User talk:Wtstoffs/Archive 1

Images
Please do not remove content from your talk page. Blanking any page can be considered a form of vandalism. You may wish to consider archiving old discussions; take a look at the move page if you would like to learn more about moving and renaming articles.

Specifically, your blankingof the image warnings and the image templates from the images themselves without fixing the underlying problems is not considered acceptable. If the source of an image cannot be demonstrated, then the image cannot stay on Wikipedia. BigDT 15:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I re-examined everything and in the case of the five images for which you blanked the warning, but did not provide a source, I have listed them at Images and media for deletion/2006 July 8. Please note that as these images obviously came from a website somewhere and were not scanned, the source actually needs to be the URL that they came from. I have no objections to keeping them if the source can be demonstrated and it can qualify for fair use. Please examine the images and leave a note on the IFD page if you are able to find a source for the images. BigDT 15:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

College Football Project
Hello, I noticed that you have edited a College football related article. You may be interested to know that there is a college football WikiProject which you can join if you like. We would love to have you! I also think you may be interested in creating the Florida Gators football page. Please see some other examples of what this page would contain by looking at the Master Team Table within the project. --MECU ≈ talk 12:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

UF/CU coaches
Thanks for the comment, and sorry for my strong language in the comment. The most important thing is to clearly annotate it in an accurate footnote, as I've tried to do. I tend to think keeping it current through 2006 makes sense for all of them, because that's probably most intuitive, especially as the season's almost over. But I'm fine with leaving it as is for someone else to come along and update when the season's done. Cheers, PhilipR 22:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Urban Meyer.jpeg
Hey Wtstoffs. There is a lively debate about use of promo photos on wikipedia. My name is Jeff and I Do not support the interpretation of WP:FU as implemented by user's like User:Chowbok. They believe that Wikipedia should be free of all promotional photos that are "replaceable with an equivalent" (i.e. an amateur photo from flickr). Their rationale is being debated in many places, and take it a step further believing that all promo photos should be deleted and let someone else deal with finding and uploading a free alternative.


 * WikiProject Fair use
 * Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fair_use specifically this thread
 * Requests for comment/Chowbok
 * Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Chowbok
 * User:Chowbok/Robth%27s_RFU_Explanation
 * Image_Talk:Jennifer Granholm.jpg

And many other places I've no doubt missed.

I and many others who support use of fair use promotional photos have not been successful in changing the actions of Chowbok and rampant deletion and changing of many hundred's of useful images from Wikipedia articles continues. One good example is the Jennifer Granholm article which had a great promo photo replaced by a terrible photo. I seek to raise the profile of this issue through challenging promotional photos on high profile article's like this one. I'm sorry, really I am, but fair use policy as implemented by Chowbok has left me with few viable options.

I invite you to join the battle for Promotional Photo usage on Wikipedia and the protection of Fair Use concepts. --Jeff 07:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't remove the "replaceable fair use" tag from the image. If you disagree with it being marked thusly, leave that tag but also add the Replaceable fair use disputed tag to the image page. Thanks! &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  01:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop removing that tag. It is considered vandalism, and it will get you blocked. Please don't let it come to that. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  02:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Wtstoffs. In one of your reversions, you said that I believe the images is usable, so I shouldn't put the disputed tag on it. Unfortunately, what I believe wikipedia policy is is currently on the losing side of interpretation. So that means the image must go despite what I believe. Through my actions I was trying to raise awareness, so you can help out on the pages I've linked perhaps? --Jeff 02:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I solved the problem with Urban Meyer's image, but I will join your fight against the dark side. :) --WTStoffs 04:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And yet, oddly, you proved the usefulness of the project by your actions. We now have a free image instead of a fair-use one. This is a good thing. See what deletion threats accomplish? &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  04:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, because I happened to have connections with someone who owns a website to my favorite team. Most Wikipedians do not.  And regardless, I prefer the well-lit, frontal promotional shot more than some practice photo.  I just happen to value free time a little more than the photo nazis out there. --WTStoffs 04:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Gee, this seems to have solved things :rolls eyes:.

