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Please Remove: 03 January 2012
If you are going to remove my add on to the college football overtime rules then please remove the 2 sentences above my post the describe the safety the results in a loss of 75 yards because whoever wrote that is a fucking idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.234.115 (talk • contribs) 13:54, January 3, 2012‎
 * I don't know anything about sports, but I'll take a look at it. Please read WP:CIVIL. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


 * While I was trying to figure this out, other editors apparently removed the assertions which so upset you. I'm not going to take any further action on this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Afd
Hi, did you mean to delete Matthew 6 sans any discussion? The Afd was on Articles for deletion/Ostensible not Matthew 6. Ostensible still exists. Was that a typo? History2007 (talk) 05:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Thanks for rubbing my nose in it. It should be fixed now.
 * I must have navigated to Ostensible, been redirected to Matthew 6 without noticing that, and deleted the page. Dumb. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. I did not mean to sound harsh on it, sorry. History2007 (talk) 08:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean to imply that. I'm genuinely grateful. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Boracay
Hi Wtmitchell,

Greetings!

Hi Editors,

There is a bit of a problem in one of the entries about the history of the island of Boracay.

The old folks Sofia and Lamberto did develop the island through cultivation but as far as the members of the family are concerned including those settlers close to them, they did not "clear" the island. The source is still the same primary source which is the article itself published in The Sunday Times Magazine in 1987.

The "clearing" happened decades after, particularly in the late 1980s after electricity reached the island and some of the heirs of the islanders and the settlers began selling their lots to outsiders.

Since I was the one who contributed some of the family journals and accounts to Wikipedia I was told to rectify this error.

Thank you.

Aicykiss (talk) 08:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC) Aicykiss


 * From the info above, I'm not sure what to do, I'm in Romblon at the moment and traveling back to Boracay tomorrow. When my travel situation stabilizes, I'll take a look at this. Cheers. 203.84.185.242 (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've done some rewriting in the History section and added some cites. I'm not really happy with it as it stands now, but don't have time to spend on it right now. Other editors will probably improve on these changes. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hugo Chavez isn't a dictator. When we look at the sources, we can clearly see their propaganda meanings. I will not change status of Hugo Chavez,you're talking about here probably relates to the initial paragraph of WP:V but i can find sources that claims dictatorship of [[Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Those are all propagandas. Dictatorship doesn't mean "enemies of The United States." -- Avatar9n (talk) 20:57, 12-02-2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I recall looking at something related to this during a huggle session, but I don't recall the details and don't see mention of it in my contributions or in the edit history of the Chavez article. I'm guessing that my side of whatever sparked this probably relates to WP:VNT and WP:DUE. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dear Wtmitchell,

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Rude anon.
Do you have any suggestions for how to deal with this user? He is clearly someone with whom I have tangled before, judging by his comments, though I have no particular recollection of him. My guess is that he will return, given his attitude. Any thoughts? ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 04:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wish I could help, but nothing useful comes to mind. Sorry. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Sure you meant this?
Hi Bill. According to this log you got into bit of a race condition with another admin and drastically reduced the block length for an IP. Could it be an accident? Favonian (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. I changed the block time back to one year. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! This is an election year, so I guess we don't want to seen as "soft on vandalism" . Favonian (talk) 22:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Lightening Rod page
Remove the section "Analysis & Evaluations" on the Lightning Rod page, as you know it is completely biased and completely incoherent. UL isn't even "effing" unbiased as it collected for profit money to "certify" LPS that it also sets the standards for.

Do not threaten me either, but claiming I am "vandalizing" the the page or being "unconstructive" simply because I am calling out the obvious bias of this section of the article and attempting to describe in simple facts the differences between the two approaches to providing LPS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.96.5.90 (talk • contribs) 05:59, February 22, 2012‎


 * This apparently relates to this reversion which I made during a WP:Huggle session, I think. I had reverted because of section blanking too hastily -- before seeing that an edit summary with an explanation had been provided. here, I attempted to undo that huggle edit from within huggle a few seconds later. I presumed that huggle had done the undo, and continued on looking at other articles. Looking at the diffs now, I see that huggle said that my edit had been undone without actually undoing it. The problem seems to have been fixed by other editors, so I'm not taking any further action on it.


