff on youtube later, and let ya know what I think. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not many. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will. I'll talk to ya later. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 09:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, yea we do. I don't even have a myspace. And I'd rather shoot myself than have one. Anyway, catch ya later. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 09:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it seems so pointless and dumb. At least with wikipedia we're trying to accomplish something. I know some people who waste their lives trying to boost their friend number or whatever on myspace. It seems so pointless. Granted it can be useful, and people have fun with it, but not me. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 09:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, thats reasonable. I know so many people who are addicted to it, that I've just refused to get one, 'cause I tend to have an addictive personality, so if I ever got one I'd waste my life on it. Best to be safe. Anyway, we've got to stop!! Ok, last time I'm saying this today, I swear I'll talk to ya later. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 09:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
I'm sorry if I had screwed up your article, but it makes more sense the way I had it. Anyway I have been watching TNA Impact for the past few weeks and I like it. So if there are any TNA article you would like me to help you on that is cool. Cheers.- Cimmo (talk) 5:03, 21 July (UTC)

Well do you want me to help you with any of those articles in your sandbox with you?. Cheers.- Cimmo (talk) 5:32, 21 July (UTC)

They both sound good to me. Cheers.- Cimmo (talk) 5:32, 21 July (UTC)

What is the World X Cup. Cheers.- Cimmo (talk) 2:22, 22 July (UTC)

I wasn't thinking of that, but I was thinking of a pay-per-view. Do you have a pay-per-view in mind. Cheers.- Cimmo (talk) 2:28, 22 July (UTC)

RE: Hi
Hey, whaddup. I see you're a member of the pro wrestling Wikiproject. That's cool. Used to be active in it. T he  C hronic  02:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Currently we are only doing it for the FA's, but this will soon be adopted as the new way of writing PPVs, and PPVs must be in the new format to become GA's as well, as the GA and FA criteria should be treated the same. -- S R X  03:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it will but try going to prowrestlinghistory.com (or .net [cant remember]..lol) they have buyrates. Try to look over SummerSlam (2003) and SummerSlam (2007), which are written in the new format, but still have work to do to make sure it passes at FAC. You are like the only User from WP:PW who works on TNA articles, because of that I award you with this,


 * Cool. T he   C hronic  16:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it by changing the individual template (DX in this case). Look at the changes I made and do that for the other individual templates. Cheers, – L A  X  23:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. ;) – L A  X  23:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks good. But you shouldn't incorporate things into the article yet, as we don't know if what we are currently doing to our articles is going to work. So just hold off for a minute before adding it ;) S R X  13:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you do add that don't add it to the lead, it should be in a reception section, but don't incorporate it yet, until one of the examples is at FAC. I'll give you an update ;) S R X  19:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will don't worry. S R X  19:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright :) S R X  19:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi-automated Peer Review
Hi WillC, I just saw your notice to AndyZ on his talk page, asking for a semi-automated peer review on Lockdown (2008). Do you want still want one run? If so, please let me know on my talk page and I can run it. Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for letting me know. Good luck with the GA nomination! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

wwe roster
i used the same source that was used for maria's injury.do you want to bet that what i put on the page is not true.because i was at smackdown last night.CMJMEM (talk) 09:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Summerslam
Thanks for taking over with the hullaballoo on the SummerSlam talk page. I was getting a little flustered.  Hazardous   Matt   01:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Look at this.
Yup, speedy deletion for sure. Plus, youtube refs. Not cool. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Victory Road
I think this is more like the situation involving the creation of the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. Even though the match was later called no-contest, Angle was declared the winner of the match and we follow that. Or like when Jarrett won the King of the Mountain match. The win was later negated because of the controversy, but it still counted as a win. The title may have been retured to Joe, but Booker still technically won the match.  TJ   Spyke   15:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Velvet Sky
I'm sorry. My friends uploaded that image without my permission. And he got the picture from Velvet's myspace. DantODB 14:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Re
I'll forgive you. LOL It's no problem, if you need my help with anything else, just give me a yell. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 10:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like someone else got to him. Thanks for the report. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck!! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 10:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to thank you for the confidence vote, but see my reasons on Matts talk page, of why I'm definetly not going for admin any time soon. I forgive you for interrupting our conversation. It's the downside of the 'pedia. No privacy. Anyway, thanks again for the vote of confidence! :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 23:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I always appreciate complimets. Thanks again dude. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 23:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 23:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