Copyright problems with Image:Urban Meyer.jpeg
An image that you uploaded, Image:Urban Meyer.jpeg, has been listed at Copyright problems because it is a suspected copyright violation. Please look there if you know that the image is legally usable on Wikipedia (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), and then provide the necessary information there and on its page, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. feydey 04:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC) I have express, written consent of the copyright owner. I will try to get him to post it on his website. --WTStoffs 04:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Knock it off
Seriously. It's just petty and immature. You'll get nobody on your side with behavior like this. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  05:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. BigDT 05:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't
Look at the histories. I didn't remove your frivolous tags from any of my images. Other editors did. Don't falsely accuse people of stuff on top of everything else.&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  05:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? I am only tagging your images as they have no verifiable copyright information.  If you would be so good as to prove you took the images we can remove the tags.  Thanks! --WTStoffs 06:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:POINT. BigDT 06:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and? I have no proof the images uploaded to Wikipedia are from the person doing the uploading.  If Wikipedia wants to be safe, they must allow uninhibited image tagging. --WTStoffs 06:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Explain
Please explain what you are doing with the image tags claiming copyright violation of some football picture on Flickr. -- Samir धर्म 05:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The images tags are still there last I looked. --WTStoffs 06:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * None of these are copyright violations of the image you cite -- Samir धर्म 06:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What exactly are you referring to? --WTStoffs 06:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Blocked
Okay, now you've been blocked for disruption. You've (1) mistagged images deliberately as copyright violations and (2) referred to administrative edits to revert the same as being vandalism. You will cease from any such activity when your block ends -- Samir धर्म 06:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Eu de toilette. I asked for proof that the uploader owned the copyright.  She clearly has no such proof.  Why should I not just claim I took all photos that are tagged?--WTStoffs 07:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you have any proof that I own the copyright to what I am typing right now? No? Then assume the uploader is not lying unless you have a specific reason to doubt the uploader, including a counterexample (as was used on the image you uploaded). This screams of retaliation, especially since the URL you provided as a counterexample is the one used on said image. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So if someone can assume that the uploader is telling the truth, how do my images get tagged? I am not retaliating, just applying the same principles as they have been applied to me.  Perhaps administators on here should judge with an equal hand.  Agreed? --WTStoffs 07:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You were blocked for inappropriate tagging. I asked you why you were tagging images that were not copyright violations of a cited url.  You didn't reply twice and continued in the same fashion.  Your block is perfectly fair.  Please do not disrupt in a similar fashion again, or you will be blocked for longer -- Samir धर्म  07:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Your image was tagged because a counterexample was provided, just like I said should be, and you have not provided proof that you are that Flickr user. It was tagged previously because a non-FU alternative was or should have been available (read up on fair use images here and such; we don't like using them when we need not). When asked for a reason for your tagging spree, though, you provided none whatsoever and just continued on. You were trying to prove a point by being disruptive. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You tagged Image:Mather tower.jpg as being a copyright violation and labelled it as copy of a flicker photo of Chris Leak. That's totally disruptive and it seems you are just trying to make a WP:POINT. Be thankfull I'm not an admin. --Armadillo From Hell GateBridge 08:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Interesting...
I left this message for Tim Casey yesterday here:

"Hi... I see here that you say 'all rights reserved', but this photo was uploaded to Wikipedia and the uploader says you released it under the GNU Free Documentation License here. If this image has truly been released under the GFDL, that means that anyone can copy this image, edit it, and sell it or use for advertising. Can you confirm that you indeed licensed this photo under such terms?"

Today I received this reply:

"no, I have never set my photos to allow anybody I do not list as a friend to use my photos for anything. This isn't the first time this has happened, so I'm probably doing to have to make all of my photos private."