 * I looked at User talk:70.96.5.90, intending to remove relevant warnings and saw two warnings there from me and one later warning from another editor. I looked at the diff for that later warned-about edit, and I agree that the warned-about edit was improper. I've left the talk page unedited. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

my b
my bad
 * Apparently in response to this revert. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Just to clarify, my comment on Sockpuppet investigations/Mors3953 was aimed at Mors3953, not you. :) WilliamH (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Mount Kitanglad
You may be interested in my recent posts at Talk:Mount Kitanglad. They are more or less in response to a concern you had about a year ago with the article. Also, there are some related posts at Talk:Mount Dulang-dulang. I haven't nailed down the problem yet. If you have any more information that would clear this up, that would be great. Thank you.--Racerx11 (talk) 20:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I have responded on the article talk page. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the response and I will keep your suggestions in mind. Please keep in mind for my sake that I have spent several hours delving extremely deep into this issue. I must have read through over a dozen external articles alone in the process. It is entirely possible that I have not quite reeled myself back up and out of that mindset enough to engage in a coherant conversation on the topic. If my reply at the talk page seems bazaar or disjointed or anything like that, then this is probably the reason and I apologize for that. Particularly since I had asked you to talk to me about it.--Racerx11 (talk) 03:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I know the feeling. More comment on the article talk page. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Please take a moment to review my proposed changes at Talk:Mount Kitanglad and feel free to comment or suggest improvements. Thank you.--Racerx11 (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your suggested version, I will probably use a variation or our two later tonight when I go live with the edits, then we can resume normal editing practices. I have one question: Would you mind if I refactor your latest comment at Talk:Mount Kitanglad by placing it into the section 'Proposed changes to this article', just for ease of editing and readability in any future discussions?--Racerx11 (talk) 21:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to inform you that I have made the live edits at the two articles Mount Kitanglad (actually used your draft which was an improvement on mine) and also at Mount Dulang-dulang (may need a once over or a re-wording in the note as I wrote it out rather quickly). Feel free to make any further edits. You have been extremely helpful in the discussions over the past several days, far more so than I would have expected from any editor on a matter such as this. Your input, invaluable!--Racerx11 (talk) 03:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You are all sticklers
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Hi Bill, I've started a new discussion about updating our introductory sentence in light of a recent dictionary source. It can be found here. Your input would be much appreciated.--Cúchullain t/ c 21:36, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've commented on the article's talk page. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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thanks for fixing that. the paragraph about prostitution and the booking photo have been delted/undeleted at least 3 or 4 times in the recent past. Decora (talk) 13:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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What failed verification? I searched the PDF (nb:old link is now working, while new link is 401) and although the PDF does not have the same table, I was able to confirm some of the measurements with text search (try: "room 712", "Gidroelektromontazh"). --hydrox (talk) 23:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't recall the specifics of the tag placement, but I've just rechecked. The http://dodreports.com/pdf/ada335076.pdf web page which I tagged fv is now a Registration required page for me. The URL cited has been changed to http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA335076&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf since I placed the tag. That page loads very slowly for me and I haven't tried to verify the info in the table there. Based on your info that some of the info in the table can be verified there, I've removed the tag.


 * FYI, neither http://dodreports.com/pdf/ada335076.pdf nor http://dodreports.com/ ever complete loading for me. I get a popup registration form on both those URLs, but neither web page ever completes loading. I'm located in the Philippines and have noticed that it is not uncommon for me to be unable to access some US Govt web pages. I'm guessing that these US Govt web pages have access from outside the US blocked, either generally or selectively. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I also get 401 authorization required (a standard HTTP error message) on http://dodreports.com/ . This opens a popup window asking user to provide credentials in most browsers. I am accessing from Finland. I think it might be just a server misconfiguration error. Mind you I changed the URL of the document to http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA335076 . --hydrox (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for your contributions in Jessica Sanchez article as you did with these edits and. I have since replaced the duplicate web reference you provided with an existing named reference link as seen on this edit. I look forward to working with you and learning from you as well. - SyncSeth (talk) 06:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


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Hey, did you mean to do this? The comment you removed was restored, I don't see any indication of anything wrong with that comment either. Just an FYI. Best, - Wikidemon (talk) 23:35, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, you stated already in November 2010 the problem with external links. Just look at the section "Presidency" which contains many external links. It gives a miserable impression to the outside-Filipino readership (which Wikipedia certainly has). Sincerely yours, 49.145.85.9 (talk) 08:35, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Just give you an impression:

"On March 14, 2011, Aquino signed Executive Order No. 29, authorizing the Civil Aeronautics Board and the Philippine Air Panels to "pursue more aggressively" the International Civil Aviation Liberalization Policy.