In praise of fine work
Hello! I saw your article on Lockdown and I was highly impressed with your work. Please accept this as a token of my admiration and appreciation:

Keep up the fine work! Ecoleetage (talk) 13:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tell you what, I'll GA review it, most likely tomorrow. Cheers, -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 00:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't need to worry about that. Let me tell you this though, it does not qualify for quick-fail, but it will be placed on hold for an undecided period of time after the review. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 00:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really have time to copyedit it right now. I've already read through it several times before, though, so you would be better off with a new set of eyes. Nikki  311  18:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, but can I do that in a few? I'm kinda busy at the moment. – L A  X  19:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I haven't gotten to that yet. I just been real busy as of late. -- L A  X  01:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hey William! I hope you don't mind but I've sent you a e-mail so if you could write me back it would be much appreciated O wait I've not sent one yet but should have in a minute. DH Michaels (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well...I figured that if user's saw me asking you for a signature that a lot of user's would start asking you know kind of bugging you or what ever, So by doing that I though that it could be more low-key, you know what I mean? DH Michaels (talk) 00:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's awesome! I have seen a lot of user's that have custom signature's and I though it would be cool to get one again thanks! DH Michaels (talk) 00:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dude! And wy do you not like HHH? DH  Michaels  00:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know what you mean. I haven't watched the WWE for some time. So are you like a admin or something? DH  Michaels  15:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks man. You could help out by addressing concerns on it's talk page.-- S R X  00:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats cool. I appreciate the help offer. :) S R X  02:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My userpage
Thanks for the revert, I didn't even notice until I went to my watchlist today. --  Darth Mike   ( Talk  • Contribs ) 04:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

RE
Would you mind if I turned you down? My brother's wedding is tomorrow, and I start at a new job on Monday (Honeywell, working on airplane engines if you're curious), so I'm going to be occupied for an indefinite period of time. I'm sorry about this, but I would hate to tell you that I'll do it, and then not get on the computer for a week. TTYL,  The Hybrid   05:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