I hadn't marked your photos as copyvios before (you seem to think I did, but it was a different editor), but I will now. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  21:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Tim freelances for GatorCountry. GC's owner said to use any of Tim's photos—though I'm not sure he ever told Tim about it.  I'm contacting the website owner now to see if he can contact Tim, but in the meantime feel free to tag away.  Of course, if you deleted all the images from Flickr, then there would be no way to find another image outside of the "promotional" one... --WTStoffs 01:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't see the current photo GatorCountry's website, only on Tim's flickr space. We allow many Flickr images, but that's because those ones are under a free Creative Commons license; this one isn't. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * GC has a billion galleries, and that includes pay galleries that a normal user cannot access. I was instructed to take ones off the Flickr website since they are easier to link to (and don't use up GC's bandwidth).  If you do look at the free galleries, though, you will see Tim Casey does in fact work for them. --WTStoffs 03:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * By all appearances it looks like it's Casey's own personal space, and not part of his freelance work. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides that, unless the photo was released by the team or person in question, it doesn't really count as promotional... -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The original photo was a media guide photo. Chowbok flagged it as improper use of fair use since there was a non-FU image available.  Of course, now she has flagged the non-FU ones, so the original would be good again.--WTStoffs 03:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Then go back to it. If the RFU tag is added again, dispute it the normal way that's outlined inside the template rather than getting into a revert war over it. Though despite Chowbok's own reverts, according to the template you should be permitted to outright remove the tag unless a proper reasoning is provided on the talk page, which the users failed to do in this case... -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the uploader is only entitled to remove the RFU tag if there was already an assertion of irreplaceability on the image page before the tag was added and if that assertion is not addressed by the tagger. If there is not an explanation of why the image is irreplaceable at the time of tagging, the tagger is not obligated to provide an argument at the talk page, and the uploader cannot remove the tag. Please see the discussions at Template talk:Replaceable fair use which clarify this. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  04:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I misread. Go me. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 04:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I talked to the guy at GC and he said he told Tim to okay the photos after this whole mess... --WTStoffs 22:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Have him change the licenses on the respective Flickr pages. That way there can be no dispute about his intentions. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  22:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Tim Tebow.jpg
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Image:Joakim Noah.jpg
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 * It is listed and has been proven to be public domain, not fair use. WTStoffs 02:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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Meyer Signs Pic
Hey, I'm one of the people who hold up the "Meyer" signs at BHGS. Out of curiosity, where'd you get that pic? It looks like it's from the Tennessee game, but we just hadn't seen that picture before. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carbonite4 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the Tennessee game. Here's a full size of the image on my flicker:  . WTStoffs (talk) 09:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but the image is private. Carbonite4 —Preceding comment was added at 01:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops. I would change it to public, but I think that was not quite the one I used for the Meyer page anyway.  I updated the link to the one I'm pretty sure it was.  It is public. WTStoffs (talk) 04:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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The Florida Gator Barnstar
For your yeoman's work in helping to craft and protect articles pertaining to Gator athletics, you have been awarded the Florida Gator Barnstar. Congratulations! Zeng8r (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Tim Tebow GA Nom
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Jake the Snake
In regards to that situation, there is such as thing known as WP:3RR that stipulates a block for more than three reverts in a 24-hour period. You have surpassed three reverts, and I could block, but I'm not going to. Please just refer to User talk:OaklandAthleticsfan for a "brief" history on the NFLPA.org database. The NFLPlayers.com database and the NFLPA.org (requires NFLPA.org login to view) active player search are two completely separate things; the latter is a small part (just current and future base salaries) of a larger NFLPA database available to the public - the rest includes every modern NFL contract ever signed and is only available to agents. Only players who are currently on teams' rosters are in the NFLPA.org active player search database; again, this database is official, so it trumps any media report otherwise unless it's something that has occurred after the database updated (which is almost daily). When a player is waived, waived with an injury settlement, goes on reserve/retired, etc., he is deleted from this database. In the case of Plummer, Anthony Arline, Cedric Houston (until this past spring when he was reinstated from Reserve/Did Not Report and released), J. J. Milan (likewise, although he wasn't released and later went on IR), among many others, these players are still members of the organization until said team reinstates and releases the player. Like Plummer, Milan and Houston were both on the R/DNR list for upwards of a year, but by way of Pro Football Weekly's excellent transactions tracker (actually the only official one of the internet, and that includes NFL.com), these players were later reinstated and further moved. IIRC, the Bucs made a deal with Plummer that they will maintain his rights (i.e. stay on Reserve/Did Not Report) until his contact expires, then they will release him and he'll go on Reserve/Retired or whatever. So, that is where he will stay, because that is official. Pats 1  T / C 23:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have access to whatever secret database and settlement results you seem to have knowledge of, but every site I can access says Plummer is retired and not on any roster.
 * NFL.com player profile - header lists "All-Time Players"
 * Buccanneers.com official roster does not list him, even under the reserve list
 * The St Pete Times and Denver Post show that the Bucs and Plummer agreed to his retirement settlement and thus they would no longer be able to list him as a no-show in such an instance.
 * NFL Player's Association will not show you Plummer's profile in a player search unless you select the Retired option. If you look up the active roster of the Bucs on that site or any site there is no name between Sabby Piscitelli and JD Runnels.


 * That is five sources--three of them from official league or team webpages--saying he is retired. How is a retired player on the Reserve/DNR list?  The sites had him on the reserve lists in 2007, not 2008.  I won't touch the precious template so as not to violate the 3RR rule, but if you could provide any kind of evidence or screen shot of whatever info you are claiming it would be appreciated. --WTStoffs (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)