On March 14, 2011, Aquino also signed Executive Order No. 30, transferring the Land Registration Authority (LRA) from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) to the Department of Justice (DOJ).

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On August 4, 2011, Aquino left the country unannounced to hold unprecedented talks with Murad Ebrahim, chair of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), in Tokyo, Japan.[115]"


 * That is not really nice to read. And it is unique in Wikipedia. I wouldn't be proud of that distinction. 49.145.85.9 (talk) 08:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, see the lead sentence of WP:EL: "Wikipedia articles may include links to web pages outside Wikipedia (external links), but they should not normally be used in the body of an article. ...". Those aren't links added by me, of course; it takes quite a while for new editors to discover, read, and start following Policies and guidelines; some never do. Perhaps I'll take a look at doing some cleanup for the Benigno Aquino III article, though. For a real mess, look at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "but they should not normally be used in the body of an article". It should not be normally used in the body of the article at it is clearly stated in the policy. That is the crux. That is what some users here don't (want to) understand. Perhaps those external links can be changed to reference notes. But anyway, at least we agree on one point that that article should be really cleaned up especially when it comes to the Philippine president. 49.145.85.9 (talk) 03:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT. I understand and agree with the guideline and I didn't put the inline links there. I would fix it (and still might if I have the time and the innclination to spend it on that), but I have other things to do. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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you edit your opion since you are a yank. I put mine from observation. They murder out of gungho and glory for a medal and then lied to get out of their frack up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.16.140 (talk • contribs) 16:29, June 4, 2012‎

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I place out of observation, you try and change out "USA' never fucks up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.16.140 (talk • contribs) 16:33, June 4, 2012‎

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I place out of observation, you try and change out "USA' never fucks up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.16.140 (talk • contribs) 16:33, June 4, 2012‎

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Thank you for your attention to the Philippines–United States relations article. Please see wp:Tea. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 06:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * AFAICT, this was in reaction to this edit. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:14, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are willing to take responsibility for verifying the sources, it's a good edit. The anon frequently misquotes sources.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 07:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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The PIA source was published on 26 April. Our 25 April edition. It's a direct copy paste. CMD (talk) 11:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:RS says, "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or with no editorial oversight." Are you asserting that the Philippine Information Agency (an official organ of the RP government) has a poor reputation for checking the facts, or has no editorial oversight?


 * The PIA article to which you object does appear to contain some info copied from Wikipedia. That information seems to have been inserted in the WP article, then without support, in this 17 April edit. It occurs to me that the PIA may have picked that information up from WP for their 26 April article and fact-checked it prior to publication. The information in which the PIA article is cited in support is, as I understand it, "To the east, the 5,000 - 6,000 meter deep Manila Trench separates the shoal from Philippine Archipelago." I looked at the Manila Trench article, and see that it says, "The Manila Trench is an oceanic trench in the South China Sea, located west of the islands of Luzon and Mindoro in the Philippines. The trench reaches a depth of about 5,400 metres (17,700 ft)", citing this source in support. That source cited there says, "The depth of Manila Trench is around 4.8–4.9 km and reaches the deepest point of 5.4 km." That cited source also contains maps which would support an assertion that that the Manila Trench is located between Scarborough Shoal and the Philippine Archipelago. Personally, I would consider the PIA source as reliable on this topic, but the source cited in the Manila Trench article also appears reliable and also appears to support the asserted information. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what's up with the Philippine Information Agency, but this specific incident isn't just taking information, someone clearly went, taking from wikipedia for that page. It's remarkably blatant. The PIA article was used to source the entire geography section (see this edition) prior to a new source splitting it. It was due to the insertion of this new source that I double checked the PIA source. Obviously it'd be great for other sources to be used, but there's no way we could consider using a source that not only directly copied two entire sections from an article (Geography + Activities in the surrounding area), but also did that while removing two citation needed tags. CMD (talk) 22:27, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * PIA has a feedback/complaint link on their home page. I sent them a personal complaint about apparent blatant plagiarism. I'll post an update here about feedback received. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Hi,

Sorry, I reverted all of you edits to this article as part of reverting an apparent vandal who edited before you. Can't revert just his edits. Would you mind restoring yours? — kwami (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. I've unreverted some other stuff as well. Please discuss on the article talk page if needful. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

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Unfortunately, the non-Dickens uses were completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic of Coverture. In any case, Dickens seems to have greatly popularized the expression... AnonMoos (talk) 01:55, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't argue with that. I see that your edit changed the prior claim of "originates" to "was popularized by", so that's OK. Your edit, however, removed the supporting cite I had supplied. Per WP:V, all quotations require citation of a supporting source. I've added the supporting cite back in, mentioning only the pages which refer to Dickens. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Zamboanga Peninsula regional center issue
Hi there! In my most recent edit in the Philippines article, I referred to a new section that I made in Zamboanga Peninsula, specifically on the issue of its regional center. I looked around for sources and references in order to clarify the issue.