RE:Copyedit
I am kinda tight right now, I'll try to do it later on. I'm fine, thanks for asking :).-- S R X  16:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
... a million for the barnstar! I'll keep an eye out for you in the future :) — 97198   talk  07:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope I can review a few of the GANs for you! — 97198   talk  11:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Request
Sure. I'll do it now. I'll leave comments/suggestions on the talk page. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 06:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ It's pretty good, it's just a few places don't make much sense, and then a few grammar issues. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the barnstar!! Really appreciate it. Em, I've been ok, I suppose, but my aunt was in a car crash last week, so everything's been a little tense. She was in a coma for a couple of days, so everyone was on edge, but the doctors say she's going to be ok and that there was no lasting damage done so that's good. Also, it means I've had my very very very hyperactive twin cousins aged 6 to stay along with their equally as hyper 4 year brother, who get up at six am every morning to make loads of noise. YAY!! sarcasm Apart from that, life's great! LOL, how about you? Yea, I'm trying to stay away from the PPV articles, 'cause it was changing so much that I didn't have a clue about what was going on. I'm having a go at the cleanup listing, to see if I can't get rid of some of them instead. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 07:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that is weird. I'm glad you're gran's ok. I totally doubt that they're going to tire out, considering its 9am and they're here bugging me for ice-cream. ice-cream. At 9 in the bloody morning!! It's ridiculous. Oh, I doubt the cleanup list is insane isn't it? I'm really good at adding references, so that's the area I'm conentrating on, and I'll let others do the rest of the cleanup. :) LOL, well you gotta steal smart. I expanded a couple of PPV this year, and that drove me out of my mind, so I gave up. I think my head would explode if I had to write one now... I wish you good luck with PPV quest!! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. Hmmm, where to find a padded room? Yea, I know that feeling. Don't go missing for too long though. I like talking to you, and it's nice to know there are other people on the 'pedia who can make sure the vandals don't take over the world. :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. Yea, my editing will be decreasing steadily for the next year, with my Leaving Certificate coming up in June. So, since I need maximum points, from about Christmas, I'll probably only be on about once a week, if even. I'll drop to check messages and stuff, but apart from that I'll be spending all my waking moments studying Maths and English and Irish and French and Biology and Chemistry and Home Ecomonics and Accounting, and I'm tired and stressed just thinking about it!!! ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 03:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I appreciate the confidence boost. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 03:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, that sucks, pure and simple. Why won't they accept your credits? That's a bit stupid. I appreciate you letting me know though. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That really sucks, but at least you can go to a school, ven if its not the one you wanted. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, good luck!! Yes, you'd better get to bed!! NOW!! GO! LOL, nite! And Good luck! ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Perfect=FA, not GA. Dont worry, it'll pass. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The GA review does seem quite long considering Nikki copyedited it, and I went through it. Hmmmm, I'm sure it'll be fine. I might have time later no (no guarantee, I'm seriously pressed for time right now) and if I do, I'll go through it and fix anything that reads weird. You go get sleep. The test is more important than trying to get an article to GA. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know I don't have to, but I will if I can find the time, which is highly unlikely. Anyway, good luck for the test. :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Move request
Don't worry bout it man everybody gets stress. Do you know the link to that article name change page you mentioned. I can't find it. JakeDHS07 21:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How about ,a move where one wrestler has the opponent's legs on his or her shoulders and is facing the first wrestler, while the second wrestler performs a neckbreaker on the opponent. If you want you can explain what a neckbreaker is, but it might make it seem to long, your call. If you feel I could reword it better, just tell me :)-- S R X  17:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hard Justice (2008)
Done. I've only requested protection for 48 hours as there isn't a huge amount of vandalism compared to other articles. If it gets declined, I'll keep an eye on the vandalism, and if it continues, I'll ask again for protection. D.M.N. (talk) 19:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Protected for 48 hours. D.M.N. (talk) 20:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems like this is their review. It's a poor review compared to their previous reports. D.M.N. (talk) 20:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just given the Results table a clean-up as the IP's turned it into a mess. My suggestion to you would be (for the moment until Slam! Sports get up a proper review) to clean-up the background section now that the event has occured, putting references in where necessary. Luckily, the Slam! Sports archive does have reports from the previous weeks Impact episodes, plus full reports from past TNA PPV's. D.M.N. (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. Good luck with it, if you need any further help, ask on my talkpage. D.M.N. (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

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Re:OOU
Honestly, the article goes way into detail and explains too much, and some of that info can be deleted and be stated in less words. I recommend following the formula of SummerSlam (2003), as you see, the lead doesn't state how the wrestlers won, just who won. I recommend you do that. I briefly went through the event section, and the Xscape match is just too long, I recommend you only place the major parts that occurred and not play-by-play.-- S R X  12:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you email me?
My email adress is "zac1194@gmail.com" I would like to talk soon :).208.252.179.23 (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied. 4.252.243.237 (talk) 20:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The first IP adress and this one and the one that's above are all mine I'm on a different computer lol. 4.252.243.237 (talk) 20:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You got mail. 4.252.242.210 (talk) 18:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * More mail. 4.252.244.64 (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is This you?  SteelersFan  94  16:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just looking around your MS page and I saw it and I wondered if it was you. I've only seen a couple of wikipedian's i know and I though it was neat that I saw what one of my friends around here looked like ;).  SteelersFan  94  17:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OYeah if i wasn't straight... (just kidding).  SteelersFan  94  22:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:No Surrender
I'd be happy to write it up sometime tomorrow (I have off from work, yay). Just message me again tomorrow or I'll probably forget, XD. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, one thing. Nothing really happened besides a title match announced with no opponents revealed. There's really nothing to write, come to think of it. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats. I hope it passes. Letters from where? Also, could you peer review Matt Sydal when you get a chance? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, XD! Thanks. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. For the record, I've never seen a single ROH match or even heard of Sydal before he debuted for WWE. I chose this article to work on because it wasn't already bloated by week-by-week and Sydal impressed me. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't sweat it. We all make mistakes. It was a simple copy/paste job to restore it. No problem. Only too me a few minutes. :) Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not really the best person to ask. I actually have no clue what FL criteria even are. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure, if you really think it would help, why not? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Lockdown
Hi. Sorry it wasn't better news. Believe me, I know the feeling of being sick and tired of an article! I'll try and have another go at copyediting it myself as well. I started yesterday, but there's quite a lot of information to absorb. I'll have another look at the refs too. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 07:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also very happy to take a look. — 97198   talk  07:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Did a pretty decent copyedit; just ask if you'd like me to look at anything else that needs a read from someone who is completely unfamiliar with wrestling :) — 97198   talk  10:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks better at a glance. I'll have a proper look tomorrow Sent e-mail back. D.M.N. (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sent back. I'm logging off now, so I'll read it tomorrow. D.M.N. (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Wrestlinglover
Hey, man. Whats been happening.  Save   Us.  Y2J 