While you cited that the RDC chose Zamboanga City as the new RC in March 2011, this is merely an endorsement and is not immediately executory and is pending unless declared by the President through an Executive Order. My most recent source (August 15, 2011) tells that the National Economic and Development Authority does not consider Zamboanga City as the RC but rather the commercial and industrial center.

In my edit summary here, I stated that ''Legally, Pagadian is still RC as per EO 429 (upheld in MC75 s. 2004). MC11 s. 2010 only stopped the transfer of reg. offices. RDC endorsement still pending. NEDA says ZamboCity not the RC'' to which I referred to in this edit summary to take a look at the new section I made, citing the space constraints in the ES field should I need to elaborate further.

In this case, Pagadian City still retains its status as RC as of today. Xeltran (talk) 08:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info, for the cited sources, and for the clarifying addition to the article (especially the working links to the sources; just the mention of EO429 would have confused me, as I would have confused that with EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 429, May 23, 2005). Cheers, Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:43, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem! Happy editing! :) Xeltran (talk) 07:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * No, and thanks for fixing it. I was in a WP:Huggle session and didn't see that happen there. It might have been some sort of an urecognized edit conflict, or perhaps just a simple screwup on my part. Thanks again for the fix. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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In your edit, you added " ", which doesn't link to existing named refs in the article ... do you have the full ref available? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * Mitch, have you read the link (http://66.29.194.78/nation/06/20/12/deal-12-fighter-jets-signed-soon-dnd) I provided? FYI, it was release the day after the cited source was given, in it you will find that the DND had clearly "said the contract for the 12 fighter jets that government plans to purchase could be signed this year". So technically, whoever adds the entry into PAF had violated WP:SYN because no aircraft type or model was mentioned and that no contract was signed, yet. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I see that you've re-removed the material. Based on the info you've pointed out above (which I did miss noticing when I glanced at the source while running through my watchlist), I won't contest that. Note, though, that WP:SYN relates specifically to combining material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:54, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Apologies if I had implied that you had made that mistake but on the contrary, a couple of IP & registered editors had committed that cardinal sin (on KAI T-50) before moving on to PAF, where you reverted me. Their violation of WP:SYN there was very apparent. Hope this clear things up. Best and cheers. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 01:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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You're going to need to clearly explain your objection to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family?diff=503231236. I restored a few words while adding a citation to support them. Why did you revert this? 24.45.42.125 (talk) 05:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I've taken a second look, at my revert and your unrevert, and I see your point. This was an error on my part during a WP:Huggle session, for which I apologize. I'll let your unrevert stand, but will opine that the placement of that material early in the lead paragraph gives it undue weight. I'm not a regular editor of the Focus on the Family article, though, and I think that is best sorted out by consensus of editors with a stronger interest than I in that article's topic. For future reference, please take a look at WP:BRD; an unrevert often leads to an edit war. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm not opposed to moving some of the details a bit lower in the article, but like you, I'd rather let the more regular editors tackle it. I just saw that it was deleted for lack of citations, so I provided the citation. 24.45.42.125 (talk) 07:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding deleted Miguel A. Sanchez-Rey content
To Wtmitchell,

I strongly believe that the content, Miguel A. Sanchez-Rey was deleted erroneously. Content contained citations and links to other sites. Please reconsider as I believe that one of the editors was very ill and must have mistakenly deleted the article. I apologize for any discrepancy or problem it might have caused.

Thank you, Isaacov102

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 * I have restored the deleted article and reverted it to the version prior to your blanking of its page. Please note that it still contains a prod hatnote proposing its deletion due to lack of cited supporting sources. Perhaps this might be useful in identifying needed sources. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

To Wtmichell,

Can you please restore the document again since it's been deleted by Phantomsteve and I only got your message today. I will proceed to make changes with the altered manuscript. Thank you and I apologize...Isaacov102


 * I have restored the article content as of 12:40, July 2, 2012 to User Isaacov102/sandbox. Note that the stated reason for the most recent deletion was "concern was: unsourced BLP". I suggest that you cite supporting sources if you plan to reintroduce this as a mainspace article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 18:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding deleted Wario content
To Wtmitchell, I just saw the notification that someone from our IP number had deleted content on the Wario game character page. It was my 13 year old boy who did this, but since he has autism, we have so far not been able to make him understand why he should not edit content. We encourage him to find information on Wikipedia and try to monitor his activities but as you understand it's impossible to watch him every minute. If you know any way that we could use to block him from editing, but still be able to read, we would be more than happy. In any case, we apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Ivo Soltorp


 * A couple of ways come to mind, depending on your connectivity situation and your preferences.


 * First, I see that you made this edit from IP address 90.231.134.251 -- the edit history from that address can be seen at Special:Contributions/90.231.134.251. If that is the address always assigned to you by your internet provider, I can block edits from that IP address from users who are not logged it. Then, you could create a Wikipedia user account for yourself (it's free, and easy -- see Help:Registration). You could then log in to your user account for editing, being sure to log out when done. Your son would be able to browse without logging in, but would not be able to edit without logging in. If your internet provider sometimes assigns other IP address for you, that wouldn't work. If your internet provider assign the same IP address to others as well as to you, that wouldn't be an appropriate solution.


 * Second, and better in my opinion, you could create two user accounts, one for you and one for your son, and then request me or some other Wikipedia administrator to indefinitely block edits from your son's account. You would probably want to select the "stay logged in" option when logging in to your son's account, and take the trouble to assure that you are logged out of your account and logged in to your son's account when shutting down your computer. When the computer is turned on and connected to Wikipedia, then, it should be logged in to your son's account when it connects.


 * Your son could defeat either of these measures by creating another user account of his own and using that account to edit articles. That is against Wikipedia policy (see WP:SOCK, but the policy isn't usually very strictly enforced except in cases of persistent vandalism or other persistent violations of editing policy.


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Regarding Maragtas (book)
Thank you for editing the section. I only have one objection: the giving of more credit to the American anthropologist Beyer's theory of the existednce of a document called "Margitas", which was also cited by Scott. Many times foreign writers and scholars (including those who came with the early Spanish explorers and conquistadores, often misunderstood or wrongly interpreted the words they heard from natives of the Philippine Islands. It is possible that what the Beyer refered to as "Margitas" was actually the same "Maragtas" that Monteclaro tried to put into writing. Rather than just simply underlining the American Anthropologist's theory as if it is the absolute truth, it might be better to also include a good hermeneutics about the work of the native "Monteclaro" who was writing about what he received from older folks of his province regarding their local history.

Also, it is good to cite, how and where Beyer obtained the data in arriving to such conclusion. "Margitas" is non existent in Ilonngo vocabulary. While "maragtas" is an Ilonggo word for history.--94.83.253.145 (talk) 04:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your feedback, also discussed at Talk:Maragtas (book). My edit was a couple of months ago, and I don't recall the specifics. I'm not an expert on the topic and probably made that edit in passing thinking that the issue was simpler than an expert would think it. If I've made an error or an oversimplification, please feel free to correct that. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:18, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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It's counterproductive and hypocritical to yell at someone for edit warring when you're trading reverts with them on an article. I've tried to compromise, but you have consistently reverted to your version of Jones Law (Philippines).--Prosfilaes (talk) 08:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
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BTW: User talk:Lumcarol is the pages sole author. Jim1138 (talk) 04:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
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Must be a mistake...do not recall viewing that page, let alone editing it...Ty Rich69.171.162.249 (talk) 22:12, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hey, keep up all the good work with Huggle. I am just curious if you know that this happened. '''<span title="Shoot!" style="font-family: Mono; Cursor: crosshair;">-- Cheers, Riley   Huntley ''' 04:37, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


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-Hello, I recently made an edit on the universal declaration of human rights page on wikipedia, i made a minor edit and put "his/her" instead of "his" property, i did this because it could be classed as sexist and patriarchal to simply put His property, because it insinuates that "she" or any female does not have the right to her property. hope i cleared some stuff up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.248.232 (talk • contribs) 20:03, October 29, 2012‎


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Hello. I just picked up a message addressed to me (or at least, an IP address attributed to me) when I accessed this page:

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I followed the link to here:

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I did not edit the page in question at all. I suspect that what has happened is down to my IP address being on dynamic allocation, to avoid problems we have had in the past. So the given IP address had been allocated to someone else at the time.