Jwein, and SummerSlam 2008
In removing that section he violated 3RR, but he didn't revert after a warning. I have added a 2RR template to his talk page but looking at his contribs he is likely to be on when I am asleep. I have made a 3RR report and placed it here. If he reverts once more (up to 19/08/08 06:39) then change my name to yours, add the fifth revert and paste it in to the 3RR report board. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Jwein didn't return, but for future reference, revert, revert then warn, then revert, report and *ta da* block. Darrenhusted (talk)

As to the question of why I stopped believing in god (any god, including Zeus and Jupiter), I saw Growing Up in the Universe during the 1991 Christmas Royal Institute lectures and the theory of evolution made more sense than anything I had learnt in RE class (although to be clear I still got a C grade in my RE GCSE). At the time of the Lectures I was 14 and I would say that although I had gone to a Catholic primary and secondary school I had never seen the bible as anything other than a series of stories. Age 17 I brought The Selfish Gene and since then have steered away from religion. I also have the advantage that neither of my parents nor any close friends are believers, so there is no one to brainwash me or try to indoctrinate me. Plus if anyone does knock my door looking to convert me I know enough to challenge them and the last three people to try to sell me god ended up walking away from me. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "when you die and if God is real I don't want you to suffer", that's called hedging your bets. And Christians (plus Muslims) all do the same thing, which is try to force their belief on to "non-believers". The choice is; believe in what I say or go to hell, or believe in Allah or go to hell, or believe in karma or come back as a dung beetle. I don't believe in Unicorns, I don't believe in Fairies, I don't believe in Zeus or Jupiter or Odin, but no one is preaching to me about the majesty of Atlas or that the Fairies at the bottom of my garden are making rainbows, but I can only see them if I believe. I don't need others to worry about me suffering in an after life which doesn't exist, I would prefer it you worried about me in this life rather than pray to a god for salvation in the next. As for "brainwashing", I have seen the Catholic church up close, blind acceptance of statements written 2000 (or less if you are Mormon) years ago despite all evidence to the contrary certainly looks like brainwashing. There a lot of bible passages which tell you to only believe in god and never question him, sounds like a cult leader to me (just ask Tom Cruise). If you want to discuss then e-mail me, but I stopped believing the day before you were born. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "most atheists, a little stubbourn (sic)", hello sweeping generalization. You are telling me the only reason to believe is because if there is a god then by not believing I'm pissing him off. Will, why do you believe in the god of Adam? Is it because you had no faith, then studied all religions (Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu, Scientology, Judaism) and then chose to believe in the New Testament and Jesus as the saviour of the Jewish people 2000 years ago? Or is it because your parents are Christian and so since the day you could walk and talk they have told you bible stories? The statement If I believe in God and he isn't real, then nothings happens is believing in god simply out of fear, and you are right to be fearful he killed a couple of million people in the bible (the Devil only has ten kills to his name). I have no problem with born again Christians as they are making a choice, but if you have only ever been told about god then why would you challenge it (and by challenge I mean cross over in to heresy, not ask a priest if there is a god). You are right that it is pointless to try and change my mind because I know the bible (I even have a book of Mormon and Dianetics) and that alone will never convince me. Even god himself would not convince me, and I would not try to make you stop believing, particularly as this is not best down over Wiki talk pages, but if you have only ever been Christian it is worth asking yourself how this came about, and what you family and friends would think if you didn't believe. If the only reason you believe is your family and friends then you may want to think about getting a different religion, because religious choice should always be freely made and not out of habit or fear. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Will, if you want to continue this by e-mail feel free to e-mail me (although bare in mind I am on BST). I don't want to stray too far in to not a social network. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)