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Hello, it's me again. I hope this message finds you well. Sorry to request your attention back on this page, but two users have for the past few months been complicitly reverting some or all of the content of my edits, to the point where it's become problematic and discussions just don't help anymore. I can't contribute a single thing without having both users bombard the page with dozens of revisions like so, distorting my edit to the benefit of the church. Discussion regarding these edits starts here.

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If you read what I wrote then you will clearly see that it was nothing but pure fact. Please keep your OPINIONS! to yourself. What I wrote constitutes a legitimate addition to Wikipedia and complys with the spirit of the site and its intended use, period! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorkonaspork (talk • contribs) 12:32, November 17, 2012‎
 * This concerns my revert here. I did not and do not challenge the factualness of the information you inserted. However the opinionated presentation of those facts was inappropriate for article content in Wikipedia's editorial voice. You should opinionate in a blog somewhere, not in a Wikipedia article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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RE:Skyline High School
Hi Mitchell. I would first like to apologize for any inconvenience my edits on the Skyline High School page has caused. However, SC12 is a very important event, especially since this high school was the very first to compete, in a college competition. What follows is a possible redo of my previous edit; please tell me if it needs to be improved to be on the Skyline High School page. Thanks.

Skyline garnered much attention in November of 2012 for being the first high school in the world to participate in SC’s Student Cluster Competition, in the LittleFe Track. They took home an honorable mention for "coming out of nowhere and taking a significant lead." They competed against other universities, including the University of Utah and Slippery Rock University from Pennsylvania.

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 * Hi. It looks OK to me. My revert of your edit looks to have been done too quickly -- I did it while patrolling for vandals using WP:Huggle, and it looks like I clicked to revert your edit without digging into relevant background (WP articles about high schools in the U.S. are prime vandalism targets for U.S. high school students). Your wikilinking SC in your revised version helped a lot. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


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Not a view
Battery farming is bad animal rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.189.200 (talk • contribs) 12:30, November 18, 2012‎
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"List of United States Treaties" article
Header Header Header Question from a new user about your added content to the "list of United States Treaties" article. It looks like you added considerable content on July 15th, but I don't see it. I'm a little lost in the process, trying to figure out where your contribution went and whether or not I can add more. Can you advise?

Thank you for all of your contributions!

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Hi Wtmitchell. I've removed the "Unconventional manifesto" section from this page as it's a direct copyright violation of the party's website; please don't put it back again in the same form. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 ‍ 水  08:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
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Did you read the edit summaries ? The text was removed because it was SPS. TheSmuttyProfessor (talk) 10:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
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"To know how" is a legitimate infinitive, just like "to be of use", "to grant" or "to need". "Knowing how to do things" says the same thing roundabout and breaks the pattern of the paragraph. 37.190.158.177 (talk) 23:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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Revert to Factorial
Thank you for your efforts to fight vandalism. I undid this revert of yours. Looks like things got confused somehow when ClueBot arrived at the same time do do the same revert. Burninthruthesky (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
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You may notice that the Angels in Judaism page is being extensively revised. Students are working on it as a class project, and will present their work on Wednesday. If there is anything outrageous that can't be allowed to "stand" until Wednesday, you can let me know on my talk page rather than deleting the section outright.

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Dubitatio is a figure of speech, and i thought it should be placed on Wikipedia as such. However, thank you for your concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.154.23 (talk • contribs) 07:59, December 12, 2012‎
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Why were my edits in the article Rishabha reverted? You reported vandalism, but I just added references and changed the structure of article a bit. I have re-instated the references. Can you tell what specifically was unconstructive in my edits? Rahuljain2307 (talk) 14:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
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Somehow, you accidentally reverted the shooter's father's name back into the article with your edit here. Just wanted to let you know so that you had a chance to fix it. Regards, Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:00, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


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Talk:Belmont_High_School_(Los_Angeles,_California)#What_happened_in_2009
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has made approximately seven contributions in the last month, all of which involved vandalism/hoaxes. He's been previously warned twice and I just warned him for the third time. Since this is a vandalism/hoax-only account, can we get an indefinite block on this account now? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * You're not convinced such action is warranted? All of his edits consist of vandalism or hoaxes; furthermore, his edit summaries were intentionally deceptive in order to mask the hoaxes as legitimate edits.  Is there a reason he should still be allowed to edit?  This user is not editing in good faith.  Just looking at his latest edits to Syriana, the user claimed in the edit summary that he  "Corrected ending about Woodman's true feelings".  However, the content added by the user was a hoax.  Please note, the addition of hoaxes from this user has not changed in over a month.  If there is an upside to these edits, I would like to know what it is.  He's already had two chances to change and has refused. Viriditas (talk) 11:34, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
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Removal of paragraph from Gun Control
I see you have reverted an edit for a paragraph I had tagged with a "citation needed" flag very recently (summary is : Reverted good faith edits by 99.242.102.243 (talk): See WP:BURDEN. using TW). It looked to me like the edit that first removed the paragraph was actually heavy handed vandalism and I had reverted the deletion to allow the original author or interested party time to provide a proper citation(s) for the information contained in the paragraph. I had reverted the removal of the paragraph as such (from my phone--hence the ip address) but you have now removed the paragraph. I have no problem with what is stated in the paragraph, and it actually fits with what is said earlier in the section (which is a lot more than can be said for some of the POV stuff that is in the article). I would suggest that the paragraph be put back in the article and left until someone adds citations for it, or it becomes "stale." Do you have any problem with that?StopYourBull (talk) 02:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * As I indicated in my edit summary my objection was, and is, that the addition or reintroduction of this material flouts the WP:BURDEN policy point that the burden of evidence that material added or reintroduced to an article is supported by a verifiable reliable source lies with the editor who adds or reintroduces the material. When I removed that material, I hadn't read the paragraph I removed -- I simply noted that material was being added with a citation needed tag attached, recognized that as flouting BURDEN, and removed it.


 * In reaction to your comments above, I read the paragaph in question, and I have some quibbles with its placement and wth its content.


 * The addition of this material is as a third paragraph in a section headed "National Rifle Association Alleges Links to Past Authoritarian Regimes" (a heading which badly flouts section heading capitalization guidelines -- see MOS:HEAD). the initial paragraph in that section seems to address the subtopic described by the heading (though it looks to me like that material could use a rewrite).  Neither the second nor the removed third paragraph seem to address that subtopic. Perhaps the section heading needs a tweak -- perhaps a new section heading needs to be placed above what is now the secnd paragraph of that section.


 * The content of the removed third paragraph seems to be asserting that some insurgencies which led to totalitarian governments used guns. The Taliban and Castro's revolution are given as examples. I imagine that citations supporting that assertion could be found, but I don't see what point relevant to gun control is made by that assertion.


 * If an implication s intended that the guns used by those insurgencies were considered legal by the national governments imperiled by those insurgencies, and that the insurgencies would have been prevented by tighter gun control regulation, I doubt that was the case. Without researching the matter, my guess is that the national governments emperiled by those insurgencies considered the weapons being used by the insurgents and the uses to which the weapons were being put to be illegal.
 * If an implication intended intended that the imposition of tighter gun control regulations against weapons which were already considered illegal would have been a useful measure to bring the insurgencies under control, I doubt that.
 * Whatever the point of the removed paragraph was, it would need to be clarified in the context of gun control.


 * And, the BURDEN policy point needs to be kept in mind.


 * Also, I am presently traveling, and access to internet is spotty. I may nt be abe to engage in much back & forth abut this in the near future. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Yaakov Yitzchak Horowitz
I've made rather bold changes to this article, which you uploaded (not created, as per your statement at talk:Yaakov Yitzchak Horowitz), and I wanted your feedback on the matter.

Thanks,

<span style="font-size:125%; font-family:David, 'Times New Roman'" dir="rtl">הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 03:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'll try to take a look at this and comment here as I get time. However, I am presently traveling;; my internet access is spotty and I have ther demands n my time. Hopefully, I'll be able to lookk at it in the next few days. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Bon voyage!
 * <span style="font-size:125%; font-family:David, 'Times New Roman'" dir="rtl">הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 04:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. I took a quick look at the edit history and see that I created it back in 2009 and haven't edited it since. As I recall, a non-WP-editor convinced me that the subject was notable, emailed me a first-cut unwikified article and some info about supporting sources; I reviewed that and slapped together a first cut at an article. If you have interest in and/or knowledge about the subject, you're ahead of me, and the changes you've made are probably an improvement. Sorry -- I'm in a bit of a non-WP time crunch here. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)